so basically he is saying that it does not matter because AMD is doing it, but let Intel do it and he will do a party celebrating how Intel is amazing. This guy is biased and he is paid by intel.

@techquickie

4 жыл бұрын

No one said it didn't matter. It's really really important to listen to the words in the video. As stated in the video, a process node worth of increased density results in roughly double the performance. That sounds pretty important. Intel is a valued partner, but so is AMD and neither of them sponsored this video.

@archismarathe1589

4 жыл бұрын

@@techquickie r/wooooosh

@huleyn135

3 жыл бұрын

@@techquickie Its a joke. Y'all took it too seriously

@ahsanqureshi786

3 жыл бұрын

Nice joke btw, a video that tells the truth is Intel biased, huh? I guess you meant to say that it should have been AMD biased.

@expressfax5420

3 жыл бұрын

@@techquickie yo techquicke if its this you in the video than you really need haircut and shave and which cpu would you buy and what gpu would you pair it with.

Linus is the kid that actually has his presentation prepared.

@dashquack

4 жыл бұрын

his quarantine beard makes him more like a man-child instead of a kid

@monsterhunterdude5448

4 жыл бұрын

But drops it and kicks it on its way down.

@hari14m

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@SmokingCrop

4 жыл бұрын

He doesn't though. He just reads it from the teleprompter on the go. Makes it seem like it because of his years of experience

@Saigonas

4 жыл бұрын

@HorizonSkip wanted to comment that lmao

I like that the ad before this video was an Intel ad saying what's inside matters.

@peepeepoopoo4004

4 жыл бұрын

The lady with the dog?

@thematts0743

4 жыл бұрын

Xue Hia Piao Piao Bei Feng Xiao Xiao yep same!! XD

@fuzzy6622

4 жыл бұрын

Well a kidney inside matters quite a lot. Intel should know about that rather than about money inside wallets though.

@drescherjm

4 жыл бұрын

I did not get that add. But it does say Buy an Intel CPU at the top of the links associated with the video.

@mrtuvok5578

4 жыл бұрын

intel inside

Mentioning carbon nano tubes without Riley around just doesn't feel right.

@illidur

4 жыл бұрын

Anytime somebody mentions them as a future solution my eyes glaze over.

@parthasarathym1882

4 жыл бұрын

Who is Riley

@MaazAltaf

4 жыл бұрын

@@parthasarathym1882 bruh... he's the best thing that happened to LMG. Check out their Techlinked channel. If this was a bait or troll then GGs.

@WMDistraction

4 жыл бұрын

I was waiting for it and it never came. Wanna file a class action lawsuit?

@NeenanJones

4 жыл бұрын

"CARBON NANO TUBEEEEES" Riley Murdock

Intel says node size isnt everything.... I imagine it would be very important if they had 7nm and AMD had only 10nm.

@19AssassinPR93

4 жыл бұрын

They also say benchmarks are out of fashion. Let's rewind a few years...

@KyussTheWalkingWorm

4 жыл бұрын

Node size as a bad measurement has been known throughout the industry for years. It's fine to shit on Intel and all but you could also say that it's TSMC being misleading by labeling performance-equivalent process nodes as "smaller". At the end of the day Intel is behind not because their current top process node has a bigger number attached but because it doesn't fucking work for desktop applications.

@BrumBrumBryn

4 жыл бұрын

If Intel had 7nm and TSMC had 10nm then that would be a CRAZY difference, like more than half, due to how they measure nm differently.

@gorjy9610

4 жыл бұрын

it's always a same story. When Intel CPUs use less power than that's big deal, when they use more than it's what? That's ok and normal. When they are cooler then it's a big deal, when you need $200 cooler to get advertised speed then it's ok, nothing wrong with that. When they have smaller manufacturing process it was OMG, we are so advenced and better and now it's unimportant. And worst of it all - that's what consumers say. I don't care too much about paid advertise like this one, big companies will always find someone who will sell their BS to the masses and Linus have to many mouths to feed to refuse money. But comment section is where I get stomach problems.

@TheDemocrab

4 жыл бұрын

@@fexilsehn6445 Yeah but you can also look throughout history and see Intel is objectively far scummier as a company. Not sure why people say this "AMD isn't your friend" thing, I mean we know that. They're a company lol It's just that Intel is also close to bottom-tier in that regard, I'd trust them about as much as I trust BP or big tobacco. This comment was written on a 3770k, also. I'm no fanboy, just a history buff.

“Smaller one is better”

@senorzed6483

4 жыл бұрын

That's what he said

@ahsanqureshi786

4 жыл бұрын

lmao

@blinkcatmeowmeow8484

4 жыл бұрын

Señor zeD *NOT*

@dcmk4683

4 жыл бұрын

are you trying to say to your pp to not feel bad? smh 🤔

@50H3i1

4 жыл бұрын

""...""

When are we going to start measuring performance by how much RGB we have in the system?

@sock8211

4 жыл бұрын

Soon

@ReyMysterioX

4 жыл бұрын

Soon we'll see companies marketing HDR RGB accessories. Man, the performance boost we'll get from that!!

@Elogamer15

4 жыл бұрын

I already do

@custard131

4 жыл бұрын

i thought that was already how it works for gaming pcs?

@Schimz2832

4 жыл бұрын

Of course! Red means more power. Green for more efficiency. And blue lowest the temperatures.

I've worked on one of the 7nm nodes while it was in development. Fins were 8nm wide, fin pitch was 26nm, diffusion/poly layers were over 20x50nm and if transistors were not in an array they had to skip at least 3-4 fins. I think the only thing at 7nm was some spacing between layers...

@utubekullanicisi

4 жыл бұрын

celeron800 Doesn’t mean they are still meaningful improvements over previous generations though.

@aikonlatigid

2 ай бұрын

Just disassemble ones, put under electon scope, measure the distance, thats all

The whole nm measurement is a hot mess between Samsung, TSMC, and Intel. One will claim 5nm, another 7nm +, and another 10nm etc. As so correctly stated, you just have to go with performance and architecture as ultimately that is what it is all about.

@manaspradhan8041

3 жыл бұрын

you have to keep in mind these are all approximations because the transistor gates arent a thing anymore, and that all of their architectures are different so its unsurprising that their approximation processes are different. we should honestly just ignore them and directly look at ipc and perfomance differences

@Young_Dab

2 жыл бұрын

@@manaspradhan8041 What's ipc?

@disinque6961

2 жыл бұрын

@@Young_Dab i think it is instructions per cycle, but why not just google it when you want to know something?

@Young_Dab

2 жыл бұрын

@@disinque6961 Cause I'm already on the KZread app. And interested in knowing other people's knowledge of something

@mornnb

Жыл бұрын

Well, we need a way to compare process nodes without architecture being a consideration. This is the purpose of the nm number... we need an industry standard for it.

Intel: Don't talk about benchmarks, transistor size doesn't matter, Apple still loves me... I need help!

@646464mario

4 жыл бұрын

Apple just abandoned Intel too lol

@acdbrn2000

4 жыл бұрын

Only one of those is still true, transistor size really doesn't matter to normal people. How fast will it be and how much will I need to spend on cooling/my power supply are far more important. As some system integrators move to using ARM for their devices, the last question of will it actually run all the things I need it to run will also become more and more important too.

@freshturns_snowboarding

4 жыл бұрын

The only thing Intel CPUs are good for is gaming if you have a streaming PC with an AMD chip next to it

@evl619

4 жыл бұрын

​@@acdbrn2000 TSMC has left the chat

@void9092

4 жыл бұрын

Untermensch “intel wins in streaming and gaming” sooooo... have you been under a rock or what? Not only AMD outperforms intel in streaming and workstation applications but its almost as fast as intel 10th gen when it comes to gaming while costing much less.

"Does transistor size matter?" *talks to intel about it* HMMMMM....

@picolete

4 жыл бұрын

"You just need more pluses"

@ZeDarkLord

4 жыл бұрын

*Intel replies in pluses*

@cunnyman

4 жыл бұрын

A shit ton of companies like Apple, AMD Nvidia and other ARM manufacturers use TSMC and none of em advertised 7nm or whatever as inherent as AMD. Also, before the stagnation with 10nm, Intel were the ones dropping transistor size every year or two. It's best to listen to them and TSMC than companies that don't make transistors themselves like AMD or the companies I mentioned earlier.

@ssrini2002

4 жыл бұрын

@Raver XY you reread it. He basically said it's better to trust intel or tsmc rather than amd when amd doesn't make their own chips

@Ori--pw5vw

4 жыл бұрын

@@cunnyman you are right I threw my 3600 ryzen for a core i7

If Intel had 7nm and AMD 10nm they'd be screaming out loud how important it's the fabrication node, as they don't they compare a 90watts gpu to a 65watts GPU and say it's a cpu comparation

@BrumBrumBryn

4 жыл бұрын

No shit they would, that would be a HUGE difference. Intels 10nm is around the same size transistor packages as TSMCs 7nm, imagine if Intel was on 7 and TSMC on 10

@rabbischlomobengoldbergstein

4 жыл бұрын

@@BrumBrumBryn by the time Intel reaches 7nm AMD would be on 4nm+ .

@Flow_Moonlight

4 жыл бұрын

@@BrumBrumBryn Its closer to TSMC's 8nm process.

@GoldSrc_

4 жыл бұрын

Remember when Intel fanboys were shitting on Bulldozer? I know I was one of those. Now, Intel doesn't seem to like a bit of shit on their party lol. I'm now using Ryzen though, it's a cheap 3200g but for my needs is more than enough, and it feels good seeing AMD come back and push Intel this hard.

@phaseloli6668

3 жыл бұрын

Nvidia's node is behind AMD yet Nvida continues to demolish them, I don't think node really matters

"we asked Intel if lower nm matters" Then we asked Chrystler if we should buy a Tesla

@ahmedp800

4 жыл бұрын

LoL

@Leo9ine

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously, how does no one else see the massive conflict of interest in where they got their information?

@EpicWolverine

4 жыл бұрын

Leo did you actually watch the video before you made your accusation?

@modderhoop2058

4 жыл бұрын

Intel not managing the 10nm yet doesnt mean the people there are stupid. It is really impressive how their engineers get such performance from this older architecture.

@tylerdurden3722

4 жыл бұрын

Uhm...Intel is actually more inclined to say nm doesn't matter. Since Intel 10nm is equivalent to TSMC's 7nm (thus AMD's 7nm). In fact, Intel 10nm has slightly higher transistor density. So Intel would be stupid if they said nm is the be all and end all or bragged about it. This is also why AMD is not exactly modest when it comes to marketing their own version of 7nm.

Linus: To learn more about process node size we reached out to intel... Intel: 14NM+++++ MORE PLUSES IS MORE PERFORMANCE GUYS.

@maderi

4 жыл бұрын

its ok bro typical amd fanboy with a 3600 at best

@maderi

4 жыл бұрын

@buffalo wt it is shit cant even beat 8700k which is 3 years old

@_koifishpond

4 жыл бұрын

@@maderi well the Ryzen 5 3600 is ~$170 while the i7-8700k is ~$350. You can't compare those two you smurf

@maderi

4 жыл бұрын

@@_koifishpond yeah is 170 3 years later again mupet

@_koifishpond

4 жыл бұрын

@@maderi You're literally comparing a 3-year-old Mercedes S class to a 2020 Honda civic. That's just stupid

correction at 3:32 increasing surface area of the gate around the channel in FinFET was not to allow more electrons to pass through the channel but to combat short-channel effects and carrier leakage i.e. clamping down on the channel to turn it off when you want the device off. Without FinFET, at these sizes, the field effect would not be able to be controlled by the gate and would be Always-On instead of switching (on/off).

Hmmm the words used exactly match Intel's marketing slides with "real world performance", "applications you actually use"

@ChaimS

4 жыл бұрын

Almost as if he spoke to someone at Intel about this...

@shockwave1789

4 жыл бұрын

ಹ ಹ 😂

@mariusm5187

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChaimS yes but there is a difference between doing research and just regurgitating marketing material

@daa3417

4 жыл бұрын

Chaim S Right, people usually quote marketing materials verbatim after speaking to someone from the company...

@alexkobzin557

4 жыл бұрын

is “real world performance” concept worse than marketing cell size? i actually think that vice versa

Six and a half minutes of damage control.

@gerhardsmith7892

3 жыл бұрын

Of literally the truth, it's amazing how much people get hurt by someone saying something that it is literally a fact

This video feels like intel's last solution because they can't get into 7nm

@rjuez00

4 жыл бұрын

no, Intel's 10nm = 7nm of the rest of the industry. but I think we will never get mainstream 10nm they're way behind schedule

@huyphamuc6372

4 жыл бұрын

"It's always more important to pay attention to the real world performance that you'll see in game an applications that you actually use". Lol, even AMD is winning

@niar69

4 жыл бұрын

@@rjuez00 By the time Intel gets to 10 nm, flying cars are going to be a thing

@LL-dv2vf

4 жыл бұрын

Damage control marketing plan is in full swing.

@SmokingCrop

4 жыл бұрын

This has been a thing for years.. It's not a thing made by Intel.. It was there when AMD was doing shit.

Drinking game: Take a shot everytime Linus says "seven".

@sashankkonathala8627

4 жыл бұрын

That's a lot of shots for 7 min lmao

@TheChipmunk2008

3 жыл бұрын

where am i

@zaidlacksalastname4905

3 жыл бұрын

_dies_

@xornedge8204

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKefyamHm5vYis4.html

Alternate timeline: Intel sponsored this video to explain why its smaller node is EVERYTHING.

Ok but missed opportunity to have Riley come and say carbon nanotubes at the end

@Anton-cv2ti

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@loveiphones4550

4 жыл бұрын

Apple CPU doesn't lie

missed opportunity to have Riley deliver the "CARBON NANOTUBES!!!!" line.

@loveiphones4550

4 жыл бұрын

Apple CPU doesn't lie

Whatever happens we get a FPS boost in gaming and that’s what I need.

I can't stress enough on how important to me this video was on explaining to me the number of nanometers I am always hearing or seeing on looking up a cpu. Thank you so much!

@kensmith5694

4 жыл бұрын

In real life, you can go from the benchmarks instead.

@finlandjourney6065

3 жыл бұрын

@@kensmith5694 which pretty much follows the logic that smaller is better, usually.

Uhm... Could you add TSMC engineer instead of intel?

@pravda9646

4 жыл бұрын

Intel's 10nm is about on par with TSMC's 7nm, even if it's been garbage in practice. Why would it matter?

@void9092

4 жыл бұрын

Pravdax M Cause TSMC has started producing 5nm nodes while intel is still stuck with 14nm++++++++++++++ cpus on the desktop side lol

@pravda9646

4 жыл бұрын

@@void9092 It doesn't matter because this is a video about facts not about if Intel is better than TSMC

@BrumBrumBryn

4 жыл бұрын

@@void9092 "oh shit better add 'on the desktop side' because I know 10nm is already in laptops and can't shit on them that way anymore"

@Pharphuf7nik

4 жыл бұрын

Bruman ah yes. Intel is totally doing fine if you completely ignore the fact that they’re only now getting their 10nm chips in only some products in mid 2020 and TSMC was producing millions and millions of 7nm chips all the way back in 2018

Of course Intel would say it doesn't matter. They can't keep up with AMD and TSMC. 😂🤣😂🤣

@moby1kanob

4 жыл бұрын

it doesnt in gaming...intel still the king and will be

@Jonas_Meyer

4 жыл бұрын

Well Intel say it doesen't matter it is kinda true. Linus even says that real world performance is more important and AMD is destroying Intel there. A part of course if money dosen't matter and your into gaming or some other niche application. Only talking for desktop. Server market is a more complex topic.

@mrtuvok5578

4 жыл бұрын

@Prem Koomr high core count doesn't work without high clock speeds

@mrtuvok5578

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jonas_Meyer 10th gen exist

@eniff2925

4 жыл бұрын

@@jared5941 Very few games utilize 8 or even 6 threads. If they do, you will be GPU bottlenecked. 4 threads is still more than enough in 2020.

Well, if you go and ask Intel if the number of nano meters matter, of course they'll say no.

@sgtmaggi

3 жыл бұрын

All this video said is that the size isnt all that matters. Its exactly what Linus said at the end. And dont put me off as an Intel fanboy to inflate your ego. Im typing this on a Ryzen Laptop

@joshuanorman2

3 жыл бұрын

@@sgtmaggi I'm making a joke fun fact

I really enjoy the deep dives into tech like this!

Gotta love subtle intel promotion with their "real world performance" bull...

3:08 - If we're living in a simulation, then quantum tunneling is a clipping error.

@omster_

4 жыл бұрын

Seems like a pretty serious bug though, devs pls fix

@MichaelCoombes776

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't it more like data disappearing through the noise floor (at the other end of the system's dynamic range)?

@kensmith5694

4 жыл бұрын

No, it is the loss of some LSBs and not a clip at the maximum. The number of bits to describe a particle is fixed. The more that are allocated to storing accurate position the fewer can be used for the velocity. This is why when you multiply the two you get the same number of bits in the result no matter which you favor with more bits.

Back in my day, CPUs had just 5 transistors and that's the way we liked it.

@Iam_Dunn

4 жыл бұрын

SuperAtheist ...5? Holy shit u lucky. We could only afford 1, but it ran like a sumbitch at 1 Gazillion Hz. ....LOL.... :)

@primusloy

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if you'd like your phone cpu to have 5 transistors

@kensmith5694

4 жыл бұрын

Luxury, you had transistors! We would have dreamed of transistors. It is explained here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p5lr2a9pgaabfKg.html

@khhnator

3 жыл бұрын

you had transistors? on my time all we had was a vacuum tube, and took the electricity of 10 homes to make the thing work for 10 minutes before it melted... and that's how we liked it!

This should've been put on "$h!t Manufacturers Say" instead of techquickie edit: this was intended to be a joke, the main point of this video is just "processor architecture (XX nm) are defined differently among manufacturers thus you might not compare the figures or the numbers side by side"

@broomer0

4 жыл бұрын

Why?

@manaspradhan8041

4 жыл бұрын

@@broomer0 because they boast about their manufacturing processes? Though it's usually the media and the fanboys

@grizzly6699

4 жыл бұрын

*Valen* Well said

@n1tr0sys09

4 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't, because this is an ad...

@ahsanqureshi786

4 жыл бұрын

@@n1tr0sys09 shut the f up AMD fanboy

This was amazingly useful, thank you very much for the invaluable info. Much appreciated.

5:30 _"Just remember that the processor node isn't the be all and end all when you're shopping for a CPU anyway"_ Oh and real world performance, but at what cost in efficiency? Check your process node for answers.

@seasesh4073

4 жыл бұрын

CEO of Linus media group is CEO of intel confirmed

@ahsanqureshi786

4 жыл бұрын

Are you CEO of TSMC or something?

@diegofkda199

4 жыл бұрын

Nah. Measure real world efficiency if you want to determine the efficiency of the node. TSCM's 7nm is similar to Intel's 10nm in what regards transistor density, thus being somewhat equal in efficiency, despite "7nm" suggesting TSCM's gate size being 70% of Intel's 10nm (suggesting in consequence that TSCM has the lead). Because there is no measuring standard (and they are basically estimates of what the performance should look like), process node is a term that can be used, and actually is, to mislead customers.

@ahsanqureshi786

4 жыл бұрын

@@diegofkda199 This comment should be pinned

@freshturns_snowboarding

4 жыл бұрын

@@diegofkda199 doesn't change the fact that Intel's chips are 200% overpriced so even if they're as electrically as efficient Intel is still horrible value. The tradeoff for anything midrange is literally a tiny bit of clock speed vs double the core and/or thread count

A very "tactful" footnote about "real world" benchmarking Linus. Gotta keep 'em happy I know. 😉

This is mindblowing, thank you so much!

Moore Transistors is very Noyce.... I'll see myself out. Moore's Law has actually been considered dead for a while in the Computer Engineering community. We need to move on from planer 2D lithography and focus on monolithic 3D lithography with better thermals even at a higher die size. EUV is also prohibitively expensive for any manufacturer that isn't TSMC- or GlobalFoundaries-level. CNTFETs are pretty great though, but we need to have better package cooling especially with hybrid systems within packages. Kaby Lake G had an AMD graphics die within the "CPU" packaging connected with interconnects to the actual CPU die. I can't wait until ReRAM gets placed in an M3D configuration (as in ILV not TSV) on HPC or consumer chips. GAAFETs are also definitely a game-changer.

'Carbon Nanoooo Tuuuuuuuuube" - Said Riley

@Anton-cv2ti

4 жыл бұрын

Cultural comment. Bigsby would approve.

@Kordanor

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, had to look for that comment! :D

@SergioEduP

4 жыл бұрын

was expecting him to come in

@tncson8941

4 жыл бұрын

@@SergioEduP yeah it's a shame that they didn't *insert* Riley in for "Carbon NanoooTuuuuuube"

Everyone 2020 cannot get any worse! 2020: Linus saying apple rocks

@AaronFigFront

4 жыл бұрын

I wanna know where?

@ritwiksethi

4 жыл бұрын

He didnt say that but I was like thats one of the worst thing that could happen in 2020.

@TrebleSketch

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I’m all for praise when things are good. If they are good, then it’s fine to say they’re good :P

@bartomiejkomarnicki7506

4 жыл бұрын

y’all gonna hurt when ARM based Macs will make AMD completely obsolete lol

@ritwiksethi

4 жыл бұрын

@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 yeah bruh apple silicon will be da best

Really, enjoyed this deeper dive.

thanks much for these informative vids!

can you do a techquickie about AMD/Intel vs ARM and etc processors

@shockwave1789

4 жыл бұрын

ಅಲ್ವಾ ? Apple ಸಹ ಮುಂದೆ ARM ಬಲಸತ್ತೆ , ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಒಳ್ಳೆ ಹೋಲಿಕೆ ವಿಡಿಯೋ ಅಗತೆ 👌

@mrtuvok5578

4 жыл бұрын

x86 vs arm

@christopherjc54

3 жыл бұрын

lookup CISC (x86) vs RISC (ARM)

intel: we're not on the smallest advertised process node also intel: process node numbers done matter everyone else: you sure, as AMD are kicking your a$$ on a lower process node.

@AlfaPro1337

4 жыл бұрын

Breaking news! It's not AMD's 7/5nm! It's TSMC! AMD contribute nothing into getting into smaller fabrication! Guess an Aymdiot fanboy detected!

@JohnSmith-xq1pz

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlfaPro1337 Salty blue tears much?

@hari14m

4 жыл бұрын

Lol I know why amd is ahead is becoz they use tsmc for fabrication while intel for some complicated reasons not doing.

@nabawi7

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlfaPro1337 How do those Intel boots taste?

@user-xr3rb6pn9m

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlfaPro1337 and so what? Who stops Intel from selling their factories to some third-grade chipmaker and placing orders at TSMC as well?

Great video, I liked the performance matters the most part at the end.

lame attempt by Intel to divert attention from their competition, "the size isn't all the story hey look what intel has done..."

I'm disappointed that you didn't added Riley when saying " carbon nanotubes" 😂

I would have liked a comparison of how TSMC and Intel count a new process

Video idea for you, Ram timings - how and why they matter. keep up the great work, love your content

Great video, thanks a lot!

We all know who really should’ve cried “CaRbOn NaNoTuBeS” in the video

I think this is the earliest I've ever been

@Saptarshi.Sarkar

4 жыл бұрын

Ya. Me too

@jorgealbertoop7952

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@blinkcatmeowmeow8484

4 жыл бұрын

WHY DO YOU COMPETE

@__.....

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@blinkcatmeowmeow8484

4 жыл бұрын

WHY ARE YOU GUYS OBSESSED WITH BEING EARLY

Just saw your rant on WAN, wanted to jump in here and thank you for the deeper dive. I very much appreciated the info, and perspective you offered. The idea you got flack for it is surprising to me. Gotta hate that internet toxicity. Thanks again, more please!

Love the video, I learned about this around two months ago, and I wondered how come you never said anything about it.

4:36 10nm ~mid 2017 He he he

How can someone dislike the video that was uploaded 1 minute ago yet the video is 6 minutes and thirty-seven seconds

@Blubbstock

4 жыл бұрын

dislike bots

@qpdlzjs

4 жыл бұрын

40 seconds in is the reason why

@ahsanqureshi786

4 жыл бұрын

Probably an AMD fanboy

@CarthagoMike

4 жыл бұрын

they took the _"hate-watch us"_ part at the end too seriously

@MickeyTech

4 жыл бұрын

_From intel....._ is enough

Have you done a video explaining all the M.2 variations? I get very confused when trying to get compatible parts from the limited information in motherboard listings!

Thanks...nice recap.

"We reached out to a company using a 7 year old process"

@Rose-ec6he

4 жыл бұрын

We've reached out to a market leader that is loosing ground and has a vested interest in dismissing any relevance of the topic we're discussing and didn't even take a moment to see if thier main competitor saw things any differently.

@SparkyOne549

4 жыл бұрын

NeutralAtJSP Lmao!

@grizzly6699

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Sponsored by Intel says it all. And do not believe it when Linus says "real world performance". That is Intel's BS marketing rubbish. Shame on you Linus. Check this video out for more info: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZ5pwdecZLbJfqg.html

@ahsanqureshi786

4 жыл бұрын

@@grizzly6699 Shut the f up AMD fanboy

@lejithankachan9480

4 жыл бұрын

@@ahsanqureshi786 you're so mad amd is just better

I'd love to see 1nm processors in coming years. It would be damn interesting

@GhostRider-jk4eo

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if they will go below 1 nm. Is it even possible?

great explanation, always wondered how Intel determined their node metric

Thank you. Love the science videos

The message in the video, while technically true, leaves a bad taste to me. It points specifically to intel current weaknesess, and might be taken wrongly by the uneducated crowd

@SwerveNation

4 жыл бұрын

@Caleb P isn't the amd threadripper the best processor though?

@TheFourthWinchester

4 жыл бұрын

@Caleb P Yeah I was also disappointed by the 5% less frame rates on AMD.

@sadatnafis2032

4 жыл бұрын

@Caleb P Umm no actually. Intel cpus are 5% maybe 10% better at gaming even in the best case scenario. And in scenario they are even slower than competing ryzen chips. But in either cases intel is the more expensive one by a significant margin. Unless you want the absolute best performance and do nothing but gaming and money is no object to you, then sure go for intel. Note : What I said is true for most cases. There are some exceptions where intel is actually the better option but they are quite rare. I think we have wait for 10nm for intel to regain the gaming king title

Hmmm...when I read "Is CPU Marketing a LIE?" my first thought was how they like to use the boost speed to market their CPU's EG: 5.3GHz in the marketing trying to make people think it is actually gonna hit those speeds all of the time when in fact it might hit it not often at all and if it does only on 1 core and for about 1 millisecond. Oh another lie TDP numbers or at least how they are measured and actually mean nothing now days because the chip might only actually run at those TDP's under very very light loads and only if it stays at base clock rate. Everyone that makes CPU's now days should be forced to market their chips with full load TDP numbers since that is what the chips will be runnning at most of the time when actually being used by the consumer. This not only tells everyone what to expect from a CPU it also informs them just how much cooling they are gonna need to keep things all nice and cool. Instead we got some piece about talking about nodes. Yes we know different companies measure their nodes differently/ Most that can read have known this for 20 years now.

when learning about how they made processors pre-3d i always wondered why they couldnt go 3d and "stand that on end" or "stand that on edge" "lay that on its side" after talking to a friends uncle whos a samsung eng, they had the same thought and, had been talking about it at the time, mostly as a way to boost both ram and nand memory capacities on the same size die, or make the same capacities smaller in the case of microsd type chips... he actually took some ideas he got from talking with us back then and apparently used them, not sure whos, like 8 of us came over to play DND and watch movies for the weekend, and he decided to join us rather then hang with the other relations that had come into town for their family reunion, the uncle spent 1/2 his time in the US and 1/2 in korea/tw/etc even going directly to the lithography plants and looking into issues/bugs and, how they could be fixed, since sometimes, they have to tweak the design from what "should work" to what will work with the lith tech and how it behaves in actual use... one reason he was so successful i think, was, the man never assumed anything would work as expected, and has always been willing to try something, even if it seems stupid "This cant work"... more then once, over the years he came back with "that shouldnt work, but, it does, now we just need to figure out why it works this way, and, what that means for future designs, and, if theres some way we can exploit or improve on this..." he was building a, and i kid not, electric-steam powered remote control plane, the batteries or capacitor was used to eat a closed loop steam engine he had built in his spare time, by built.. he machined the blocks and built over a dozen prototypes out of some high grade heat resistant plastics, before flushing the design out and making it out of aluminum, it was actually amazingly functional.. the only real issue was.. with the tech of the day, he had a hell of a time getting the temp control and throttle setup to work quite as he desired.. (im told now that hes semi-retired, he got that sorted and, the things got an old smartphone in it as a "Brain" that can report back all sorts of shit depending on what hes added, it can also fly for longer then the vast majority of remote planes.. im told, hes now talking about a design idea one of his old work buddies came up with, thats sort of like a modern drone... but, using mini turbines, that are actually powered by steam, rather then electrically driven.. the whole thing came about when one of his friends won an auction for the contents of several storage lockers, and found an old steam car in it, in perfect condition, i mean, the thing just needed somebody fimiliar with the tech to give it a once over, add some lube a few places, filled with water and fuel, and no joke took them 45min to get it working and have a cop offer to escorte them to the place a few blocks away that could get it both appraised officially and get the thing setup as street legal and the title issues taken care of.. turns out the old fellow who owned it, was still alive, but in bad physical shape, and had just let the storage units laps because he was never going to be able to do what he planned with any of it.. apparently, they befriended him and... well he lived longer then the doctors expected, and, got to ride in the steam car again.. any time he asked... im told though that a few of them started getting ideas after looking at how the steam engine worked... an electric-steam hybrid could actually, im told, possibly could be more efficient and powerful then current electric or combustion engines, and, in some ways simpler then those techs as well.. since, in many cases a very simple closed loop near zero loss system for engine, with electric used to heat the liquid, could genuinely give more power for the same or less energy used, and, a simple steam engine...isnt all that complex... and if you are mechanically minded, you can watch how it functions and figure out what the majority of the parts are doing just from deduction alone, but, another advantage im told, they could actually use hybrid metal/plastic blocks and such with current plastics/carbon-fiber/etc type materials, there are a good number of ways they could build a block that was light and durible, able to take the pressure thats required to operate the unit and, possible as much pressure as the system can produce before other components will fail.. (emergency pressure valve to discharge if it hits a pressure above what its rated for/set at. anyway.. the idea is neat.. and so is the idea of 3d transistors, carbon nanotubes, graphine..... they have stuck with silicon as the base in no smallpart because its duriable and a substance thats well understood, other materials they have tested that give superior results have serious flaws im told, one being, they can be quite fragile and even the pressure of an ihs under a cooler could damage them, the flex of bga packages expanding/contracting from heat... etc... the most promising seems to be silicon and carbon nanotube...

Also, how the transistors get used matters. An ARM gets more done per transistor than an X86 because the simpler instruction set means there are fewer transistors set aside for things that are rarely done in real software. All processors theses days have a "pipeline" with multiple instructions working their way through it. If another stage of pipeline is added a lot of extra work elsewhere in the chip also needs to happen for things like branch prediction. Deeper pipelining helps to let you move to a higher clock but comes at a cost.

You know, the "Intel inside" sticker, isn't that important anymore... We need new ones, like "AMD inside" and "ARM inside". 😉

@wysetech2000

4 жыл бұрын

Lucian Andries That would be stealing Intel's patent.

@InfernosReaper

3 жыл бұрын

AMD stickers already exist... ARM, though... not so much, but to be real, it's really hard to quantify and explain which ARM CPUs are better compared to the other ARM CPUs. It's like combining explaining Nvidia's Titan lineup with listing which Prizm models share parts with which Corolla models.

@wysetech2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper If they only say AMD then there is NO problem but if they say AMD inside, Intel can sue them.

@bluepeng8895

3 жыл бұрын

Why would you want ARM stickers? You don’t see “X86 Inside” stickers, do you?

This was interesting thank you

I am using this as a source for a college paper and I hoped that you would know that Linus thank you for explaining this to me because I had it super wrong you saved my butt.

This video pop up after Intel Marketing launch their New Real World Performance benchmarks, Coincidence much ?

@yud2006yud

4 жыл бұрын

A video a bout Markeing lies ...right after Intel's partners slides of lies and deception exposed by AdoredTV - Linus should know better.

gotta love how the comments manages to devolve the topic to a fanboy dispute

@Anton-cv2ti

4 жыл бұрын

KZread's the best

@mrtuvok5578

4 жыл бұрын

gpu nm anyone

Hello Linus, I thank you for the information that you have provided through your channel about the computer build. I saved money for a year and finial got my 1st gaming system and I could not have done it without your informative videos. Thanks and God Bless.

Great video!!!

You need to make more scrapyard wars! As well as more super cool factory tours. I loved your tour of the fission reactor video.

The title should have been "CPU process node as fast as possible", I feel like that question in that title hasn't been answered.

@iammarkanthony1

3 жыл бұрын

Intel told him to say "size doesn't matter ".😅

Thanks for the great vids. When will you do one on Koomey's law and other computer "laws"?

I expected Riley to scream when Linus mentioned carbon nanotubes

Linus legit looks more like Luke everyday

@1972LittleC

4 жыл бұрын

Omg, Luke is secretly taking over Linus' body to get back in front of the camera...

@JCMaldonado13

4 жыл бұрын

He just needs to gain like 200 pounds.

"we reached out to people who work at intel for information on process nodes, when they've been on the same one for 6 years at this point. Surely this won't lead to biased answers saying that anything smaller than 14nm is a waste of time"

@xerzy

4 жыл бұрын

well the video didn't give those answers

@pravda9646

4 жыл бұрын

but it didn't, fanboy. Neither AMD nor Intel will care how much you suck up to them

@GeorgeU55

4 жыл бұрын

You can always check wikichip if you think this is biased. Also pcgamer did an article on why isn't intel's 10 nm bigger than AMD's 7nm or something like that.

@BrumBrumBryn

4 жыл бұрын

"I commented before I watched the video and now look like an idiot."

@josephk1342

4 жыл бұрын

The video literally never said that, moron.

Intel: please buy our 14nm chips

The process node size is one of the most important thing if you are shopping for some CPU's (FPGA's) as it may increase the speed with lower power without optimizing the HDL-code. (or you may add another pipeline with all the syncronisation problems, switch to parallel code, ...) As the process node size is no more the transistor size: Can I still use the old formula for calculating the maximum clock rate (on paper) or should I better use a computer simulation (restraints calculation)?

PC enthusiasts: Less nanometres is good! Intel, struggling to go below the 10nm threshold: Nah, it's just marketing BS, size does not matter THAT much!

When it comes to Intel, I’d say yes.

That ear and nose hair trimmer sponsership came very surprising after such an interesting professional high tech video :D

Can you please make a video about future CPUs? And about how the carbon nano tubs would work ? Thanks!

ironic how you spoke with intel about this one

“CPU node size doesn’t matter” “This video sponsored by Intel” Lol

@broomer0

4 жыл бұрын

The video is not sponsored, and the video actually states how important is the process node

@techquickie

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for axtually paying attention Ricardo. There's some obnoxiously toxic crap in this comments section.

@ahsanqureshi786

3 жыл бұрын

@@techquickie True, everyone here thinks that Intel paid you to tell everyone that node size doesn't matter.

@codycast

3 жыл бұрын

Techquickie oh toughen up Karen. You understood the point. I wasn’t toxic”

@MarcABrown-tt1fp

3 жыл бұрын

@@techquickie Still you are using obvious antiquated Intel marketing in the end segment, when it is obviously better to compare processor performance under certain workloads to gauge true CPU performance, regardless of "Real World" applications. Gotta make Intel happy somehow lol.

Perfect video !!

I’m not sure if you have done this video before, but it would be interesting to know what magnets do to electronics, it was always a big no no to have magnets next to your electronics but now it seems to be normal to have magnet phone cases and other bits

Intel: using nm cannot be measure number of transistors today. instead, we invented "+" measurement.

Asking intel about node size when they are stuck at one size.

Well explained.

Thanks for finally cleaning up some loose bits of missing data.

I know it's intel that provided the information, and some insight is really useful and interesting, but a lot of o stuff u said and focused on are really based on intel marketing, if this is not a public sponsored intel video, please focus on the information about the process and not justifying the slow down of intel

As soon as I saw the two Intel people who were consulting on this I knew it was going to be a "our 10nm is better than their 7nm" video. However I do appreciate the info that was given out as it did describe some of the more interesting things I've heard about nodes and processes.

@circuit10

Жыл бұрын

They didn’t really say that? The closest thing I heard is telling you to pay attention to real world performance which seems reasonable

This video definitely felt like Intel narrative. You should have also included AMD in this

I love Linus for so many reasons... That being said this should be Anthony. The whole series just Anthony. That man could teach me anything.

last time I was this early was when Intel released a CPU and had no known security vulnerabilities yet

@willthomas7239

4 жыл бұрын

So you never turned up then 😉

@George_Bland

4 жыл бұрын

@@willthomas7239 oof

Duh, Intel is and has been estimating the size of their transistors, so is AMD, so pointing out that AMD *ALSO* doesn't technically have the correctly labeled size is kind of the pot calling the kettle black, no?

@RubinMamiyil

3 жыл бұрын

TSMC 7nm technology supports 8nm transistors also. Companies doesn't use 7nm sized transistor always in 7nm technology.

Excellent video. More microelectronics topics please.

Congrats from Brazil, love ya! XD