Bronze was the preferred material for heavier naval cannons deep into the age of sail due to the consistent quality that you talked about. Though they were monstrously expensive it was considered to be worth it since most ships perform better when your cannons dont blow up when you fire them.

@Bramble451

3 ай бұрын

And then came the British. A few sailor boys get blown up? Meh! More where they came from! Add more cannons to the decks! Your enemy's bronze cannons are exquisite, expensive, and outnumbered! Iron cannons are cheap and you can make a lot more of them! "He who throws the most metal, wins." And the British won!

@WagesOfDestruction

3 ай бұрын

The use of bronze was also common for land cannons up until the late 19th century. It wasn't until the Franco-Prussian War of 1870 with Krupp that we see iron cannons replacing bronze models in large numbers. .

@copperlemon1

3 ай бұрын

The greater hardness and brittle quality of iron was a major factor. Iron cannon have a nasty tendency to blow up because of the stress risers presented by casting defects, a problem which isn't so great in bronze. Before high quality steel was available en masse a few methods were used to mitigate the issue, with varying success. A lot of models had a wrought iron band welded around the breech, which was probably better than nothing. New casting methods (Rodman) or forgoing the casting and welding the barrel out of strips on a mandrel worked better. Bronze was universally preferred for smoothbore guns, but being soft and malleable it wouldn't hold rifling for long.

@djnotnice8416

3 ай бұрын

This comment thread was fascinating. Thank you all.

@LittkeTM

3 ай бұрын

​@@Bramble451 Britain was the nation hoarding all the brass and bronze it could. France was actually the early adopter of iron cannons in a desperate bid to make up the difference.

Favorite copper thing has to be copper wires. Couldn’t have modern electrical systems without it

@thegoldencat9368

3 ай бұрын

I love finding it in people's homes when they're on vacation.

@yaldabaoth2

3 ай бұрын

We would just use silver wires instead. Electronics would be a very expensive thing and not for public use, though.

@a11u45

3 ай бұрын

​@@yaldabaoth2actually aluminium wires have been used during copper shortages in the past. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think some US homes built between 1965-1970 have aluminium wires as there was a copper shortage at the time.

@bmetalfish3928

3 ай бұрын

@@thegoldencat9368 the real best place to find them is construction yard waste bins. discarded ac units are good for the pipes if you have an angle grinder.

@cocksneedfartin

3 ай бұрын

@@yaldabaoth2 copper is about 1000x more plentiful on earth than silver (copper: 70 parts per million, silver: 75 parts per BILLION) so yeah as you said electricity systems as we know them couldn’t exist

They call today the "internet age" yet here I am still using a stone mortar and pestle to grind my spices.

@matthewgagnon9426

3 ай бұрын

There's not really a better way to do it than that. Spice grinders can technically do the job, but why bring electricity into the occasion when you can grind something crazy fine with a mortar and pestle anyway?

@RenMagnum4057

3 ай бұрын

well it's not like you can download grinded spices lmao (technically you can order them)

@mrfrankie5479

3 ай бұрын

Some things are ageless.

@MrDUneven

3 ай бұрын

But even the internet is made of copper and vibrating rocks

@Granad784

3 ай бұрын

​@@matthewgagnon9426speed butbonly if you are doing it in largo scale

TRIVIA: The Aztecs did not have iron, but their _predecessors_ did; they relentlessly polished stones of magnetite or hematite, and some were able to make scale armor from sewing the shiny rocks into clothing. For edged weapons, the Aztecs and their predecessors continued to use stone, particularly obsidian.

I didn't think about what brass really was or its origin until now, thanks.

@Darraya55

3 ай бұрын

Me too, I'm actually really grateful for this video since now I can distinguish between them

Metal lore is fascinating

I was walking through an exhibit about Pompeii and noticed that a lot of the metal artifacts there were made of bronze. While I'm sure part of the reason is that iron rusts away far easier, I like the idea that, even a millenia after the bronze age collapse, bronze and brass were just so much easier to make that most smiths would prefer to make cookware and the like out of that rather than steel.

@AliothAncalagon

3 ай бұрын

Copper and its alloys also have nice anti-bacterial properties. Not a bad property for cookware to have either.

@basrengangetch.2042

3 ай бұрын

​@@AliothAncalagon IIRC they have a better geat conductivity, too

@AliothAncalagon

3 ай бұрын

@@basrengangetch.2042 Absolutely. I have no idea weither thats that much of a big deal if you cook entirely with fire though.

@basrengangetch.2042

3 ай бұрын

@@AliothAncalagon I don't think they have electric cookware back then, mate

@AliothAncalagon

3 ай бұрын

@@basrengangetch.2042 Which was my exact point.

Coins were also made of bronze by the Romans. Ships rams recovered from the Punic War era were made of bronze (used by both Carthage and Rome). As one historian described it the rams were "literally made of money."

Copper and brass do have such damn good looks!

Bronze and brass maces also remained popular. Especially bronze since it's heavy.

The Return of the King. Nice to see a new informative video.

One explaination of the king Midas story I've heard is that he was really Mita of Mushki, who sponsored widespread brass production in a time most common people had never heard of the stuff, so they thought it must be gold.

@cal2127

3 ай бұрын

iirc the rivers in lydia still can be panned for gold and his capitol was near a large river.

@Makaneek5060

3 ай бұрын

@@cal2127 buy one get one free 👌

Epimetheus is back? Yay! 😍

I love learning about how different metals came into their own in the hands of man. It is a logical progression, you start with the easy-to-work metals, slowly working up until you've figured out all the metals and start specializing them for their function. I had no idea for example that Rome used brass and bronze for helmets for example. It is amazing just how much these elements have impacted human history.

Forestry and mining are probably the two activities most transformed by the introduction of metal tools.

I had this lttle brass scale and weights as a kid for playing merchant. The fascination with the look and feel of brass stayed with me, gotta give favorite metal to brass 😊

Could you please make more about historical metallurgy videos!?!? I’m taken a metallurgy class now and I hate it, it’s all chemistry. But when u explain case hardening or using carbon from charcoal in a historical context, it becomes so much better!!!! Love ur videos keep up the great work.

The main reason why helmets greaves, breastplates and other plate armor was made from bronze rather than steel has to do with the difficulty in forming large, thin sheets of steel. This is why you often seen the same areas of the body covered in iron/steel armor that's made from little pieces of steel, like scale armor helmets (very common in China and the Near East). Cataphract armor is a great example as it is often made from steel scales and mail in all areas. Even the Late Roman spangenhelm and similar designs from the Early Medieval period are made from small sheets of steel riveted together. That was the best they could do. It wasn't until the High Medieval period that armorsmiths were able to produce large sheets of steel, and thus the emergence of plate armor.

LETS GO A NEW EPIMETHIUS VIDEO DROPPED!!!

I'm glad to see that your uploading schedule has become more frequent 🙏

great video, I'm actually making copper, brass and bronze armor for my video series covering different styles of arms and armor from different time periods and cultures. currently finishing up Scytho-cimerian style scale armor with Brass details (wanted to make full suite but copper and its alloys are very expensive). other than that, I'm making colchian copper cuirass (try saying that fast) using silver horn depictions as reference. fun! I also want to make a linothorax, cant decide on how to stylize yet. should I go full Greek or do something else?!

@SimplyJustRed

3 ай бұрын

Go full Makedonian.

@thebordoshow

3 ай бұрын

@@SimplyJustRed that is an option I've been considering

My favorite bronze item in the modern day is cymbals for drum sets. Zildjian has been using the same alloy for 400 years

Loved this video that actually tackled the materials themselves that we use to divide history. Humanity using nature and brain to advance. Thanks for the explanation and differences between the metals, advantages and disadvantages.

Incredibly concise while being very informative - another great video man!

You're such an awesome youtuber and historian, you've played an important role in teaching me, and I'm sure many others about antique history!

My favourite metal is anything copper because I can take it from work sites and get a nice little cash bonus

@texasred5665

3 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, I love it when theres a bit of plumbing to rip out.

@barbadolid5170

Ай бұрын

Least money oriented Phoenician

Excellent informative video to better understand the different stages of history.

I really love copper, more so than gold or silver. I've handcrafted several personal items out of it. It's so easy to work with!

always a pleasure to watch an Epimetheus video!

My favorite part was the little ant running around.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Nah but seriously though, this video was very informative and interesting. Good job as aways Epimitheus!!!

my man you drop 1 video per year but man its always best

Ancient Warfare magazine had an interesting article several years ago about the misconceptions of bronze vs. iron weapons, which touched on some of the points made here. It attributed some of the misconceptions from the 1954 movie "The Egyptian."

This video is yet another work of art. I love you Epimetheus - unreal history videos!

My favorite of these metals has got to be brass. I used to play the trumpet. The timbre of a brass instrument is truly unique

Nice to see you back brother

Would be nice to have a follow up video with the more modern usage of metals / materials, like how the industrial revolution made use of superior steel, the rise of aluminium, or the electronic comeback of copper. Great video btw

bronze looks pretty cool. also you can cast bronze. cast iron by contrast is brittle

Your video production quality is just like Iron, it keeps getting better and better, looking forward to what you have next and keep the good work 👍

God I love your videos so much! This was very informative.

Enlightening work as always, Eps. Great work!

My fav of these metals? Chrissy Hind and the Pretenders: "Brass in pocket"

I have been WAITING !!!!! My wishes have been fulfilled!

You've really illuminated some things for me. Questions I may have asked myself in passing, but didn't know how to ask online exactly. Like for example why spears would have steel/iron heads and bronze bottom spikes. Why Royal navy cups were made of copper unlike the usual tin or pewter cups of the time. Just little things like that were suddenly revealed and explained unexpectantly. So thank you. Fascinating stuff sir.

Babe wake up new Epimetheus upload just dropped

Always look forward to your videos

Man i realy love this channel it should get much much more attention

North Americzn proples used copper a lot. A large copper plate with carvings on it was a sign of great wealth.

Thank you very much for a new video!

Great Video. I had long deduced why it took Iron so long to gain ground but you managed to explain all the tecical details in a way a troglodyte like myself can easily understand.

art quality is so good

@NANMANTheServoSkull

3 ай бұрын

the first few videos were very charming but nowadays it's on a another scale, it's really amazing

Excellent!

Please make more extended videos we love them So much. Youre one of my favorite creator out there!

Thank you for sharing this info my friend 🙏

he's back

Amazing video, very informative. Many thanks man!

I'd say my favorite (reply to final question) would be bronze: it does not just last like forever but it's heavy enough to produce excellent blunt stuff and does a decent job with points and edges (stab and slash). Definitely I wouldn't trust my defense if possible to brass whose best modern use is to make cans.

@robo5013

3 ай бұрын

Brass is extensively used to make plumbing valves. Also bullet and artillery casings are made of it.

@LuisAldamiz

3 ай бұрын

@@robo5013 - Sure, why not. But armor?!

@5peciesunkn0wn

3 ай бұрын

When tin from tinland is hard to come by, and you need something better than copper and easier to produce than iron/steel, brass is the next best thing. Plus there's the bling factor to consider at that time period.@@LuisAldamiz

@LuisAldamiz

3 ай бұрын

@@5peciesunkn0wn - The bling factor is best satisfied with gold or silver... but they won't protect you. I'd rather take a variscite armor, not because it'd be very practical but because the green stone (the Western Megalithic "jade" of sorts) had the bling factor plus, being a stone, probably protects better against deadly blows and arrows than just bling without resistance. More seriously I'm pretty sure that boar tusks' or some other bone/ivory armor maybe was a real thing in the Greek Bronze Age. It combines the practicality and the bling thing in one white shiny thing.

@5peciesunkn0wn

3 ай бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz it was a real thing. We have examples of them. Stone makes trash armor. It takes a long time to shape, it's heavy, and it's brittle. Precious/semi-precious stone armor would also be prohibitively expensive. You'd be better off wearing cast iron with gold leaf over it.

thank you for your efforts!

Great video as always.

Fantastic video

Very informative❤

Welcome back, always good to see your videos. May I ask your view points on Arsenic Bronze? As I understand it, before Tin was alloyed to Copper, Arsenic was the popular admixture, is this accurate? Did it see a revival when the trade routes were interrupted during the Bronze Age collapse?

@markdombrovan8849

3 ай бұрын

Arsenic mines are also very rare, so unless there was one nearby, i doubt it would see a return. Plus the whole toxicity thing was probably at least somewhat understood at the time? Not a historian tho, so might be wrong, but rarity of arsenic mines is right

@VeridianHerald

3 ай бұрын

The toxicity was well known, but civilizations tend to ignore health concerns in the face of crisis. Also, arsenic, especially in sulfides, is an associated mineral to copper, so while it may not be abundant, it is often found in the same places that copper is. Also, who would mine arsenic just for itself?

@markdombrovan8849

3 ай бұрын

@@VeridianHerald exactly, it was mixed with copper. Which meant it wasn't seen as a separate mineral in most cases, but rather a "separate grade copper". Similar to how specific combination of local coal and iron deposits with unique impurities provided Damascus steel, arsenic bronze was naturally occurring but in a few select areas where proportions of impurities in copper ore was just right

@VeridianHerald

3 ай бұрын

We already have sites of note (a couple of the tepes in what is now Turkey) where arsenic free copper was deliberately alloyed to arsenic. This wasn't just an accident of inclusion. To be certain, some places back in the chalcolithic definitely were getting it as a result of mineral composition, but the furnaces and foundries later tell a different story.

@markdombrovan8849

3 ай бұрын

@@VeridianHerald well, maybe then this foundries-dating research you are referencing also contains info for later periods too, since you are curious

I'm just going to guess that Copper and Bronze, being softer than Iron, was easier to work with.

This is an interesting question? The Iron man cometh

I read somewhere that the quality of bronze metallurgy dropped precipitously by the days of the early Roman Empire and that our current capabilities are lesser than that of the ancients.

i've always wondered this, amazed to know how much chemistry and metalurgy was known by these people

Dig the set-up!

It's wild to me that steel was possible in the iron age, even if they could not mass produce it

My favorite copper things are copper caps and wire because they make excelpent flintknapping tools.

Very interesting video, thank you!

Good to hear more about the ancient near east

It is incredible how rare tin is even in today's world. Wikipedia rates it as a 'rare' mineral with demand constantly outstripping production.

My favorite brass item is my trumpet

One thing people tend to forget is that the ages refer to peak technology and not the most abundantly used material. For instance, even in the middle ages iron was used incredibly sparingly. Only military applications really heavily utilised it. Meanwhile, nails were made of wood, barrels bound with rope, etc. wherever possible... Then one day in WWII, a single naval engagement resulted in so much iron being sunk that it corresponded to all iron mined worldwide since the dawn of iron age to the frigging industrial revolution!

My personal preferred explanation for the Dark Age is specifically the spread of useful iron working. In my understanding early iron was lower quality and harder to work than late bronze but it was plentiful. You can find it on virtually any hillside. If you have a bellows and a competent blacksmith you can make virtually anything out of iron, even if it is of lesser quality than bronze. I personally thing think the cause of the dark age is that all the little tribes and lesser kings adopted iron weaponry and tools making them able to resist the bronze armed great kings by being able to mobilize their entire village as soldiers, as opposed to only 1/10 before, making it impossible for the great kings to extort tribute and when the great kings adopted iron working that made the trade routs and diplomacy much less useful since the need for bronze in maintaining power had disappeared.

amazing videos! every time!

@EpimetheusHistory

21 күн бұрын

Glad you like them! :D

Nice video. Just for clarification: some stones CAN be recycled! This should be true for quartz and obsidian, but the question is when people became able to melt these things. Glass required additives to lower the melting point.

I see your minis. Now you need to tell us which game system you use so we can judge you accordingly!

I always thought it was the same reason as why Horses were still used during WW2: progression goes slow. Especially in millitairy replacements.

Wow he is back 🎉

"Meteorite Iron" is about 5-25% nickel, which makes it a very strong and durable alloy.

great subject

Hi epimethius, I love the content you make, but could you elaborate on why you do not include sources in the description of your videos?

Yay! Cool video

It would have been a lot cooler if they called it the Blue Steel Age.

You need to start a podcast

Bright copper kettles

This is completely wrong. The transition to the iron age occured very quickly and everything instantly became made of iron. This is very well portrayed in age of empires 1.

Arsenic can also be used to make bronze but for obvious reasons is less ideal than tin

I work on MRI magnets and need non-magnetic wrenches, screw drivers, and wire cutters. You can buy these really expensive titanium tools which are rather soft and get damaged easily. I've found brass tools to be very hard and durable for the work I do and I prefer them to Ti. Can't say I have a use for bronze in every day life, but brass shows up everywhere, including plumbing.

I ❤ your artwork & animation style Big E. Thanks for another enjoyable presentation 👍

lmao, who saw the bug before the zoom btw?

Please make a video on Sedentary Hunter-gatherers and on the Dungan Revolt

Eu espero ansioso por novos vídeos neste canal! Não tem igual no KZread

Before the Metal Age the Stone Age occurred and before that the Wood Age occurred.

Brass horns are my pick for the best use of the alloy

You’d have to pay me really good money to hammer out something from meteorite. It’s a completely random mix. Sure there’s iron…and zinc, titanium, manganese in large quantities. I’d bet that’s the reason for the lack of meteor iron objects. It’s difficult to work and could put off some toxic fumes. Great video!

With steel you have to the right amount of carbon impurities, then you have to uniformly distribute the carbon throughout the alloy which requires a lot of heating and hammering. Then you hammer out the shape you want. Then you have to heat it to somewhere between 727°C to 900°C give or take depending on the carbon content so that the steel undergoes a phase change from its alpha phase, ferrite, to its gamma phase, austenite. In this phase change the iron crystals go from a BCC (body centered cubic) crystal structure to a FCC (face centered cubic) crystal structure and the carbon atoms fall into the interstitial sites sort of "propping up" the FCC structure . Immediately afterwards you dunk it into some boiling oil so it cools rapidly, the phase change wants to reverse but its cooling so rapidly that the carbon atoms are locked in the interstitial sites. The result is a phase of steel called martensite which has a BCT (body centered tetragonal) crystal structure. This process is called quenching. After quenching comes tempering which is heat treating, you basically bake it at around 175°-350°C for two hours so that the crystals can grow. This reduces the brittleness but increases overall ductility. Everything that I just described took over two thousand years to figure out. Copper alloys including bronze, you pour the molten metal in a cast and let it cool. If it's a sword, hammer the edges to increase hardness. You're done.

Those ingots of hammered metal, the shape of an animal skin, were called celts. Who were the first masters of iron working in Europe .... the Celts. Is there a connection or is it just a crazy coincidence ?

Glad to see that you have returned...

Dont know if this matters ir nit, but id thought people would like to know that rail road spikes are actually very low carbin mild steal and bot iron. Wierrdly enough its of a quality of steel used in quite a few weapons until the bessemer and puddling processes made controling carbon content easier abd nore percise