So wait, some Native American in Oregon could have theoretically found a boatload of katanas? Because that's how I like to imagine it

@elisays258

5 жыл бұрын

Now I wanna make a movie about a tribe of Salish natives discovering a boat filled with katanas and conquering their neighbours to form a small kingdom.

@omgsus

5 жыл бұрын

@@elisays258 id watch that anime

@wannabehistorian371

5 жыл бұрын

That sounds awesome.

@Kijnn

4 жыл бұрын

Then a boatload with european sword pommels arrived in Mexico, which caused the destruction of many mesoamerican civilizations like the Maya an Olmecs.

@JohnDoe-ne4kg

4 жыл бұрын

Dead meme

Comparing stone age to primitivism is a common misconception. Not only the Mayans were quite civilized, but even stone age Europe was much more civilized than we tend to think.

@MajoraZ

5 жыл бұрын

While I agree with your point (I think that we should abandon the term "stone age" here entirely though, in anthropoligical contexts the terms are only used in reference to eurasian history); I think you are setting up a false dichotomy. Yes, Stone age Europe was more complex then just cavemen living in huts, but to compare Stone Age Europe, to, say, the Classical Maya is really incorrect: The Maya were way more complex then anything you see in Stone Age europe and are probably more comparable to Bronze or Iron age Mesopotamian city-states

@g-rexsaurus794

5 жыл бұрын

@@MajoraZ Funny how one side you deride classifying native Americans as primitive but do the exact same with Europeans without a second thought.

@RUINOUSDOLL

5 жыл бұрын

@@g-rexsaurus794 why are westerners so oversensitive about this? what he said was totally correct

@g-rexsaurus794

5 жыл бұрын

@@RUINOUSDOLL I'm pointing out hypocrisy.

@RUINOUSDOLL

5 жыл бұрын

@@g-rexsaurus794 He just said that the Mesoamerican Stone Age isn't comparable to the European Stone Age (which is, again, true) calm down bro, it's not an attack on any historical civilization

The mayans shall be henceforth referred to as an obsidian age civilization

@baabaaer

3 жыл бұрын

But from what I underatand they had a maize age collapse.

@dinosaurusrex1482

3 жыл бұрын

@@baabaaer heh, corn maize

@jozebutinar44

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry it is still stone

@bluespy4050

3 жыл бұрын

@@jozebutinar44 nice pfp grand dad

@jozebutinar44

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluespy4050 grand dad sorry i am not old

Must be so weird to be a Native in California to have these huge mysterious ships containing this futuristic super advanced metal just wash up to shore sometimes even with survivors, basically the equivalent of checking out a crashed UFO with aliens on board.

@maneatingcheeze

5 жыл бұрын

As far as I know they never had survivors. These ships were either washed out by typhoons or tsunamis and would usually take years to end up on the West Coast. Most of the Mid-Pacific is sparsely populated by edible flora/fuana making it down right impossible to make the float trip alive.

@fludblud

5 жыл бұрын

@@maneatingcheeze Actually from the late 17th to mid 19th century there were a total of 23 recorded cases of occupied drifting Japanese ships being washed up on North America carrying a total of 293 survivors. The survivors mainly subsisted on fishing and rainwater and were helped on by the powerful Kurishiro currents that lowered the journey time to under a year.

@LiberalsGettheBulletToo

5 жыл бұрын

​@@fludblud 17th to 19th century vs "since medieval times" (what the video said). That period was already after contact. You left that part out of the quote... "In the 1890s, lawyer and politician James Wickersham[64] argued that pre-Columbian contact between Japanese sailors and Native Americans was highly probable, given that from the early 17th century to the mid-19th century several dozen Japanese ships were carried from Asia to North America along the powerful Kuroshio Currents. Such Japanese ships landed from the Aleutian Islands in the north to Mexico in the south, carrying a total of 293 persons in the 23 cases where head-counts were given in historical records. In most cases, the Japanese sailors gradually made their way home on merchant vessels." /wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact_theories#Claims_of_Japanese_contact

@presidenttogekiss635

5 жыл бұрын

Note to self: write a sci-fi book with that premisse.

@nevyen149

5 жыл бұрын

@@fludblud Sources?

Another thing about Mexico bronce age is that a culture called the purecha was in the early stages of weaponry of bronze specifically axes when the Spanish arrived so it was getting interesting but it was stop sad

@WoodenInari

5 жыл бұрын

Also forgot to mention that the purepecha were also making arrows and armour with bronze as well

@absalomdraconis

5 жыл бұрын

The Inca empire was apparently less than 200 years old when it was conquered. Another interesting what-if.

@joseantonioamayaalvarado6744

5 жыл бұрын

That was the only reason the Aztecs couldn't conquer the Purépecha

@user-ny5cu5ol1p

5 жыл бұрын

@@blackerpanther3329 What a complete non-sequitur.

@blackerpanther3329

5 жыл бұрын

Satan I don’t think I can make it any more clear...

I'd like to add a few of corrections. You actually don't need tin to make bronze. You can make it with arsenic, and arsenical bronze was the first produced in the Near East. Furthermore, while it is true that the Near East civilizations traded for most of their tin, from c. 2000 B.C., if not earlier, their primary source was Central Asia. European sources of tin were used predominately by European Bronze Age cultures. While the onset of the Aegean Bronze Age is conventionally dated c. 3200 B.C., artifacts made of tin bronze alloys, dated to c. 4650 B.C., have been uncovered in Serbia and Bulgaria. Central and South Africa have rich deposits of both tin and copper although there is no evidence that the tin veins were exploited in Ancient times. Still, it is probably unwise to assume that their lack of a Bronze Age was caused by an inability to access the necessary resources. Finally, statement that civilization arose in the Americas much later than Eurasia is debatable, depending on what criteria one uses to define civilization. One commonly sited mark of civilization is agriculture, and crops were domesticated in the Americas only one or two millennia after Eurasia and long before any culture had a Bronze Age. Perhaps you are referring to urbanization? In Eurasia, the onset of urbanization is contemporaneous with the start of the Bronze Age in many regions. Unfortunately, this wasn't the case with the Americas. The earliest known urban center is Caral, in Peru, which is dated to c. 2650 B.C., but there was no Bronze Age there. If I were to posit a reason for the late onset of bronze technology in the Americas, I would suggest it is due to a lack of cultural continuation. In Eurasia, when a culture ended, elements of it were often inherited and assimilated by succeeding cultures, often with an uninterrupted occupation of the same sites. In the Americas, we see a repeated cycle of urban centers developing and later being abandoned and forgotten. In addition to Caral, I can name Teotihuacan, Mayan sites, Chaco Canyon, and the Hopewell culture all come to mind. It might be this lack of an uninterrupted cultural tradition that impeded the development of certain technologies. It might also be linked to the lack of writing to record and transmit knowledge. The Maya, as far as I'm aware, were the only culture the have a fully developed writing system in the Americas.

@charlieputzel7735

4 жыл бұрын

While yes, you can make bronze with Arsenic (and also lead), the reason Tin is the only viable long-term option is pretty clear: it is the only one that won't kill you. That being said, I agree with your theory. The disconnect between successive cultures does seem like a major culprit in the slow growth of technology in the new world.

@kaidenrb4430

3 жыл бұрын

Damn you typed that whole thing

@zzzcocopepe

3 жыл бұрын

That kind of does make sense, because I know in North America some of the tribes would follow behind Bison herds. And the same thing in Africa. And the Mongols in Asia we're a horse tribe.

@chibiromano5631

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. The natives rarely use the past tense and always speak in the present tense. FOR WRITING system, the Olmecs had a writting system, the Mixtec had a writing system as well as the Aztec Nahuatl. But even earlier, in NM pictograms have been seen which were dated to around 1600 BC and appear to have been from the Shang Dynasty. So there was civilization in the Americas as far as 2000 BC and they did have use of IRON. The pacific northwest natives actually had body armor and and bronze macquitls , central mexico also had bronze armor , they just stopped using it around 1000 AD. So by the time they were discovered in 1500 they were living in the dark ages. Western Europe had something similar with Rome. After Rome fell , WE fell back into a dark ages, many technologies were lost and were not really seen until the Islamic invasions and were not relearned until the disocvery of ancient Greek writtings. I guess it would be like if we went into another dark age 20 years from now and it set us back to pre industrial era, sort of like in Fallout games. But the Americas is one of the youngest civilizations. They did develop later during the Eurasian migrations in 5000 BC during Kenewick man. I think its more of a Human being thing and short attention spans. 98% of the world population doesn't really care for history.

@DangRenBo

2 жыл бұрын

Cited*

how could they have obsidian if they only had stone tools im sorry

@Old_Ladies

5 жыл бұрын

traded with villagers?

@MrNiszuPL

5 жыл бұрын

They could have found it inside some temples or abandoned mines

@attilarbismut100

5 жыл бұрын

MrNiszu verry intelligent

@indigophoenix12

5 жыл бұрын

There are surface deposits of obsidian throughout parts of the southwestern US. Obsidian is a stone itself, and can be worked with other stones.

@attilarbismut100

5 жыл бұрын

Alienjests A i had almost forgotten minecraft too

The precolumbian history of the Americas is the most undeservedly ignored topic in history.

@TheFenderBass1

5 жыл бұрын

Its not ignored there just aren't enough sources to give it the attention it needs. Same as central africa.

@martinsriber7760

5 жыл бұрын

I think Subsaharan Africa is ignored even more.

@huasodecolina

5 жыл бұрын

@@SniperDizzyJohny They did. Unfortunately the Spanish Conquistadores and the Spanish Inquisition burned and destroyed most of the Amatl codices from the Mesoamerican civilizations and the Quipu from the Andean Incan civilization. Also the diseases killed most of the population, probably killing most of the class of priests and scribes that knew how to read them. We only have left a dozen or so books and the monumental architecture.

@MajoraZ

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheFenderBass1 The idea that our lack of sources justifies the littlle attention they are given is horribly wrong. Yes, the Spanish burned thousands of Mesoamerican books and Andean rope/knot records, but there are hundreds of stone inscripions in Maya cities detailing political histories, as well as hundreds of writings documenting the history and society of various city-states and cultuires in central Mexico, such as the Aztec, dating from the early colional period by either Spanish friars or by native descendants of royalty and nobility re-re-recording information that was previously lost in the book burnings, and a few dozen similar works for other Mesoamerican groups. We outright have more Nahuatl (Aztec) language sources and writing from specific known authors then we do from Ancient greece. What we have less is indeed a shadow of the amount of sources we could have had, but there's still an ample amount to where we could spend a signficasnt amount of time on it in schools and in channels like Tigerstar here.

@CoffeeSuccubus

5 жыл бұрын

@Berend Emanuel "Africa" Okay? You literally need to be specific

Heck, that date for European bronze age isn't even true for all of Europe. Remote parts like Scandinavia *always* lagged a little behind in almost everything from farming, bronze and Christianity to witch burning. It took a while for news to spread this far north, though our retarded earning curve on farming meant we relied more on hunting which usually meant fishing which meant boats and hey let's see how far we can sail these bad boys.

@simen3971

5 жыл бұрын

Remote parts of Scandinavia were pretty up to date on the witch-burning, but yeah farming and metallurgy and other such *nice* things tended to diffuse more slowly. There were plenty of witch trials in Scandinavia in the late 16th/early 17th century (peak of the European witch hysteria), and Finnmark, the northernmost part of Scandinavia, executed more witches per capita than almost any region anywhere.

@TonyStark-eb3dw

5 жыл бұрын

@@simen3971 For some reason I thought Northern Europe was always a little less Christian than their southern neighbors and even held onto paganism longer?

@Wasserkaktus

5 жыл бұрын

Scandinavia had an extremely vibrant culture during the Bronze Age occurring the same time as other Bronze Age cultures.

@hnorrstrom

5 жыл бұрын

@@TonyStark-eb3dw no i should say that was not the case, at least not for sweden. After converting and establishment of strong kingdoms the church power was really strong as it was used to control people. Also after converting to protestantism the belive in god was extremly strong and the whole system was build upon that, sweden was well known for the fanatic army beliving in the fate of god around 1550-1800. Especialy in remote areas belive in god was strong for a long time. Most things has changed the last 100 years or so.

@joeampolo42

5 жыл бұрын

@@hnorrstrom According to some sources they were at least as Christian as the rest of Europe by 1150. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Swedish_Crusade

I'm glad you did this. The americas history is quite overlooked, and youre right Stone and Bronze Ages in the americas developed in a very different way than in Eurafrasia. They can barely be compared. Great video, greetings from Perú

This video I think illustrates why the term "X age" should (and is, in actual anthropology) be avoided entirely outside of Eurasia: They are really only periods of eurasian history, not developmental stages all cultures advance through linearly, which is something people get caught up on, assuming that because the Mesoamericans primarily used stone/wood tools, they are less advanced. ....In reality, The Aztec captial of Tenochtitlan had 200,000 to 250,00 people and covered 1350 hectacres, vs Uruk, one of the largest Mesopotamian Bronze age cities, having only 40k people/400 hectacres. You have political systems and an emphasis on The Arts and Intellectualism, among the Aztec fairly comparable to what you see in Ancient Greece as well, and they were outright among the most complex and advanced cultures in the world at the time when it came to water management systems, sanitation, medicine, and botany (The free paper "Public Health in Aztec society" is a good introduction to this), things which prior Mesoamerican cultures also excelled at. Overall, I think classical antiquity is probably the best comparison, but fundamentally the Mesoamericans and also the Andeans (Inca, etc) don't really match up with any specific period of Eurasian history in terms of social or technological complexity since due to their isolation, they weren't developing along the same pathway.

@stoopid6036

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The world isn't civ 4, different people develop differently.

@atic7910

5 жыл бұрын

where is your little heart tigerstar

@blackerpanther3329

5 жыл бұрын

So if they were so awesome, why couldn’t they get past Stone Age tools, thoughts or inventions? They didn’t even have the water wheel, the most basic devices. I find it humorous that you’ve convinced yourself that the Aztecs had any type of intellectualism. No philosophical thought is being studied by them, no documents of theirs are being taught with regards to critical thinking, science, mathematics... you’re dreaming.

@atic7910

5 жыл бұрын

@@blackerpanther3329 did you study korean history in highschool, most probable no, does that mean that they dont have history?

@TheReaper569

5 жыл бұрын

İn anthropology we dont compare astec capital o f 14th century to uruk 2300bc And generally more people isnt really an accomplishment of its own. American indians were certainly the very late to the party the end

7:03 ...except that's an Aztec calendar on the right. It was created almost 1000 years after the Maya cities were abandoned and has little to no connection with the Mayan calendar. You were doing so good up to that point. I even subscribed...

Now that I think about it, the Maya should have the observatory as a unique building in Civ 6

@Shain3333

5 жыл бұрын

They aren’t in the game. And yes, that would be cool, because if the maya were to be playable, then you wouldn’t want some shrine replacement granting a science or two when you can have a building with very original bonuses.

@jaydentownsend5402

5 жыл бұрын

@@Shain3333 I Swear in civ 5 they had a shrine unique building that gave faith and science. Maybe a "grand pyramid" to serve as the temple replacement. Or even a replacement for something like the national academy in civ 5.

@Shain3333

5 жыл бұрын

+Jayden Louise Nicholas Townsend That’s what I was referencing. The pyramid was strong (double the faith output, good amount of science) but felt uninspired

@Hodorify

5 жыл бұрын

@@Shain3333 that long count calendar UA is pretty awesome and give them variability though

@taramungoognumarat2989

4 жыл бұрын

You were almost right

One of my favorite representations of how the stone age was nowhere near as primitive as people make it out to be is the intricate and beautiful mace heads that we sometimes find.

3:55 what? this deserves its own video

Thank you for not forgetting about the Americas, pre columbian history is almost all ways pushed aside

"Civilizations simply arose later in the Americas than in the Middle East, Asia, Europe or Africa." That's not true, EmperorTigerstar. What about the Caral-Supe civilization in Peru? The pyramids of Caral are as older as the ones of Saqqara, in Egypt.

@MDPToaster

5 жыл бұрын

Bryan Gamarra Yeah, this is why pre Colombian American history isn’t taught often, because early civilization in the America’s has been wiped out during a catastrophic event that scientists have only recently begun to understand.

@MajoraZ

4 жыл бұрын

My understanding is that Caral and the Norte Chico are better described as stuff analogous to Gobleki Tepe rather then as urban state socities like sumer;

So happy to see my favorite channels coming together n finding a few I didnt know

Might owe to a lack of need for metal tools The America’s didn’t need sickles to harvest corn and potatoes Where in The Middle East did to harvest wheat You even see there they converted the design into the first swords which were sickle sharped rather than strait blades You would think metal picks for stone cutting would be useful but copper and even bronze are softer metals so maybe stone head picks and heating and cooling cracks are still the way to go

The youtuber Aztlan Historian has a great two part series on metalworking in the Americas. I'd recommend anyone with an interest in this subject check him out!

@MajoraZ

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for telling me ahout that channel.

@SomasAcademy

5 жыл бұрын

@Paul Tello He's just a history youtuber who focuses on pre-Columbian American history. "Aztlan" was a mythical island the Aztecs supposedly came from, so Aztlan Historian uses it in his name as an ironic nod. Also, for the record, in English we use "an" in front of words beginning with vowels, not "a".

@gc6096

5 жыл бұрын

Soma Hanikeri ok thanks for the recommendation, have nice day.

@madhuakkaraju5509

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Also, the Vikings had their Ulfbert swords; made of high-carbon steel ingots that they obtained from the Romans.

@calebmurray3945

5 жыл бұрын

i thought they got the steel from india that was traded on the silk road; i'm pretty sure the ulfbert swords came after the romans

This is a great series thank you!

Thank you for this video. It widened my perspective about technology and civilization development.

Interesting video idea. As you said it's important to remember that these age classifications don't always correspond to how complex or advanced the society is

The most fascinating video of the whole bunch!

Thanks EmperorTigerstar, I enjoyed the video and learned something new

Fascinating and informative!

That was interesting. Thanks for telling me something new!

Surprisingly interesting perspective. Thanks.

Thank you for pulling these things apart. So important and helpful. We need new language!

that was pretty cool! thanks for sharing it

Very cool and informative!

I like that you explain better the idea of iron age in terms of use of technology and how you relate with different geographic areas.Very interesting video.

Where my family is from in Mexico, there have been a lot of bronze axeheads and even ceremonial breastplates found; unfortunately, not much anthropological or archaeological research is done in Michoacan in comparison to central Mexico or the Yucatan, so we don't really know if that was the full extent of bronze working there. Interestingly, the P'urepecha language is considered an isolate, and seems to be closer to Quechua and Zuni than anything actually in Mexico. As you mentioned, Quechua speakers were likely the first developers of metallurgy, so some people think that the technique could have spread through some unknown trade route along the Pacific coast.

Very cool vid thanks

3:55 I never thought of that! I heard about the indigenous people near the great lakes and elsewhere using copper (without smelting though) but I never heard anyone mention shipwrecks from east Asia taking iron artifacts via currents to the northwest, that is awesome!

I wish you would have mentioned cold hammered native copper in Alaska and the pacific northwest that was used for weaponry as well as status, but overall excellent video. Being new to the channel I feared this would be a much less rigorous video in a biased linear cultural evolution narrative, but I was very happy to be wrong. Thanks for the interesting information!

Nice one!

What an AWESOME Collaboration!! I watched the entire series!! TY!!

Excellent!

This is a really important video in the collab. It's so necessary to step out of our eurocentric view points. For anyone interested the Moche also made some sexy ceramics.

@Liphted

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Plus anyone who follows history as much as this community is by now yearning for more videos on the history of other parts of the world. Your video on the pyramids was boss by the way, but dude, in a snow storm?!

@KyleGrimes96

5 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! I’m an archaeologist and we love some sexy ceramics

Huh, I never really considered this specific question much before. I mean I had studied the Incas, Mayans, Aztecs and other various tribes during prominent times in history but I never truly based the question of whether they had a Bronze Age. This video was truly interesting and it' always nice to have another video discussing the works of Pre-Colombian America. It's insultingly oversimplified and overlooked in history as a whole.

@tejas4567

Жыл бұрын

I agree

At 5:24 you say Peru yet the map shows Bolivia (I just want to point this out for people who aren’t very well versed in geography)

@pempotfoy6206

5 жыл бұрын

They're the same

@alejandroizquierdo302

5 жыл бұрын

Ah, Bolivia, Peru's rebel province.

@user-dz1tc6ed1i

5 жыл бұрын

@@pempotfoy6206 yup like united statians and canadians

@pempotfoy6206

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-dz1tc6ed1i Em no, more like north Korea and south Korea, or Colombia and Panama

@user-dz1tc6ed1i

5 жыл бұрын

@@pempotfoy6206 nah man its all the same. It depends only on how close you are to them and your perspective on those people

I'm glad we have a Tiger as an Emperor to teach us history and edit maps for us.

A lot of the problem with the Americas is logistics, and also the lack of tamable beasts. It's all a north/south trade route, which is much harder to deal with than the huge east/west routes of the Old World. This, I suspect is also one of the causes of the sub Saharan tardiness to the party. An east/west route has a fairly similar climate, flora, fauna and landscape. All of these change constantly in a north/south route.

Awesome! Really cool

Great video. Amerindians should have more love in history study. I already knew the Inca had bronze weapons thanks to _Kings and Generals_ but I wasn't aware that it wasn't that extensive in their society. The Hohokam in Arizona had copper jewelry and had extensive trade to Mesoamerica during their civilization's height. They too had an advanced stone age civ but to my knowledge did not have bronze, had they had access to tin I am certain that they would have excelled in alloy metalurgy. Likewise Cahokia.

@absalomdraconis

5 жыл бұрын

The lack of knowledge on the tribes of the Americas is a mixture, from newest to oldest, of: 1) Historical disrespect, yes, this is the _newest_ bit; 2) The intentionally and accidentally spread plagues, turns out that the "Cities of Gold" didn't have much gold, they had roofs made of yellow grasses, and disappeared because the guy that found them brought some plague; and 3) In the last 2000 years, the central & eastern areas of North America have gone through civilizational collapses _twice_ - hard to get famous if the world ends every few centuries, Alexander would be no better understood than Orion.

@alexn.2901

5 жыл бұрын

They do know their history.

Very interesting, looks like regarding tools and arms they used obsidian more because it was abundant and very sharp

Nice video

Great vid... other Emperor.

Could you one day make a video about the Pre-Inca empires of Wari and Tiahuanaco? his story is so mysterious

Great video, as always. Just one thing though. At 5:23 you say that they did have tin in Peru but that dot is in Bolivia. Something doesn't match up here.

Cool video

Asking the real questions!

13 views 1 like 1 commen- wait wtf these stats are what are to be expected from the amount of views this video has

@CoffeeSuccubus

5 жыл бұрын

No one cares

Nice background music.

could you do something about the maximum temperatures different cultures could achieve and when ? who first got to 1000C or 2000C or 3000C or 4000C and how well could they regulate temp its one thing to occasionally flare up to 1700C and a vary different thing to be able to consistently get to 1000c and then hold at that temp for say an hour after all

Great video man, what music did you use for this?

Saw you on polidice's video!

Your channel is why KZread exists for!

Towsends has a great video on axes demonstrating how fine-tuned stone technology was in North America

4:13 are you sure that picture depicts meso-america? The second person from the left wears a typical yayoi-haircut from the early japanese culture.

The system is overrated. We are all so influenced by the ancient and outdated concept of the “stone age-bronze age-iron age” progression of human technology that it clouds our common sense and frames humanity in very limited ways. It didn't stop American civilizations from developing highly complex solutions for their environmental and practical problems. Some examples: 1) armor in much of Mesoamerica was made of layered fabric. The Spaniards adopted it and called it Escaupil which is a loan from the Nahuatl Ichcahuipilli. This could be very thick and often reached the knees or lower. You can imagine when infantry marched in rainy conditions, it only made the armor stronger since the tensile strength of cotton increases when wet. Alternatively it was soaked in brine and filled with rock salt. I assume the Andeans used similar solutions since their textiles were already highly advanced. 2) The Inka empire or Tawantinsuyu was full of suspension bridges and these were made not of stone but of woven grass. The ropes were as thick as a man's torso and could withstand the comings and goings of an empire's inhabitants. Bridge reparation was a tribute demand for locals. 3) Some Maya cities treated water by filtering it through sand and storing it in enormous reservoirs and underground tanks. In the case of Yax Mutul (Tikal), the lime concrete paved plazas, roads, and even buildings served as water catchment systems to funnel rainwater to these reservoirs and tanks. There was a switching system which distributed water to different parts of the city and hinterlands as needed. These are a few examples.

@chrisr6142

5 жыл бұрын

@@boocehop8500 Nah, they did. No draft animals to make it practical, though. Human power was more efficient in those circumstances.

@MajoraZ

5 жыл бұрын

@@boocehop8500 Mesoamerican toys have wheels and axels, and they were used for pottery production. Their entire calaneder system was conceptialuzed as a series of concentric and interlocking wheels/cogs as well; and they may have used wheeled siege towers (hard to say, since we only know of siege towers in mesoamerica from a single mural). They understood the mechanical properties of wheels, they just didn't have much use for them in terms of transportation given the lack of beasts of burden and the arduous terrain in the region.

@justiceforjoggers2897

5 жыл бұрын

I'd say that these "Ages" should stick with its application of Eurasia, because that's where it's based upon. The empires in the Americas had some neat concepts going for them earlier, but yet they were squished much, much later from firearms to diseases.

@onismklexos

5 жыл бұрын

Do you know of any books/resources with more information about the Americas and their technology? Thank you for sharing in these comments! This is very interesting and new to me :)

@rogeriopenna9014

5 жыл бұрын

it's interesting, because some videos from channels talking about medieval armor say padded armor was usually better than mail, scale or leather.

The island named after copper (or vice versa) has no indication of copper on the map. Interesting

@baronofbahlingen9662

5 жыл бұрын

Darrin Coleman Which are you referring to? I’m very curious.

@nyrrad4969

5 жыл бұрын

@@baronofbahlingen9662 The map at 2:35 shows no copper for Cyprus. The map could be a modern survey of copper and tin. In that case Cyprus would not register because the majority of copper is gone now. Many empires, especially Rome, drained the mines.

Just me hypothesizing; there could've been an early cultural split involved between the ancestors of Eurasians and of Americans, where the former preferred to use copper for tools, and the latter preferred to use stone, obsidian, wood, and other preexisting materials for tools.

Just a note, the "Mayan" altar stone that you showed is actually Aztec from Teotihuacan. Other than that it was great video.

Northern N America did have copper from the big mine on Isle Royale off the Northern Peninsula of Michigan. My family and I vacationed there in the U.P. There are copper artifacts in museums from the Mound Builders. Incidentally, there are still some mounds in places such as Michigan and Upstate New York. In New York there are also some very old looking stone caerns, etc. And then there's always America's Stonehenge.

@rosemcguinn5301

5 жыл бұрын

P.S> you were right about the Maya.

Hey, at 4:12 and 6:05...isn't that an artist's rendering of Late Yayoi/Kofun Japan? With the thatched roofs, rice harvesting, and double knot hairstyle?

Great 👍 except civilizations in the Americas did arise at the same time actually as the others... Norte Chico and that area (cities like Huaricanga, Caral, Cerro Sechin etc.) arose from 3000-5000 BCE or even earlier, and new findings suggest Mayas, Isthmian Mexicans, and Southeast USA had civilizations going up to 3000-4000 BCE as well. - Middle Eastern civilization and its extensions (Mesopotamia, Mediterranean, North Africa, Anatolia...) arose around that time period. - Chinese civilization arose around 2000 BCE. So yeah..

@lolailo2199

5 жыл бұрын

Whats ur flags about?

@MajoraZ

4 жыл бұрын

My understanding is that Caral and the Norte Chico are better described as stuff analogous to Gobleki Tepe rather then as urban state socities like sumer; and I don';t know what findings with the Maya and isthmians you are referencing are.

@spider-mv6442

8 ай бұрын

Chinese civilization is a LOT older than that, lol.

Good video, but a nitpick. The sunstone seen on the right at 7:11 is actually Mixtec not Mayan.

Dear Tigerstar great video. The only thing that was left out was the Purepecha Indians of the State of Michuacan Mexico. They are also wrongfully called the Tarasco Indians. They actually had Brass weapons and armor, since that state is abundant in Zinc. Since Zinc and Copper make Brass, which would be considered another version of Bronze. And they did also do some Bronze as well.

thank you

You misused a picture of Japanese bronze age in representation of mesoamerica

@cherryslat5702

5 жыл бұрын

Prof pic checks out

Wasn't tin primarily gathered from the northern Afghanistan and the region around modern Cornwall? The Map seems not to show Afghanistan's deposits which were among the most important sources of the time.

We were so close to the Tarascans getting mentioned

The world’s earliest copper smelting was c. 5000BC in Belovode, a Vinča culture site in eastern Serbia. They also had Bronze before India or the Middle-East. I have no idea why so many people neglect to mention them when summarising the history of metallurgy.

I like the background music - it's very relaxing. What is it?

You need more subs

The Americans were in the Bronze age before European conquest. They made arsenic copper mixtures in the North where it was more plentiful then the techniques diffused Southward.

interesting enough there is steel slag in the hope mound builder ruins in eastern American and bronze and copper swords can be found on the coasts of the great lakes

A question about when you discussed where tin came from during the ancient/ middle eastern bronze age. While agreed most tin was traded as there were very few deposits in the middle east (mainly turkey) you stated it was traded from Europe (2:47). Now I had made a video about the bronze age civilizations collapse in 1177 BC, my source Eric Cline, Ph.D. states that most of the tin came from Afghanistan. He also cast heavy doubt on it coming from Europe, specifically Cornwall. Here is the link to his full presentation but the time stamp is 17:18 kzread.info/dash/bejne/lIaX14-yo9LJiJc.html . I am just kind of curious on your response, as if I'm incorrect I may need to correct my video. still, a very good video, thank you. - The International Historian

Northern Wisconsin and Michigan played their role as Copper mining regions prior to the Climate Catastrophe of 1177-1172 BC, the Northern Ragnarok of the 5 years of Winter [Irish Bog Oak research studies]. They had no source of Tin. See "Bronze Age America" by Barry Fell (Author). Norse inscriptions at Peterborough, CA and smelted Copper Ox-hide molds have been found by researchers.

I've never seen any channel do an honest "Europe before the Middle East" type of video. Over the past 7 years there's been countless ancient genetics papers on ancient remains that offer a correct take on world history instead the now obsolete takes of cultural diffusion, etc. So around 10,000 years ago people from the Middle East settled Europe and brought things like agriculture and livestock with them, changing Europe forever. Over thousands of years they also completely replaced the supposed 'indigenous' 'Europeans' and by 5000 BC they were all but gone. A video of technological achievements (if any) _before_ people from the Middle East arrived around 10,000 years ago would be interesting.

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This was the best video amongst the bunch. I appreciate how it attacked the euro / asian centric view of the bronze age and shed light on other zones of technological advance such as sub-saharan Africa & the Americas. P.S West Africa is Sub-Saharan....

what is the source on "wrecked chinese ships gave the NW access to iron"? because i've never heard of anything like that.

Yeah, sure arsenic can make bronze, but classically tin with cooper. Well some NA had copper, not so much tin. Well that effects first if ...then if, what you can use it for. If what do what you need with wood and stone does what you need, or figure out copper and tin make something special...well then wouldn't necessarily have a reason to have a bronze age. Silver and gold are much easier to work with for what they used metal for.

Bronze working in Southern Africa appears to have began sometime in the early 2nd millennium A.D. and is often associated with socio-politically complex, elite centers like Mapungubwe, Bosutswe and Great Zimbabwe. While copper appears to have been mined and worked since the Early Iron Age (200-900 A.D.), the earliest tin mining and working dates to between 1000-1300 A.D. (see Bandama et al., 2015). This activity is associated with Eiland ceramic producers at sites like Rooiberg in present-day South Africa. This tin was then traded with communities like Mapungubwe (in present day Northern South Africa), Bosutswe (in present day Botswana) and Great Zimbabwe (in present day Zimbabwe) where bronze was manufactured.

@culterwaleddy

5 жыл бұрын

You mean second century AD?

@Jordan84172

5 жыл бұрын

@@culterwaleddy no, early second millennium A.D. Roughly 1000-1300A.D. The second century A.D. is 101-200 A.D.

Hey, I know it's not very likely that you will read this comment and I know this question isnt relevant to this video but I was wondering what program you used for all of the war every day videos because I wanted to mess around with the program, if anyone else know please say so. Thank You

In Peru when we're taught stone-bronze-iron age concepts it only applies to the Old World. We definitely use other periodization for our precolumbian history

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The island of Cyprus was also a major deposit of tin for the Middle East in the Bronze Age

6:08 Dued, that picture is Prehistoric Japan.

The volume for this video compared to the others in the bronze age play list is much lower. Do you know why?

from the tin mines in south America, to the copper mines in Michigan yes i think it did ../

I study ancient near eastern history, and from what I've been told, it's not really certain where it came from. The most predominant answer you'd get is that the tin for mesopotamia came from modern day afghanistan. But there seem to deposits of tin in eastern anatolia as well, though it is uncertain if they were used in the BA. There's also tin from Great Britain, but that seemed to have more importance for the later euoprean civilizations, if i remember correctly

There were tin deposits in central asia. Peoples there were trading tin with the middle east and greece

0:19 nice intro

7:03 the calendar is aztec not mayan... please know the difference.

Honestly, whether or not a Culture/Group built Cities is a better indicator of advancement.