If Jim spent more time actually listening to Danny instead of simping for Simon, these debates would be a lot more productive.

@stevenjordan6529

9 ай бұрын

Yeah hes one wae Jim

@effkay3691

9 ай бұрын

Yep. All he wants to do is create controversy where it doesn’t exist. What Danny was saying was simple logic.

@petercharles2347

9 ай бұрын

Simon is great tho

@85hixy83

9 ай бұрын

Yip

Danny is spot on. Jim White clearly has a personal issue with Danny. He was unprofessional and oppressive in this video. Talksport should ensure Jim apologises to him,. Very awkward watch.

@stevenjordan6529

9 ай бұрын

Spot on with that. He boils my blood. Hes Simons bumboy

@iainchisholm17

9 ай бұрын

Snowflake. Danny was right. Jim was sturring the pot. Go and take ur HR issues elsewhere.

Jim White is such a cheerleader

Jim could not be further up simons back side

I feel like Simon and Jim are being contrarian for the sake of just arguing with Danny. Danny’s argument is clear - he understands Howard’s reasoning behind releasing the audio but finds it pointless because the damage has already been done.

The problem is constant errors. That’s not just down to human error. It’s incompetence

@jacobturner8965

9 ай бұрын

It baffles me how they can throw that excuse out there.. like isn't that what Var's been brought in for? If you've got 4 people who look at it and all come to the wrong decision, that's not human error 😂

Jim has to be the most infuriating presenter on the channel. He just try’s to stir and make his voice heard when he sees a discussion going one way and leans on whoever’s winning.

@davidgray6232

9 ай бұрын

He's shocking

@docholiday-lm4vf

9 ай бұрын

Agreed but simon did nit win this.

@mitchyruns7818

9 ай бұрын

@@docholiday-lm4vf don’t think there is a winner, can see both sides. As a fan, I don’t want to even know the officiating is there if you get me, it’s the best league in the world so the reffing should be almost faultless. But coming out and doing all these shows and having refs trying to become celebrities on TV just makes it talked about more and more. They need to just learn from the mistakes and stop them happening again. This example is so bad it’s actually laughable.

@docholiday-lm4vf

9 ай бұрын

Anyone who defends the refs currently is a loser. There is not one other sport in this country were we speak about var and shocking ref decisions more than the actual match. Simon slaughters players every week who dont preform, he destroys managers who don’t preform but refs he defends. Var he defends and says they are trying there best and its human errror….. Hypocrite and danny is absolutely spot on here. Danny did not even say all decisions should be perfect but he and most pundits rightly so are saying these decisions where 99% of people agree on need to stop! And simon saying its pundits going after refs unfairly 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@MrLewbaah

9 ай бұрын

Jim Shite

This defending shocking refs every week has completely put me off simon as a pundit. Danny is not saying every decision should be perfect but he is saying there is shocking decisions every week that 98% of people would get right

@kriissyy09ify

9 ай бұрын

And to call fans entitled because we dare want transparency in a game where we pay ridiculous amounts of money to watch, how dare the fans want that. Guy is the face of the prawn sandwich brigade, so out of touch with the average fan

@x_MVP

9 ай бұрын

If he’s not defending refs he’s defending Daniel Levy

Didn’t Mike Dean consciously make the wrong decision to protect his mate?

4:00 danny actually beat them both here, they had to backtrack and say well ok not you specifically. Releasing the audio was pointless.

Persistent, major mistakes is not human error. Like Danny said, it's incompetence.

Danny is spot on they should just apologize and correct their mistake next time. No need showing us how they manage to make a bad decision even with technology to reply and review incidents in different angles

I can see why Danny Murphy is getting frustrated. These 2 muppets just don’t get it.

might be a good idea if jim and simon actually allow danny time to answer,instead of constantly butting in

Watch Jim ogling Simon then tell him he's right every 2 minutes 😂

@ginaza9767

9 ай бұрын

Is jim a woofter?

@Trenchslammer588

9 ай бұрын

@@ginaza9767 I'd say fan boy 😂

@BennyEggs...

9 ай бұрын

@@ginaza9767 woofter is not used enough these days.

The human error argument is such a cop out. There should be no mistakes from VAR officials. They know the rules and they have the cameras and replays to get every decision correct.

@cully84

9 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t say literally no mistakes but I agree. Far too many week in week out. There always gonna be the odd mistake even if VAR was successful

It will be absolute chaos and we’ll learn how clueless these VAR officials are

Gary O'Neil had an apology after the game, but the yellow card he was shown for protesting against the decision was not revoked!

I agree with Danny in the sense that we all would probably learn or understand more from close calls made, not from the howlers...

Im with Danny on this one , stop making obvious mistakes and focus on getting the right thing correctly rather than the optics of it. You hold the pgmmol accountable and by default the reffs stop protecting your mates and people stop berating refs if they get things wrong because it feeds this issue

@zaki9987

9 ай бұрын

But to question var is just dumb, because technology gets it right it's it job , humans are the ones who makes mistakes

@docholiday-lm4vf

9 ай бұрын

Everyone agrees with danny here

Simon completely missed Dannys point about the cheating missus. Danny was talking about after the fact, an apology does naff all

"I agree with Simon" Jim never change 😂

@gambaownsus

9 ай бұрын

ofc, he's the main man in talksport. staying with the winners. not so long ago, he was against him so bad bcz it was the trendy thing in talksport. he follows wherever it benefits him lmao

Just look at the amount of VAR controversies you guys talk about every single week, surely that tells you that they are incompetent as it’s not just one-offs. Your own videos prove Danny’s point.

DANNY SPEAKING FACTSSSS

Good job Danny for not allowing Jordan and White to run away with this argument. lol

Danny was based through this entire session and the TS crew's constant contrarianism and vapid lines of questioning were incredibly tiresome.

What is this argument even about? Talksport trying to transparently turn everything into an fight gets really tedious.

@kadarabdullahi

9 ай бұрын

For the click bait titles "Intense Debate!!"

@redmed10

9 ай бұрын

That's what a 24 hours a day channel has to do. These presenters have to be paid for. They need advertisers and advertisers need viewers and viewers prefer car crash TV.

Jim rode into work on his high horse this morning again I see

I hate to say it as an Englishman, but our refs are absolutely awful. So many mistakes that are so simple, it is ridiculous.

@user-wn2gt3vo9n

9 ай бұрын

mate you aint got a clue what your talking about, watch european leagues and you gonna realise that our refs are way above the average

@lanceyt4401

9 ай бұрын

Nah English refs are trash been like that for years...

@dennispepperack2973

9 ай бұрын

Mate - have said it for years, the crapfest in the PL simply doesn't happen in any other major league in UEFA. The FA should be embarrassed! All the best from Tampa...

@ninmu

9 ай бұрын

@@user-wn2gt3vo9n There is not a single referee in the Eredivisie worse than what you lot have, that's for sure. And yours get paid a small fortune to do their job.

@AM2K2

9 ай бұрын

You haven't seen La Liga

Still haven't seen or heard about Mac Allister red card or Klopp/Tierney audio from last season calling Klopp as a lair. Howard Webb & PGOL should all be gone Manc Fund Organisation.

@sammybeck4855

9 ай бұрын

LFC Spectre = Top LAD Proper Clobber

Is it just me or is Jim white getting more annoying by the day, Danny is correct there have been some absolute howlers this season that VAR should of 100% made it not possible

Incompetence and corruption.

Talksport defend referees at every turn 🤣

@josephkerrigan733

9 ай бұрын

Just Simon & Jim. They get paid to defend them and insist incompetence is just a small mistake.

@docholiday-lm4vf

9 ай бұрын

It’s unreal. It has put me right off simon

Jim needs a sin-bin, honestly, let Danny get a word in... Discussion was chaos because Jim wouldn't even TRY to get the point.

Give it to them Danny boy

Murphy not allowed his say at all. This was terrible- it wasn't a debate but simply two men ganging up on another and interrupting him constantly before he can even get his point made.

What’s the point in releasing the audio 4 weeks later, release it on a Monday or Tuesday after that weekends games

How can almost everyone at home watching games live see what the correct decisions are but the people on the pitch with the most tech and four other officials in their ear get it wrong so many times🥴

why does jim constantly overtalk people all the time effin irritating

Can we hear the audio of the clear handball from JWP v Luton...."clear handball paul, but its luton...we aint giving them FA all season"

Why accept continued incompetence?

I don’t understand what the issue is. They do this in rugby. It’s part of the game. Knowing how they got to the decision is better than not knowing and spending so much time speculating how they came to the decision.

The howler was when Mike Dean didn't want to acknowledge pulling cuccurella by his hair, "to protect his referee mate".

Wow..the intensity!

The game is over officiated, way too many rules and vague laws. Half these officials now think they're celebrities, podcasts and articles and punditry, and they either contradict each other all over the place or plead the 5th and start covering for their mates. Sick of refs and VAR, how about they just put their heads down and do their jobs properly, and let's have simple rules, the game shouldn't be this hard to officiate.

1. Get rid of the "clear and obvious error" rule. 2. Give each team 6 tokens per game to ask the referree team to review a decision using the video replay tools. 3. This removes the fear by the VAR that they are dropping the referee in the mire by asking them over to review a decision....because the teams will be making the appeal. 4. The limit on video replay tokens would limit the potential for teams to use this as a tactic

as far as offside goes just do it old skool so if your body (torso) is level than your onside, doing fingers, hands, feet or whatever has ruined it, linesman could manage it when if your level your level, plus they still mess it up with VAR anyway

Tottenham vs Liverpool with that horrendous VAR referee perfectly implies to what Danny Murphy saying about incompetent officials!

Danny boy is spot on

Jim is like Simon's lapdog

Fans will always find something to complain about...

If i was Danny murphy i would've put Jim White to sleep. What a melt

Officials must be respected . Period.

Simon we're not looking for 100% accurate decisions 100% of the time, we're looking for better referees. the same people consistently make the same mistakes. the tech makes no difference, and showing them work it out just highlights the fact they're not very good at their jobs

Murphy: If your partner cheats on you.. White: 😮

goal line camera and a buzz to the ref is all they need ... everything else down to the ref as before ...

Simon Jordan as always changing the point 😂

Jim is the human equivalent of a laggy wifi connection

CLASHING everyday talksport

So putting out the recording after the games that make sense 🤔

One ref gave interview to Simon and SJ is now in VAR’s pocket..

Its not hard to understand what danny is saying and yet jim is acting like hes talking another language

Listening to Simon Jordan defending referees who come up with unjustifiable error after error every week has got me wondering, Is Simon Jordan into football or he's just into talking🤔

It just sounds like absolute chaos, ref going crazy and arguing with each other. I'd rather play stop for a few minutes and get added on at the end of the game than rushed decisions

Well said Danny.

Look at rugby. We hear what the ref says to VAR in real time. We hear the process and the reasoning and although there are mistakes,there are far less and its far less contentious

Danny hypothesising intergrity murphy

Correct the mistakes by making the hard done team whole. Even if you have to do it after the fact. Look at McAllister's red card. It was rescinded a few days later.

Danny wants to understand nuanced decisions. He’s not looking to shame a bad call

In Euro 2020 we didn’t see or hear VAR decisions, we just knew it was being looked at. Only after the decision was made and the game had carried on did we go back to the VAR moment - no influence or obscuring via a fan’s subjective perception

Jim is the biggest kiss up to Simon.....in Jim eyes he's never wrong 🤣😂🤣....Danny have the valid point in this argument

Let’s pretend to have an argument for 10 minutes…

Can we all just bin the idea of apologizing for mistakes? Clearly the mistake is all that matters because an apology won't go back in time and fix the problem.

Murphy got tag teamed by two blokes tryna wind him. Poor fella, as an ex professional, was just sounding off about VAR and the ref's not communicating, and decisions being against the game of football. Fair play to him!

It’s getting worse under Howard Webb, let’s have it right!!!

A speed camera does a better job!

Jordan corporate yes man. Mike dean is also honorable to him.

Most people working in the VAR have no clue about football …

Var is there to stop mistakes not make mistakes . Which proves that we do not need var

I love how Andy Robertson's Simon's go to example, for daring to almost be elbowed by an official.

Fully agree with Danny! If Simon and Jim actually listen to what he says they might actually understand rather than just shout over him

Danny Murphy is knowledgeable and eloquent in what he says, shame they never let him speak

Dialogue is always beneficial. It's how you learn.

For once Danny is right. We cocked up... and this is how we did it! What's the point. We need the audio being played AS IT HAPPENS! Rugby does it, cricket does it, why is football different? 😠

I can think of two solutions: 1] A panel of three personel vote on each VAR decision. The assumption being if one idiot doesn't give the correct decision, then the other two would be able to save him from his incompetentcy. This also helps against personal bias these refs have against certain clubs. 2] English refs should do VAR for another league and say La Liga refs should do ours. They wouldn't be able to "save my mate" ala mike dean or have to fear the abuse either. Or perhaps a mix of both, a panel of an english/german/spanish refs that vote. At least then the continental refs could outvote the incompetent english officials.

Hats off to Danny for keeping a mostly level head while being prodded with the typical bullish stick employed to garner viewership

Danny is contradicting himself on this one. He has said on several occasions that referees should come out and explain their decisions but now he says he doesn't want to hear how they made the decision

When you hear a VAR official say, I didn’t instruct the referee to take a look at the monitor because he was having a really tough game and I thought I would help out a mate then yes I would like to hear the audio to understand why a referee came to a decision. I’m paying money to watch a football game and if my team is not awarded a penalty when it looks from every angle a penalty then yes I want to know why that referee came to that conclusion, then maybe I will understand and not give the referees so much stick at the end of the game.

Scrap VAR the same mistakes are being made!!

I wanna hear the Mike Dean one

They are looking at video, right there and then for minutes and they're blatantly cheating, it's video? There's no errors, it's there, right in front of them

Strange that none of you mentioned or tried to explain away, the very worst case of VAR from alst season, how that geezer who totally forgot to even draw the line in the Arsenal v Brentford game! Who only after the subsequent fury, 'walked' away, ushered out the back door to quell the ever increasing intensity of an explanation. Drawing the line is how you establish whether it was on/offside. To put milk in the fridge you have to open the (closed) fridge door, forget to open the door, the milk doesn't go in the fridge, so forget the draw the line, it can't be offside. So until clubs are permitted to bring a legal case against the likes of that VAR official, nothing will change! As an Arsenal fan, I recall the atrocious decisions that continally went against us v UTD, during the Keane/Vieria era, so much so Wenger even called one 'Dishonest' on the touchline during the game. When the REF dared him to say it again, Wenger did and was dutily banned/fined as a shut your mouth! Don't try and challenge our UNchallengerables. Interesting the REF never brought legal action against Wenger, for such a slanderous allegation, but then if he did, AFC would have all the slow-mo video evidence of what Wenger was basing his allegations on, presented to the court, which via the media, would be also seen by the footballing world. And he would have to under oath and under pressure from a highly skilled Billionaire's Barrister. 20+ years ago I remember seeing it used succesfully for Cricket, Tennis, Rugby, why only recently for football? Why did football resist VAR for so long? Let's have you 3 debaters debating that next time, but honestly and frankly or don't bother.

This conversation shows where footballers have their brains .... "In their boots"

Last ten seconds, simon calls out Jim, look at his face and he finally starts giving his hmm hmm i agree daddy sounds, he played a howler here

Why is Jim so offended by the word “incompetence”

Jim White sounds belligerent, an insufferable pundit. Danny Murphy needs to host his own segment.

Jimmy loves the sound of Simon's voice more than his own.

Poor quality refs before VAR. Now poor quality refs with help of VAR.. what is the point?

Why not use a similar system to what most Rugby leagues use? Audible conversations between VAR refs and on pitch refs, viewed on screen, and utterly transparent. Seems like they've already handled the major objection to doing this, the time it may take, by actually keeping track of stoppages in play. Am I crazy or do they already have a model they could adopt and tweak?

This back and forth helped us to get to know that some of Talksport's funds come from the PGMOL🤷