I attend a Independent Baptist church, our teachings are base from the Bible, I think there's nothing wrong with Baptist church, church or religion can not save you but a relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus is the only way to heaven John 14:6

I'm enjoying the entire Ready To Harvest series that is clearing up a lot of things for me. Thank you.

i must say you are the most informed on church beliefs of any site i have come across so far

@jamesreed5678

2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking he had to have called these churches and talked to their pastors to get some of this information. Church websites are usually seriously lacking in basic information about a church and its leaders.

@edwardhill7045

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesreed5678 yes for you have to talk to someone not afraid to say what you believe.

@user-er9zc8ni1s

6 күн бұрын

All these heretical 21st century bible cults are satanic. 66 book KJV bible alone heresy was invented in the 17th century by satanic proties in western EUROPE. these bible cults are not chrsitian, but heretical. you guys call yourselves Christians, but actually, you all are heretics. you guys are the wolves in sheep's clothing deceiving Christ's true flock (apostolic Christians). you guys are going to hell and dragging more souls, specially poorly catechized and uneducated true Christians (catholics) to hell with you. sadly our apostolic Christians here in SL (latin Catholics) are uneducated of their faith, so it is easier for them to get deceived by these bible cults. true christians are only the apostolic chrsitians. not protestants or americanzed evengelicals/// true christians: 1. Eastern Orthodox 2. Latin Catholics 3. Eastern Catholics 4. Assyrian church of the east 5. Oriental Orthodox etc false, heretical satanic cult beleivers: 1. Anglicans -> Anglicanism is the King Henry's wh***. 2. Lutherans --> Followed a random excommunicated german monk 3. methodists 4. presbyterians 5. Baptists -> This is the leapord like beast described in the book of Daniel 6. 7th day advesntists ---> satanic cult 7. Americanized evengelicals ----> satanic pawns 8. Pentacostals -> no need to talk about these blasphemers. these ppl are blasphemeing against the holy spirit. they are not getting born by holy spirt. but get possed by demons 9 JW's satanic witneseees 10. mormons -> beezlebub followers.

That was a very good video. Great job, and God bless you and your Ministry! 😎👍✝️❤🇺🇸

Excellent and objective as always!

Thank you for teaching us.

Jesus alone is the way the truth and the Life. we must be disciples of Christ. God bless you all

@janusn9

Ай бұрын

Amen

Thank you so much for your informative work. I really enjoy watching these episodes. I work in an Independent Baptist church in the Philippines and have started to encourage my students (we have a Christian school and girls' home) to watch as well to learn more and be better equipped for soul winning.

@Gospel_Street_Preacher

6 ай бұрын

A Independent Baptist misleads people into *repeating* a "sinner's prayer" then pronounces that person "saved". Talk about giving people a false hope of salvation 😮😢

Thank you for the information!

Thanks for your helpful videos. Subscribing. Keep them up.

Informative! Thank you for sharing!

Super clear explanation! Thanks!

Great video. That summary of bible church beliefs essentially parallels the Open Brethren, the only key differences being the brethren emphasis on plurality of eldership with general lack of a pastor, and emphasis on the weekly Lord's Supper with 'open' (participatory unscripted) worship - did you find these practices in bible churches also?

Psalms 104:33 [33]I will sing unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.

Do you have a video talking about the differences between the North American Baptist Conference and other Baptist conferences and independents?

Very little that distinguishes Open Brethren fellowships in the Bible chapel vein from the Bible churches and a lot of crossover between them sharing the same doctrine and ethos.

I was raised in military Christian home, we moved a lot and went to many different churches. I have been a part of: southern Baptist, independent Baptist and Bible churches (non-denominational). All comparisons are true. These three look and feel very similar with some slight differences.

@robertscofield7845

2 жыл бұрын

Now that you’re grown, where did you end up? Which one do you attend now? Just curious…

FWIW, Prof. Dwight Pentecost was given here as DTS present staff. He died April 28, 2014 and Chuck Swindoll and other noteable's gave a very touching memorial. See "Dr. Dwight Pentecost Memorial Service" (DTS May 2014)

I attended an Independent Methodist school growing up - I think they were just the Methodist version of the IBC - they were very concerned the IBC didn't think we had a 1611 KJV around. I never bothered arguing with them, they were the best education in town my family could afford. Even today, my cousin works for the local public school system and sends his kids to that school. Anyway, they are in close relationship with Bob Jones and Pensacola Christian - which are super conservative colleges. One of my classmates was sent to PCA, basically against her will, and she ran off after a few months. I used to refer to the IFCA as "I Fight Christians Anywhere" since they were rather antagonistic with other groups.

@user-rq2gm3xb2u

6 ай бұрын

Jason Methodist falls to the category of work based salvation.

I'm 64 and spent my life in Freewill Baptist Churches........We are fiercely independent here in Southern WV and the children and grandchildren of Coal Miners....The greatest insurrection since the Civil War took place near here (the battle of Blair Mountain) and Devil Lance Hatfield (of Hatfield & McCoy fame) is buried a few miles from where I live.....There are little churches everywhere here in these old coal mining communities....I've never known a Pastor or fellow Deacon that ever went to a Seminary or Bible college

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

Now there's a video topic, free will baptist vs once saved always saved baptist.

@Joshua: Where could I find a list of the 1/3 of IBC's who DON'T require strict adherence to the the KJV?

@ReadyToHarvest

Ай бұрын

Look here. Pick a state. Scroll to the bottom, churches in red are not KJV only. militarygetsaved.tripod.com/findachurch0.html

Praise God for the greatest pastor of all time then, Kent Hovind.

Most Independent Baptist churches (and I've been in A LOT if them) believe in a universal church, although Landmark/Baptist Brider churches don't. I grew up in a Bible church that was baptistic in belief and am now Independent Baptist.

@jamesreed5678

2 жыл бұрын

I've often heard that IFB churches do not believe in a universal church. But, the universal church necessarily exists (the sum of Believers, regardless of local congregation), so I don't know why any IFB would say it doesn't exist. I wonder if your experience reflects changing attitudes among IFB.

@actionsub

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesreed5678 I heard a lot of that growing up in the Southern Baptists too. A lot of that "no universal church" thinking came out of the idea that Baptist churches are fiercely congregational in rule...especially in contrast to the Big Bad of fundy baptists: the Roman Catholic Church. Even though they may belong to denominations and associations to facilitate mission work, they would teach that each individual congregation is "the church"

@michaelhuffman6429

2 жыл бұрын

I'm IFB, I do not agree with Baptist Briders. I'm not ashamed of what I believe, I am a Baptist, but I'm not so narrow to think only Baptist will go to Heaven, anybody who accepts Jesus Christ in their heart as their personal Saviour will go to Heaven

@Derekmartin20

Жыл бұрын

Are you saying Universal church as all truly saved by Grace around the world and going to Heaven.

it's hard to compare to "Bible Church" because one really has nothing to do with the other and generally depends more on what group the founders came out of. In NC, when looking for a M.A.D church to attend I found one under the name of Bible church but quickly found out that other Bible churches were completely different and completely unrelated in beliefs etc.

I attended Calvary for a year. All but baptist (Calvinist) in practice even if it's technically nondenominational.

@jamesreed5678

2 жыл бұрын

In my experience, non-denominational churches are usually based on calculations for maximum popularity. These means they're Baptist in doctrine (Baptist doctrines are the most popular) and "modern" in worship style (drums, jeans, no Christian decor).

The idea that the baprist church goes back to the NT is more closely tied to "Landmark-ism" which a schismatic view from the SBC.

Went to all three up those Bible churches in Cedar Rapids.

This is pretty accurate but did you only sample the large churches ? Large churches can be great but they have more outside pressures and are more easily influenced to conform to forced cultural morality consepts and abandon the original veiws of the church. They typically have more liberal pastors.

Do independent Baptists also rebaptize if someone is baptized by immersion, but in the name of Jesus Christ, rather than “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”?

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

They don't do it themselves, and would in most all cases reject the baptism from anyone who did so. For example, they would ask where you were baptized, and if it was a oneness pentecostal church or other Jesus-baptizing church they wouldn't accept the baptism. A transfer wouldn't necessarily be asked what formula was used, but due to who would baptize that way and who wouldn't, such a baptism would be caught and rejected. And if there's a whiff of something wrong, the tendency is to baptize rather than risk leaving someone with invalid baptism.

@borisvandruff7532

3 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest Perfect. This answers my question. Thank you, Joshua.

I go to Trinity Bible Church in Phoenix. Some of us might drink and cuss a little.

A big difference about IFB churches is their strict usage of the KJV Bible only. Other than that, it’s a mixed bag of dress codes and other assorted legalisms (or lack thereof) that vary from church to church.

Those are places with the word Bible Church. But what's the church in the bible? Jesus Christ said upon this rock I shall build my Church. So what and who's church is going to be build on that rock?

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

All believers are the Church. It's not a building.

@jasonlighton9636

Жыл бұрын

there is more than one church mentioned in the Bible.

Just left a ifb church in Iowa. Started to feel like a cult and got out after being guilted by them so much for extra money and saying I'm going to hell if I don't go to their church. Pretty sure the pastor is narcsisst which 1 out of 3 pastors are so it spread through out the whole church who didn't leave when the new pastor came from the South very mentally abusive and and physically would of left sooner if wasn't for feeling bad leaving and knowing how the kids are being brought up.

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

That's the both the disadvantage and at the same time, the beauty of independent churches. You can leave if one has corruption, and the spread of that corruption is limited. Imagine if the leaderhip of a large denomination was corrupted. It was have a much larger sphere of influence. So, being independent is a two edged sword.

@theeolives8148

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jabberwockybird True though they got stalkerish showing up at my house and place of work but its all settled down now. Thank God that wasn't the only church here. Just the first I got involved into when first became born again I should of took more time to view things but I just hopped in head first with the first place I went to. Great thing about God is he is always showing and teaching me new things even with situations like that. It actually turned to a blessing by just making me sit and read the whole bible for myself instead of relying on others hoping to be not misled. God bless

@truenorth3077

Жыл бұрын

I totally understand. Read my post, we experienced similar stuff. And these people claim to be Christians. How deluted!!

@kdnemeth

Жыл бұрын

👍

@user-rq2gm3xb2u

6 ай бұрын

​@theeolives8148 you're not attending a church now?

I was raised Episcopalian. Got saved in 1979.

I had the misfortune of visiting an Independent Baptist church who all but insured the separation of me and my teenage son

For most of my life, I have considered baptists to be among the three categories of denominations closest to my own understanding of the Bible. I helped with the worship music of a baptist congregation an average of about twice a month for more than a year 2015-2016. Since moving to our present domicile in December of 2017, I have attended the worship services of several denominations including some baptist congregations but, each of the visits to the services of baptist congregations near here has ended promptly when the baptist pastor used the every-head-bowed-and-every-eye-closed routine so some other manipulative technique. Until now, I had assumed that "Bible Churches" were essentially the same as baptist congregations. As a result of watching this video, however, I now think if the Lord doesn't return before I have the courage to risk being a carrier for COVID-19, I may try to find a Bible church that is more like the baptist congregations with which I was acquainted before we moved here. Thanks.

@charleshillman2010

Жыл бұрын

Can you elaborate on the “every head bowed, every eye closed”.

@rogermetzger7335

Жыл бұрын

@@charleshillman2010 In the 1940s and ‘50s, I had encountered “evangelists” who, when they wanted to invite people to request baptism by raising their hands or walking to the front of the auditorium, were accustomed to telling everyone to bow their heads and close their eyes. I didn’t think much about it until I went to hear my parents’ favorite radio evangelist (and mine) in Des Moines, Iowa in the ‘50s. Someone asked him whether he ever used that technique. He said he never did. I was only in my teens at the time but I got the impression that that particular evangelist considered telling people to bow their heads and close their eyes to be a manipulative technique similar to what salesmen sometimes use, i.e. telling the prospective customer to to a series of “small” things to get them accustomed to doing as they are told so they will sign on the dotted line when the salesman tells them to do so. In the 1970s, I got acquainted with a pastor who not only didn’t tell members of his congregation to do things, he had taught the lay leaders of his congregation how to conduct worship services without telling people what to do - to bow their heads for prayer or to turn to a song in the hymnal or to stand to sing the song or to find a passage in their Bibles. Instead, everything was in the form of an invitation - and I got a strong impression that members of the congregation didn’t “expect” visitors to participate in every aspect of the worship service. I was a visitor and I felt quite free to observe instead of participating at any point in the service. In that same decade, I was introduced to a young lady whose mother had sent her and one of her brothers to a Christian boarding high school where the staff was dedicated to telling students to do things and, with the implied consent of the student’s parents, using various forms of psychological manipulation - including the every-head-bowed-and-every-eye-closed technique. Our dating led, about 1-1/2 years after we were introduced, to marriage. (We now have two children and three grandchildren.) She later told me that, when she learned that I, too, had attended a Christian boarding high school, she seriously considered breaking off dating me because she was so worried that I had been conditioned by that experience to be comfortable with preachers who use manipulative techniques. A few weeks ago, a friend of ours in the town where we live invited me to meet a new friend of hers (I play the violin and both of the women play the piano). The younger woman attends baptist services regularly and invited me to attend services where she does. The location is an hour by car from our place - which is about as far as I’m willing to drive to attend worship services - but I inquired as to whether her pastor tells people to bow their heads and close their eyes - especially if he is planning to invite people to request baptism. She says he doesn’t. Since I met that lady, the COVID-numbers in our state have started going up again so I don’t expect to attend in-person worship services until those numbers come back down again. If or when that happens, I probably won’t drive that far every week but I may at least pay a visit to that baptist congregation’s services and, if I’m satisfied that the pastor isn’t manipulative, I may attend baptist services in that lady’s home town at least occasionally.

@Gospel_Street_Preacher

6 ай бұрын

The *ask* Jesus into your heart or "repeat this *prayer* after me" is a totally false way to make converts. No salvation in *repeating* a "sinner's prayer" or *asking* Jesus into your heart

@Gospel_Street_Preacher

6 ай бұрын

The "sinner's prayer" he is referring to ​@@charleshillman2010

@rogermetzger7335

5 ай бұрын

​@@Gospel_Street_Preacher I've only been studying the Bible for myself since 1958 so I still have a lot to learn but, from my study so far, I'm under the impression that conversion (in the biblical sense of the word) is the miracle whereby a person's trust is transferred from what he though he could do to save himself to what the Lord does to save (justify, sanctify and glorify) us. I'm not uncomfortable referring to people as Christians who consider themselves Christians (with the exception of people who don't consider themselves to be sinners) but there may be a sense in which aperson isn't a Christian in the biblical sense who isn't learning (present continious tense) to trust the Lord. For that reason, I like the song: 'Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, Just to take Him at His word; Just to rest upon His promise; Just to know, Thus saith the Lord. Jesus, Jesus, how I trust Him, How I’ve proved Him o’er and o’er, Jesus, Jesus, Precious Jesus! O for grace to trust Him more. It is one thing to trust the Lord for justification (God's forgiveness). That's really important and I think, for many people, it is the first step in their Christian journey. But to give people the impression that there is nothing more to Christianity is to sell people short. A spiritual experince that never moves beyond that is going to leave multitudes vunerable to deception.

I am friends some of a people. I am in a sal. Army church myself.

The baptism by immersion is required by any one who wants to protest, dispute, debate the idea of baptism! The Pharisees who refused to be baptized by John the Baptist! The book of apostle Luke 7:28-30!!! 🤔😋😀😊 😤😲😤😥

Very informative, but failed to explained that Independent Baptist's belief in Landmarkism (the Trail of Blood, alien baptism, Baptist Bride)

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

I did mention that Independent Baptist believe in Church Succession and Bible churches don't. Landmark is a subset of church succession belief, so that difference was pointed out. (4:20) I also did mention alien baptism. (4:55)

@au7-721

2 жыл бұрын

Not all IBF churchs believe in Landmark or whats known as Baptist Briders. In fact I don't know of any Baptist that believe the Baptists only are the Bride of Christ. Baptists believe that all born again believers are the body of Christ , the church and are the bride of Christ. Personally I don't think the church is the bride of Christ. The Bible doesn't say it is anywhere in Scripture. I think Israel is the bride. But that's just me. Most Baptists would disagree with me. In my entire life I have never heard it taught that the Baptist denomination is the bride of Christ. I've never heard that taught in any Baptist church. I think that teaching is particular to the Old Landmark Baptist.

I’m confused and consequently attend no church. Better none than wrong?

@patrickmccarthy7877

4 ай бұрын

I'm an independent Christian, I prefer Bible churches.

My only problem I think I would have, just me, I'm IFB myself, not proud of all Baptists, but it's what I am. I'm a firm believer in eternal security of the believer, this is a main issue with me. I'm also a King James man, I'd have a major issue with this as well. Two issues, forgive me.

@Derekmartin20

Жыл бұрын

You are right don't be ashamed of it.

I always thought the difference between Baptists and Bible churches was that Baptists were Acts 2 Dispensationalists, and Bible churches were Mid/Late Acts Dispensationalists.

@ReadyToHarvest

4 жыл бұрын

Dallas Theological Seminary, which produces many men who start Bible churches, actually pushes Acts 2 Dispensationalism. I would not say mid or late Acts dispensationalists are a plurality within Bible churches. Many Independent Baptists claim the church started before the Book of Acts, in the Gospels, and that Christ was the pastor of that church.

@johncantrell9993

4 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest I can just say from my own experience (In a small, rural, Southern county) that all the local IFB churches are Acts 2 Dispies, (I'm IFB) and the one "Bible" is a late Acts Dispensational church. The local "New Testament Non-denominational" says the church started with Christ's ministry. I know that from my preacher's explanation on why we don't have fellowship with the Bible Church and the NT church.

@actionsub

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest Mid-Acts and late-Acts dispensationalists (aka hyper-dispensationalists) are a very small subset. Many of these churches belong to a group called Grace Gospel Fellowship, and they downplay the teachings of Jesus as belonging to Law, with the "authentic" New Testament doctrine being from Paul and the other epistle writers.

@au7-721

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest Man my experience in Independent Baptist churchs is way different than yours. I have never in my life known of an Independent Baptist church that has taught the church began before the resurrection of Christ.

@ReadyToHarvest

2 жыл бұрын

@@au7-721 here's an example: baptistbecause.com/?tract=i-am-a-baptist-because-jesus-built-a-baptist-church Edit: another example: faithsaves.net/bible-study-7/

Interesting that most are pretribulation rapture. Not one verse says as much in any clear language.

@jamesreed5678

2 жыл бұрын

Many verses clearly contradict the pretribulational rapture. Jesus tells about the tribulation for the purpose of telling His followers what to do during the tribulation. For example, He told them when they see armies surround Jerusalem, flee to the mountains. I'd even say that pretribbers are not Christians. They believe that people who reject Jesus are God's people. That's outside the tent of Christianity, which is no one belongs to the Father except through Christ, as Jesus himself expressly said.

@alvyn.lebita

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesreed5678 Can I ask why you think pre-tribbers are not Christians? I'd like to know what context you mean when you say that they believe 'that people who reject Jesus are God's people'? As someone who goes to an IFB church where the church stance is pre-trib, I've never once heard that God's people are comprised of people who have rejected Jesus. On the flip side, local church autonomy dictates that another baptist church is self-goverened in their beliefs. I've just never heard someone say anything along the lines that you stated regarding who God's people are, at least among the Baptist churches in Australia.

@jamesreed5678

2 жыл бұрын

@@alvyn.lebita In the Bible NO ONE, not one person, who doesn't have faith in God is ever called one of God's people.

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

Being pre-trib doesn't mean you believe anything specific about Jews. You are building a strawman, and using very inflamitory language against the strawman that has nothing to do with pre-trib.

@gregorybatz7297

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesreed5678 you have to look at which gospel has the teaching of fleeing your the mountains. That is not, to my memory, in all of the gospels, because some are tailored to Jewish readers, and others are not. Additionally, who, besides Jewish believers, would be around Jerusalem to see it surrounded?

I attend a Bible Church in Berlin New Hampshire. I am the only one I believe that use the King James Bible. The only reason why I go there is because it supports some of the things that I hold to. However I am more fundamental Independent Baptist than anything.

Make sure they preach on hell as well as heaven that's main test .

@combatengineer894

2 жыл бұрын

Lull 9

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

I think the preaching on Jesus is the main test. But properly teaching Heaven and Hell is good too.

@ianwilliamson2980

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jabberwockybird it's all important but all needs to be preached too.i never trust a preacher who doesn't mention hell.

Interesting… They claim to be Bible based but several of their doctrines or belief don’t have a biblical foundation

Why did you research Iowa rather than a state more like the nation as a whole? Also, since the South is the most religious portion of the USA, that factor should have been taken into consideration when looking for a state to sample. It couldn't possibly be an anti-Southern bias on your part, could it?!?!?

@actionsub

2 жыл бұрын

Bible churches tend to be more of a northern and mid-western thing. IFB is more likely to be found in the southern states.

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

"the South is the most religious portion of the USA" That sounds like southern pride (pride is a sin) Having lived in both the south and north, I can tell you, the real reason the south has so many churches is becuase they get upset and split so often.

The Evangelical Baptist Church where I go to worship God of love that he showed us his proofs of love for us by sending his only begotten son Jesus to take the "CUP OF FIERCE WRATH OF GOD " his Father in Heaven, who killed him? All of us, men born of women, by our sin!!! 😞😟😔😥😢😭😭😢

Bible Baptist Church, listen to the preaching of the Rev. Jim Billy Bob.

KJV Only and Christian liberty views, like alcohol, dress, women wearing pants, mixed swimming, modern music, and movies restrictions may be the only significant things that separates the IFB from the Bible churches, like from typical Evangelicals vs Fundamentalist and Holiness. They, Bible churches and IFB, both however, believe in this common fundamental flaw known as the "free grace" theology, which teaches that a change of heart and actions, which is real repentance, is NOT a necessary fruit of faith in Christ. This means according to both, IFB and Bible churches, carnal Christians, at worst, loses rewards in the Kingdom of God, is punished by God on this Earth, and is excluded from the 1,000 year supper of the lamb. But they still get enter the Kingdom of God on the New Earth. This view requires complicating and explaining away verses like 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Galatians 5:19-21.

@bloodboughtbigphilr8266

3 жыл бұрын

I espouse the Free Grace view and not all IFB or the Bible churches adopt and affirm it. More likely to find it in the latter and I would say largely due to the influence of Dallas Theological Seminary where many graduates go on to found or lead Bible churches. However, the Bible churches affiliated to IFCA like the EFCA and the GARBC which would be somewhere in between the Bible churches and the IFB are pretty much split on the issue. We have to remember that this dispute between Lordship Salvation and Free Grace did not originate with the IFB but moderate fundamentalists or conservative evangelicals. The Jack Hyles faction of the IFB did hold to a form of Free Grace theology as do the new IFB linked to Steven Anderson but would be unfair and misleading to connect exponents of classic Free Grace in the Bible churches to these egotistical cult leaders.

Technically independent is not a denomination.

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know what the dictionary definition of "denomination" is, but I think people tend to look more at the beliefs than the governing bodies when talking about denominations. (At least I do) Does anyone else? Isn't stuff like the teachings on Eternal Security, Baptism, Communion, the Holy Spirit, Etc. more important than whether there is a convention or a presbry or whether the pastor is elected vs appointed?

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, I guess it's better to look at a church's teachings individually than try to lump them in under a common name.

The Music is a huge difference between Bible Churches and independent f Baptist Churches and Dress IFBC are alot more Conservative . Members most of men wear suits and the Women wear Dresses. Were in A Bible Church alot of people dress exactly as they want. And Music in I F B C. Is conservative piano Hymns maybe violin once in a while a trumpet never a guitar no way Drum Bible Churches full fledge band with a modern Sound. Baptist tend to be more friendly but not very deep. Bible Churches actually try hard in teaching. But if u want con viction probly a guest speaker at I FBC. A small INFBC will challenge u more in the area of Holiness and separation. And evangilism. A Bible Church would be more inclined to plug u into Bible study and encourage you to Pray.

3:00 How can Independent Baptists state there is no universal church?

@paulchristian8271

2 жыл бұрын

The universal church doctrine is a Catholic doctrine that protestants kept. Protestants rejected many Catholic practices and some doctrines, but did not reject the Catholic church on the whole. "Catholic" means "universal". The Catholic church is the "universal" church. Protestants simply changed this Catholic doctrine to mean "all believers everywhere", instead of Catholics church followers. The problem is that the bible does not teach either doctrine. The NT refers to Moses as being in the wilderness with the "church". The OT uses the word "congregation". The bible defines the word "church" as a congregation, and the only time it refers to "all" believers in the NT as a "church" is when we have all gone to be with Christ. When you consider all of the instructional teachings to the "churches", there is no way for there to be a "universal" church on the earth today, so each church today must guard themselves against many things, including some which "most" churches are doing wrong. The problem with denominational churches is that they are just trying to be like the Catholic church, in that they dictate doctrines and practices to many churches. If they get one thing wrong, those churches cannot correct it, or "obey God". If you realize that "after the tribulation of those days" means that Christians shall "through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God", how do you get rid of the false doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture? You have to be an independent church, otherwise, how would the seven churches in Revelation do what Christ told them to do individually? When the bible says "the day will come when they will have itching ears, and shall not endure sound doctrine", we need to realize that most people who call themselves Christians have false doctrine. Jesus said "few there be that find it" in Mathew 7. The broad road is full of "Christians" who believe in works salvation. There are very few churches who preach a faith alone gospel. Repenting of your sins is works. Making Jesus the Lord of your life is works. Having to have a changed life is works. We have many false bible versions that teach works. Any bible that says "us which are being saved" in 1 Corinthians 1:18 is a bad bible, because Paul the apostle was saved, not "being saved". You are only "being saved" if you are working for your salvation in one way or another. Salvation is a "free gift". It is the "gift of God". It is "not of ourselves". It is "not of works lest any man should boast". "But to him who worketh not, but believeth in him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness".

@paulchristian8271

2 жыл бұрын

Here are a couple of documentaries that all Christians need to see. kzread.info/dash/bejne/a6Wqw5SAkdHae5M.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/d32szo9mYcqchMo.html

@jamesreed5678

2 жыл бұрын

How can Independent Baptists state [insert any IB doctrine]? The universal church, defined as the sum of believers regardless of congregation, in undeniable fact exists. And, the Bible frequently uses the word "church" in this fashion (contrary to IB claims), such as when Jesus said he'll build His church (not churches) on "this rock". I think IB are thinking two things. 1) The word translated church, ekklesia, generically means " a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place", which more strictly would be a specific congregation, not a universal church. 2) They think "universal church" is code for everyone should join the Roman Catholic church.

@paulchristian8271

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesreed5678 Church means “congregation”, at least as the Bible defines it. Moses was in the wilderness with the “church” (OT “congregation”) Jesus is building His church. All will attend on the day of the Christ, so shall we ever be with Him. You go ahead and try to figure out how all of the instructions to the “Church” are supposed to be followed in your universal church on earth. You could join the Catholic (universal) church and just shun the rest, but that would mean that you are not saved.

@jamesreed5678

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulchristian8271 I don't have the impression that Jesus means he'll have a large congregation "on the day of Christ." When he says the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it, I take that to mean Christians will be resurrected, Christians of the universal church. So many times the word church is used and it doesn't appear to mean a local congregation. The Lord added to the church daily.... Great fear came upon all the church... Great persecution against the church.... And, many more. Even your church in the wilderness example suggests something more than a gathering in one place to hear a sermon. The people were the church, whether they were meeting together or not.

I went to a IBC before. Got tired of the 1611 KJ fanaticism and left

Baptist succession...hmmmm

Let’s find the right way !! Not these

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

Bible churches follow God's word and believe in Jesus. "I [Jesus] am the way, the truth, and the life"

Different Bible titles are for different understanding of the Bible, they all mean the same!!!

@loganvaughn2413

3 жыл бұрын

False. Thousands of verses are taken out of your new bibles today. Jesus said “it is written man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of God.” Those words have to be preserved in a perfect book somewhere

Ifb kjvo. Bible churches may not be kjvo.

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

Mentioned at 2:20

@jerrynkathy

3 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest I was trained in an IFCA Bible College that allowed both modern and traditional formal equivalent translations (with the NIV least used of all). I'm curious to know if the Bible Church that uses the KJV from the pulpit has a Mid-Acts Dispensationalist pastor. It would be beyond rare for that pastor to be a KJV Bible believer and not Mid-Acts.

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

@@jerrynkathy That one Happens to Be Aurora Avenue Bible Church in Des Moines. They are a member of IFCA. I made no claim about them having any particular view of the KJV, I doubt that they are "KJV Only", but they use it from the pulpit. They are not Mid-Acts.

Soteriology?!?

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

Are you asking what that means or what Bible churches teach? Soteriology - study of the doctrine of salvation. (Yes, that is a lot wider than the question of Eternal security)

Local only ecclesiology does not sound biblical.

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

Physical or spiritual? The belief of independents is that the building is not the church. All believers everywhere (not just locally) are the Church.

@philipmorgan5500

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jabberwockybird I used to belong to a IFB church. The pastor heavily discouraged members from associating with any Christians from outside our local church. Especially if they are not IFB. 3 John is the apostle John's condemnation of local only ecclesiology. Jesus said, "by this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if you have love for one another." I wish it wasn't so. 😒

So basically they are baptists

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

Or, Baptists are actually Bible believing churches 🤔

@jasonlighton9636

Жыл бұрын

They are neither. Most churches that use the name "Bible" church is to seperate themselves form any particular group. Their views can be so far from each other that anyone would be unable to put their arms around the beliefs of a Bible Church.

Nope! Independent Baptist will not have you rebaptized, if you were baptized as a believer. Infant baptism is not accepted. Being baptized in a Baptist church is not a requirement to be a member of a Baptist Church. Being baptized as a believer is.

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

Despite your opinion, there is in fact a significant portion of Independent Baptist churches that will baptize somebody who was baptized at a non Baptist Church. You can look it up, it is called alien immersion. It is widely practiced among especially landmark theology Independent Baptists.

@jjmulvihill

3 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest I’ve been an IFB’r for more than 25yrs. My baptism was from a Grace Brethren congregational church and my membership was unchallenged. Lol, my triple dunk, triune baptism. Likewise, IFB is soo liberal when it comes to salvation that the Romans Road, Romans 10:13, whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Which is salvation without baptism. Repentance is only calling on the name of Jesus. (How shall they call upon Him whom they have not believed?) No questions asked. BTW, thanks. Just sharing my experience.

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

@@jjmulvihill Sure, as stated in the video it is not an absolute, but your experience is a limited example. Even 74% of Southern Baptist pastors polled would re-baptize a person immersed in a church that didn't believe in Eternal Security. www.brnow.org/news/LifeWay-follow-up-poll-examines-hot-topics/ And yes, Baptists across the board don't view baptism as necessary for salvation. In the same link above, 87% of Southern Baptists would require you to be re-baptized if you were baptized in a church that thought baptism was necessary for salvation. I believe that Independent Baptists would require (so-called) rebaptism at an even higher rate than the Southern Baptists would.

@jjmulvihill

3 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest There is the beauty and the beast of IFB. Independence is great, but it is very dogmatic in practice.

You need to know ONLY the Lord's CHURCH will be RAPTURED. Watch: "The End Will Come | Prophet Dr. David Owuor | November 6, 2022" on Repent and Come Out of The Great Tribulation.

Everybody claims that they believe that they are protects. They knows everything amd claims that God inspire them. They created their own ideas the others are fake. They divide the Christ church good job 👏 they had had good word for Lucifer. Congratulations

@Jabberwockybird

2 жыл бұрын

I've been in an independent baptist church that claimed they were right and others wrong. But I never heard that in the Bible churches I attended. Just that God inspired His own word. No division there. I've worked in non-denominational ministries along side of many other Christians, from Calvenists to Charismatics. Not all independent churches are about division.

The Independent Baptist "church" is a man-made denomination. Even if they 🛄 claim that John the Baptist was "the first Baptist". The Independent Baptist Church also has man-made practices such as leading people to *repeat/pray* the "sinner's prayer" OR to *ASK* Jesus into one's heart ❤️ to receive salvation. Totally false and unBiblical.