Holy "F" I'm agreeing with David Frum... The world is ending!

We need to get David back to this country and the sanity that comes with thinkers of this quality.

Excellent, rational, rant at the end. I will try to remember those points for future conversations.

A really excellent conversation, I learned a great deal. As a retired History teacher, I deeply appreciated David’s comments about removing our statues and renaming our streets.

Excellent lecture❤👍🤟

Great Conversation

Sanity from David Frum. Thank you from Blifghty.

Thank you. Thats the BEST thing I've heard anywhere in a very long time. I wish every Canadian could see this.

A great conversation & end-of-year message, thankfully moderately optimistic for the New Year 🍁 Movingly forward it would be brilliant to arrange an episode / interview between David Frum & Jordan Peterson 🍁 I truly hope you can make this happen 🎄🍁Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah 🍁

David really got me at the end. Yes we make mistakes but this country is a good place to live. Where else do you think is better? Then go there. We are not perfect, but we do the best we can.

@waffles1ca

3 ай бұрын

When has a nation been perfect? At times perfect for some, imperfect for many. I challenge any Canadian to find a better country and if you do, go there.

Absolutely, what have the "professionally offended" accomplished in their lifetimes!

Democratic pluralism. Yes that is the issue we have to confront because as an immigrant myself I do not want inter-ethnic and racial divisions to destroy our country as a result of violent protests, vandalism and hatred. Immigrants need to become Canadians. Yes, Canada is not immune to the influx of very nasty social, cultural and political trends in the United States. Do we want that for ourselves?

Nice books in the background David!

@SandyJohnson-ur6xi

4 ай бұрын

Is he moving.

@VALUST17

4 ай бұрын

@@SandyJohnson-ur6xihe just has really high standards for what books he will put on his shelf. On the plus side, he’s currently got room on his shelves for the very best books of the next 18,000 years of literature at the rate they are making it onto them.

Thank you Mr Frum, though as usual you leave more questions on the table than actual options. But I suppose that's the nature of discussion. Your last thought was one I immediately thought 8 years ago. Nobody with a backbone stood up to out shout the government and its apologists. Thanks again

Common sense, intelligent, compassionate conservatism at it's best!

@waffles1ca

3 ай бұрын

I miss the Joe Clarke days, common sense conservatives… ah good old days. For the past 15 years it’s been all about messaging and little action.

David is in a unique position to distinguish between the US and Canada and their discrete perspectives...and he does. Canadians do not understand that the US cares little about Canada despite its locality. Canadians can be proud of their country and they should be but from an American perspective despite the trading alliances, Canada is a matter of general indifference. Take it from Bill Murray in Meatballs...it just doesn't matter

Moded

9:53 I remember Al Capp’s “SWINE” . .. Students Wildly Indignant About Everything

Canada got thanked for demanding a ceasefire. I'd easily argue the opposite, at THIS point getting thanks from Netanyahu is the thank you, you don't want. The fact that Canada is finally deviating from the Israel/US vote to the 'rest of the world' vote is heartening to an awful lot of canadians. Frums notion that "waaal, Israels fascism has always been a problem for others but its never hurt them' is just bizarre to say the least. But at least he's admitting "my colonialism and xenophobia is what made me a conservative". Ironic that he still hasn't learned anything despite admitting that conservativism in the US has gone of the crazy rails.

I think there was a missed opportunity here regarding "taking the L" "rebuilding" etc... What if the republican party has been hollowed out by multiple cycles of only the low-end sycophants and the electorally safe seats, the people who only care about winning? This is also what has happened in the canadian conservative party, and once that kind of mentality takes hold, how do you rebuild?

Re: Gaza,Isreal LOL.

David Frum is a smart man, though I am not always agree with his opinions.

David'a advice that a political party is better to lose an election than to change its identity is not even theoretically right because people do not enter politics with the thought of willfully losing elections. All politicians believe that when they will be in power they will straighten out all what needs to be straightened out, even their misled colleagues.

@waffles1ca

3 ай бұрын

The conservatives position on Climate Change in Canada has cost the party a few elections. Change identity is essential.

Re: Gaza/Israel...LOL.

oy vey

Fear rules the American right wing. And they will never be free of fear no matter what. How can you appease them?

I wonder if David still thinks invading Iraq was a good idea?

@cvdavis

5 ай бұрын

He’s talked about that elsewhere before. First keep in mind it wasn’t his decision. He thinks it was a bad idea. The United States has a very poor record trying to establish stability after wars, aside from the merits of actually attacking in the first place.

@jimwoodruff7515

4 ай бұрын

@cvdavis it's safe to say that war profiteers and special interest-not our interests is what controls David Frum.

@MikeSmith-vo2yt

4 ай бұрын

Fair

@koshka02

4 ай бұрын

It was a good idea. Saddam was an absolute monster. It shouldn't have been unilateral though, and they (the US military) dicked around in Iraq long after removing Saddam from power. Doing what? I don't know.

@cvdavis

4 ай бұрын

We'll have to agree to disagree. My view is he has a mind of his own and has changed his mind on many issues as he's learned more. I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes. @@jimwoodruff7515

While I appreciate Mr Frum's commentary he has spent 30 years helping to build the Fascist movement that is now the dominant force in US politics. Using the word Fascist is not an exaggeration. He has a lot to answer for. Perhaps as a Jew he now sees the reality of the movement he helped to build.

David has lived in the states too long, I appreciate his analysis, but I think he’s way out in left field or at least in a bubble with respect to his opinion on Canada immigration and housing. With all due respect, I don’t think he has enough credibility in economics, demographics, bank policy,. he should know full well in the Canadian system of government. The federal government has no influence on markets, municipal development, rules, red tape, etc. In fact, it will take all three levels of government within Canada, federal, provincial, and local in order to face the challenges of society and general going forth. I think we need to broaden our perspective as this link between immigration and housing has only really reached as a large issue in the last 10 or so years has become exacerbated lately by rhetoric and the rise of the extreme right. We also cannot rule out the role of bots and others that would, and are attacking the west through propaganda and multimedia and social media. I have always been a fan of David, and of his late mother Barbara. I do, however, feel that the discussion should be more nuanced or at least David should be more precise in his language. David became an American, we don’t have to.

Frum said, "in a democratic system it's not so terrible to lose an election." What Frum keeps missing is that the country is at a tipping point demographically due to immigration and its follow-on effects. Losing to the party that supports not only continued (and even increased) massive legal immigration, but also continued illegal immigration (de facto despite lip service to the contrary), AND a massive amnesty for well over 10 million illegal aliens means the California-ization of America; permanent one-party Democratic rule.

@IrishCarney

5 ай бұрын

Frum's implication (which he has made explicit at other times in other comments) is that if you lose in a proper democratic system, you can always come back to win the next election, so "now or never" fears are overblown. But that's not true when one party (helped by the donor class of the other party) is drastically changing the makeup of the electorate. CA still has free/fair elections but the GOP can never win statewide anymore b/c immigration has artificially and radically altered the electorate.

@MikeSmith-vo2yt

4 ай бұрын

Do better. The centre is there for the taking,basically for free, take it

@IrishCarney

4 ай бұрын

@@MikeSmith-vo2yt You ignored my point. You assume a static electorate with the same voters being competed over election after election. California decades ago was competitive with sometimes liberals winning statewide, sometimes conservatives, depending in part on who could win the center. But my whole point that you missed is that drastically altering the electorate by endlessly flooding it with mestizos prevents that. They vote two to one Dem by default. The absolute best you can get from them is them voting 40% GOP to 60 Dem (a crushing wipe out) and then that's when like George W. Bush in TX in 1998 you cave in on EVERYTHING (massive legal immigration, massive amnesty, affirmative action, official Spanish everywhere etc) so there's no point in winning and even then the Dems will always out "Hispander" you anyway.