BTW, if you haven’t guessed, We’re just having some Machinists fun… It’s an age old Machinists argument… and we’re eating popcorn and enjoying everyone’s opinions. Truthfully, we respect both and that’s why we always put up numbers in both Imperial & Metric in all videos. So everyone can learn and Rise to Greatness!!! BOOM!!!

@manubra5853

Жыл бұрын

Very embarrassing, nice try of avoiding the criticism tho

@Volvith

Жыл бұрын

Even so, pretty much the entire section at 3:00 minutes is just plain factually incorrect. And the fact that this is intended as 'just having some fun' isn't self-explanatory from the tone of the video. There's a fine line between humor and just being wrong, and honestly, this borders on the latter... :/ This comment feels like a half-assed attempt to dodge valid criticism, and honestly, it's better to just own up to the fact that it didn't land the way you wanted it to.

@fabiovarajao1182

Жыл бұрын

If by having fun you mean a bunch of people trashing the Imperial system and making fools of yourself, you're definitely nailing it 😂 (No offense by the way)

@wielandsiebke1008

Жыл бұрын

If this was just fun you would not have posted this comment 2h after release lol

@manubra5853

Жыл бұрын

@@wielandsiebke1008 yeah!

Mate. Cars came from Germany The First telephone was in 1849 in Italy by a Italian inventor. The First Refrigerator was invented by a French Man in 1859. The Telegraph was invented by a British man named Sir William Fothergill Cooke and Sir Charles Wheatstone in 1837. The First real steam engine also come from the English in 1698. 78 years before the american Nation ever existed. The first practical and widely used sewing machine was invented by Barthélemy Thimonnier, a French tailor, in 1829. The Combustion Engine was inveted by a German named Karl Benz. And About the imperial System. Even NASA which landed on the Moon uses the Metric System. The Imperial System only makes more sense to you because you have lived with it for your entire life Barry. For most of the World metric is more Familiar. Even for Everyday measurements, you have the centimeter, the Decimeter, the meter. And i dont know about you guys, but the average person living outside of the us will be able to understand the number 30 in the words 30 centimeters. Even now allmost all parts that the declining us Manufacturing Industry is making for the rest of the world is a metric Design converted into Imperial Numbers. I mean i know the Research and Production Quality isn't that great on this KZreadchannel. Even the American Education system is not that good for the general Population. But still, even 5 minutes of research would have been able to prevent half of your embarrassingly wrong statements in this video.

@ensen89

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if he (or they at Titans) really think(s) all those things were invented in the USA or if they are just trolling.

@W4LNUSS

Жыл бұрын

I think the entire video is a Troll

@Tiemu93

Жыл бұрын

The good old "don't let facts get in the way of a good story". 😄

@Birb_of_Judge

Жыл бұрын

Karl Benz was the person who invented the car (together with his wife) Nicolaus August Otto was the person who invented the internal combustion engine. But they are both German so that's still correct

@MrPatrik246

Жыл бұрын

FACTS

I love how he starts by saying «just because we have always done it this way doesnt mean we have to keep going», and ends by saying «we have always done it this way, so its better!»

@diggydumbo9294

Жыл бұрын

Yeah hahahaha

@stewartbonner

7 ай бұрын

right. 99% of the whole world is metric for decades and they are all wrong and the US is right. how many teaspoons are in a hogshead? When do Americans switch for units of football fields to units of Empire State Buildings?

@chewythefirstttv

2 ай бұрын

I was just about to comment the same thing!!! 😂 every argument he made was based on on how he always done it 🤣

The automobile and both diesel and petrol engines were invented in Germany, the steam engine and locomotive were invented in the UK, the sewing machine was either invented in England or France depending on how one defines it. The incandescent light bulb was first patented in England and the telegraph was invented in France (optical) and England (electrical). The refrigerator was invented in Scotland and the first commercial refrigerator was designed by Scottish expat in Australia.

@chads5213

9 ай бұрын

They may have created the first prototype. But America created each version that was mass-produced in every country. Basically, what I'm trying to say is America is better at everything. Thank you very much.

@thebogangamer1

9 ай бұрын

@@chads5213 no all of those thing were mass produced in the countries of origin and they make better all of those things better too, america is terrible.

@reaganomicslamborghini9080

6 ай бұрын

​@@chads5213better at opiods and guns yes.

@allangoodger969

5 ай бұрын

@@reaganomicslamborghini9080 You forgot the medical system fleecing it patents or private companies making big cash from massive numbers of incarcerated people in the US goal system. 😂😂😂😂😂

@Milesco

3 ай бұрын

​@@allangoodger969 "jail" system. (Or if you _must,_ "gaol" system. But not "goal".) (I agree with you about healthcare though. And to some extent about our tendency to incarcerate, too.)

“Its easy to visualize since its 6 adult feet end to end”, this one really cracked me up

Soo… A machinist, focused daily on absolute precision, is arguing for imperial because it’s easier to visualise/estimate in day to day life? Might want to reconsider that one…

@FilipAus

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was confused by that. And factions of an inch are still the stupidest thing. Go ahead and visualiser 7/64" for me...

@Suckmyjagon

Жыл бұрын

@@FilipAus I just did it's easy

@Flitzer514

Жыл бұрын

Are you saying it's not so easy to estimate adding 3 3/16ths to 7/8ths😃.

@aryanashar2094

Жыл бұрын

​@@Suckmyjagon Good now do a quadruple front flip, chump.

@AndrewWillis810

Жыл бұрын

@@FilipAus Pretty easy when you work with them every day. Most people can look at a piece of material or a drill bit and know what it is (or pretty closely) without measuring it.

I (german engineer) cannot watch this without getting more and more headache 😂 good one, expecially with the American inventions

@that_escalated_quickly2720

Жыл бұрын

Fellow german here, machinist (Zerspanungsmechaniker) I'm honestly asking myself if that was just a really really dry joke or if the vid is meant to be serious... Like, really?

@themechanix393

Жыл бұрын

@@that_escalated_quickly2720 yeah, especially the stuff about cups. That's just so short sighted

@adriankowalski5492

Жыл бұрын

to be fair he don't say invent, he say "bringing to the world" whatever that mean

@that_escalated_quickly2720

Жыл бұрын

@@adriankowalski5492 still not really true lol and even if it was, it would not be because of the imperial measuring system because it is not superior when it comes to most aspects of fabrication

@adriankowalski5492

Жыл бұрын

@@that_escalated_quickly2720 Never mind I double check and maybe Barry say "bringing to the world" but time stamp is named "American inventions" so I was wrong and this video is full BS, and not to even mention that, I was agreeing from get-go that looking for correlation with imperial system an positive work efficiently is ridiculous. I would say otherwise that imperial slow down US progress.

Here in the U.S., my introduction to the metric system was in grade school in the 70s. Later, as a handyman and machinist working with anything metric was an annoyance. However, in recent years I'm starting to notice just how widely used it is here for various products and purposes. I've become familiar with both systems and I'm thinking that in a couple more generations, the imperial system may become the annoyance. I also discovered when trying to position fixtures, pictures, etc... on a wall, it's a lot easier with a millimeter measuring tape.

@maximes2613

Жыл бұрын

Well... imperial is already annoyance for more than 90% of the world X)

@GH-oi2jf

Жыл бұрын

Your last problem would probably be even easier with a tape marked in inches and tenths, because a mm is finer resolution than needed to hang pictures.

I'm from Italy and honestly I find much more sense in the concept of a system of measurement that's indipendent from day to day variability. You suggested a teaspoon for example, but my teaspoon is probably different from yours. The metric system shines in ease of use to go from a order of magnitude to another and repeatability of measures.

@adamspiller4842

Жыл бұрын

It’s only easier, if you’ve used it your whole life, I’m a carpenter I’m English and I find the imperial system easier.

@mattiacamnasio1153

Жыл бұрын

@@adamspiller4842 as you said it's easier just because you've grown up using it. Looking at it from an external position it looks really goofy. How could in any way be easy a division in sixteenth?

@MaticTheProto

Жыл бұрын

Especially true for American recipes that use specific packaging sizes (one pack of xyz sauce). These might not be available elsewhere and also THEY CHANGE OVER TIME (= they get smaller, welcome to capitalism)

@GH-oi2jf

Жыл бұрын

A “teaspoon” is a well-defined volume. It is 1/6 US fl oz or 4.93 ml. It is measured with spoons designed for the purpose.

@mattiacamnasio1153

Жыл бұрын

​@@GH-oi2jf of course it has to be a precise amount, otherwise there would be chaos and satellites would always crash. But the addition of a standard has been a recent decision. In the past it has always been much more variable. In general terms a system that has a simple base ten conversion with a lot of simple equivalencies between different scales makes much more sense than a system with strange base units that need also a lot of prime numbers to divide in usable simple values. I think that if the imperial system really had been this efficient system that it claims to be, it would be used by more than a handful of countries in the world. That's my idea

I've used both systems for 18 years and the metric system is easier in machining & the example I'd site is with tap drill sizes. M16x2 = 14mm, M20x2.5 = 17.5 M48x5 = 43. Try doing that with imperial threads 1/2 - 13 = 27/64, 3/4 - 10 = 21/32, 1-1/2 - 6 = 1-21/64. Then you get into hole making with letter, number and fractional drills, what is the size of a letter C drill? Or a number 19 drill? What is the decimal equivalent to a 39/64 drill? You always need a drill chart which don't need to exist in the metric system. It wastes time to have to look at drill charts and measure drills constantly. I'm not a fan at all of the imperial system of drills.

@adriankowalski5492

Жыл бұрын

And 99% of metric thread/bolt sizes are foolproof, for example you can't screw M5 bolt in hole with M6 thread. As for imperial, remember this airplane that fell becouse someone screw windshield with wrong imperial size bolts.

@nileshborse5297

Жыл бұрын

I work with sheet metal and it's even more confusing there...the higher the gauge no, the lower the thickness. Metric system is straight. No confusion. No B.S'ing around.

@Trent-tr2nx

Жыл бұрын

@@nileshborse5297 sheet metal is the WORST in terms of thickness standardization. You’re totally right about larger gauges meaning thinner materials, but there’s the added shitshow of thickness being material/finish specific (16ga mild steel is not the same thickness as 16ga 5052 or 16ga galvanized steel). Truly the worst system and I envy the people using the metric system who can use the actual dimension to refer to the sheet stock being used.

@Sak-zo1ui

Жыл бұрын

The issue it there is a lot more in this world than just machining. Both are useful in each of their ways but i find the thou easier to grasp than metric.

@blacklabel6223

Жыл бұрын

I see your point, but OD minus pitch still applies. Just need more drills. 1/2-13 would be 0.500 - (1/13)

Are you aware the US imperial system is actually based on metric units? I work in both systems - imperial is just familiarity yet I now find metric easier. I can visualise in both systems. Although you say you have fought "we've always done it that way" you then go on to justify imperial based solely on "we've always done it that way" so can't change! None of the innovations you list depended on the use of imperial units - measurements are just measurements - they're not imagination or hard work.

@altrover9930

Жыл бұрын

The only reason why US use imperial system, is because it costs too much to switch it up to metric

@ensen89

Жыл бұрын

Yes. The metric system was standardized and the imperial system was still not. So people used the metric system to bring a standard to the imperial system. In 1959 the inch was set to be exactly 25,4 MILLIMETER.

@nunyabusiness8538

Жыл бұрын

who asked you though? that’s wild lol

@ToastytheEpic

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I was thinking the entire time! I grew up using imperial and it never felt right, as soon as I started using metric it just made immediate sense. How the hell does it make sense to measure distance in intervals of .001, 1, 12, 3, 5280??? The reality is that we don’t even have to change all of our previous drawings and designs, we can just slowly transition to metric overtime. Teach both properly in schools and after a generation of new engineers we’ll be able to more easily translate. After two generations we would likely be able to move towards drawing in metric and translating from imperial. He was so close to the point but entirely missed it!

@qulizaftiunigal6900

Жыл бұрын

And america did not invent the car!

In CNC machining you have a choice to run INCH or MM. Most CNC’s in INCH have a 4 place resolution (0.0001). When you switch the machine to MM you have a 3 place resolution (0.001). 0.001MM is smaller than 0.0001 INCH. By switching your machine to metric you can instantly make your CNC 60% more accurate.

@allejandrodavid5222

9 ай бұрын

Interessante!

I am a Kenyan machinist and even the abbreviation of some imperial units suck .How do you abbreviate pound as lb and ounce as oz ??

"Why tell a cook to add 12 grams of salt when you can tell him to add a cup". My brother is a cook and he absolutely DESPISES spoons and cups because they scale up awfully. If a recipe has to be multiplied 50 times for a large group, adding in 50 teaspoons is a pain while you can simply use weight measurements and multiply that by 50.

@WorBlux

Жыл бұрын

Because volume measurement is usually faster, and historically an accurate scale would have been unavailable to most people. And outside of baking they are usually close enough.

@adriankowalski5492

Жыл бұрын

@@WorBlux For Housewife who bake as hobby? yes they are usually close enough, for chef in decent restaurant, bakery or food production facility? Don't think so.

@DoesntReadReplies

Жыл бұрын

Using weight is vastly more accurate too. If you weigh a cup of flour, you'll get a different amount for every cup. Not a good way to cook.

@karellen00

Жыл бұрын

Spoons are not even an imperial measure, it's probably just that an oz is a too large unit for some stuff (12g are 0,423oz, it doesn't seem too practical)

@indian.techsupport

Жыл бұрын

well, teaspoons and tablespoons are used in metric countrys too

I am a Machinist in Germany and i know pretty accurtately what a milimeter, centimeter, decimeter and meter looks like. The fact that the metric system isn´t based on your everyday objects doesn´t make it less convenient, its just habitual. And there are stil things in our enviromet that are reference points, doors for example are roughly 2m in heigt and the easy transition from m to dm to cm to mm makes your life verry easy. For me its a a non argument to say that the system based on everyday things is more convenient because metric folks everyday things are the same, its just a different number on the scale or caliper, you get used to it and in the end of the day both systems work it doesn´t cange anything about the manufacturing requirments or capabilitys needed, you just type in a different number and thats it. Personal note: everytime i need to cut a imperial thread i go crazy because i have to type in a number with that goes 3 digids beyond the decimal, i would go nuts if i had to do this all day, i like my metric threads. M6 thread? turn to diameter 6mm. M12? 12mm. 5/8" thread? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh.....(googles it)15,875mm? As i said it´s just habitual but you imperial folks really get to my nerves i moments like this and i know its the same the other way around ;D

@ger_ivexrn2961

Жыл бұрын

ich sehe, wir verstehen uns 🤝😅

@spatialguy5571

Жыл бұрын

Du solltest lernen, wie tonspell. auf Englisch . = entscheidungspunkt 15.875 , = Tausende Separator 15,875.000

@RB-cf3jy

Жыл бұрын

While the measurements aren't named after everyday objects they're pretty easy to point out 1mm =a fingernail, 1dm= from your thumb to your pointing finger stretched out, 1m = 1 gait (distance between your feet when you walk)

@markcollins2666

Жыл бұрын

Doch! As an American mechanic, who began my career in Germany in the US Army, to being a machinist, and finally a Quality Manager, I can say that metric is more perfect, more precise. Now living outside the US, metric is what I use daily, in distances, weights, and temperatures. It's schade, too bad, that Imperial has put the US into the money pit it faces, but they asked for it, years ago. Strange that the military has used metric for decades, but that was to be NATO compatible. Schadenfreude, tut mir leicht!!!

@theKashConnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

Fractions are just inherently more accurate than decimal places. Unless you like typing out all of the 3s to accurately decimal-ize 1/3. Anyways, all units are arbitrary. Their only purpose is to convey information between parties. The units we grow up with and have the most familiarity with will always feel superior. Metric units made a conscious choice to be divisible by 10, which makes them in no way superior to the base-12 units we ALL use when counting time. All the talk of unit superiority is just pointless jingoism.

I think the imperial system is simply there to keep less people accessible to more difficult engineering based jobs. Mexico and Canada uses metric. You need to have an engineering mindset to be able to do the imperial calculations. I think, as soon as US switches to metric, any 9th grader can start doing CNC machining with very little training.

@skill_issuesmo7367

Жыл бұрын

well... isnt making hard jobs harder by making that more people will have to waste time and brain power just so that qualified people cant work on engineering base jobs at an early age to potentially get experience and have the chance to be a great engineer bad?

@daniilvolkov8790

Жыл бұрын

@@skill_issuesmo7367 It would be if your purpose would be making the job more accessable to people but making it more accessable relieves control from higher ups. Its all about control, i think. Metric means more people can compete and that means less money for the ones knowing imeprial by heart.

As a German I agree: I have absolutely no understanding of how long a meter is. Every time I need one I travel to Paris and get it the platinum standard out of the vault. Same for the kilogram. It's quite inconvenient. I heard others saying: "dude, one stride is about one meter. Doors are 2m high! One carton of milk has the volume of one liter!" But what do they know?! I bought some of these "spoons" and "cups" via Amazon from the US so that I could finally bake a New York cheese cake from a original US recipe. Quite convenient. Now I can also use them for eating food and don't need to get a shower anymore every time I'm finished.

There are two kinds of country: Those who use the metric system And those who have disintegrated a Mars probe because they got confused with their own measuring system

@Alex-rf1md

Жыл бұрын

and then there is the country that use both and cause a B 767 to run out of fuel and crash land on a drag strip

@costakeith9048

Жыл бұрын

At least we're capable of sending probes to Mars to be disintegrated in its atmosphere, the vast majority of metric countries couldn't even get a satellite into orbit, much less into Mars' atmosphere.

@Dennis-mq3vx

Жыл бұрын

Emotional Damage

@giulio5656

Жыл бұрын

@@costakeith9048 ...that's true...and that's why NASA switched to Metric, many years ago.......but, somebody inside is still thinking with the wrong system.....

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

Жыл бұрын

actually 98% of thew world uses metric, so , lets not act as if its anyewhere equal

From someone who works heavily in imperial units I can easily say Metric is far superior. In fact ALL other major units are derived from basic Metric units such as Volts, Amperes, Resistance, Energy (Joules), Watts, Hertz, Time(seconds). In terms of measurements of distance, fractional measurements are to confusing. 1/32 or 1/64 is not something easily translatable, where a metric scale is very very clear, where all subdivisions are scaled by 10.

@oldscratch3535

Жыл бұрын

Machinists rarely use fractional inch. We use decimal inch which is base 10.

@z0phi3l

Жыл бұрын

@@oldscratch3535 So just use metric and save time and money translating to metric eventually

@kurokami5964

Жыл бұрын

>Time(seconds). aktually, this one existed before metric the french that made the system even tryied to replace it with a system based on 10 enstead of 60 and failed tho to be precise its not that every based metric system are based on meter alone, but a combinaison of meter and seconds anyways, it make no sense to have multiple units of length that are not related to each other there is metric gallon that is 5 liter enstead of 3.785 liter in the US or 4.544 liter in britain and other imperial units that were adapted to be metric like tho 1 inch metric could be 25mm enstead of 25.4mm or for feets, it could be change from 304,8mm to either 300 or 250mm(making 10inch = to 1 feet) or 333.3 mm making it 1/3 of a meter making 40 inch = 3 feet

@naruteoh123

Жыл бұрын

One thing the metric is superior to imperial is the unit conversion of the derived units. For example, try convert kg/m3 to g/cm3 vs convert lbs/inch3 to lbs/feet3

@chuckmiller5763

Жыл бұрын

Well, here in Arizona we have a lot of flat roof houses, plans will give a roof pitch like 1/2 inch per foot, or 3/8 inch per foot. These fractions compute to 1 inch in 2 feet (1/2) , 3 inches in 8 feet (3/8) , 5/16 slope would be 5 inches in 16 feet. What about 3/4 slope? Same thing, 3 inches in 4 feet. Then, how would you change written music? You have 1/4 notes, 1/2 notes, whole notes, 32nd (1/32) notes etc.

Americans: water is 8.38lb per gallon. Meanwhile rest of the earth: 1kg is 1liter.

I was born in Canada in 1966, so I initially learned the British Imperial System, then began learning the Metric System in the late 1970s, and then immigrated to the US in 2000 so I then needed to learn the US Customary System. I can say of the three the Metric System is by far the best! You talk about the cost of the US switching to the Metric System but you ignored the cost of supporting two systems! There was a NASA Mars mission that failed because of a conversion error and a commercial jet that needed to make an emergency landing because it had only half the required fuel because of conversion error! That is why American scientists and engineers have all switched to the Metric System and all US Customary System units are officially defined in terms of Metric units! When Americans go to the grocery store everything is listed by law in both US Customary and Metric and when buying medicine that is likely to be in Metric. So in a sense the US is already on the Metric System but most Americans don't realized that to be the case.

metric is so easy dude, 10mm is cm, 100cm is a meter, 1000 meters is a kilometer, now how many inches in a mile hmm?

@cyber2526

Жыл бұрын

also visualising 182 cm isn't hard for us, so kinda biased, but you keep doing you, much cheaper indeed

@cyber2526

Жыл бұрын

and the argument that american inventions used imperial units is kinda irrelevant, if it was metric would it suddenly be the other way around? that something was used a lot doesn't make it better

@brahtrumpwonbigly7309

Жыл бұрын

The issue is with the assumption that it was necessary to immediately know how many inches are in a mile. Why would you ever measure the distance between towns in cm? Just because it is quickly divisible doesn't make it advantageous. I see many examples of these kinds of arguments, and have yet to find one that would be realistic. Any conversions that are commonly made are well known without having to think about it. For instance, you'll never convert more than a few feet to inches, a few yards to feet, and you'll never convert miles to inches. We can quickly tell you how many feet are in 72 inches because we know the multiplication table, and that's about as far as you'd need in day to day life. Metric might be easier in a vacuum, but we grew up with imperial. We don't have to learn it from scratch so we don't have an issue using it, that's you guys.

@cyber2526

Жыл бұрын

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 because 5mm might be easier then like. 3/7 in and fractional. Whatever it is

@m-terror779

Жыл бұрын

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 I think the point in the metric system (tho i might be biased) is that in any conversion between unit, it's the decimal base that is used. I find to have a hard time to switch to a foot being 12 inches to then working with thou. But for the day to day life and if you've grown with it, I get it that the imperial system makes sense.

I think many forget the reason why america caught up so fast is because unlike Europe they didnt get bombed to oblivion twice and had to rebuild Fun fact also, the equipment and crew that worked on the apollo missions used metric

@stinkyham9050

Жыл бұрын

Also I think Americans forget they didn't become a super power until the end of WW2.

@alpham777

11 ай бұрын

@@stinkyham9050 We had the ability to project power across all oceans and fight on multiple fronts so we kind of already were a superpower we also defeated the de facto superpower in our founding as a nation. Now as far as metric goes we use both there is no real struggle here it's all internet bullshit, as to why we still have anything in imperial starts with things like road signs it would cost over a trillion dollars to replace them and for what to just say we did we all know how far a mile is. Personally I like using both and have never found it confusing. Using one system is like only learning one language which I could argue why don't we all speak English, cause we don't that's why lol I don't expect Mexicans to learn the language until they come here for work but when I go there I speak Spanish it's a common courtesy.

@davemiller6055

5 ай бұрын

Apollo missions used both.

@worldoftancraft

5 ай бұрын

​@@alpham777calling what happened during your independence war "defeat" is a fallacy. The reason of what happened is not because you defeated them in a traditional way, but because you've shown you're hard to control and that you don't cost the money. That you aren't anymore a profitable asset in their hands.

@dadoVRC

3 ай бұрын

​@@stinkyham9050They're mainly a 3rd world country with a minority of rich ones and bombs. Something like all the social infrastructures they have comes from the first two decades after WW2.

Enjoyed another great Barry video even if I did not agree with all the points made. First as a mechanic, then as a corporate business person responsible for over 100 countries, and finally a machinist and machine tool build I long ago resigned myself to owning metric and imperial tools and being able to "think" in both systems.

Karl Benz invented the Automobile in 1884 in Germany. Thomas Davenport invented the first electric motor in 1834 in England. The Assembly Line goes back to at least the Venitian Arsenal in the 12th century in the Serene Republic of Venice. Francis Ronalds invented the first electric telegraph in 1816 in England. Hero of Alexandria built the first Steam Engine in the first century CE in Roman Egypt. The commercially successful steam engines were developed by Thomas Savery, Thomas Newcomen and James Watt in England, England and Scotland respectively between 1798 and 1775. Barthelemy Thimonnier invented the first Sewing machine in 1830 in France. Modern Cities were the work of a variety of architects and planners in numerous countries through the 19th and 20th century. James Harrison built the first refrigeration system in Australia in 1851. Barry has demonstrated that he has no understanding of the actual history of science and engineering.

You mentioned that 1 m is 1000 mm, but did you mention that 1 foot is 12 inches, 1 yard is 3 feet, 1 mile is 1760 yard ... And same thing with area, volume, mass, all of them are just strange numbers. Ok, you can just learn them, learning is a good thing, so now you know all of them, could you please tell me how many yards are in 50 miles? How many cubic inches are in 4 cubic yards? I don t even want to try to calculate than on a calculator, not to say in my head. How many meters are in 527 kilometers? 527000 meters. 1 cubic meter is 1000 liters, 1 liter of water is about 1 kilogram, 1000 kilograms is 1 metric ton, 1 ton of water is 1 cubic meter. 1 meter cube has a side which is 1000 mm, 1000*1000*1000 is 1000000000 mm (just count zeros). I m 189 cm and my brother is 1,85 m, I used different units, but you can easily see that i m only 4cm taller than he is even without changing units.

Okay so Barry just hasn’t been exposed to the Metric system enough to learn to use it effectively. He’s had a lifetime of experience using the imperial system and I bet if he had Al of his experience but in Canadian or European shop, this video would have been about the metric system and not the imperial system.

@barrysetzer

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, like i said, metric may be more accurate and easier, but it would be too expensive for us to change at this point

@chuckmiller5763

Жыл бұрын

Do you use a cup for your coffee or a .24 liter container?

@therealsourc3

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckmiller5763 almost no cup is the same size so what's ur point?

@adriankowalski5492

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckmiller5763 Do you use a Victorian 237ml cup for your coffee at work?? or 375ml Thermo Mug? how many cups are in 375ml Thermo Mug? ah yes: 1 29/50

@Paclanc

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckmiller5763 So the whole point of imperial is to incorporate into it crappy and inaccurate measurements? " Look ma', I'm need 7 and 16/32 liquid pinchs of oil to oil for my 'merican assault rifle. There was another school shooting yesterday"

I grew up moving frequently inside and outside of the U.S. bouncing between imperial and metric. when work came around in highschool I did a lot of work on construction sites that used imperial, now I have a background in product development and teaching. I found myself gradually favoring metric between the two more and more. I could consider pros and cons for each but metric seems easier on a brain that prefers to think in bundles of 10, 100, 1000. I thought about this in my statistics class that didn't use these measurement systems but preferred bundling bins of numbers in the same fashion because it is easier on the human brain. much akin to metric. i like imperial to quickly communicate bit sizes or sizes of holes and whatnot but even then it's not that much easier

Jòzsef Galamb was one of Henry Ford’s main engineers that helped him design the Model T. He was Hungarian and had to convert everything from metric to imperial.

I have been an American Machinist for 25 years today and switched over to metric 6 months ago maybe less. I was interested in improving my precision by taking advantage of the higher resolution that this allows when you are in G21 vs G20 on a CNC machine. I can honestly say that I wish I personally had switched over to Metric many years ago. in short things like old-school Cadilac, gages are far easier to read with those Dial counters on them. many people think it's obvious if there is an inch difference between 16 and 17 inches however sometimes it isn't so obvious and I have personally been off by one inch before on larger dimensions over 6 inches. interpolated bores are far easier to nail size-wise due to the increased precision of the machine. I personally spend a lot of time designing assemblies and have really been helped out by the fact that with metric I don't have to commit to a hard and final size on a fit. it is easier for me to slowly come into the right amount of clearance to get the right amount of slop in a mating assembly. I could go on. As a designer, I am a lot more able to work next to existing products that are almost always metric. Honestly, I still use both especially when I am threading. Even though it is a slight improvement overall I can honestly say that I really did not regret making the switch.

@MattOGormanSmith

Жыл бұрын

You can go too far with that precision in gcode. I used to output 6 digits from my CAM scripts until I realised I was specifying nanometers. I guess that's an advantage of metric is you can relate to things atomic scientists and astronomers work with by simple arithmetic.

@rkan2

Жыл бұрын

@@MattOGormanSmith I wouldn't really call it going "too far", unless you are chasing that nanometer fit without reason... Your machine will just "round up".

@Aqsticgod

Жыл бұрын

as a cnc operator i can say thats not entirely true, using metric in my computer when cutting sheets would actually fuck up the cut and make it either 1/4 inch smaller, or full inch larger, and it was weird as fuck cuz the conversion isnt that hard to do on a computer that already has an algorithm to do it for you and a calculator by your side just in case. even then when using imperial it happened too, my point being, neither is better than the other, they both have benefits and flaws, and im sick of people having some sort of elitism with units of measurements just because they are mechanics or work sin jobs that require more usage of metric than imperial, ignoring that not everyone, especially in the US uses metric in their day to day, and even if they did, who fucking cares, im so sick of this discussion

@5kittles652

8 ай бұрын

as an Engineer in Germany i would never understand how Imperial can be used in some smaller scales. Its was easy for me to operate my machines by hand using metrics for cutting precisely things up. Just think about u need some little metal piece who needs to fit perfectly, for mine its easy to say its 0.32cm longer than this 1/4inch metalpiece and this is gonna be an EXACTLY 0,955cm long small bit. Can u precisely tell me u need a piece of Metal that is just 0,12598...inch longer than 1/4inch and how u call that little piece do u name it a 1/4 and 1/8 inch long piece or u need to scale this up to a 3/8inch piece and even then !!! its not precisely cause u still need ~0,001 inch more Thats something iam interrested in maybe u can tell me how u call this 3/8+0,001 inch piece and why its even more precisly than just add 0,32cm to 0,635cm (1/4inch) and get the job done in seconds :)

@paulmilligan1808

Ай бұрын

3/8=.375"+.001=.376" or 9,55mm

As an engineer I'm going to respectfully disagree Barry. I can easily visualize what a cm, meter, cubic meter or a liter is, because that is what I've grown up with. I can't visualize at all what an 11/16" socket is and I have no idea what to look for, but a 10mm ? Easy. It's just a matter of what you are used to working with. I don't buy the "we invented some cool stuff" argument either, as none of the things you mentioned requires a specific standard of measurements and Europe, as a whole, has an extremely long list of inventions and scientific achievements as well. I don't understand why people get so attached to a system of measurement and get so defensive about it. I can understand why a change to metric is difficult and would take time as several generations would need to grow up with it to completely switch. In the end, it's just about whatever works for people. As long as we can all agree to manufacture things according to specifications. I mean when I specify something, and I always do it in metric as I am European, I don't really care if the people producing the parts are working in imperial or not, so long as the end product complies with my specifications.

@brahtrumpwonbigly7309

Жыл бұрын

It honestly just wouldn't be a discussion, but I hope you notice the endless amounts of shit people give us for using imperial. I don't care either way, I'm familiar with imperial but have used metric plenty, but there are a lot of people that would crucify me for having that opinion. You have to understand that is where the defensiveness comes from.

@MrRctintin

Жыл бұрын

John Wick, 100% correct sir

@HomeBrewedVapesReviews

Жыл бұрын

This is a false statement. No one owns a 10mm 🤣

@indian.techsupport

Жыл бұрын

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 we wouldnt give americans shit, if they werent ignorant and acting like they are superior with their only argument being:"its always been that way"

@johnwick7175

Жыл бұрын

@@HomeBrewedVapesReviews I guess that's true. It's always the one thats gone. 😂

An Aussie here... Worked in an Aussie hydraulic manufacturing shop for 20 years with imperial drawings.. Leant on imperial 1970's G-code Fanuc Mazak CNC machines.. Now program Siemens and Mazak metric CNC machines everyday.. METRIC any day of the week!

They are both well-defined metric systems, neither one of them is "better". The metric system in practice can be more convenient because its units of subdivision align with the decimal number system that everyone uses. Where it get confusing is when engineers using the metric system are using "mil" as short-speak for a millimetre, whereas American engineers use "mil" to refer to a thousandths of an inch, something that old-school British engineers in turn would call a "thou". So when an US engineer and German engineer are discussing dimensions of an engineering piece in "mils", they better be careful.

Started my machining apprenticeship in 1986. My training was all imperial units. These days I work almost exclusively in metric because it's what aerospace here works in these days, and even legacy stuff I convert to metric when working.

@andycoombes

Жыл бұрын

I started mine in 1974 - I use metric for everything important and imperial for communicating with the elderly.

Milli is 0.001 of a meter, not 0.0001 2:09

@DolezalPetr

Жыл бұрын

true

@szabiantal9794

Жыл бұрын

that's the comment what I was looking for

@CarlosCruz_cc

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Was also looking for this. It's funny (and sad?) that a video argueing that Imperial is better than Metric only shows that most americans DO NOT UNDERSTAND the basics of the Metric system and it's simplicity.

@spudpud-T67

Жыл бұрын

@@CarlosCruz_cc Barry is just trolling in this video, he's not serious.

@danielmiranda4703

Жыл бұрын

I'm suprised I had to scroll all the way down for this comment. I almost posted one myself. Please correct the video. Although unlikely, someone might make a mistake due to this.

As a physicist this video triggers me on so many levels it's beyond imagination... And I'm used to multiple different unit systems.

@Anonymous-df8it

Жыл бұрын

Don't you love it when F=/=m_relativistic_a and is actually m_relativistic_a/32.1740?

You should have one of your fanuc based machines (not sure about others) run a complicated part (ie: 50-100k+ lines of code) in imperial, and then do it in metric, and see which is faster. Most, if not all, cnc machines use metric encoders and are translated back to imperial. That takes computing time. Every single line, takes longer to read and convert, than to just use metric to begin with. I would think someone who prides themselves on being efficient would understand that. You know money? That currency also based on the metric system? You use metric every day. Don't be naïve. G21>G20

@gianinschenk897

5 ай бұрын

hahah love the iso code reference

Sorry Barry, loved the video but METRIC is still better 😂😂

@barrysetzer

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@iamtyzed

Жыл бұрын

Yesss the great UK machinist as spoken

@barrysetzer

Жыл бұрын

LOL Tom, gotta have a little fun sometimes.

@SwarfandChipss

Жыл бұрын

@@iamtyzed 😅😅😅

@SwarfandChipss

Жыл бұрын

@@barrysetzer mate you rule ! Definitely my machining hero ! That flag is super impressive!! Sometimes you still have to disagree with your hero’s 😂😂😂😂

Lol I like your videos, but you're just wrong on this one.

@valzzu

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@stinkyham9050

Жыл бұрын

His arguments are actually pretty dumb. A spoon is in a kitchen so therefore the imperial system is better. Lol, what?

@CraigularjJoeWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

An abomination

@ianbelletti6241

Жыл бұрын

Your statements make it clear that you put your conclusions before any rational assessment. The teaspoon is a unit of measurement that stems from the tableware used with your cup of tea. Tablespoon comes from the larger spoons typically used to eat soup. Not everything requires scientific exactness. Even in cooking you'll hear phrases like "add a pinch of...". Imperial (SAE) is better for much of life because its original references are close enough for a lot of purposes. For example, you don't have a measuring device with you but you need to measure off a play area for a game. Would you rather go with feet/yards allowing you to use your own feet to get a close enough measurement or do you want to use meters which would require some calculation just to figure out how to measure it using your body?

@stinkyham9050

Жыл бұрын

@@ianbelletti6241 You do know that a meter is almost exactly the same size as yard? You can easily pace off meter as easily as yards. As for measurements that don't need to be precise you could also use metric. If you are adding a "pinch" of anything you're not using imperial or metric, you're not using any system. I'm not sure what argument you're even trying to make. Metric is far superior in pretty much every way especially for actually measuring.

So, to sum up the ''argument'' presented in this video, we have : 1) "The US has made a lot of innovations while using the imperial system." > Total fallacy; the merits and efficiency of a measurement system are independent from the achievements of those using it. The US did not accomplish what it has accomplished thanks to the imperial system, but rather in spite of it. Also, it is worth noting that even in the US, scientists, a.k.a. the people responsible for the hereby mentioned innovations, generally use the metric system. 2) "Imperial units make more sense in day to day life because they refer to commonly used objects and are thus easier to visualize." > This is like saying "English makes more sense than Japanese because I, an English speaker, hear English words every day." If you were raised using the metric system, you would be very much able to instantly visualize a 45cm screen, a 10cm phone or a 1.85m tall person. You don't need body parts or other objects as reference points if you're simply familiar with the metric units. 3) "Everything we have already uses imperial, so it would be too expensive and too difficult to switch." > This argument is just a lame excuse. Yes, change is often difficult and can often be expensive, but it is also necessary when something better comes along. It is also possible to imagine a gradual transition, which would render the negative impacts more manageable.

I find it interesting that the machine manufacturers that are shown in the credits were mostly (if not all) developed and produced in metric and also work in this unit of measurement, the electronics may convert internally to imperial (this should definitely be the case with Trumpf, Blaser and Tornos).

This guy is who teachers think writes Wikipedia pages

conversions in the imperial system are way more complicated than in metric. How many liters fit in a cubic meter? right 1000 liters. How many gallons will fit into a cubic foot? 0.133681. how many meters is a kilometer? 1000m. How many foot is a mile? 5280 foot. These are just examples btw.

@fincrazydragon

Жыл бұрын

Actually, you're wrong about the number of gallons in a cubic foot. There are 1728 cubic inches in a cubic foot. There are 231 cubic inches in a gallon. A gallon of water weights 8.33 pounds.

@awakendsails

Жыл бұрын

Only complicated if you're not use to it. If you live by metric you'll never get used to imperial. Same vice versa. I grew up using both so I understand them the same. Some things I use one and some the other. I'm going to get the measurement either way so it doesnt matter. If you only speak english your whole life, it's hard to learn another language because you're not used to it. But to me metric and imperial both gets the same work done.

@philandlyra3365

Жыл бұрын

Then there is Canada where we are all over we the map with these two systems basic visual is definitely easier in imperial for I would think most Canadians my age,

@ipadize

Жыл бұрын

@BronzeKaiser seconds and hours is the same no matter if metric or imperial

@ipadize

Жыл бұрын

@BronzeKaiser oh okay you got me there :)

I can help you switch ---- take 1mm and imperialize it. 3/8 of a mm.1/2 of a mm 61/64 of a mm or maybe 30 thousandths of a mm and so on.I think learning fractions is very useful but only required for imperial

In fact, the only real reason to stick with the imperial system is the cost of conversion. But I think it will be worth it. Just thinking about the students who have to convert feet to inches ...

Hey that was hilarious, you almost got me. Well done.

@ravanpee1325

Жыл бұрын

All the US inventions he mentioned are bascially invented by Germans, French and Britains (+Scots) e.g. Otto-motor engine, car, etc. Also Werner von Braun, former NASA boss, used metric. The guy always dreamed to aim for the stars, but unfortunaly just hit London

As a native "metric guy" it is hard for me to visualize the imperial measurements. Some are quite intuitive because in Europe we still use them (ie. in piping, rough lumber etc.) but luckily we are slowly transposing them to metric system as well. I work in food sector so I mostly making calculations of volumes, flows, pressures, temperatures, densities etc. In metric sytem (or to be more precise - International System of Units) is easy and intuitive. Some example? Please design a cuboid container that will hold 1 liter of water. Easy 10x10x10 cm, because 1 l is 1dm^3 (1000 cubic cenitmeters). Please do the same for 1 gallon (which is quite common measure like liter in Europe). Some hint? 1 cup is 14.4375 cubic inches and there are 16 cups in a gallon. Did it hepled? If you done the math correctly, one gallon is 231 cubic inches. So easy to remember and to visualize. I can agree that measuring some simple dimensions (thickness, distance from A to B, diameters etc.) it can be good enough to use imperial, but in more complex calculations it is problematic.

@theKashConnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

Metric made the choice to be easily convertible. Imperial made the choice to be easily relatable. It's easy to relate to what a foot is if you have one. Or a yard if you have an arm. You know that 100F is pretty hot outside and 0 is pretty cold, with anything too far outside of that being rather intolerable. A teaspoon is a splah, a cup is a pour, a gallon is a solid bucketfull. But all units are completely arbitrary. Unless you think the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second (in other words, a meter) is somehow a rational and intuitive value.

@patrickeder527

Жыл бұрын

You are only used to imperial. SI units are as relatable as the imperial ones. Length: 1m is a big step,… Temperature: Normal we use C and not Kelvin, because it is easier to hand. But the step is the same. For C 0 is freezing, 100 is bowling water, You know what’s hot and what is not. Mass: You get used to it. It can‘t be compared to it. Time: it‘s the same and it really sucks. The rest is not used in day to day bases. It makes more scence and 98% Countries agree.

@theKashConnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickeder527 The basis of SI units are far from relatable. A foot is based on the size of someone's foot. A meter is based on the distance light can travel in an infinitesimal fraction of a second. You can approximate a meter with a big step, but my size 12 shoe is EXACTLY 1 foot in length. But none of it really matters. It's all arbitrary. As long as we both can convert between each other's chosen system of metrology, the purpose of conveying information is still achieved.

@conceptofeverything8793

Жыл бұрын

@@theKashConnoisseur You do realize people have different size of feet? Heck man, I can measure my shoe in centimeters and it's gonna be even more accurate.

@theKashConnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

@@conceptofeverything8793 but everyone HAS feet, and the average foot size works as a rough approximation of the actual measure. A measure which was historically based on someone's actual foot, mind you. Not many people have the tools to measure the length of the path traveled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458th of a second. And the historical definitions of the meter are equally obtuse. This is exactly what I mean when I say Imperial units are more relatable.

This argument reminds me of an Information Technology idiom… “What’s the best thing about standards? There’s so many to choose from” At its core that’s what the metric system was designed and implemented to solve. No one is asking America to switch /tomorrow/ or to legally go back and adjust drawings for everything in the past. Just come around to what the vast majority of the rest of the world is using.

You are wrong about many things. The steam engine was invented by the Austrian Denis Papin in 1647. The internal engine was the work of Otto in 1863. The air conditioner was the work of the Frenchman Jean Chabanez in 1815.

I don’t think there’s a single solid argument here for why one is better than the other; they aren’t. As someone who can visualise both Imperial and Metric measurement systems and uses both interchangeably in everyday life I can honestly say that I prefer metric because that’s where I started just as anybody would prefer to speak in their native language.

@erm3041

Жыл бұрын

I kinda disagree that familiarity means one can't be better than another. Objectively the metric system is superior. I get what your saying though

@angrydragonslayer

Жыл бұрын

@@erm3041 i have actually been punched for asking the old "how much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water" joke

@TheStig505

Жыл бұрын

This is a flamebait video to get views

@ZZEROO99

Жыл бұрын

This video is a good example of why I hate the hypocritical machinist culture.

@matthewoconnor5690

Жыл бұрын

Working in the chemical industry, metric is far, far superior. Everything has a water based correlation. 1cc=1mL weighs 1gram, takes 1kCal to raise 1°C, contains 1 mol of molecules, has 1 microseimen of conductivity. I'm sure there's more, but that's all I've got off the top of my head.

Canadian CNC machinist here so i work with both. Just take a look a any imp/metric tap and drill size chart and tell me again, which one make more sense. You can defend a system that use units that most of the times have no relation with one another ie; foot vs mile but in the end, your brain dont have to fly 1000 yard per hour to understand wich one is simpler and more effective.

@angrydragonslayer

Жыл бұрын

Isnt 1000 yard per hour pretty slow? That's not even walking pace

@Danoliveira3

Жыл бұрын

@@angrydragonslayer but if your brain is flying something is wrong for sure! And if your brain is hovering at 0.914 km/h something is HELLA wrong

@Alex-rf1md

Жыл бұрын

nominal # sizes of screw being .060 + (#*.013) vs m4 is 4mm metric does have the big advantage of being simpler

You said some nice points about why they are not gonna change, but i don't think the imperial system is better to visualize, i live in brazil and used the metric system my entire life, if someone says their height, i instantly can imagine because i've seen it a lot. When i was learning to measure in the imperial system with an analog caliper i felt the fractions really counter intuitive, and also had to "translate" to metric so i can imagine what's about. Overall it's nice to see how someone from the other system thinks!

@HappyMathDad

Жыл бұрын

The guy on the video did say he has to translate. And then he went on to say that was a bad reason, he actually disliked in other areas.

The comments are right. The only accurate reason you gave about why the USA still uses imperial is because everything has been made in imperial and it is unfortunately impractical to change that at this point.

I've never once used a tea spoon or cup to measure anything while at work. Everyday I have to switch back and forth between Imperial and Metric. And Metric is hands down better. Especially when it comes to drills and reamers.

@awakendsails

Жыл бұрын

I think they're the same really. I could use a metric drill or an imperial one. When I'm working with drills sometimes the metric helps and sometimes the imperial helps. Sockets like 3/8 is so close to 10mm and the 11mm is so close to 7/16. Sometimes you have to use metric because you cant find the right size you're looking for. Depends on the work you need done and how close the measurements are you're looking for. I use them both cause it doesnt matter. Gets the work done is the one I use lol I'm not picky to stay with one or the other.

@showtimesrh

Жыл бұрын

@@awakendsails I totally get what you're saying. A good example of what I don't like happened the other day at work. I had a drilled hole called out at .386 diameter. You can't just grab a .386 drill. You got to look at the damn chart and see that it's calling for a W drill. Whereas if it were a metric drawing, it would have just called out 9.8mm. Numbers, letters and fractional sizes should just be replaced with decimals.

Ok Barry. It's useful in day to day work. when it comes to precision work imperial is the most horrible units to work with. The whole world is based on the metric system right now. including the base units of the imperial system. Missed your mark on this one.

@brahtrumpwonbigly7309

Жыл бұрын

This argument is false. The level of precision you are discussing is either outside the realm of normalcy, or can easily be attainable using imperial.

@angrydragonslayer

Жыл бұрын

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 please pass me the .296 drill

@angrydragonslayer

Жыл бұрын

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 or you might know which one better if i say drill number M (though that might be .295 if i remember your stupid system correctly)

One inch is 3 corn grains 😂 this is sooo accurate 😂 now develop habit based on this measurement and exclude everything better😂

"There are two kinds of countries. Those Who use metric and these who landed on the moon." Well, I guess the USSR used metric, when they send Lunik 2 to the moon.

It is not wise to say that the imperial system is more intuituve because everyone can visualize how long "a foot", or how much "a table spoon" can hold, because everyones feet is different size and not every spoon is the same. Its all arbitrary and the metric system was created for this reason, to remove the human sentiment from measurements. In processes where precision is neccessary, you have to rely on precise units, and thats the reason why Imperial Units are based on Metric Units. About the cost of change, thats a fair point.

@angrydragonslayer

Жыл бұрын

I mean... The actual reason is just us making better measurement equipment at the time the change was made I'm currently fiddling with a set of gauge blocks from the company that was the sole reason for an inch being 25.4mm instead of 25.3899 or 25.4296 (i took these numbers from memory but they're probably wrong)

@mikep3813

Жыл бұрын

@@angrydragonslayer why would they make it "exactly 25.4mm"? If they have the option to base it off the metric system wouldn't it make more sense to make an inch exactly 25mm?

@shaynegadsden

Жыл бұрын

@@mikep3813 because an inch was already a set measurement they just standardises it

@angrydragonslayer

Жыл бұрын

@@mikep3813 because 0.4mm matters

@WorBlux

Жыл бұрын

@@shaynegadsden Actually there were three different inches in use at the time, These gauge blocks introduced the industrial inch to allow WWI allies to share spare parts. The later the metric act very slightly nudged the inch to align with metric.

I'm Canadian so metric and imperial are interchangeable. We also use 3 different standards for date systems. mm/dd/yyyy, dd/mm/yyyy, yyyy/mm/dd. We just go with the flow. Personally, I even do carpentry in a mix of imperial and metric. I design it using imperial, but if I need to cut something to size it's easier for me to quickly look at and remember 120.8cm instead of 47 9/16". I find it's easier to re-find the measurement on the tape measure.

@theKashConnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

@sourand jaded no matter what you know its late in the year so no big deal.

Oh dear.... I'm only 2:09 into the video and I've already spotted a mistake. "Milli" is one thousandth, which is 0.001, *_not_* 0.0001. 0.0001 is one _ten-thousandth._ 0.1 = one tenth 0.01 = one hundredth 0.001 = one thousandth 0.0001 = one ten-thousandth

"A meter is too hard to divide." naw, man.

The imperial system is crap, and is no easier to visualize than metric, on the contrary. The one argument that I agree with is that imperial measures are closer to every day usage, but that only means that we could get some names for derived units that still present clear metric measures. There's no reason to use an inch when we could use something that measures exactly 2.5cm or even 5 cm and then get the benefit of easy operations without any loss in precision. But in saying that, we also already have it, since 5 cm is an easy unit of measure anyone can picture, and half of that is the same, all we're missing is funny names for it. The height example is the worst one, because feet are so inconsistent in size, whereas 2m is a very clear measurement, and you know that most women are about 160cm and men about 180cm. Adding or subtracting inches from that is more painful than decimeters.

@theKashConnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

But you also know most men are 6 feet tall and most women closer to 5 feet tall, which is far easier to remember and to measure. Unless you find the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second (your beloved meter) to be some deeply intuitive value. It's all arbitrary. Those who grew up with metric will prefer metric. Those who grew up with imperial will prefer imperial. The fact that some units are divisible by 10 makes them in no way superior to the base-12 units we all agree upon for timekeeping. Arguing about unit superiority is pointless jingoism.

@dmyt58

Жыл бұрын

@@theKashConnoisseur base 10 is the most logical since we use a nummeric system which is also base 10. I agree base 12 would be better but the amount of effort to get used to it is way to big, plus then we get the entire bs of subborn countries like the usa who refuse to switch so lets stay with base 10.

@theKashConnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

@@dmyt58 we all already use base 12 units to count hours lol. Unless you ACTUALLY thought that there were 10 hours in a day lol. Not to mention that minutes and seconds are base-60 units. Also, for the math fans out there, measures of angle and geographic coordinates are a base-60 system as well. So we all are familiar with at least some non-decimal systems. Like I said, it's all arbitrary. None are inherently better than the others.

@Liggliluff

Жыл бұрын

Instead of having a name for a unit of 5 cm, you could just say 5 cm.

@theKashConnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

@@Liggliluff which is still a name for communicating the concept of 5 cm...

Let's just say it's all about what you are used to.

When somone say add 16g of salt it is 16g a table spoon can be different sizes and it makes a huge differens if the result is 14-20g of salt instead of exactly 16 as was intended. And no imperial is not more intuitive as somone who have grown up using meric I alway have to convert becaus I have no concept of how long 80feet is I always think its about 80/3 around 27m for it to make sense

Why can’t you buy a quart of soda? Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. In the meantime I set my DRO to metric when needed. 🎃

ok the intro was already bad. Because Nasa uses Metric XD so that statement is already invalid 3:16 and 80% of that stuff was actually invented in Europe. Why the fuck am i even still watching

@Chris03w

Жыл бұрын

You are watching a man present "Facts" which he has been told and strongly believes. Because according to him, no other nation could be better than the united states. Even if almost all of his statements are wrong and his "reasons" why Imperial is better is because he grew up with it, and doesn't know anything else.

@iksz666

Жыл бұрын

For example: - automobile and two stroke engine: Karl Benz (German), Sir Dugald Clerk (Scotland) - four stroke engine: Nicolaus August Otto (German) - telephone: Philip Reis (German) - lightbulb: Humphry Davy (England) - steam engine: George Stephenson (England)

Don't take this comment as hate on your channel or on Titan CNC. I pretty much love what you do here on youtube. Teaching and encoruaging people to learn is invaluable but.... This video is as imprecise as the imperial system.... First automobile: Benz Patent-Motorwagen Lightbulb: Edison improved on the filament, the lightbulb as is already existed. Refrigerator : Scottish professor William Cullen designed a small refrigerating machine in 1755. Steam engine / steam locomotive: Thomas Savery was an English inventor and engineer. He invented the first commercially used steam-powered device. Steam locomotives were first developed in the United Kingdom during the early 19th century and used for railway transport until the middle of the 20th century Sewing machine: the invention of the first sewing machine, is generally considered to have been the work of Englishman Thomas Saint in 1790 Internal combustion engine: The first commercially successful internal combustion engine was created by Étienne Lenoir around 1860 (french / belgian). Modern cities:.........define modern. At this point i don't know if this video is a complete troll or a glorification of MURICA! Some other "glorious" moments in the video: 4:18 Didn't know a "spoon" was a unit of the imperial system. 4:48 If you consider "adult human feet" easy to visualize, you should stop looking at people's feet, you kinky boy. As i said, i'm not hating on you guys but, as you well know in your day to day job, precision is paramount and the "margin of error" is way to big this time. Much love.

Base 10 is a lot easier to work with than base 12 when making calculations, inches gets worse when you have fractions and decimals and you have to convert between them. Mm or cm are also finer methods of measuring metric that can give you more accurate whole number approximations. I switched to metric when I started 3d printing (mostly due to the software being largely developed in Europe and Asia), but I haven't really looked back since using 4-5 decimals as opposed to 1 or 2 which is all that's required for most metric prints. At least in CAD you notice a huge boost in speed because you aren't copying 5 digits place to place, you just say 4.5mm instead of .187 inches. On larger objects things skew more, but most household objects are made around the metric system, so while a measuring cup may have teaspoons and tablespoos, I don't know how many objects I could grab and say "this is exactly 5 inches long", to be fair you can't do it with metric either however that takes away most of the advantage of imperial being able to use references to get a decent idea of a dimension. Overall they both stack up largely the same but I think I could metric is faster to design and check parts with.

@Anonymous-df8it

Жыл бұрын

No. If we switched both our counting system *_AND_* our measuring system, then the number base wouldn't matter

@wage4598

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-df8it but that's wholy unrealistic and the reason metric feels more intuitive for more people.

@Anonymous-df8it

Жыл бұрын

@@wage4598 Well, switching to metric is unrealistic anyways when it comes to Americans lol! Also, US customary units make no sense anyways, no matter what number base you use!

@wage4598

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-df8it as an American I use pretty exclusively metric. Most of what I do is with 3d printing which is pretty much all metric everything. You usually suffer from trying to use imperial with it. It's not impossible, I know there's 25.4mm in an inch, my calipers have both, my CAD software is fluent with either, but I model 3x faster with imperial because there's just fewer numbers involved.

@Anonymous-df8it

Жыл бұрын

@@wage4598 If you model faster with imperial, then why do you exclusively use metric?

crazy, we should ban any remaining 15" something, x-foot container classification or flying n-feet high immediately and forever.

I grew up with the imperal system and when I started machineing I found the metric system wins hands down. When the majority of the world changed to metric the reason America didn't was cost.

@onelyone6976

Жыл бұрын

AFAIK in the 70s there was even a plan on how to switch America to the metric system. And if I'm not mistaken the American inch was standardized with the metric system, so now an American inch is exactly 25,4mm

Жыл бұрын

Not just cost. There's also tradition, inertia, and of course American Exceptionalism.

Жыл бұрын

@@onelyone6976 That inch standard based on Metric had nothing to do with any planned switch to Metric. It was simple: the UK, the US, and some other former colonies just made up their mind that they had to standardize on a common unit size. And since a much larger part of the world already worked together on refining and maintaining the SI, why not just use that as a base? BTW, the US was one of the signatories of the Treaty of the Meter in *1875.*

This is a weird take for this channel... was hoping for a 'gotcha' in the end 😔 Metric is all around you. Your electricity is metric. Your soda cans are metric. Your so-called "health care system" is metric (drugs) Your entire military is metric, etc... Metric is coming for you Barry, you better hang on 😀 Also, you didnt mention America already tried switching to metric back in the 70s, but found it too difficult to implement. Sweden switched from driving in the left-hand side to the right-hand side in 1 day without incident. Meanwhile the Muricans cant count to 10 🤣

@chaddanylak8706

Жыл бұрын

some of there bullet are metric to, like 9mm round

@johnwick7175

Жыл бұрын

@@chaddanylak8706 5.56, 7.62 :P

@barrysetzer

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha great comment! Metric is certainly better for some things. But the cost and implementation here would be far to high and difficult.

@spudpud-T67

Жыл бұрын

@@barrysetzer The mental cost would be the problem.

@devoarco5084

Жыл бұрын

i guess you got your "gottcha" moment in the second video xD

I love when they say it about the landing on the moon, due to that they ware put there by an ex Nazi and the use of the metric system. :)

One genuine supporting argument for imperial vs metric in the USA is that of mil-spec aerospace hardware. Metric mil-spec fasteners are hens teeth and crazy expensive in the USA. However imperial mil-spec hardware is plentiful and cheap relative to metric equivalents.

I have never heard a more american argument. Just leave it at, ya'll like it and keep it there. The superiority of stacking feet compared to standardized measurements, only makes sense for ppl educated in a third world country.

changing to metric isn't a case of overnight everything must be changed to metric. It'd mean everything new should be done in metric. This results in about a 20yr transition period as older imperial systems are replaced with newer metric based ones.

@VolkCNC

Жыл бұрын

It will never change. Just look at Canada. It's still a half and half country. Official units are metric but everyday use is imperial.

@Cassiusisback

Жыл бұрын

so what you say is, the only reason you dont change is the fact, that you are to lazy?

Interesting note about refrigeration. From the wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration A few paragraphs down under Refrigeration Research: "The first practical vapour-compression refrigeration system was built by James Harrison, a British journalist who had emigrated to Australia." The reason why I remember it is due to the story I heard that refrigeration was used to keep Beer cold. Australian priorities. :)

Its my understanding that Wernher Von Braun designed the whole moon launching system in metric and then it was converted to imperial so US engineers could build it.

I sold cutting tools to various machine and mold shops in my area. I got a call from a mold shop that did rubber mold for General Motors. All dimensions had been converted to metric. There was a tap callout that had every engineer confused and they called me to help. The tapped hole was listed as 12.7mm-13. After I stopped laughing I told them that it was an Imperial 1/2-13 tapped hole.

@nepenthesspectabilis1907

Жыл бұрын

Love this one! 12.7 by 13. What a laugh. All hese Germans in the comments are mislead. I get their prints every day and the amount of over engineering is incredible. No wonder they can’t be present on the world stage without the EU. Perfection without proper tolerances cost money. Money any country in the EU can’t afford. USA for life.

@RayLautenschlager

Жыл бұрын

@@nepenthesspectabilis1907 I have a German last name but am as American as apple pie. I live in Akron, Ohio.

@nepenthesspectabilis1907

Жыл бұрын

@@RayLautenschlager I’m so sorry if I made my comment sound disrespectful. I truely am. I didn’t even notice your last name. (Nor do I even know what last names come from what countries) Your comment made me laugh so I thought I’d share my experiences with you about metric blueprints and that striking up a conversation with you could be interesting. Now that I reread you comment. Germany isn’t even brought up so I see the confusion. But alot and I mean ALOT of the others who commented on this video are from Germany. I should have been more clear… My apologies!

There is no way one could call them self a good machinist and not be able to use either

@awakendsails

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@Cassiusisback

Жыл бұрын

if you know metric in a metric country, there is absolutely no reason to ever use imperial. what you say claims there are no good machinists on the world exept those few in america who use metric. which is absolute nonsense :)

@dmc5681

Жыл бұрын

@@Cassiusisback what i mean is if you cant learn to use either then you wont be a good machinist

@GrumpyMachinist

Жыл бұрын

This should be the top comment.

@kleini3

Жыл бұрын

Hell nah u can keep ur spoons and feet’s for your cocking but when it comes down to machining get on the lvl of metric.

Statement that imperial system is more intuitive or makes more sense in day to day tasks really only apply if you've been raised by the imperial system. Same way people that have been raised by metric system can pretty easily proximate a meter or kg or what temperature would be in °C

I've started working with imperial and after 10 we had to change to metric because wed join the EU and it's the new standard, so we had to change to metric in the it was difficult but after a while I realized it's a simple system and easier use.

NASA used metric to land on the moon XD no shaming though

“Imperial is superior, because America is superior” lol what a typical USA argument point 🤦‍♂️ This is the dumbest video from Titans to date, or they’re trolling 😆

@barrysetzer

Жыл бұрын

YESSSS AMERICA!!!!

Did no one notice the mistake with milli? It's 0,001 (one thousandth), not 0,0001 as it's stated in the video.

I've grow up and graduated under metrics system in Europe. When moved to America adopted imperial system quickly. Working in CAD CAM in Silicon Valley I've used both systems equally. Both systems are incorporated in High Tech design.

I'm a machinist too, and I use metric. the advantage of that is that you have less decimals to deal with when you have to use math. Most of the world uses metric, so in an international market it pays to use metric since almost everyone uses it. whether you grew up with metric or imperial, it is easier to visualize size, length etc. with the system that you grew up with, or use the most. they are just different systems of measurement, they are equally accurate. just because it's harder for you to visualize with metric doesn't mean imperial is better than metric. it just means you're used to it and haven't used metric enough to visualize it as easily. I see your point about cost to change the measurement system. it would not be practical to change everything at once in the way you describe it in the video. But you don't need to change old drawings and other things to change the measurement system, you can just start using metric on new drawings and products and over time filter out old design, which will at some point be updated or replaced anyway. Also putting more emphasis on the metric system in education and school would also have been a good idea, but I have got the impression that Americans do not want to change the measurement system anyway.🤷‍♀

@Aqsticgod

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU, just because you see it as easier cuz you grew up with it, doesnt make it any better, and i used to operate a cnc plasma cutter, and whether i used metric or imperial in both my machines(one of the machines program favored metric the other imperial, dont ask me why, but it worked) they would both fuck up from time to time and cut me weird shaped pieces not in line with what i typed. truth is both units have its flaws and the asinine elitism behind both has gotten to sjw levels of retarded.

The Pyramids of Giza are bullt off the METRIC . . . name ONE structure that's superior to that.. I thought so, haha'

@brahtrumpwonbigly7309

Жыл бұрын

Mount Rushmore. Hell, that's measured in "oversized faces".

@spudpud-T67

Жыл бұрын

lol there is nothing outside of merica, metric is just terrorism. BTW merica is flat and not a metric globe.

The fact that you proceed to show English buses for metric system even tho they don' use it makes a perfect illustration that you don't know anything about what you are saying.

"Accuracy isn't that important" -TITANS of CNC MACHINING ~2022~

That whole argument is based on familiarity I’m quite sure you can make a metric cut using imperial measurement if you have highly precise equipment. As a person who has learned both systems if I needed to measure an imperial part and only had metric measuring tools I’d measure it and use that measurement and don’t convert at all just use the measurement I took with the equipment I had.

@WorBlux

Жыл бұрын

The exception being threads, there's no easy ratio between the two. Some Lathes have two lead screws, but many can only cut one type of thread or the other.

I've worked with both systems everyday since day one, so I have an unbiased opinion. imperial is ok maybe if you are building houses, but precision machinists use metric. and that's how I've always seen it, but at the end of the day use whatever you are comfortable with. boom!

I'm unconvinced. Your cup example is actually a good point. Cups can come in different sizes... I hate getting a recipe that tells me to add a cup of flour. Am I adding 330ml or 568ml? Because I've got cups in both of those sizes, but both are cups. The net result of what I get at the end will be entirely different. On the contrary, if I am told to put 400g of flour into the recipe, I know I don't need to be too accurate, but even if I go 20g over or under I'll be much more close to correct than with "a cup". Higher precision is more information, basically. Why would anyone think having less information is an advantage?

Minute’s have 60sec because it is based on 60 base system invented in ancient Sumer, they also divided a circle to 360 deg as well.

I’m familiar with both. Both definitely have there pros and cons as you mentioned. The only I do have a problem with is cups. Now that is not a measuring size

@Birb_of_Judge

Жыл бұрын

My biggest problem is the inventions he mentioned, because most of those aren't American 😂😂

@Foga001

Жыл бұрын

Two girls, one cup

@Thomas3DP

Жыл бұрын

Can you name just 1 con of the metric system?

@adriankowalski5492

Жыл бұрын

@@Thomas3DP You could be done your job faster and have more time for eating lunch, and getting fatter.

@spudpud-T67

Жыл бұрын

@@Thomas3DP They ain't built on freedoooom opps thats was not merican either.

maybe you should rate your health system with imperial also. but wait 0 (zero) is both zero in imperial and metric.

As some kind of a machinist (~25 years around) I wonder if you have forgotten DIN (Deutche Industri Norme) that is quite important worldwide... I don't necessarily agree with the "we brought light to the world" though you have made nice things. I was looking at a Starret "Tap and Drill chart" and wondered about how difficult one can make a simple thing. M10x1,5 → 10-1,5=8,5 → drillsize 8.5mm. M10 on a rod: take a ∅10 rod, take a die and make a thread. No matter if it is M10X1 or M10X1,5 or something in between. I know there is a thread that is allmost the same (⅜ something?) but I have no idea on how to find it in a chart like that. And the drillsize is 0.XXXX but the drill is named something completely else. When I make parts in the lathe I often have to get them into +/-0.01 mm (hole +, "bar" -). Even if I would put one digit more, +/-0.001" is still +/-0.0254 mm so +/-0.0005" is getting close with +/-0.0127 mm. For me ∅60 mm is much easier to comprehend than ∅2.3622(047244)", or is that 2 13/98" or something 🤭😋... Like with volume/mass: water 1 dm³→1 l →1 kg→1000 grams. I truely tried to make a similar "path" in imperial (using Wikipedia "Imperial Units") but didn't succeed. I admit that I am defeated 🤯😱😉.

I'd love to see an example where the number of factors of 12 (2 and 3 - 4 and 6 are just multiples) compared to those of 10 (2 and 5) gives a practical advantage.

Haha... But international standard of imperial system is maintained thru metric system. Even in the US. 😅

@brahtrumpwonbigly7309

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it would be strange if the international community maintained their standards in imperial, considering America is the onky one using it, basically. All that means is that imperial is exactly as repeatable and useable as metric as a system of measurement.

Even Adam Savage believes that metric is better and he is trying to switch

My old man had (still got) a vernier gauge with metric and imperial markings. Not unusual now, but in the late 50’s-early 60’s uk unheard of. Used to come free with Karl Mayer knitting machines from Germany. Interestingly it was made by Mauser , who had been forced to stop making firearms and had diversified into engineering equipment.