A big chuck of the comments on this video bring up the poor accuracy of the Seiko 6R35 caliber. Im not discounting anyone's claims on the poor performance they experienced with the SPB143, and I think it would be interesting to share my own experience with the 6R35 with an update every couple of months or so. As of 25th May 2024, and 6 months from buying the watch. Watch is running +1 second per day with a 0.2 beat error.

@1250GSX

Ай бұрын

Mine was very accurate at 6 months and thought the whole thing was overblown. Now after a couple of years it's gradually got worse to where I'm at the point where I might sell it. Shame

I've had mine more than 3 years. Love it. Even in a collection of many more expensive swiss and seiko watches, its one of my favorites.

I don’t think there’s a better price/quality diver on the market right now. The sizing of this watch hits a sweet spot. It’s so good.

We share the same kind of story with the watch. I first laid eyes on the model when it first released in 2020. Fell in love instantly. 1400€ msrp in Finland was way too much for me at the time. The first time I tried it on at an AD was late 2021 - Still, totally in love but still the price was a no go coming from a Seiko 5 background. Years went by, and this was in my instagram feed nonstop, so you could say that I was pretty familiar with the watch already although not owning it. Finally on march 2024 I pulled the trigger when i saw the launch of the updated version. It felt wrong with the date window position and the "automatic 3 days" text. Also gone was the grey sunburst dial. Almost 2 months of owning the spb143 and wearing it everyday (or atleast part of the day) I could not be happier. All the years of seeing the watch in social media/youtube you'd think that the watch has become oversaturated to me but no - Everytime when I look at the watch I smile, atleast internally. It makes me happy. Also, the watch is manufactured on my 1st childs birth year, so yeah - its a keeper.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story with the SPB 143. Enjoy wearing it, it's a keeper for sure.

@atrain4980

2 ай бұрын

Bought mine in April 2021, as a birthday present for myself. A local jewelry franchise (Kultajousi, for my fellow finnish spb143 owner) had an offer for -20% for pretty much everything, so I was able to get it for 960 euros. Got me hooked on watches, so half a year later bought a Black Bay 58. Ended up selling the Tudor, since I always preferred to grab the spb143. Still, 3 years later, I constantly find myself staring at it. Also, averaging about 2 secs a day, so no complaints on accuracy either.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

@atrain4980 excellent. Keep on enjoying your SPB143 my man.

From the moment I first saw the SPB213 on the Seiko website I fell in love with it, and purchased it as soon as I could! I loved it so much, in fact, I purchased the SPB147 gilt dial just 6 months later! And they have both continued to be some of my absolute favorite watches to wear for 3 yrs now.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Awesome! The 213 I only saw once at the AD, not as common. Enjoy wearing them.

I bought one of the first generation 143s without the lume at 3 o’clock. I loved the looks and the way it wore on the wrist. The 6r35 movement however on my watch at least was very poor. It was extremely variable in timekeeping and was between -10 to -25 seconds off per day. I took it to a local watchmaker who regulated it for me (free of charge) but advised that the movement was so unstable it would soon be varying widely again, hence waiving the charge, He was right. The 6r35 is basically a 6r15😢 with a longer mainspring to increase power reserve. This has come at the cost of accuracy. I sold the watch and replaced it with a Swiss watch for a similar price running a Sellita movement, accurate to +5s / day. The SPB 143 is a great looking watch and if you get one with a stable 6r35 movement then you are fortunate. I didn’t and will no longer buy Seiko mechanical watches.

@brown8174

2 ай бұрын

Which Swiss watch did you choose? My Seiko has been disappointing as well. It's an SKX007.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

The 6R movement in the 143 was definitely in there to manage the cost. But a better movement would have driven the price high like the SLA models. Enjoy your Swiss watch, I have a Sellita SW200 and it's great.

@ApurtureSci

2 ай бұрын

My Alpinist loses about 30 seconds a day 🥲

@lNgemarsson

2 ай бұрын

Had the same experience with mine too. After a couple months it annoyed me so much that I sold the watch.

@iBlindPanic

2 ай бұрын

@@WatchFocus8800 citizen 9xxx is far more accurate and cheaper, just have a look at the challenge diver, Seiko is no longer what it used to be . For reference my citizen is stable at 3 sec a day on the wrist, on a time graph it of course varies per position.

Really nice video.. My wife bought me the SPB239J1 just before Christmas and its a stunning watch. You cant go wrong with this flavour of watch no mater which variation you go for. Someone at work recently commented on it by ask me if it was a watch from the 1970's, I love the fact that it gives out that vibe.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

From the 70s, that's one hell of a compliment. Congrats on the SPB239. Enjoy wearing it.

Have the non lume version too, cannot be happier

I've always liked this watch and finally bought it yesterday. I think it's a future classic. The look and dimensions are almost perfect.

@robertkujawa9677

2 ай бұрын

Congrats. I'm just waiting for mine to turn up 🙌

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Congrats on the purchase. You won't regret it.

I REALLY wanted to love this watch. And I did, but the QC on my version was horrible. There was debris under my crystal, and my movement was -30 a day. I don't understand how such an expensive watch would make it to market with these flaws, but I really enjoyed how the watch wore on my wrist.

@NinjaKid1985

2 ай бұрын

Warranty!?

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to hear that. If it would make you feel any better, my IWC Pilot Chronograph has debris under the crystal, and that cost way more than a Seiko.

Great cinematography and beautiful shots.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.

I really love mine. Own it for 2 months now. The movement is great and had to have one. Swap the brachelet for an sailcloth strap and this is the perfect combination.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Congrats on the purchase. Just like you, I swapped out the bracelet right after I unboxed it.

I have a first edition SPB143 and really love it. I've recently been looking at the new SJE101 Marinemaster and really love the look of it plus it has an upgraded movement over the 143. Problem I'm having is that here in the UK with a discount, I can get it for £2600. That just seems a lot for a Seiko. If it was £1800, I think I wouldn't hesitate

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

2600 pounds is a lot of money anyway you look at it. But the new SJE101 is a sweet looking watch, and the movement is in a different league.

Just picked up a used SPB143 for £500, fantastic condition, it’s the original version without any lume index at 3. Very pleased with it so far. My only other watch is an Omega Aqua Terra in white, so the SPB is making a nice two watch collection now.

@WatchFocus8800

21 күн бұрын

Sure is a nice two watch collection. Great price too on the SPB 👍

Thanks for the good strap ideas….ordered these to try on my Seiko SKX173 Divers Watch, the original disintegrated here in the Florida heat.

@WatchFocus8800

Ай бұрын

You're welcome.

Great video man 👏

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

That means a lot coming from you. I appreciate it.

It’s a great looking watch and very wearable. I wear mine on a rubber strap and it frequently has more wrist time than more expensive watches in my collection. It’s definitely a strap monster. Great Vid👍

@WatchFocus8800

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. Enjoy your SPB.

@leonmatthew7

Ай бұрын

Looking to get a rubber strap for mine.. what you got yours on Colin?

@colinearwaker3329

20 күн бұрын

⁠A rubber strap on mine. Infact I never used the supplied bracelet. I tried it with a NATO for a a couple of weeks then switched to a replica seiko rubber strap. Love it.

I will never be able to get one this beauty.

Best bracelet on it would be the Z199 from Uncle Straps. I also prefer the 2020 version of this watch.

@WatchFocus8800

21 күн бұрын

Thank you, I'm tempted to buy one now.

I hope i can get one before the end of this year

I'm by no means rich but, while I have a fairly easy time spending big money on a Submariner, I have a difficult time spending over $900 for a Seiko. Perhaps for my 71st or 72nd birthday? My birthdays are when I splurge on watches.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

I understand where you're coming from. If you like it well enough, I think you can bring yourself to splurge a bit on a Seiko 😉

What’s your source that this will be discontinued? I want one but can’t do it until September.

Congrats!

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

I probably got lucky with my SPB's movement. Mine is spot on.

@atrain4980

2 ай бұрын

Same here. Averaging +2secs a day or less, when wearing it 24/7.

@pogamassing9586

Ай бұрын

Mine to. + 1 or 2 seconds a day.

@maitrehg

5 күн бұрын

Same here but I've only had it for 3 months. Fingers crossed !

If anyone wants this watch but dont have the funds…go get yourself a seestern 38mm 62mas homage. I have a SLA043 and a SPB297, the Seestern is just as good for the price!

I thoguht this watch for a year and finally bought it 2 years ago. I got a smaller discount but bought it from the AD . No regrets and no more watches for me because of it hah 😂

I spent €3.300 euro on a Seiko SLA021 Marinemaster 300. At the time it was my grail watch. Present time, it is still a watch I love and wear with pride next to my Oris, Tag Heur and Rolex watches, and it is never leaving my collection. Is it worth it? Heck yes! I bought the SPB143 at retail (€1.200,- at the time) and with this Seiko, I still think it's worth it because I enjoy it every time I wear it. And that's my criterium.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the feedback. The SLA021 is an awesome watch. You hit the nail on its head. If you enjoy it and think it's worth it, then that's all that matters.

Most I've spent on a Seiko? SLA059 from an authorized dealer....$2700. Been eyeing the SPB143 for a while now. Guess I should pull the trigger before it's discontinued.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Nice, that red dial design is awesome. Thanks for the comment.

Spb147 for me 600€ totally new. Probably my best Seiko.

@wayneturner1336

2 ай бұрын

The spb147 is, in my opinion, the best of the releases. Nice choice.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Many that own the 143 or 147 would share that sentiment, myself included. 👍

Last year when I bought the SJE093 4K

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

That's a beautiful watch my man.

You mind sharing the company name you got it from?

The green tropic strap. Please provide info on it

@WatchFocus8800

Ай бұрын

All starp info provided in the video description.

The bezel is indeed slighlty misaligned ;)

SPB453 is the new successor

@maitrehg

5 күн бұрын

I prefer the 143.

I’ve wanted one since it dropped, I think this is the year I get it…

@ab-surd

2 ай бұрын

Just go for it, you won't regret it!

I prefer the Citizen Fujitsubo for the price

@hudldevice1092

2 ай бұрын

Same here. Better movement than the Seiko, better quality control and without the massively over-inflated price.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

The citizen is a very good watch with a nice movement. My only issue with it was the bezel action didn't feel solid.

The watch is about a good looking as you can get. But the movement is a piece of crap. Got mine from Sakura for $800 but had to send it back a few months later because it was losing 30 spd. They adjusted it and its decently accurate positional variance is horrible. Depending on how you wear it that day it will vary by 3-10 spd …usually losing time

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your insight. Hopefully, it's more of an outlier than a common thing.

@jwags24

2 ай бұрын

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. The movement on mine was absolutely horrible. -30 on a good day. This was AFTER a service as well.

@denbo74

2 ай бұрын

@@WatchFocus8800 unfortunately it’s very common…more than I understood when I bought it. To make it worse I can’t find a watchmaker willing to work on it. They won’t touch this or lesser Seiko movements as they say they simply can’t be adjusted to be consistent.

@denbo74

2 ай бұрын

@@jwags24 go on the forums. Lots of people have issues. I have a timegrapher and all my Seikos are wildly different from position to position. Anywhere from +3 to -15 on my 143 AFTER Seiko “fixed” it. If I’m lucky and wear it just right it will be less than -7 spd

Beatiful review! What's your wrist size ?

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, I appreciate it. 16.7 cm

mine doesn't have the lume right next to the date, what does that mean..?

@meindertsprang7491

2 ай бұрын

The lume on all hours is required for ISO 6425 certification. Seiko added the lume next to the date in a later revision to be certified.

@wayneturner1336

2 ай бұрын

First release, later editions had the lume plot next to the date to meet ISO6425 standards for dive rated watches.

@4by_yotaguy373

2 ай бұрын

Seiko forgot 😳🙃

@Thesupermanning

2 ай бұрын

It means yours is the more collectible version, before seiko butchered their date windows to comply with the new dive standard.

I owned the affordable version of this watch which is Casio duro

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Nice, the Casio is a bargain for what you get.

Yeah I swore off Seiko when I had 3 dud 6r series movements and realized it’s an issue Seiko doesn’t care to fix. I can get great Swiss watches for the prices these watches are selling for so suffice to say Seiko is a shit brand now

@nedflanders3769

2 ай бұрын

I had this one, bought it used. The 6R ran like shit and was extremely inconsistent, running way too fast then way too slow. Sold it instead of getting it serviced. Same with my SARB017 which has a 6R movement. Runs like shit. Seiko couldn’t care less. They’re laughing all the way to the bank.

@MohammedKhaled-ju7gy

2 ай бұрын

@@nedflanders3769 I spend about 700 for a certina diver watch with eta 2824 and it’s a dream. 12-15 secs faster over a week so pretty accurate too. Never buying a seiko again unless I’m looking at GS or GS derived movements like on OG 62 mas reissue

No lume at 3pm, is first edition.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

That is correct.

@ab-surd

2 ай бұрын

Yep, I own that model. It's a collectors item, because these were produces for just a short period of time.

@harrykuo2573

2 ай бұрын

Nothing to collect if it has 6r35 inside.

@TheBrian9210

2 ай бұрын

​@@harrykuo2573why's that? Mine is running great

@kresimirpleic

2 ай бұрын

That is because 6R35 is the worst movement in the world as far as serious watches are concerned (so, I'm not including some Chinese movements or no name movements here). No other mechanical automatic movement on the market is as consistently unreliable as the 6R35. It has a big window of stated accuracy, shows loads of positional variance, it can gain or lose time on a whim, and there are numerous reports of it simply dying a few months after buying a brand new watch. It should be noted that this can all happen with ANY movement on the market regardless of the brand. However, with 6R35 it is the sheer frequency of these reports that makes a lot of buyers to consider it an immediate deal breaker. The chances of getting a bad 6R35 are so high compared to other serious movement manufacturers that you are literally taking a risk buying a Seiko in that range. And don't forget that 6R35 equipped watches are not cheap. Of course they can run great, as you said yourself, but why take a risk when every other movement in the price range mops the floor with the Seiko?

SPB051 has a better fit and finish, the 151 is the downgrade. Only upside to the 151 is a slightly smaller size and and the updated diving iso rating.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

SPB051 is beautiful. Just can't have them all.

Nice, but too small. On 8,5 inch wrist looks like a watches for ladies. But nice, very nice.

Great Video! What NATO is that?

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. You can find details and links to some of the straps I use in the video description.

Where did you get the blue watch strap @5:27?

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

You'll find links to some of the watch straps I use in the video description.

Huh? Were did you hear that the Spb143 is being discontinued?

@4by_yotaguy373

2 ай бұрын

It's an educated guess. The original SPB143 models have been out for 4 years now, and Seiko recently released a new, revamped line to take their place. It's just a matter of time.

I have an spb145. The bronze boutique Dial. After getting it, i haven't bought a new watch since, it's been 4 years now. Still looking at watches, but nothing compelling enough.

@WatchFocus8800

Ай бұрын

Yes, I can see how the SPB can do that. Enjoy the watch for many more years to come. Thanks for the comment.

@daveLin104

Ай бұрын

Looks a great colour do you wear on original bracelet?

@gobgobcachoo

Ай бұрын

@@daveLin104 I rotate it depending on mood and weather. The watch is a strap monster.

@WatchFocus8800

Ай бұрын

@@daveLin104 not yet, but I'll probably put it on the bracelet this summer.

For this money, Certina!

@WatchFocus8800

Ай бұрын

Certina make very nice watches and you can't argue with their prices.

2:36 Sorry but you either missed one click or it's misaligned

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

No, it's alligned. Might be the camera angle.

@SgtDuster

2 ай бұрын

@@WatchFocus8800 👌

I won't tell you how much I got it for, you would all be very envious.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Don't tell us how much you got it for. Just tell us your secret so we can use it for future purchases.

@TheShaolinSoldier

2 ай бұрын

@@WatchFocus8800 A family member was on a cruise ship, I don't know if it was a flash sale or that was just the price for the whole journey. I will ask next time I see them.

Really? You think $1200 is a lot for a Seiko? 🤔. Brand new they’re usually negotiable even from authorized retailers. With that being said there’s a ton of Seikos that are $2k-$5k. Whether the value perceived by you isn’t there is one thing but to me $1200 is the sweet spot for a Seiko. You usually get a high quality movement which is the mid 6R as you said. A sapphire crystal and the finish is usually very high quality and in general the watch usually looks very nice at that price tier.

@wayneturner1336

2 ай бұрын

100% It’s entirely on track for the quality of the watch. People got too used to seiko knocking out turtles and Skx’s for 300$ that were dive certified, seikos just charging appropriate prices now.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

I agree with everything you say, but like @wayneturner1336 said, I got used to seeing Seikos for $300 a pop. So, seeing one for $1000 or more could come as a shock. The quality is there though and it's well worth it.

@TheCdM1981

2 ай бұрын

@@WatchFocus8800 I feel like most are over $1k now. I just bought the new limited edition colored marinemaster and that was a little shock for me for a Seiko. But well worth the $2800 which I did get for slightly less.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

@TheCdM1981 these Seikos are really getting pricey.

@TheCdM1981

2 ай бұрын

@@WatchFocus8800 I mean they were always pricey depending on model. In the early 2000’s a Matinemaster 300 was $1800-$2k. To put that into perspective. In regard to inflation in 2003 if you bought a MM300 for $1800 that’s equal to over $3000 in 2024. So it’s actually in essence more affordable now in regard to the current value of a dollar. The issue is people get lost in the “cheap” or more affordable watches Seiko has or does make and thinks that’s what price tier they Seiko offers. Never was true. They offer different tiers of quality which equal different tiers of prices. That’s why Seiko confuses things with different lines like “Grand Seiko” and to an extent even “King Seiko.” It’s to make people feel more comfortable with spending $10k on a Seiko. Branding is everything.

6R35 movement? No thank you!

Looks like Rolex submariner

The newest version is better in every aspect except the 3 days written on the dial

Nah, unless they make it 38 or 36mm, I’m not getting one.

@watchouch

2 ай бұрын

Someone has a girl wrist

@sbusisozulu995

Ай бұрын

You waiting for a kids version…

@TermlessHGW

Ай бұрын

It's 40.5 mm. You got baby wrists or what?

@NinjaStroll

Ай бұрын

Same here I just don't understand why the seiko scientists can't make a dive watch under 40mm anymore

@watchouch

Ай бұрын

@@NinjaStroll sje093

Just get a Chinese micro brand for $200.

Seiko watches are overpriced 20-30% to begin with, the quality doesn’t match the prices they are asking

Never pay full retail for a Seiko. You can always get a discount of 30-45% depending on the model and the ADs willingness to discount. So making a video asking if anyone is willing to pay full retail for a Seiko is pretty pointless and daft.

plus or minus 20 seconds per day or about 100x less accurate than a 30 year old quartz watch

That's an appalling movement at that price!

6R35, no way!!! I returned two SPB143J1.

Nope. Not even worth the $700 you paid. Lots of complaints with the 6R movement.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

The looks alone are worth 700

Ended up going with the SPB 313 and couldn’t be happier with it.

@WatchFocus8800

2 ай бұрын

Enjoy wearing it in good health.

@Explorer40mm

2 ай бұрын

@@WatchFocus8800 you as well. Seiko make great watches

For this specific model I would pay easily a max of 750 euros.

you’re literally my comfort person i love you #nkuwan !

In Toronto canada I buy a super super clone I bring it to a rolex expert he say it was real rolex . Unbelievable. Your super clone look just like mine. You a expert but a regular person like me will never know. Imagine on nkuwan