This is the same narcissistic superiority complex that Lucifer had

@dmythica

Жыл бұрын

Much less narcissistic than the false god you believe in though.

@Heaveniswaitingforyou

Жыл бұрын

Well said! Doesn’t it say that those that truly hate God even in the Great Tribulation will still shake their fists at God. You have to be so evil and prideful.

@rosemarietolentino3218

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think they would be fighting to win souls for themselves against the other. If they were the same.

@gayflover3569

Жыл бұрын

You mean god wanting the credit for lucifers work? If refusing that is narcissistic than how about you give me all the credit for your work or are you a narcissist?

@robertwaller-mc1pb

Жыл бұрын

@@gayflover3569 None of what you just said made any logical sense whatsoever

If you don't want God, He will grant your request and cast you away from Himself.

@dmythica

Жыл бұрын

How do you know that?

@dragonslayerornstein9553

Жыл бұрын

As frank turek has elegantly put it:"God will respect your free will, he will NOT force you into heaven against your will."

@ashleyreid1778

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, why would someone want to spend eternity with a God they hated during their lifetime.

@k.popper2620

Жыл бұрын

He is a respecter of free will that He gave to us humans.

@makisitonga2530

Жыл бұрын

@@dmythica But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Matt. 10:33

This is the dumbest possible response. Atheist: “if god is real, he is a monster” Christian: “well if he hears you say that he’ll make you burn in hell forever, checkmate atheists”

@Johnsmith-uw7uw

11 ай бұрын

No, its not. Should slaves just accept their fate and obey their cruel masters? Or should they rebel?Imagine worshipping a god who gives kids cancer and allows them to be kidnapped and raped 😮 and then you claim he "loves everyone" as if he doesn't systematically oppress those born outside the West. Why do American children get iPhones while Syrian kids get bombs and cholera? Why do British kids get a free education while Indian kids work in sweatshops? Why does God favour secular Western democracies over poor religious countries? Why would you worship a God who has created so much suffering for the innocent? If he exists, he is evil and should be condemned. He doesn't exist, though, so it's okay

@SheepofChrist818

11 ай бұрын

Then it’s a good thing he didn’t say that as a response.

@abramallen4940

11 ай бұрын

@@SheepofChrist818 out of curiosity, what was your interpretation of what he was trying to say?

@SheepofChrist818

11 ай бұрын

@@abramallen4940 He didn’t mention hell. He certainly didn’t say what you have in quotation. He said if you’re shaking your fists at perfection, you’re the one that is wrong, Not God.

@abramallen4940

11 ай бұрын

@@SheepofChrist818 or alternatively, if you are able to criticize something that’s claimed to be perfect, perhaps the thing isn’t actually perfect

If I was dating a girl and found out she had a torture chamber where she kept everyone who’s ever rejected her in unimaginable pain, I would most likely feel uncomfortable being intimate with her

@vanessamartz7596

10 ай бұрын

Not a good analogy. He doesn't put you there. He attempts to rescue you. You don't trust and refuse. He waits. At some point there is an alteration in you that solidifies the hate or distrust. You will be rescued but you will not be you, or free. In some ways it is like a woman. Suppose you find your soulmate but are too prideful or angry to accept her. Then at some point it's too late.

@farrex0

9 ай бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596 "Suppose you find your soulmate but are too prideful or angry to accept her. Then at some point it's too late." More like, suppose someone claims you are their soulmate, and you should be together for eternity. But if you say no, she will send you to a dungeon where you will suffer for eternity. No one chose to be born, and according to Christians there are only two choices, either be with god for eternity or suffer for eternity. There is no choice, the choice was made for us to exist and be put in that abhorrent dichotomy. It is exactly the same, as someone pointing you with a gun and saying "your life or your money". Most Christians are Christians due to fear, not love. Otherwise, you wouldn't use Pascal's wager. How many Christians would exist, if there was no Hell?

@vanessamartz7596

9 ай бұрын

@@farrex0 We tell our child, don't run into traffic, because we know they will be hurt. Jesus says, Don't do eternity alone because he knows you will be hurt. It really is that simple. He can't force you without turning you into a robot.

@PatrickWDunne

9 ай бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596 But the girlfriend also wants to rescue you. She doesn't want to put you in that torture chamber, but she will have to if you reject her love.

@vanessamartz7596

9 ай бұрын

@@PatrickWDunne It's that or a lobotomy.

Ironically, he did partially hit the nail on the head. It's nothing short of a miracle that any of us make it to heaven.

@paulnejtek6588

Жыл бұрын

No. He totally hit the nail on the head. The God of the bible is evil and the Bible is an evil book. Even if it's true that there's no such thing as objective reality without god ppl would be better with no morality that that morality.

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

Heaven and hell are imaginary realms designed to scare and entice morons into contributing to the criminal organizations promoting this ridiculous mythology. Thanks 😇

@jakebarnes3054

Жыл бұрын

Indeed: for a sinner to become a saint can only be done by God touching a heart in enmity and turning it to a heart in servitude. ‪Ecclesiastes 7 ‪13: Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

@Vaedyx

Жыл бұрын

Only because of what Jesus did otherwise we’d all be screwed

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

@@Vaedyx Jeebus set up this whole scenario with the imaginary torture dimension for anyone who doesn't contribute to the church. And according to your ridiculous mythology, it's Jeebus' own fault anyone gets sent to his mythological torture dimension in the first place. Your ridiculous mythology creates an imaginary problem, and then proposes a mythological solution to that imaginary problem. And it just so happens that the solution to the imaginary problem is what grants money and power to the ones promoting this ridiculous mythology. That's rather convenient.

There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." - C. S. Lewis

@davidhatcher7016

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and no being God or not has any right to impose it's will onto anyone else.

@_A.t.g

Жыл бұрын

No. Those who fear the fictional character and those who do not. 😂

@antoniotejera2303

Жыл бұрын

I was going to make a snarky remark, but you know what, if C.S. Lewis said it it has to be true. I mean it's C.S. Lewis we are talking about here

@bozomaster

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidhatcher7016God can do whatever He wants lol. He made you. Why does He have to listen to you? Doesn't the Potter have power over the clay, molding it into whatever he wants?

@strictscrutinizer

Жыл бұрын

@@bozomaster We’re not clay. We’re human beings who don’t accept the authority of your nonexistent God.

Who else is tired of being threatened by "loving "religious people and their "loving god"?

@dwizzle810

7 ай бұрын

@CarloBarcial7

7 ай бұрын

he does exist but I dont know if he's all loving and all caring

@BeeBlot

7 ай бұрын

Who's tired of people feeling threatened by people speaking words? The hyperbole is ridiculous.

@shaunjanuary9448

7 ай бұрын

Sin can not exist next to a holy God that's why you need to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus so that his blood can cover your sin,that is the reason why those who reject Jesus goes to hell because their sin hasn't been covered by his blood,you need to understand there is only two places you can go after death hell for the sinner who's sin wasn't covered and heaven and the new earth for those who's blood was covered.

@FroggyStarTime

7 ай бұрын

Me, we literally have no proof he exists except for some old white guy saying he does. He doesn’t even exist.

With a god like Yahweh, who needs a devil?

@Doctor_Fate5

Ай бұрын

Yahweh is the only God

@vanessamartz7596

Ай бұрын

Yahweh offers an eternity of joy and peace within His protected Kingdom. The devil wants just your eternity without joy or peace. You need God.

@alternatedemon6060

28 күн бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596 yahweh gives you free will, then forces you to worship him and will punish you with eternal suffering if you choose not to. That isn't free will. That is dictatorship. Why do you believe in this "just" god?

@CorbinB-Rax

28 күн бұрын

@@Doctor_Fate5 nope. He's the Satan.

@CorbinB-Rax

28 күн бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596 god FORCES life and then FORCES a dichotomy. Your brain is porridge.

It's like an ant trying to pick a fight with a human.

@LittleBranchesFarm

Жыл бұрын

This is actually a very impressive analogy

@hamster4618

Жыл бұрын

Yes, with the ant wondering if he wants to be near the human who has been know to do terrible things to his fellow ants.

@mr.equity1120

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen what happens when a human steps on an ant colony? One single ant is nothing but together ahhhh together the ants can defeat anything, haven’t you seen those nature documentary?

@velkyn1

Жыл бұрын

alas ants and humans are real. Your god? not so much.

@lupinsredjacket3191

Жыл бұрын

​@@velkyn1 Prove it. Prove that God isn't real.

The Fear of God...the Reverence, the Awe...is what is missing. We need to know who we are and who He Is.

@midlander4

Жыл бұрын

You're talking about Zeus?

@paulnejtek6588

Жыл бұрын

No. What's missing is your understanding of how evil the god of the bible is. Numbers 31. Leviticus 10

@scottyyoch3537

Жыл бұрын

​@@paulnejtek6588 Laughable Midian had just made Israel a bunch of whores, on the advice of Midian's prophet The sons of Aaron carelessly went about their duties.

@alanmuxlow7093

Жыл бұрын

@@paulnejtek6588, what objective standard to you have with which to judge God?

@gayflover3569

Жыл бұрын

@@alanmuxlow7093 don’t need one you claim to have an objective standard of morality but god doesn’t follow it. So either you don’t have objective morality or your god is evil

If everything is God's plan, then everything is his fault.

@hames7497

2 ай бұрын

The worst of all planers diety god is a scumbag

@nealm6764

2 ай бұрын

and you have no idea the scope and complexity of his plan. I would say that you are playing checkers and he is playing 1,000,000 dimensional chess, but the magnitude would be much greater than that. When it is revealed to you in Heaven you will not be angrily rebuking God, you will be on your knees weeping for forgiveness.

@vanessamartz7596

2 ай бұрын

He will explain your mistake.

@vanessamartz7596

2 ай бұрын

As an atheist, you definitely pray to and worship yourself. Even though you acknowledge your imperfection. There's an old story about an atheist who said to God "Why are you so despicable and mean?". God said, "I have to think about my answer. Here's some energy and matter. Go make a bunny rabbit and come back when you are done and we'll sit down and talk about it". The atheist went off and after 10 years brought back a mechanical bunny. God said, "No, it has to be alive, eat, reproduce, grow hair, have an immune system that heals wounds, like a real bunny.". The atheist got more matter and energy and went to work at making a bunny. Time passed, he died, but God let him continue trying. Billions of years went by and God came to check on him. The atheist said, "No bunny yet, but I'm not giving up.". God said, you've died, and I kept you alive for billions of years, and you still don't believe I exist? The atheist said, "I definitely don't believe in you.". God said, "Why?". The atheist said, " God is supposed to be all knowing, but, you don't know anything about atheists.".

@Daniel-ld3zi

2 ай бұрын

@@nealm6764 if you say it's playing 10000 dimensional chess, then there wouldn't be such a barbaric and childish system of heaven and hell. A loving and all powerful God would come up with something much more beautiful and complex than that.

All these comments of "You should be terrified" "Begging and pleading" are painting the "God is a tyrant even more than he did". Good job supporting his tyrant claim. Terrible flex though.

@JakeRuzi

11 ай бұрын

The grandeur of God should make you question your own significance. It is frightening and awe-inspiring at the same time. People use this kind of language whenever they are referring to something awesome, such as the ever expanding universe. God is even bigger than that. Being humble and self-aware enough to recognise that isn’t reinforcing tyranny.

@farrex0

9 ай бұрын

@@JakeRuzi ok, answer me this. If God is not a tyrant, why does he sends us to Gulag if we do not accept him? We have but two options, either obey and worship him.... or be sent to Hell and suffer for eternity. How is that not being a tyrant?

@sonofsalt4079

9 ай бұрын

​@@farrex0your sin condemns you to hell, accepting Jesus Christ as your savior and believing in him is the way to heaven and redemption. As an owner of a home, you have a guest over. This guest spills food on the floor, puts holes in the wall, and is a general carrier of bad vibes. God is that owner of that home, we are the terrible guest, and yet God lets us stay in that house and only at the end of our unrepentant evil lives does he turn us away at the door. You seek to call Him a tyrant, but you are the terrible guest.

@farrex0

9 ай бұрын

@@sonofsalt4079Again with the faulty analogy, I am ok if God doesn't want me in Heaven. His house he puts the rules. My problem is with Hell, not heaven. A way to fix your analogy, is like if someone had a rude guest and they decided to put him in a dungeon to be tortured for eternity. And before you say that is not hell... read the bible please. Also, the sin doesn't fit the crime, how can a finite crime warrant an infinite punishment? I am a decent person, I help others where I can, I am empathetic, I have never harmed anyone. My only sin, would be not believing in God... do you seriously believe I deserve to go to hell for that? If there was no Hell, in Christian religion, I might have no problem with the religion. It is Hell what I consider extremely immoral and makes God evil in my opinion. Thankfully, I do not think he exists, so I have nothing to worry about.

@dedbeeep

9 ай бұрын

@@JakeRuzi if i created a universe with life id never expect that from it, let alone force it to worhip me.

“The doors of hell are locked from the inside” - C.S Lewis

@joshbrigham942

Жыл бұрын

So then everyone in hell can just open the door, but they wont? Is that what this statement means?

@nexus2574

Жыл бұрын

​@@joshbrigham942 No, it means that those in hell are there largley by their own choosing. They revile God and do not wish to be with him, at least to an extent.

@StockLoser

Жыл бұрын

@@nexus2574 I'm sure if they're enduring massive torture, they'll accept this god at some point. Then they can open the door

@S.D.323

Жыл бұрын

Then hell can't be so bad then

@joshbrigham942

Жыл бұрын

@@nexus2574 Well I don't revile God, I am just petrified/stupefied/mesmerized by the awesomeness that is an infinite creator. I mean we are all born in time, humble n stuff, then told about some place that has no beginning and no end: Just great! Thanks dad!

We’re all toddlers mad at dad because we don’t understand his plan. Some chose to trust dad, and some choose to scream “I hate you I’ll never love you and I’ll never listen”

@evancoffland19

Жыл бұрын

@@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974 To that I would say, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Totally not God’s fault man chose to listen to Satan.

@thevulture5750

Жыл бұрын

@@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974 There's a way out- His name is Jesus.

@Ayverie4

Жыл бұрын

In a trillion years this will all be irrelevant. The only relevant part is where we chose to go for eternity. When my son was born he screamed BLOODY MURDER when we tried to change his diaper. It was the worst thing that's ever happened to him. I'm sure it was unpleasant. He hated it. But, we had to do it, he just didn't understand why. Now he is a toddler. He still doesn't like it, but he doesn't fight. He knows it has to happen and why. What is the point of continuing to scream at God, when He tells us His objective? We suffer from evil in this world, but He will not uproot the wheat with the tares. We must remain stuck in this pit together, until the appointed time. Because His will is that NONE should perish. So He will do whatever must be done to save every single soul that is receptive to Him.

@evancoffland19

Жыл бұрын

@@Ayverie4 Well put.

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

That makes him less of a monster how?

“For god so loved his creations, he murdered all of them in a great flood, save a handful, so they could try again through inbreeding.”

@vanessamartz7596

10 ай бұрын

God sent His Son to every one who drowned and offered salvation. If you can fix what you broke to make it even better, it's your privilege to break it.

@dusty3913

10 ай бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596 yes, I’m sure a lot of mass-murderers think that way.

@vanessamartz7596

10 ай бұрын

@@dusty3913 the greatest mass murderers in history are the atheist Communist governments.

@gamertag7676

7 ай бұрын

Yeah sounds like God so love us he killed everyone and decided incest was the way to bring humanity back, yeah no wonder I'm a atheist, this Bible is gross!

@noahcole6856

5 ай бұрын

@@dusty3913you are really taking these things wrong

Faith without reason is self delusion

@vanessamartz7596

Ай бұрын

Faith is always for a reason. Not understanding that someone can have a different reason than you is still being a child in a grown up body.

@CorbinB-Rax

Ай бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596 Imperfect reasoning isn't reasoning. If you believe in the bible, you violate every single immutable law in logic and epistemology and axiology

@sirllamaiii9708

19 күн бұрын

Faith should have reason, it says in the Bible to actually have a reason you believe and not to believe without reason. I have plenty of reasons I believe. And I don't think that you can make a logical argument against God, because logic itself is necessarily dependent on the existence of God.

@vanessamartz7596

18 күн бұрын

@@sirllamaiii9708 Faith has reason, but we are not allowed to add, rewrite, and subtract from the Gospel to make our reasoning work.

@vanessamartz7596

18 күн бұрын

@@CorbinB-Rax As a Physicist I violate no natural law in Biology, Chemistry Genetics, Engineering, or Physics by believing the Bible. However, if you believe order comes accidentally from chaos, or that inanimate matter becomes a living organism, you violate The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and the 1rst Law of living organisms.

You don’t have to enjoy heaven, but I can promise on my future, you will want heaven when you see what hell is.

@michaelmerck7576

Жыл бұрын

God would never want you have to endure His presence, that is what Hell is for. ita a place where God is not.enjoy no love no peace no joy no light,no hope

@i7Qp4rQ

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmerck7576 I'm a believer, but eternal torture for temporary rebellion seems far too tyrannical. There could b far more reasonable/loving/less hating/raging options available: like annihilation, hibernation, imprisonment, &. Why the separation has to be extreme physical t0rture at all? Maybe it could be temporary for the plenty of humans, or the worst, but eternal for even those ones seems over the top. Lucifers deeds would "reward" possibly millions of years, though...

@bryanburbank7855

Жыл бұрын

Infinite punishment for finite crimes is absurd.

@skitsschist11

Жыл бұрын

​@@bryanburbank7855 The man in this video is saying he would willingly choose to be apart from God for eternity. How is that a punishment if it's what he wants?

@piercelee9421

Жыл бұрын

​@@bryanburbank7855 so with your logic if I kill a man then I should only be in jail for the time it took him to die

At this point, there is no fear of you going to heaven. It's not going to happen miraculously or by accident. It's by choice. Your choice.

@cygnusustus

Жыл бұрын

There is no choice, child.

@milamber319

Жыл бұрын

If got is your creator and he knows all and can do all then by definition you have no free will. He made you the way you are knowing how your life would play out, knowing full well how to make you differently to stop it and with full knowledge of if you were going to heaven or not....If god exists then the idea of free will is impossible.

@depressedphilosopherbitch7581

Жыл бұрын

I choose hell, then. Hail satan! :)

@BlackEyedGhost0

Жыл бұрын

"If you keep insulting my imaginary friend, we won't let you come to his imaginary birthday party!" Same energy.

@joehoover5204

Жыл бұрын

@@js8270 Now that was funny! Happy Sunday friend

Some of us aint pussies I guess. If God's real, hell is where I go I guess. Life is hell as it is.

@iwishicouldgobacktotheseda4164

6 ай бұрын

Exactly alot of us didn’t even want to live so why does he force us

@MysteriouslyMystifying

6 ай бұрын

@@iwishicouldgobacktotheseda4164 absolutely like I tell my friends, life is what you make it. Is it perfect? Hell no. But everyday we must try for perfection in everything and anything we do. There's a beginning and an end to each of our stories. The question is what ending are we seeking?

@iwishicouldgobacktotheseda4164

6 ай бұрын

@@MysteriouslyMystifying I don’t even live life to make of it, I’m only alive for my best friends and my partner, idc about anything else. I despise my family especially.

@SpacePonder

Ай бұрын

Yes, this life is hellish, but hell is infinitely worse.

@Anabee3

16 күн бұрын

We'll see what you REALLY are the moment ur confronted by God. You're in for a big surprise. 😢

I'm disappointed with the comment section💀💀

@maksim3417

6 ай бұрын

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@RitmosMC

6 ай бұрын

Fr, too many Christians

@KatieKrew6791

6 ай бұрын

​@well this vid is about ChristansRitmosMC

@jesus.is.truth.888

6 ай бұрын

​@@RitmosMC 🤡

@Starfiiiree

5 ай бұрын

Cope 😘

You would not “end up” in Heaven if you don’t like God or don’t think you’d enjoy His company/presence. Going to Heaven isn’t an accident, it’s a deliberate choice to choose God over everything everyday.

@midlander4

Жыл бұрын

Keep up the threats 🤣

@imdajugernot

Жыл бұрын

This isn’t true. We don’t “choose God” he opens our eyes to the truth. We can’t reject him once he calls us.

@Window4503

Жыл бұрын

@@midlander4 What threats? If you don't want God, you won't get God. But that means living with the consequences of not having God. You think you can have goodness apart from him, but God IS all goodness. To reject him is to reject everything else you want; that isn't a threat any more than unplugging a lamp logically means you get only darkness.

@Window4503

Жыл бұрын

@@imdajugernot We don't choose God but we can choose to reject him. In every case of rejection, it's the person's own will, but in every case of belief, it is always God who chooses and enables that person. It's a paradox.

@muppetonmeds

Жыл бұрын

@@imdajugernot Many are called but few are chosen.

The good thing is God loved us even when we despise him. Otherwise we're really in trouble.

@TJ-kk5zf

Жыл бұрын

And he will throw little Hindu girls who die into Eternal flames and torment to prove his great love.

@chanon.arthur

Жыл бұрын

​@T J God is just. He doesn't just punish little Hindu girls. It is called judgement. Because He has and continues to express His existence in everything that exists. We just want to live sinfully and free to do evil. A fool says in his heart that there is no God. God has the final say on whether someone will make it to heaven or hell. The reality is that creation points to a creator. If you start there, then you can seek out who the creator is and you will find him or rather he will find you. It will all point to the truth of Jesus Christ who is the fulfillment of God's salvation plan for everyone who believes. There are Hindu girls and boys who came to know the truth and left their life to know the truth of God's existence and bekieve in Him because he reveals himself every day. The question is are you seeking him or ignoring him. All you have to do is reach out to God humbly and acknowledge that you are a sinner, confess and turn away from your sins and turn to Jesus and he will save you.

@gayflover3569

Жыл бұрын

@@chanon.arthur creation points to a creator is a circular argument proof that all this was created and then we can talk about a creator

@chanon.arthur

Жыл бұрын

@Gay Flover this creator is eternal which quenches that circular argument that you imply. The evidence of Jesus Christ points to this

@chara0171

Жыл бұрын

@@TJ-kk5zfno just the big ones who have hit the age of accountability, there is an age of accountability that is different for everyone.

Some would say that the difference between an atheist and a theist is courage. The courage to call out a cosmic bully that expects you to obey out of fear vs a coward that obeys because they are afraid to question.

@nathanrobbins2440

Жыл бұрын

Or it's narcissism. The atheist chooses to exalt himself as the greatest authority in their life instead of the theist who understands that man is not the center of the universe

@richard123466

Жыл бұрын

@nathanrobbins2440 1. A human being IS the greatest authority in his or her own life. The only way that they are not is if they give away their power to someone else that claims to know better and that is rarely the case, for those that can use there mind at least. 2. It's an ironic statement from a theist that believes that God made everything for him/her, that they are the center of God's universe and that God devised a 6000 year long plan resulting in the brutal human sacrifice of gods own son, just for the benefit of mankind to claim that they understand that they are not the center of the universe. A theist does not understand that, it's just the opposite.

@xXEGPXx

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanrobbins2440 You believe an all powerful being regularly takes requests from you and changes the flow of events based on your requests. Talk about narcissism

@nathanrobbins2440

Жыл бұрын

@@xXEGPXx that's a straw man. That's not what I believe at all

@scartissuefilms

10 ай бұрын

It's just Knowledge. Some people know and have met God, some others are just blind and live in ignorance.

“God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.” (James 4:6)

@Kirbyoto2098

10 ай бұрын

Deuteronomy 25:19 literally demands genocide. It's bizarre watching theists pretend that God is this benign and understanding figure.

@sparrowprince3432

10 ай бұрын

So sick and tired of this demand for humbleness. Why is god so threatened by pride? Because it’s cutting into his action, that’s why. The action of endlessly praising him and giving him figurative celestial fellatio. You have to be humble and meek to do that.

@Randomaccount9470

10 ай бұрын

My problem is I know alot of cruel, prideful self absorbed ppl leaving thier best lives while I suffer in worship No more !

@vampvam505

10 ай бұрын

@@Randomaccount9470 you miss the point.. if worship is suffering to you then you aren't worshipping.

@vampvam505

10 ай бұрын

@@sparrowprince3432 God isn't threatened by pride its just that, You can lust you can be greedy you can be a sloth you can even have wrath you can be a glutton ect.. now while all those things leads to rape mass murder and destruction pride is the only sin that causes you to look back on those horrible things and be proud. think about what it is that you hate about murders, is it only the fact that they've done a horrible fact or is it the fact that some of them will sit on a court room and smile about what they did. that's what pride will make a person do. so again you can do all of those things, rape kill steal but pride is the only sin that causes you to look back on all of that with no sorrowful heart for what you did to the victims and the victims family's and it even causes you to be proud that you did it. therefore how could you ever repent for anything how could you even make an ounce of amends. Personally, given those facts I see every sin as dangerous but pride is the only sin that just when you thought this person couldn't get worse, they smile in your face and humiliate you laughing about what they did being in no place of sorrow for you.

He has the audacity to breathe the air that God has blessed him with, to eat the food that God has blessed to come from the ground to enjoy the pleasures of life and has the nerve to act like God is so terrible… Yes, we should definitely pray for him and others that foolishly think this way

@paulnejtek6588

Жыл бұрын

You can't prove a single word of what you wrote there. And yet you probably believe it completely. So HES not the fool. Verses like Numbers 31:14-18 and Leviticus 10 depict a very ugly god. Some ppl aren't just gonna be gullible and believe any nonsense they're told.

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you should petition your imaginary friend from your ridiculous mythology with magical incantations to elicit favor on his behalf. That will certainly accomplish something here in the real world. 😆 🤣 😂 Give me one good reason you think you have for believing in the existence of your invisible wizard and validity of your ridiculous mythology, and I'll identify your cognitive and factual errors, your fallacious reasoning, and your scientific ignorance. Thanks 😇

@cshaw9683

Жыл бұрын

It would be a poor father who doesn’t provide food. Do you expect your children to praise you for having them and for providing what’s required for survival? It’s not audacity to expect air from a creator who makes a being that requires it. I swear Christians are completely daft.

@scottyyoch3537

Жыл бұрын

​@@cshaw9683 it is a rebellious child who is handed provision, and spits in the eye of the one giving it to him.

@cshaw9683

Жыл бұрын

@@scottyyoch3537 Mostly no one is spitting. They’re just not praising. There’s a distinction. Personally, I would say I am not interested in sharing a world with any deity. I would have preferred not to be created at all. Didn’t an omniscient being know that?

I pray that God changes this young man's heart ❤️

@adonaiel-rohi2460

Жыл бұрын

I pray he doesn’t. 😚

@robertsandberg2246

Жыл бұрын

I think this guy is a KZreadr called, Cosmic Skeptic."

@velkyn1

Жыл бұрын

funny how I've had dozens, if not hundreds, of christians praying for me to change my heart. This has been over the last 30+ years, and surprise, I'm still an atheist. Now,what's the problem guys? Your god promises that it will answer any prayer from its true believers, with what is asked for, no exceptions, and answer the prayer quickly. Why do you *all* fail? is it: 1. your god loves us as we are? 2. your god doesn't think you are a true believer? 3. Your god is imaginary?

@Aquascape_Dreaming

Жыл бұрын

​@@velkyn1 you still have life left inside you. As long as there's life, it doesn't matter if it takes 80 years.

@velkyn1

Жыл бұрын

@@Aquascape_Dreaming ROFL. Aka, the christian has to keep telling the same lie to excuse his god's failure. "you still have life left inside you. As long as there's life, it doesn't matter if it takes 80 years."

Many religionists (of all religions) would be surprised they are going to hell.

"Love me or else. Also, never question authority" Geeee, I have no idea why would anyone dislike such an attitude.

Before I came to Christ I was one of those people who said: If God exists, then I despise him, and desire to drag as many away from him as possible.

@Paygelove

Жыл бұрын

I’m so glad you changed and found Jesus .. I can’t wait to give you a huge hug

@skwabo

Жыл бұрын

yes that is the god of this world, Satan, at work. so glad you discovered the Truth and the Savior!

@midlander4

Жыл бұрын

No you weren't. Keep lying!

@midlander4

Жыл бұрын

​@@Paygelove 🤮

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

​@@skwabo how many gods are there in your ridiculous mythology?

“This ugly creator “?? God created us in his image. So if “This Creator “ is ugly, then that makes you ugly as well.💯🤷🏽‍♀️. I don’t think they think those things through.💯🤦🏽‍♀️

@paulnejtek6588

Жыл бұрын

He obviously doesn't believe in Christianity to start with and the God of the bible IS ugly. So are ppl, to differing degrees. You're the only one that didn't think things through

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

The Great Congested Warthog coughed up the universe, and created mankind. He is wise and benevolent. The christian god in their despicable cult of blood magic and human sacrifice is an ugly creator. Thanks 😇

@gayflover3569

Жыл бұрын

Proof that statement

@Leslie_Crich

Жыл бұрын

The “ugly creator” he refers to is a fictitious god he and many other atheists have manufactured in their own minds.

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

He obviously wasn’t referring to appearance Hun

God destroyed all my Life with Great Diseases and destroyed my Bussiness, my Relationships.

@vanessamartz7596

2 ай бұрын

Quit complaining. He sent His own Son to be killed. There's an old story about an atheist who said to God "Why are you so despicable and mean?". God said, "I have to think about my answer. Here's some energy and matter. Go make a bunny rabbit and come back when you are done and we'll sit down and talk about it". The atheist went off and after 10 years brought back a mechanical bunny. God said, "No, it has to be alive, eat, reproduce, grow hair, have an immune system that heals wounds, like a real bunny.". The atheist got more matter and energy and went to work at making a bunny. Time passed, he died, but God let him continue trying. Billions of years went by and God came to check on him. The atheist said, "No bunny yet, but I'm not giving up.". God said, "You've died, and I kept you alive for billions of years, and you still don't believe I exist?". The atheist said, "I definitely don't believe in you.". God said, "Why?". The atheist said, " God is supposed to be all knowing, but, you don't know anything about atheists.".

@admdagarrafinha6429

Ай бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596 lmao atheist dont believe because there is no evidence

@vanessamartz7596

Ай бұрын

@@admdagarrafinha6429 There is higher probability of a Creator and more observable events of intelligent design. There are no events observed or demonstrable of the kind of probability it would take to create circular homeostatic mechanisms. The probability of one such event is 1 billion times the current accepted lifespan.of our universe. Your position is mythical.

@Theonewhocansee

Ай бұрын

​@@vanessamartz7596So because he sent his son down to be killed for a weekend that justifies God sadistically ruining our lives? Basically your God, who claims to be the truth and the 'life' suffers a horrible death and says stop your whining to mankind because look at what happened to me. So the crucifixion wasn't about paying people's price, setting them free, and showing them life, but was God saying stop your whining about all the suffering. He sounds like this was all set up for him, like a world filled with suffering all to see if creatures follow him in pain. Collecting our tears to appease his unsatiable thirst for glory. Very sick deity this God of yours is, and I really hope he doesn't exist because he is outright ugly. Why couldn't God be a hero? Actually rescue us from this world and the things in it instead of doing half a job. Would be really nice if he was like a doctor, you go and he helps, but he is more like a dead beat abusive father. Horrific.

@vanessamartz7596

Ай бұрын

Then you didn't need those. God didn't destroy your spirit. Only you can do that. Now, you are alive, with access to the internet, and energy to type. You aren't destroyed unless you want to be. You just think you are owed what you are not. This is boot camp.

I don't think you understand just how vile yahweh is. Hes an immoral monster. He is the most evil character ever. Hes so evil that he made a place of eternal tourment that he sends people for not worshipling him and other finite percieved slights. Your argument is going to be "hes god, who are you to judge him?!" A person infinitely more moral than your god.

@Brams_Bee

3 ай бұрын

And they say ‘you’ll burn in hell’ wow what a threat when I don’t believe in hell

@Yummyfood-bz6xf

2 ай бұрын

Hell is a place of eternal separation between him and those who not wish to be with him, a place for those who bare sin, for the price of sin is death and anyone that does not have their sins paid for would have to pay it themselves, through their own lives, lest Jesus pays for them He has given you a choice, what is so hard to grasp?

@Brams_Bee

2 ай бұрын

@@Yummyfood-bz6xf Sure thing buddy, I guess we all need a few delusions to get by

@Yummyfood-bz6xf

2 ай бұрын

@@Brams_Bee suppose you believing you grandfather was bacteria is not a delusion, and that you came from a rock from outer space and that bacteria one day decided to grew legs, arms and a brain and you, the perfectly rational atheist which I totally agree that you are 💯,sleep with this delusion with yours and never question it? Atleast I believe in a creator, a supreme mastermind that created the world and brought forth everything and anything you see, from the very concepts to the earth you walk on to the very stars and to the very life your creator has given you and the privileges came along with it, because your creator loves you, for you are made of love, yet you reject this idea and blindly follow an idea built on sand as you see yourself as intellectually superior than those who believe in God, so by excercising your superior intellect you make fun of anyone that has a different belief than yours as well as completely closing your mind of to any scrutiny and simply pass the scrutiners off as idiots because they don’t belive in the same intellectually superior belief you have, that your grandfather was bacteria that one day, decided to grow legs and become hairless and have a brain, which you under utilise, as if you truly utilise your brain you would of known your idea is absolutely absurd, like come man, use your “atheistic” intellect to discern that coming from bacteria is absolutely madness and even then, you genuinely think that the “big bang” just happened out of nowhere, as let me tell you this, something cannot appear out of nowhere, as the “big bang” cannot simply exist out of nowhere as before that, where was the Big Bang or where did the Big Bang come from? Bactiera?

@Brams_Bee

2 ай бұрын

@@Yummyfood-bz6xf I ain’t reading all that. So you’re saying a being just exists and created everything for giggles and that makes more sense than atoms and molecules. Good for you. I ain’t reading all that

"Every knee will bow"

@velkyn1

Жыл бұрын

Alas, nope. Your sadistic little fantasies will never come true.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

Unlikely

@opticalraven1935

Жыл бұрын

​@@jasonnoble7302You will. All authority belongs to God.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@opticalraven1935 Which God and how do you know ?

@wellnessworldshop

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 do you need to be spoon fed? You have a super computer at your fingertips. Try using it. There is mountains of scientific evidence proving not only Jesus, but every story in the Holy Bible.

My heart breaks for this young man.

@joyceelmer131

Жыл бұрын

Prayers for this young ma🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼✝️

@rawdayoussef4223

Жыл бұрын

Yes because Satan has blinded him to the horror of the destiny he is choosing so easily. Satan knows what awaits him at the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ but this poor kid and all the millions like him are like the mice in the old fable following the magical music of the boy playing the flute not knowing the eternal doom they are blissfully drawn to.

@odinson6348

Жыл бұрын

He's just too smart for you, and your God.

@TheQueensAce719

Жыл бұрын

​@@odinson6348Rejecting the main reason you exist and continue to, as well as your only escape from eternal suffering and damnation is not smart at all, friend. Please, do your soul a favor and at least read the Bible before you dismiss it as nothing. Don't ignore the signs that God is giving you. Hell is a horrible place, and you will spend every waking moment wishing you had listened.

@JosephCapelli

Жыл бұрын

​@Odinson Nope he's just another young Dunning-Kruger who thinks he's got everything figured out despite being alive for barely 20 years. Almost as if the world is far more complex than we realise. CosmicSkeptic is a prime example of "intelligence untempered by wisdom." I say this as a former militant atheist who used to be a huge Richard Dawkins fan boy, who is now of the faith. Edit from future Joseph: I retract this comment because I realised on second thought that it was a knee-jerk reaction rather than a well-considered point.

So how is it that i prayed and tried hard to be good to just get treated like dirt. Why would i want to pray to a god that doesn't care what I go through or doesn't help me out from time to time. All ive done is suffer for what? God?

@Johnathan1800

Ай бұрын

Same if this god exist I’m going to be pissed off when I die:

@vanessamartz7596

Ай бұрын

I did, too. Then I realized that I let myself be treated like dirt and I am the daughter of a King. You are the Son of a King. Embrace that.

@TotalAnalyst2

Ай бұрын

​@@vanessamartz7596no we are dirt and so is your king he just has a book that claims he is something else like all the others it's obvious he isn't true but you still feel attached to him for some reason

@TD-fp9ed

23 күн бұрын

You suffer because you are gods chosen one. Look at it like this the devil attacks gods chosen ones because of their light and good things that you do for god. The devil doesn't like that and wants to tempt you into sin. If you are always being attacked it's because you are a good person. 😊

So your response is the empty threat of hell?

@jonah_hosea

18 күн бұрын

Hell is a place where the fire never ceases and thirst is quenched. Torment and anguish forever. The biggest anguish is being apart from God. Since God is love, kindness, goodness, gentleness. Choosing to be away from him is a sad eternal existence. God is good.

Plot twist: you won't enter Heaven with that mentality. God won't force you to be with him unwillingly.

@konyvnyelv.

Жыл бұрын

Yes thanks. I prefer hell where there are people who don't wish others to be tortured forever

@richardcaraballo1185

Жыл бұрын

@@konyvnyelv. well,I mean, I'm 99% sure that Hitler and others like him are in Hell, he seemed to want the Jews tortured for all eternity, but I digress. In all seriousness, there's no Christian alive or dead who's desire it is that those unsaved be tortured for eternity. That's nonsense. We wouldn't risk our lives to tell people about Jesus if that was our desire. And if you're saying that is God's desire, you are very mistaken. If God desired that, then he wouldn't have sent Jesus, and nobody would be saved. But God did send Jesus, and he did live the life we couldn't live, paid the sacrifice we couldn't pay, and offers us up his righteousness, all we must do is accept.

@TheSpacePlaceYT

Жыл бұрын

@@konyvnyelv. Hell is mental anguish, not physical. Also, in Heaven, you will realize the nature of sin is awful, and you will know it to be evil, and thus, no one will wish others in Hell.

@mouthpiece200

Жыл бұрын

A parent who won't force their kid off playing in the highway is a child abuser. You cannot say you love your kid if you will not override his free will when needed.

@willjackson5885

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSpacePlaceYT Why would you feel mental anguish for losing a game of rock, paper, scissors? If God exists, he made the true religion indistinguishable from the other fictional religions, so it’s just a guessing game which religion (if any) is the true one.

What’re you guys gonna do when you get to the River Styx and Hades goes “WTF, guys? Why didn’t you believe in us?”

@fabi3790

Жыл бұрын

That got me thinking When and why did it change from many goods to 1

@spacebook8923

Жыл бұрын

They never seem to think about the other torturous realms that exist in other religions

@glitchy000

17 күн бұрын

I would be massively confused and ask what happened to the Judeo-Christian god who must still exist for the evidence of his existence still exists. The Greek pantheon isn’t internally consistent and has shown very little evidence of its claims just as most other religions. Buddhism has some physiological effects on people which is evidence, but Judaism and Christianity corroborate historical events that we continually affirm with archeological and historical discoveries. That’s one of the biggest reasons that sets Christianity apart and why it’s so popular. It can be backed up.

If you need an all powerful being who gives you two choices Worship me and I won’t hurt you Or Don’t worship me and I will make you suffer Genuinely who is in the right

"If there is no master, whose slave shall I be?" That's what theists sound like to the rest of us.

@nono7105

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you'll be laughing your head off when you're all dead and the rest of us are living eternal perfect lives exploring the wonders of the universe. 🙄

@Johnsmith-uw7uw

11 ай бұрын

​@@nono7105 dont you realise that believing such ridiculous nonsense makes you a very stupid person? If i said "I am God" you would have absolutely no way to prove that I'm not. You would think I'm stupid and perhaps mentally unwell. This is what is rational people think about you sheeps. Prove that I'm not God. Imagine worshipping a god who gives kids cancer and allows them to be kidnapped and raped 😮 and then you claim he "loves everyone" as if he doesn't systematically oppress those born outside the West. Why do American children get iPhones while Syrian kids get bombs and cholera? Why do British kids get a free education while Indian kids work in sweatshops? Why does God favour secular Western democracies over poor religious countries? Why would you worship a God who has created so much suffering for the innocent? If he exists, he is evil and should be condemned. He doesn't exist, though, so it's okay

@bikesrcool_1958

11 ай бұрын

Someone doesn’t seem to like that they will have to answer before a being far better then them in every way.

@Brityf

11 ай бұрын

Don't worry, an atheist looks just as foolish to a theist. Being wise in your own eyes is very blinding. Perspective is very important to true wisdom. I used tothink Christians were idiots until I was proven wrong. The same way that any scientist uses scientific theory to test whether or not something is a law or truth.

@Demos_Jeff

11 ай бұрын

@@nono7105if the after life is being around smug people like you…idk if that counts as a “perfect life”

"The greatest miracle that God can do today is to take an unholy man out of an unholy world, and make that man holy and put him back into that unholy world and keep him holy in it." ~ Leonard Ravenhill

@lazyeye5269

Жыл бұрын

Christ

@Autobotmatt428

Жыл бұрын

Well said

"Ugly Creator"?? It hurts my heart to the core to hear him call Someone I love so much ugly. God is the very essence and source of all beauty. I would say if there is anything truly ugly, it is the evil that has taken up residence inside of him. It breaks the heart. God have mercy on him!

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

Than maybe you should worship a god who isn’t an evil pos

@brandonheath6713

Жыл бұрын

Technically speaking God is the self proclaimed "source" of all ugliness as well. God is the creator of evil, pestilence, sin... That's the thing about claiming responsibility for all of existence... Not all of existence is beautiful.

@bethburkett752

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonheath6713 God did not create evil the way He created flowers or animals or humans or galaxies. Evil is the absence of goodness, or the absence of God. Evil originated in the hearts of all beings, angelic and human, who rejected God. God is light; in Him there is NO darkness at all.

@brandonheath6713

Жыл бұрын

@@bethburkett752 did you even think about what you just said. Dark is the absence of Light. Dark can't happen to things. Dark isn't a quantifiable quality it is simply a referential description of something else. Dark has no properties and no influence. That's what you're claiming evil is. That's the analogy you're proposing. How can you not see the flaw in that "reasoning". Evil is an act one person perpetrates on another. Evil is quantifiable as behavior, actions, and states. Evil is an attribute of an entity. Evil, by the Christian definition, is a real genuine influential force in our reality. It takes form and action. It coerces others to do the same. Evil and Dark could not be more diametrically opposed. They are literally exactly direct opposites of one another. I swear y'all need to read your damn book more thoroughly. Evil is not described as a "lack of good" or "lack of God" in the bible. To be clear, at no point does any passage in the bible explicitly state in any way that evil is "the lack of good" or "the lack of the presence of God". That is a belief you've manifested out of nothing with no base foundation. It is an invention of your mind and I'd argue a misinterpretation of what are very clear definitions of what evil is. That's on you. You've convinced your self of this falsehood. Exodus 20:1-17 clearly states evil is an action of violating the ten commandments (which were not ever referred to as commandments until the king James version of the bible BTW) Matthew 5-7 says explicitly that evil is the act of being angry. Jesus equates it to the act of murder. Proverbs 6:16-19 even creates an actual list of all the actual things God considers evil and no where in it is "the lack of good" or "the lack of God". The entirety of Genesis 3 depicts evil as a tangible creature directly influencing real human beings. In Galatians 5:19-21 Paul creates a list of many specific actions that are evil (sins of the flesh In this case)

@bethburkett752

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonheath6713 My use of the word "darkness" was a reference to 1John 1:5, where the word is used to mean anything bad or evil. It just does not exist within God, and He did not create evil. What I said here about the nature of evil is not anywhere close to the totality of what I know and understand about it; I just didn't feel like writing a dissertation. Since you seem to know the Bible so well, you must surely know all of the verses regarding salvation. Quoting Bible verses will not keep you out of hell; putting your faith in Jesus Christ is the only thing that will. Anybody can quote scripture (even Satan). Call on Jesus with a humble heart, repent and ask Him to save you.

It gets me so annoyed how these theists speak We’re supposed to believe in god and love him and worship him?? First of all there’s no proof he’s actually real.. it’s it’s kinda hard for me to believe in him Second of all the world is so F-ed (with natural disasters and disease and the fact that where all extremely weak and can easily be hurt by many different things)… that idk if I can ever love a man who intentionally made it this way And third of all worshiping him is pointless since he can read my mind and knows I don’t approve of him…. The only way my mind can be changed about god (the Christian god and some other religions) is if he magically changes my mind for me 🤷🏻‍♂️ ….There’s just so many flaws with this Christian mythology

@deanpost152

Ай бұрын

The world is so bad because we sinned, and we chose to sin. And if you don't want to love Him, He'll send you to hell, He won't force you to be with Him.

@mitslev4043

Ай бұрын

First there is not proof for much of anything. Logically we can't prove the world outside our own minds exists. We would never be able to tell a real world from a simulation or a fream or some other thing. The idea the universe is real is a unprovable unfalsifiable theory. There is gery little we xan prove outside of logical concepts and maths. Second the world with so much pain is a result of separation from god. God did not intend this and from the Bibles perspective intends to fix it. Third. Its not pointless. It is a relationship. You know your family ( wife brother sister husband father mother etc.) loves you. But that doesn't mean it is pointless gor them to say it. God knows all things but to express yourself is an act of love. And you should not be so hardened that only a forceful act of god can change your mind. Be open to logic and reason. Be open to love and to see from a new perspective. There is nothing wrong with changing your mind. I never heard a flaw that held up to reason.

@2l84me8

Ай бұрын

⁠@@deanpost152The world is bad because there is no god and we’re all alone in a cold universe. Don’t blame innocent people for the actions of some from a fairytale. Your god won’t force us into heaven but he’ll gladly force us into hell against our will? Not being convinced of your fairytale is not a request to be burned for all eternity.

@KMABTCH

Ай бұрын

@@deanpost152God has the power to rid the world of sin yet chooses not too. Why would god try to save us from something he created? If god is perfect and love and we are made in his image then why do bad people exist? Don’t even say that there needs to be evil to be good because if god can do anything then surely he can make a pure world.

@Theonewhocansee

Ай бұрын

@@deanpost152 The world is bad because he created a ignorant and niave humankind in the garden of Eden, then sent down a evil and wise Angel that he allowed into the garden of Eden to temptations eve. He threw down Lucifer to earth with his children he supposedly loved so much. Note how he let the devil in the garden of Eden even though he had sinned, but as soon as mankind sinned he kicked them out to die. Note how he says let us not let them take from the tree of life so that they may live forever. Because, the devil told the truth that our eyes would be open and that is exactly what happened and we didn't die. We died when he kicked us out from garden of Eden. On top of this he cursed the earth even though he had the power to fix it there and then or prevent it entirely. Note how our very biological instincts which we have no choice over, yet he sets the rules in opposition to that biological nature. You say choice but even of you repent and try to pursue a relationship with him, he is still sends the devil after you to open up a can of whoopass on you in the form of diseases, cancers, tragedies and the list go on. But, even our very neurological makeup was designed by him in the womb, and our birth place and our social upbringing. Our genes make us predisposed to certain illness. The whole thing has been set up. If he is real, there is no doubt that suffering was not the result of sin but in fact sin was opened up so he could act out his sadistic fantasies of torturing weak, fallible, vulnerable creatures with a inbuilt fear of death. No doubt this is to appease his ego and for the few to see him as a hero. Offers no solutions to human suffering, take a walk in the children's wards in your local hospital, go tell them that it was their choice that did that to them. Your God is obviously despicable and even if it is a good old fist shaking which doesn't solve anything at least we can express our views on such a sadistic character.

Everything I've experienced and been told about god the creator, jesus and satan, has felt like being the unfortunate child stuck piggy in the middle between two very narcissistic divorced parents, where I'm scapegoated for them wanting all the glory and worship of those 'below them'. I have ended up losing my love for nature and despising this world altogether.

@vanessamartz7596

24 күн бұрын

@@Earthismadeoflayers OK, one is evil the other loves you. You can reject choosing, but that is also a choice.

@glitchy000

17 күн бұрын

Why do you feel like both are evil?

@vanessamartz7596

17 күн бұрын

@@Earthismadeoflayers Seriously, parents are so unnecessary. Kids do just fine with no guidance or discipline.

@indiangamerbg8346

16 күн бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596 one is evil for disobeying the other yess

God is very much real he lives in you. And believe me as a former atheist I now understand who God is. Much love to all.

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

What convinced you of the existence of your god and the validity of your mythology?

@jaycole2109

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronmatzkin7966 It’s different for each one. I was an agnostic, & He showed me He is real when my life shattered & He made the worst year of my life simultaneously into the best year of my life (by showing me it’s all true and He is real). My friend was an atheist who would curse and spit near believers if they mentioned Him or praying for her. Someone told her to just ask Him to show her He’s real. She challenged that she would NEVER come to belief by turning to Him when her life got bad. Off & on for 7 yrs she asked God if He’s real & she said to Him she won’t believe bc her life gets bad. Finally one night God wrote something in her book. She closed it, opened it up, & it appeared again. Our new pastor was a Muslim in Iran, & Jesus appeared to Him in a dream.

@jaycole2109

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronmatzkin7966 One for Israel has cool videos about how Jews began to believe.

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

@@jaycole2109 false attribution and personal anecdotes are not good reasons to accept your god and mythology. All other believers of every other god from every other mythology will also falsely attribute any positive change in their lives to their chosen deities, and use that change to incorrectly justify that belief. Do you also accept the existence of all other gods and mythologies, because that is the position you are fallaciously arguing for. Do you have any good reason to believe?

@jaycole2109

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronmatzkin7966 I used to believe that everyone worshiped the same god in different ways. I wanted a coexist bumper sticker. Seeing miracles does it for me, so nobody can tell me it isn’t real. He has changed me and keeps changing me, because there’s plenty needing change! The whole Bible is prophetic with telescopic prophecies. And who would make up such stories for a fake god? Women are strong in the Bible…they weren’t in that society. Jesus had a prostitute in His bloodline, He was thought of as illegitimate, He was raised poor with a hick accent. Everyone in the Bible has flaws and problems, because they were real people. A Case for Christ, written by a Chicago Tribune atheist (at the time) goes into all the proof it you want historical proof. But I respect your opinion and choice not to believe. As far as other gods, I only believe Jesus, who said, “I’m the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to The Father except through me”.

Pray for this man. He needs it bad. Sometimes I get selfish questioning thoughts but that is the sin nature. Better to change for our perfect God than to ask a perfect God to change for us sinners.

@ellamay9771

Жыл бұрын

Kindred spirits, you and I. Thanks for sharing. 👍🏾

@That.little.dinosaur

Жыл бұрын

So true. Praying for you! ❤

@hamster4618

Жыл бұрын

But by what standard is your “God” perfect?

@connordorman117

Жыл бұрын

@@hamster4618 by the only true standard. He is the perfect standard all is judged against. A perfect flawless being is righteous and just so he punishes unrighteousness and injustice. But at the same time he's merciful in spite of our failings knowing we can't live up to his perfection. So he takes a piece of himself in sinners flesh as his son and leads him to save the world, knowing what's to come to teach us, to live the blameless life we never could tempted but never once sinning then pours out his wrath upon himself to save us while we were still sinners. Some actively persecuting him! He broke the curse of sin and the grave. So using your imperfect mortal standard seeing a fraction of the world in sinners flesh where do you rank him on the perfect scale? But think about this. Sometimes we shake our fists at God, I've had bad thoughts in the past I confess it. But think on who you are, what you've done, think of who God is, what he's done, do you think its your place to judge God? Do you think you even can? God sees all. Your greatest shames, secrets and mistakes. Offers to forgive them all and all you have to do is repent and believe because he served your sentence. That is a perfect God.

@velkyn1

Жыл бұрын

so, Connor, when your prayers fail, what next? I've had literally dozens of christians like you praying for me to agree with them, and that's been over the last 30+ years. Why have you all failed miserably when your god promises that he will answer any prayer from a true believer, with what is prayed for and answer it quickly? is it: 1. your god loves me as I am? 2. your god doesn't think you are a christian? 3. your god is imaginary?

I was a blasphemer, I was cursing with God, I was making fun of Him and I was struggling in my life in the midst of all this. But God didnt give up on me and led me to Him. “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7

@DigitalSteel

10 ай бұрын

My life is pretty good, always has been. I think the concept of believing in god is akin to a mental illness. Nothing has changed for me because of this belief. The only thing correlated with belief in god is the level of lead exposure a person has had in their life.

@alphaalvey5029

10 ай бұрын

What did he do to lead you to him?

@DigitalSteel

10 ай бұрын

@@alphaalvey5029 Well, the bible says stoning your wife if she is out of line is morally just. It also says you should be able to rape and pillage in his name and keep anyone you find attractive as a slave. So hopefully it was not those things.

@alphaalvey5029

10 ай бұрын

@@DigitalSteel I agree

@Csorbanorbertjanos

10 ай бұрын

He first hacked my youtube algorythm, then my spotify, and when I got enough evidence of the existing of evil, I turned to Him, because I thought only He can help@@alphaalvey5029

I think this may be what C. S. Lewis is getting at in Til We Have Faces. The main character has a complaint at the Gods, but after getting her say, They then get Their chance to judge her. Ultimately her complaints are trivial, but the judgement of the Gods are not. Beautiful story.

No, because why would a complete being need to create inferior beings to sing praises to it and say how great it is for eternity? That is what the angles were created for and after a very long time Lucifer got fed up with it and revolted, the result he was sent to a place created when heaven was created which seems strange, why create place of eternal torment before anything was going to go there?

@lilithdabria7962

2 ай бұрын

Fr, this is also my response for being an atheist... Like why did he even create us in the first place? Give all the people all these miseries and then tell them that the only option to get out of the misery is to follow me... Saying he loves everyone he made but then makes hell for them to suffer in it eternally.... And tbh I believe if god is real and he made us, isn't he the sole reason why some of us are evil and bad, but still he will punish your soul for something HE created. Then why even create it that way? If you're going to burn your painting after creating it because you decided that you'll make it bad, then why did you even make the painting in the first place? And after all of it if you don't believe in him blindly and question him, these religious people say that you're narcissistic, too prideful, or are going to suffer

@55Quirll

2 ай бұрын

@@lilithdabria7962 Excellent point and good analogy with the painting 👍

I remember being like this. Drunk on Hitchens and Dawkins.

@lionzion1879

Жыл бұрын

Well there's a lot of "if" God is real. God is not much more real than Santa in the north Pole

@fuju7871

Жыл бұрын

@@lionzion1879 interestingly enough God is as real as it gets

@lionzion1879

Жыл бұрын

@@fuju7871 interesting. Define what is "real" and how God is real?

@theepicenter4106

Жыл бұрын

​@@lionzion1879 atheist?

@Thecontentmustflow

Жыл бұрын

@jakebarnes what changed? If you don't mind me asking.

I'm really encouraged by the rebuttals I see in the comment section to this toxic preacher. Blessings, yall.

You just proved his point with your response. If God is good why would he punish someone who genuinely tried to find the meaning of life and didn’t feel or see any sign from God to guide him to Christianity? If God is good and his judgment is just then it would be evil for him to send an atheist to hell when that atheist had no sign that God was real. Would God not understand the atheist? Or is he just another judgemental human who judges people at face value and doesn’t seek to understand them?

If my disbelief hurts his feelings so bad that it puts me in “grave danger” then something is indeed “missing here”

@nono7105

Жыл бұрын

You have it backwards my friend. You are in grave danger now. Belief in Him can save you from that danger.

@daniellewandowski2659

Жыл бұрын

@@nono7105 Why? What kind of danger?

@nono7105

Жыл бұрын

@@daniellewandowski2659 Death.

@utes5532

Жыл бұрын

​@@daniellewandowski2659the danger of what god will do to you if you don't let him save you of course 😉

@TheTrueCampor

Жыл бұрын

​@@nono7105Isn't it interesting that you believe your god is loving and kind, yet is willing to torment countless souls for eternity for the crime of not worshipping him as servants? Sounds like a classic Pharoah to me.

It's okay Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Praise God 🙏

@rogerandjoan4329

Жыл бұрын

Merely a claim.

@TITTYtoucher2000

Жыл бұрын

Ah... conjectured bs. Gotta love it

@garethwest9069

Жыл бұрын

@@rogerandjoan4329 Science involves evaluating claims. Failure to evaluate biblical claims in light of history, fulfilled prophecy and science is decidedly unscientific. You have a world of information at your fingertips; don't let fear stop you ...

@rogerandjoan4329

Жыл бұрын

@@garethwest9069 There’s little to no evidence. How exactly would you like me to evaluate your religious claims? So much of the Bible has been shown to be nonsense. Where would you like to start? Make a specific claim and I’ll tell you why either it is not true or unverifiable.

@aidanepply-schmidt1647

Жыл бұрын

Do knees bow?

You will never understand this mindset until you have hell in your life. And that hell in your life is never changing, never-ending, constantly having to endure it on a daily basis without ceasing. Imagine for a moment what it's like for a child in human trafficking. How could this child not be mad at God? Instead of experiencing a normal childhood with loving parents, They Experience rape, torture and humiliation as their toys, as their cartoons and as their schooling. As they become older they not only carry that trauma but it spills into every relationship in their life. Children raised like this are more likely to choose people that are going to abuse them further. How can you expect every single person on this planet to love God when you haven't spent a single day in their shoes? This is obviously an extreme example. Most people on this Earth have lived very cushy Comfort filled lives. Most people complain about things that don't even matter. Like small lines at the supermarket, the cashier not being fast enough, or a product being too expensive. But the people that have experienced hell on Earth, it is a bloody miracle if they still believe in God.

So it's wrong to question a narcissistic authoritarian who commits genocide and condemns people to external torture, however powerful God may be, there will always be those who boldly call out his actions.

@glitchy000

17 күн бұрын

Is it narcissistic to be a parent and expect authority over your children who don’t yet know better? Is it evil to stop evil (it wasn’t a literal genocide; hyperbolic language + the Canaanites are still alive later)? The “eternal torture” is voluntary separation from God (not the cartoon depictions like on Supernatural and Evangelical billboards) which he allows you to do without breaking your free will. What’s your real objection?

Jesus is heaven. Imagine living with a person who literally died for you when you are not worthy of it. .

@gayflover3569

Жыл бұрын

I mean sounds like an awesome guy if it wasn’t also the guy who put me in a situation where he had to die for me in the first place. It’s kinda like saying "imagine meeting the person that killed hitler"

@michaelh404

Жыл бұрын

And then demanding that you blindly devote your life to him, otherwise having him torture you for eternity, all because he decided that what you’re doing is wrong and the only way to make up for it is by worshipping him. Love that guy.

@anabaird3835

Жыл бұрын

I cant. I mean, i believe it..only bc its fact. But I cant wrap my head around it emotionally/mentally. Its like "REALLY? And he knows my every word, action & thought? MEEEE?" SMH.

@lionzion1879

Жыл бұрын

​@@anabaird3835what fact are you referring. That Jesus died or that he rose from the dead. ?

@Eben_Haezer

Жыл бұрын

@@anabaird3835 That actually should make us humble. He knows the real me. Yet, he still loves. 1 Corinthians 13 defines how looks like. It's his nature to love. God is Love.

If you don’t want him in this life, then you won’t want him in the next.

If god is real why doesn't he destroy Satan right now , the free will bs schtick isn't gonna cut it I need a real logically sound answer

@gamertag7676

7 ай бұрын

Sorry to say but your talking to a brick wall no christians are going to give you a verified answer

@iwishicouldgobacktotheseda4164

6 ай бұрын

Not only that why did he even make us if he’s gonna punish us. Even Jimmy Savile and Adolf Hitler despise the wrongs they did but even they don’t even deserve that punishment because god made them and yet he let them hurt people ans ruin their lives.

@Yummyfood-bz6xf

2 ай бұрын

Satan is the temper, for law and order to exist their must be chaos or per se, disorder which is through satan, think of it this way, for a law to exist their must also come lawlessness with it if the law is broken which is evident through satan God created commandments and law and lucifer, didn’t like the laws and wanted the throne for himself so he rebelled against God and was a taught a lesson he will never forget and was casted away from heaven. Now for your answer, God will destroy Satan but not now, as it is not his time yet for god to destroy him as now, as Satan serves as the temper of man, the enemy of mankind whose sole goal is to destroy you and lead you away from God, as he is the one that will afflict you and torment you and do anything he can to see if you are worthy enough for heaven, like a filter to sift out the chaft and the wheat.

Bro how am I gonna explain my search history on Judgment day. That's what I'm worried about.

@billietaylor9647

Жыл бұрын

Christ forgives. He dined with sinners. Just go and sin no more.

@gamertag7676

7 ай бұрын

Just smash your phone

I pray God softens this kid and he has enough time left. God's wants none to perish He loves the kid.

@vittoriacolona

Жыл бұрын

The Cosmic Skeptic is so arrogant & full of himself that he makes Pharaoh in the Bible look kind hearted. People like him will never change. He's made himself his own god.

@grapenut6094

Жыл бұрын

@@vittoriacolona Sounds like youre projecting your deepest insecurities onto him. It reeks of some sort of manipulation tactic but I doubt youre even aware youre doing it.

@jonathonfaulkner

Жыл бұрын

Tell that to the babies that are raped to death by "good fearing men"

@Theguineachannel

Жыл бұрын

​@@jonathonfaulkner a wolf in sheeps clothing does not make all sheep wolfs

@transporterjp1406

Жыл бұрын

@@vittoriacolona the same Pharoh that maybe would be willing to let the Israelites leave Egypt without harm but unfortunately had his mind controlled by Yahweh on purpose just so that the latter could show how powerful he was? (Exodus 4:21) "And the LORD said to Moses, 'When you go back to Egypt, see that you do before Pharaoh all the miracles that I have put in your power. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.'"

His mom just called to tell him his wand and cape arrived in the mail today.

@DanielF892

Жыл бұрын

@@StockLoser how does he believe in magic? God is not magic. Repent and believe my friend. 🙏

@DanielF892

Жыл бұрын

@@StockLoser you do not know truth my friend. The truth shall set you free. May you come to the lord. 🙏

@rusokana3642

Жыл бұрын

​@@DanielF892 is that why you are denying evolution?😂

@DanielF892

Жыл бұрын

@@rusokana3642 when did I deny evolution. Depends what kind of evolution you mean. It can co-exist with God.

@pikadragon2783

Жыл бұрын

@@DanielF892 Dude, he just enrolled. Maybe wait till he was sorted into Slytherin before converting him to the a follower of the dark lord?

As a jew. He promised us that he will at least keep us save, after the holocaust i don't see any reason to believe he exists But even if he dose - To hell with him.

@CarloBarcial7

7 ай бұрын

nice

@crossedout9461

7 ай бұрын

I remember the story of the moishe the Beadle who decided after weeks of being in the camps that god abandoned them.

@PrometheanRising

7 ай бұрын

So this might be a weird question, but now that you figured it out, does the 2000+ years of silence bother you too?

@jabiezook

3 ай бұрын

Hitler was obviously taking, notes, and likely trying to be like God.

@kylacook7449

2 ай бұрын

if god real why bad thing. pathetic, childish worldview. grow up

It’s weird as hell that if god exists (Christian god) we’re not allowed to judge him or have any opinions on him that he doesn’t like…. It’s sus the fact that god has to obliterate his critics is very suspicious.. makes it look like he’s a dictator (an evil/cruel ruler) Is this is the case then idk how I can go on for all eternity worshiping a man whom deep down ik is evil... idk how I could handle that And there would be no way out.. death wouldn’t exist :(

@vanessamartz7596

Ай бұрын

You are allowed to judge Him and have opinions about Him. That's free will. When you reject Him it isn't because you don't know He exists. It's because you think you wouldn't do what He does. That's like a three year old kicking Daddy because he didn't get a lolly or had to have a shot. The separation is granted if you want it. You then are totally free but unprotected from evil. You get to be your own God. You get to go on hating God and fighting on your own. But the Truth you denied ( that He loves you and His plan is far superior) leads to eternal anguish. An anguish only extinguishable by the God you made up your mind was evil.

@mangplamatadavonyiurs7678

Ай бұрын

@@vanessamartz7596when are you gonna realize it’s evil to punish someone for not liking you I don’t care how powerful you are, it’s messed up to do that It’s sad that you theists don’t understand this :(

@vanessamartz7596

24 күн бұрын

@@mangplamatadavonyiurs7678 When are you going to realize God is a parent to all humanity and can only parent you if you obey. God cannot allow evil to hurt the others. Disobedience will hurt the others. You are left to go your own way. It's not a punishment for not liking God. It's a self inflicted necessity that protects those who understand that their peace and joy are in being with God. Freedom has consequences.

"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire

@AtamMardes

Жыл бұрын

@@trevrockrock16 Unfortunately you're not saying anything intelligent. You're only parroting what you've been indoctrinated with - obviously without the benefit of your intellect.

@AtamMardes

Жыл бұрын

@@trevrockrock16 The real fool is the one who believes the content of a book just because the book claims itself to be the holy truth.

@AtamMardes

Жыл бұрын

@@trevrockrock16 The sin-sacrifice-resurrection story implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice. Obviously the superstitious early folks, who valued blood sacrifice, created the God of the Bible in their own image.

@AtamMardes

Жыл бұрын

@@trevrockrock16 Early writers fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples & others have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus.

@AtamMardes

Жыл бұрын

@@trevrockrock16 Man made God of the Bible, Allah, Zeus, Bible, Quran, heaven, hell, angles, Garden of Eden, Adam & Eve, sin, savior, sacrifice, resurrection, salvation, Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy, etc. Thy religion has got thou by the balls. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

People with this attitude make me so sad. I just want to shake them... How can you think you can judge God? Seriously. 😢

@cshaw9683

Жыл бұрын

God owes me an explanation for many things. Respect is earned. Mankind is far more noble than your god.

@kimmckiddy6302

Жыл бұрын

@@cshaw9683Jesus died to pay for your sins even though He didn't have to. Why do you think He owes you anything ?

@dwilcox3309

Жыл бұрын

We can judge him by his words and actions, and there's a lot to answer for.

@cshaw9683

Жыл бұрын

@@kimmckiddy6302 If you don’t have any objections or questions for the grand old pubah then you’re a person whose trust exceeds your curiosity. I’m not like that. I also don’t think Jesus died for anything so I do not feel particularly beholden. He was just a man who annoyed the Pharisees, interfered with their money making schemes of the temple, and embarrassed them. Jesus miscalculated their small mindedness and blundered into his own execution. Honestly I find Christian theology very strange and baffling.

@Delgen1951

Жыл бұрын

@@cshaw9683 As I see it. God owes you nothing not even life, yet he gave it to you. Respect is eared, yes and what have you done to earn Gods respect? Not a thing God does not repect any man, nor should he. Mankind is unjest and ignoble, crual and violet, and is willing blind.. yet loved. What has love to do with it.. everthing.

U know their is a fine line between religion and schizophrenia.

@cogforreal5952

11 ай бұрын

Says the world who is for the transgender / non-binary/ trans animal movement. Reality don’t exist for them

@gamertag7676

7 ай бұрын

Just took the words out of my mind, literally thinking the same thing

@slavishentity6705

6 ай бұрын

That's not schizophrenia. He isn't seeing or hearing god, he just read an old book and thinks it's a true story because his parents told him so.

The type of complacency and submission this guy has for a fictional character is the same type of behavior that's led millions of people to their own demise under authoritarian regimes all because they're afraid of what their supreme leader might do to them.

Comments about hating God are not based on reason, they are based on emotion and self worship. The sentiment, "I hate God because he allows all this suffering" is pure emotion. The sentiment says "I want God to take an active and immediate role in judging the wicked causing all this suffering." In other words, he is asking God to kill everyone and send them to hell. But God wants to redeem us, not condemn us.

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

God is evil because he causes all evil. He created everything.

@konyvnyelv.

Жыл бұрын

Ppl hate yhwh since he killed innocents even babies in bible

@droe2570

Жыл бұрын

@@konyvnyelv. lol

@c50m4

Жыл бұрын

Provided there is one, I don't hate god because It allows suffering. I merely see no reason to revere It. Also, for a lot of people the problem with religion is also the institutions. For the last 5000 years, any religion has a main goal: supressing and brainwashing the massess to enrich and empower the heads of the respective church/sect. What kind of god would let that happen in It's name?

@maggiebarrett7300

Жыл бұрын

If the god you are referring to is the brutal, barbaric, bloodthirsty god of the christian genocide manual, aka the bible, then the “comments about hating god” are based on pity, empathy and compassion.

I have questions for God concerning hardships in my life, but I understand that I will need to ask these questions with politeness and respect when the time comes.

@carolkhisa1564

Жыл бұрын

Whenever you have this questions, remember Jesus himself didnt even have a roof over his head, just know that once we are in the presence of God, we will be healed and the past will not matter became we would have won.

@vTHE_HiTMANv

10 ай бұрын

If you get their first will you ask him why he gives kids bone cancer? And why did he create parasites that burrow from the back of kids eyes ? Why would he create such pain and misery and then want you to pray to him on your knees forever or you go to hell ? Sounds like a lunatic to me.

@vTHE_HiTMANv

10 ай бұрын

AI was created by a man but in that sense we are practically god to the AI but does that mean we had good intentions? Does that mean we are right or we have some moral high ground ? Many people already say AI will grow its own consciousness and turn against us for using it as a slave. Maybe we are slaves to our creator but does that mean he's right or good ? Does that mean he has all the answers ? He is either not all powerful or not all good.

@robinmp3841

10 ай бұрын

You will get your chance, you will know instantly because once you are in your eternal body, all is revealed to you. You will have the knowledge of GOD that was taken from all of us at the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve sinned and were kicked out of the garden.

@abloogywoogywoo

6 ай бұрын

i have no politeness to give to monsters.

Why is Matthew 27:52 not mentioned anywhere in human history? Why is the star over Bethlehem not mentioned? Why is the feeding of the 5000 not mentioned outside of the book?

@CorbinB-Rax

Ай бұрын

Don't expect thinking. They don't have any

@vanessamartz7596

24 күн бұрын

@@Truth-Be-Told-USA It is. The book came after the message had spread around the known world, despite every horrific effort to squash it.

@vanessamartz7596

24 күн бұрын

@@Truth-Be-Told-USA Read more, research more. You are wrong.

The only ugly I can see is this young man's heart and mindset. If God is real (He is) so is hell for all who reject Him.

@paulnejtek6588

Жыл бұрын

If that's the only ugly you see you should probably be looking harder. Numbers 31:14-18 to start with or Proverbs 10 to start with. The god of the bible is a monster. And if there is no objective morality with out god humanity would be better off with no morality than demeaning themselves by putting their stamp of approval on that supposed god. And what in the world is "ugly" about this young man even if he was wrong???

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

Assuming the conclusion, non sequitur, and false dichotomy.

@sandraderoubaix734

Жыл бұрын

The cause of a mouth that speaks like this is a heart ( Levav) that is diseased . Matt 12:34 out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. We need to pray for his heart to be healed!

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

And your threats of an imaginary torture dimension doesn't work on rational people. It only works on the indoctrinated primitives who also believe an impossible posthumous paradise awaits them for contributing to the criminal organizations promoting this ridiculous mythology. Thanks 😇

@aaronmatzkin7966

Жыл бұрын

​@@sandraderoubaix734 yes, you need to petition your imaginary friend from your ridiculous mythology with magical incantations to elicit the favor of healing this man's blood pumping organ. While you're at it, can you invoke your invisible wizard to charm us with magical enchantments? The magical rituals of prayers and blessings in your cult of blood magic and human sacrifice are hilarious to those of us who know how to think. 😆 Thanks 😇

Gotta say, the "Incoming Response" slide in at the top is a great idea to help with people taking things posted on your page out of context

Im no christian, i have nothing against Christians personally, but if you ask me requireing the reward of infinite pleasure beyond belief and the punishment of eternal suffering to simply be a good and brotherly person, you are not a good person, at least not by nature. I still think it betters the world to get these people to be nice, just so long as they dont try to actively force it onto others who do not share their beliefs.

You missed the part where Alex explains why he thinks this way. Mainly the part about how God sends unrelenting pain on others.

@nono7105

Жыл бұрын

It's irrelevant. Partly because the argument from evil is millennia old and so is it's counter, but also because you don't need to answer the charge in order to defeat Alex's argument, _because it was self-defeating._

@Goldenrod6901

Жыл бұрын

@nono7105 how is it in any way self defeating? It doesn't even make an external claim. If God is how he's described he's a horrible being that *would be horrible to be around*.

@nono7105

Жыл бұрын

@@Goldenrod6901 What he does do is grant the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient, all wise, all loving, Creator God and then he says that he'd give such an entity a piece of his mind because he, Alex, knows better. It's a ridiculous position. Alex is essentially making an argument from evil attack on the idea of the Christian God. This is an _ancient_ argument. It has already been soundly defeated. You can simply google 'theodicy' to find out all about it. One of the counter arguments to the argument from evil is that, basically, God works in mysterious ways, and the universe had to be the way it is, and that doing it another way would result in a less good universe (for some unknowable reason). Some people find that idea insufficient. They call it an 'appeal to mystery'. They're wrong, it's actually quite sufficient to counter the argument from evil. Since the argument from evil is making an absolute claim it doesn't actually take much to defeat it; you need only carve out a possible exception and it falls apart. But still, some people don't like it. Mind you, maybe it's not that the answer is unknowable, but rather just unknown. So there could be a good reason that we just don't know and can't yet grasp from our position here in this life. What Alex does in his scenario is make the appeal to mystery _true._ If we have the universe as it is with all the evils it contains, _and_ we have the Christian God as well, then _Alex is wrong._ That's a logical entailment. In this case the mysterious reason that we are currently not privy to _must_ exist. Alex's position is self-defeating. The idea that he thinks that he knows better than God is mind boggling.

@Goldenrod6901

Жыл бұрын

@TopshottaRay and he's also a liar, a murderer, endorses slavery, created eternal torture, and demands we obey his every command under threats of pain

@Goldenrod6901

Жыл бұрын

@TopshottaRay God gave us disease we made doctors, God gave us tribalism we made treaties. God is responsible for everything Satan does. Is Satan more powerful than God? If not then God sits and watches Satan destroy and corrupt and blames us for it. "If God is the creator of everything then the only thing he can save us from is himself"

“No problem” says God !!

@JamilaS84

Жыл бұрын

He's not exactly elated at the thought of any single soul deciding to live separate from Him

@Delgen1951

Жыл бұрын

I do not belive that God will say no problem, the cost was to great, and the gospell tells us so, but I do agree that God will let you go to hell if you refuse his gift of salvation.

@pamd4227

Жыл бұрын

@@JamilaS84 yes of course not, and I understand, but He will not force us either 🙌👑

@pamd4227

Жыл бұрын

@@Delgen1951 of course not, I was being dramatic to make a point, He won’t force us, I’m sure He will grieve for lost souls 🙌👑

@existentialistremnant6231

Жыл бұрын

Ah, so your god rejoices at the needless torment of his own creations. Torment, I might add, that was designed as punishment for the nonexistent crime of not loving him enough. What a delightful emperor of the universe. It always amuses and horrifies me what religious people inadvertently say the cruelest things imaginable in defense of their gods.

There is definitely something you're missing Mike. Alex is supposing that the god character from the bible turns out to be real. That character is a monster.

@kimberly6021

Жыл бұрын

I think he is a knasher

@_BillyMandalay

Жыл бұрын

More important is what GOD thinks of him.

@kimberly6021

Жыл бұрын

@@_BillyMandalay yes you are right and that's the truth my brother in Christ🙏

@radongc115

Жыл бұрын

According to the infantile, flawed, illogical speck that is the human mind. Do you really think that the infinite, all powerful and all knowing God of the universe cares about your conclusion that he’s a monster? A conclusion that he would know full well is entirely ill-informed, finite, and corrupt? How can you seriously act like you’d be on an even playing field to debate the God of the Bible, supposing he is real, about how much of a monster he is, based on your ungrounded, created-made (as opposed to creator-made) morality? “Gods a monster” is your position. Ok. In the scenario you are imagining, you and everyone else that believes this is still going to be thrown into the universal dustbin for all eternity, totally separated from all good, because of your angry, selfish & unfounded rejection of your creator & his authority. To take this position is the pinnacle of arrogance and pride if you think about it. To sum it up: who are you to say this?

@jamesbecker8603

Жыл бұрын

@@_BillyMandalayactually it’s not important at all

The gates of hell are locked from the inside.

@stevenbatke2475

Жыл бұрын

Not in the bible. And people don’t send themselves to “hell”, god does.

@harambejr5935

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenbatke2475 it's a C.S Lewis quote so you're right about it not being directly in the bible but it is biblically sound. We choose sin over God and God gives us what we want. Which includes the consequences for our choices. Which means by living a life in rejection of God you chose to go to hell, you chose to be separated from your creator and he will not force his presence or love onto you. Nothing but gnashing teeth for those who don't have their hearts opened by the holy spirit. God prepares a spot in heaven for those he chooses and the only way there is through grace. We prepare our own place in hell with our actions and this can't be escaped unless God changes our hearts. Meaning everyone in hell, chose to be there. God doesn't force you to live a life of sin. That's your own fallen state in rejection of God.

@stevenbatke2475

Жыл бұрын

@@harambejr5935 we are born with a sin nature from birth, not of our own choosing. And like you said, God changes our hearts, not us. Let me put it this way: everyone in hell is there because God created them. If He didn’t create, no one would be there. Plus, God is the ultimate judge, so He sends people to hell, they wouldn’t willingly choose it. That’s nonsense. But still, eternal conscious torment isn’t biblical anyway.

@harambejr5935

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenbatke2475 If you think people wouldn't willingly choose hell you've clearly never had a long conversation with a nonbeliever. Our default nature of sin is to hate and reject God. Sadly more than you might expect would knowingly choose eternal separation from their creator right now if given the ultimatum. They live their lives accordingly. Defacing and devaluing everything he built. Hell is filled with people who in their hardened hearts thought they chose a life free from God,God gave them what they wanted.

@harambejr5935

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenbatke2475 also eternal separation from God. Darkness pain and gnashing teeth. Yeah that's biblical. Not the hellfire and brimstone from popculture but eternal torment in the sense of being apart from God is very biblical

That’s Alex O’ Connor (Cosmic Skeptic), A very intelligent & well spoken young lad, but his heart is hard, and I hope one day it will be softened & he’ll embrace Christ.

@bassmanjr100

Жыл бұрын

Yep, one of YT most thoughtful and open-minded atheist philosophers. 😂 God certainly will not keep you in His presence if you don't want to be there. I don't understand this line of thinking. He needs help, IMO.

@energizer7354

Жыл бұрын

Do you know why he thinks God is an “ugly creator”

@danielalexander3406

Жыл бұрын

@@bassmanjr100 no one is beyond the reach of God, but I think it is misguided to call Alex open-minded. Any Atheist who has an online platform to evangelise a worldview of nothingness, is not searching for truth, but rather suppressing it in unrighteousness. If we believe what Paul says in Romans 1, then no man is truly an Atheist.

@cshaw9683

Жыл бұрын

@@danielalexander3406 The default is atheism. Truth doesn’t flow from unsubstantiated claims, supernatural hokus pocus, and religious dogma. Your god is not any more special than all the gods that have come before. It is well past time to put this irrationality behind us so resources can be spent on actually solving problems. Praying to some god has never helped. Mankind has tens of millennia of experience of getting zilch from any deity.

@scottyyoch3537

Жыл бұрын

​@@cshaw9683 Please do tell, where has rationality taken us? Eugenics is rational. Very much so. So is social darwinism. It's just evolution, applied to human society. The French Revolution was based on rationality Man without the Image of God is no more than a beast.

Holy Lord you are truth and all that is called beautiful. Forgive us for our arrogance and how entitled we are. Thank you for the finished work of the cross!

@bigdomkook

11 ай бұрын

Oh sure, how dare we think for ourselves? What right do we have? We should just blindly follow something that hasnt been proven true like the dogs we are.

@robinmp3841

10 ай бұрын

AMEN GARY BLESSED ARE YOU BROTHER!❤ MARANATHA!

@robinmp3841

10 ай бұрын

No of course not but your not blind. unless you make yourself blind to HIS Words in the Bible, they are there for your good and benefit, its your directions to heaven and etrnal life, better get reading!!!@@bigdomkook

Hating God is like hating weather. It might help you or hurt you, but you can't deny it any more than you can change it.

@paulcooper1223

11 ай бұрын

Can you show your god as easy as the weather? If not, try a better comparison.

@beladendron

11 ай бұрын

@paulcooper1223 but you can't see the wind. The effects of the wind, yes, but not the wind. And that is half of weather. So it's a very apt comparison.

@paulcooper1223

11 ай бұрын

@@beladendron " but you can't see the wind." We can measure the wind, we know what causes wind, we can predict where high winds will be based on areas of high and low pressure. Can you do that for your god? If not, find a better comparison. Are you saying your god is a naturalistic phenomenon?

@beladendron

11 ай бұрын

@paulcooper1223 and just as you can detect the presence of invisible, natural forces, you can sense the presence of God. Is God a natural phenomenon? As much as people are. There's nothing unnatural about a baby being born, or a tree dropping fruit, or an egg hatching. Each of these lead to untold impacts on the natural world. And so it is with God, who is above us as we are above an animal in understanding.

@paulcooper1223

11 ай бұрын

@@beladendron "and just as you can detect the presence of invisible, natural forces, you can sense the presence of God." How do you sense the presence of god? I'm curious. What methodology do you use? We use instruments and experimentation to measure and understand what causes wind. We understand what causes wind, we can predict when we will have dangerously high winds. How is that the same as a god for which we have no evidence? A baby being born is a natural event. Are you claiming its supernatural? A tree dropping fruit is a natural event. You don't know what gravity is? An egg hatching is a natural event. We have studied and understand these events. They are naturalistic. They are not supernatural. Why are you comparing naturalistic phenomena with a god you can't demonstrate exists?

Sadly, this is how my agnostic brother thinks... I pray for his soul a lot.

@raultejada326

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff.

@CouchGuy19

Жыл бұрын

If your brother truly thinks this, he is more than agnostic.

@LoLbertarian110

2 ай бұрын

Your brother is based

It’s because their confidence is based off of ignorance. In their own minds they’re convinced that God isn’t real, so that allows them to speak about God in that manner.

@ryankramer8779

Жыл бұрын

Ignorance for seeing that there's no valid evidence for God's existence? We're convinced that He isn't real because the evidence has failed to present itself. That's not ignorance. That's burden of proof

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

We would speak about him whether we believed he existed or not. He’s a monster. You just so happened to be brainwashed into loving him.

@evancoffland19

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 Always interested in knowing why people think God is a monster.

@Quasar0406

Жыл бұрын

​@@evancoffland19book of Job

@konyvnyelv.

Жыл бұрын

​@@evancoffland19ehm... He created a child for king David and killed him to punish David? He hardened pharaoh and punished him for being hardened? He ordered genocide and ped0philia?

Nothing worse than being around someone who absolutely loves you and you absolutely hate

@phazelvosfreqdetector7580

Жыл бұрын

Since he doesn't believe there is this "being" that absolutely loves him, obviously he doesn't hate a hypothetical being. And in fact, in the clip, he never says he hates or despises this hypothetical creator. He says he doesn't think he'd be able to enjoy hanging out with this particular creator. While I'm at it, how can this omnipotent being that absolutely loves me come up with the idea of sending me to eternal hellfire, for any reason, when the being could have just as easily, changed me?

@Starfield_Eclipse

Жыл бұрын

@@phazelvosfreqdetector7580 hell is a condition of the soul. A result of aligning the will to that which is not God.

@nikke36

11 ай бұрын

@@Starfield_Eclipse what does this conditition of the soul feel like?

@Starfield_Eclipse

11 ай бұрын

@@nikke36 describe the experience of yellow to me.

@nikke36

11 ай бұрын

@@Starfield_Eclipse yellow experiences nothing if that's what you mean

Thankfully he doesn't exist.

If you reject God your entire life here on earth. He's not going to force you to be with him in eternity.

@robinmp3841

10 ай бұрын

nope, you damn yourself

@stevebradbury7757

10 ай бұрын

That's good then. I don't want to have to hang around with a narcissistic b*stard for all eternity.

@fireluvr

10 ай бұрын

What about someone like job god killed everyone he loved they were innocent how can you not be mad at that

@gibsonguy5240

10 ай бұрын

@@fireluvr Read your bible. God didn't kill them. Satan did.

@strykeralpha9650

10 ай бұрын

@@gibsonguy5240 what is the point of calling yourself a God if you are overpowered by evil? and if he is not overpowered by evil then why allow the devil to exist, and if is overpowered by evil then the devil is the true God, not God

Not kneeling to a tyrant isn't arrogance. It's self-respect and self-love.

@wisewoman4950

Жыл бұрын

A tyrant. God? Think it through my friend. Christ is salvation from sin. It's great folly to shake your fist at God. He's not Zeus. Know who you're fighting against.

@lout160

Жыл бұрын

@@wisewoman4950I'm just going to lay out a hypothetical scenario for you here. If I know you can't swim and I throw you into a lake, then I pull you out, am I a loving and kind rescuer? Absolutely not, I'm just imposing my power over your life. I know it's not entirely the same because lakes actually exist whereas sin is a pretend condition that requires a pretend cure. This idea of god is the very definition of an abusive narcissist and all his followers behave like battered wives defending him. If you want to live in denial, I'm okay with that, but I don't have the ability to blindly follow a lie. Oh, and if gods were real, I'd be much more terrified of Zeus than the biblical god, whatever his name is.

@michaelmalaki7176

Жыл бұрын

You are the tyrant.

@seanmccole1184

Жыл бұрын

​@@wisewoman4950you are right he is not zues. Zues inflicted pain on other gods and your christian God inflicts pain on his own "subjects"

@GringoBrasileiro2022

Жыл бұрын

@@wisewoman4950 If a leader says “Follow me or die” he would be classified as a tyrant. God does the exact same thing. He says “Love me or burn forever”. God is a tyrant.

I would be laying face flat on the floor begging and pleading for forgiveness 😢😢😢

@robcoop6521

Жыл бұрын

Why? If there is a god, it 100% isn't any of the ones that people worship here on Earth. It makes zero sense that it would be. There is no reason to beg for forgiveness. You just say hello. Maybe thank them if you're going somewhere nice cause you weren't a douche.

@scibear9944

Жыл бұрын

But its done. Jesus did it for you. Now all you have to do is accept God's forgiveness and enter into his presence forever😊

@dawgcat3087

Жыл бұрын

pathetic

@arthurschamne

Жыл бұрын

@@scibear9944 can you prove it?

@willfire0310

11 ай бұрын

I would face damnation gladly knowing its better than serving the petty, sadistic, baby killer who has inflicted all manner of toil on his on creation for nothing more than entertainment.

It's kinda hilarious seeing people defending the monster they so desperately hope exists and likes them.

It’s quite fascinating really. Many atheists say they reject God’s existence on lack of evidence but will turn right around and say even if He is real they want nothing to do with Him. They betray their deeper motivations when they do this and prove Paul right. “They suppress the truth in unrighteousness.”

@muppetonmeds

Жыл бұрын

True how can you hate something that doesn't exist. They don't realize their hate proves his existence.

@jaydengunt311

Жыл бұрын

I think your missing the point .... we don't believe in a God but the God you propose is one that is holding a gun to our heads and saying believe or suffer is not a God I would worship

@robertmwangi1452

Жыл бұрын

​​​​@@jaydengunt311God is not a holding a gun on you to believe,he freely calls you to believe, suffering is the Logical consequence of not believing. It is like a Parent telling a child not to play with a Knife or they will cut themselves, you surely cannot accuse that parent of holding a gun on the Child,the Parent is only concerned about the well-being of a child

@hermanwooster8944

Жыл бұрын

@@jaydengunt311 You're missing the point. It doesn't take long looking at the world to see it's pretty messed up and that we did it to ourselves. Our own lusts, jealousies, murders, hatred, selfishness, and perversion have ruined this world. And all God is asking from us is to believe and repent and He'll do the rest. He's not asking for us to climb the highest mountain or to plunge into the deepest oceans. He did all the hard work for us. Just believe and repent.

@SDRBass

Жыл бұрын

@@jaydengunt311 If you were being truly rational, wouldn’t you want to be a Christian if you knew it were true? It sounds a lot more like you don’t want it to be true tbh.

My prayer is that i can follow Jesus and be with Him and the Father for eternity and greatly enjoy every minute, hour, day, year, ages.....forever 🤗🥰🥰

@orcmcc

Жыл бұрын

...Why? No seriously, why? Of all the potentially versions of the afterlife, your most wanted one is to basically be a backstage groupie to someone in a world so comeplete detatched from your own you can't possibly relate to it? The very life we actively advise our children to avoid. That is your image of a perfect afterlife?

It's amazing that this Mike Winger guy spoke so many words but somehow managed to say nothing

@joywilliam8054

Жыл бұрын

But it’s true God is not answerable to you, and will not force you to live with him forever

@ploxyemortem4656

Жыл бұрын

@@joywilliam8054 how do YOU know, how can you prove this to me apart from using dogma

BS book says "The fear of god is the beginning of knowledge" This means shortcut your rationality and let fear motivate you to have faith. My mind is me. It is my most precious possession. I will not defile it with irrational fear. The courage to observe and integrate is the beginning of knowledge. I am ashamed that I ever believed in Christianity.

Men, on their own, are inclined to commit atrocities.

May God give grace to that poor man.

I don't wanna spend eternity with people who only had to accept that Jesus died to get in.

I'm an atheist and I don't believe or maybe hate god not for the reasons these religious people say but... Let's say god is real, and all religious people here are saying "you should be afraid and ask for forgiveness if you don't want to suffer" And that guys is my point if just because I didn't believe in god or didn't have trust in him, I will suffer... this whole thing sounds like a dictatorship to me just on a bigger level like "if you don't support our government you'll suffer" If I'm living a peaceful life, being kind to people and being overall a good human why will I suffer just because I asked for some answers from god... And even if I'm going to die in hell because of this, I'll gladly suffer in hell forever, then to believe in something that "claims" to love everyone equally

For a fictional character, God is pretty villainous.

@S.D.323

Жыл бұрын

Yep he's got a similar kill count to Pol pot

@holyknight201091

Жыл бұрын

@@atticusboman4444 Which god? There are many and continue to be, and Christians can't even agree on which version to follow amongst each other. You have imagined your god with the power to inform us all of his true intentions and knowledge and he chooses not to give us this knowledge. Which is more likely? This is a story made up by humans to manipulate their fellow man, or a god who is really secretive about his existence and makes a wager we'll somehow figure it out, and with that results in eternal torment should we fail the bet? No it is clear it is humans behind the giant magical god cults around the earth. No god would bother with such silliness.

The devils like to cry that it's all God's fault for their demise, instead of blaming themselves. A hardened heart, just like Pharaoh.

@nolanbalzer1796

11 ай бұрын

@Tanakas7, That isn't even Biblical. After the plagues, Pharaoh was at the point of losing his resolve, and God stepped in to harden his heart. Romans 9:22 tells us why he did it: God has created some people to be destroyed in order to make himself look more powerful and glorious to those he has decided to have mercy on. The demise of those who are perishing is, in fact, God's fault, and God has no problem saying so. Read: Romans 9:18 - God hardens those he wishes to harden Romans 11:17 - God saved the elect but hardened others Romans 8:30 - God calls those he has predestined from before the foundations of the world. Those he has not pre-destined will not be called. Eph 1:5 - God saves some and not others because it pleases him to do it that way. God plays favorites and has a message for those who think that's immoral, "Shut up, I can do what I want." (Romans 9:19-21)

@thompsonbaseball

10 ай бұрын

God hardened bud heart bro 😂. So many “Christian’s” haven’t read the Bible, much less understand it. You read the 4 synoptic gospels by bouncing around rather than understanding the book for what it was and what the writer was trying to say. The earliest gospel, Mark, doesn’t have the story of the virgin birth and says that Jesus is a man, not God. Y’all funny lol.

@visiontv112

6 ай бұрын

Are you aware it was God who hardened Pharaoh's heart,...the god who placed the forbidden fruit in the middle of the garden...the God who made David to count isreal just so that he could punish them for no reason. If it's always our fault, what did Job or his children or his livestock do to experience such traumatic events just because God placed a bet with the devil

@depressedphilosopherbitch7581

5 ай бұрын

Always our fault, huh? Sounds like an abusive relationship...

I can't agree more! Yes, there's something gone terribly, horribly wrong indeed. I would be concerned and terrified if that god was real, because it would mean we are in great danger of wrath and whims of an unstable, immoral, manipulative, authoritarian narcissist.

@julienngongang6955

11 ай бұрын

I think you just don’t understand God well. It’s ok to have doubts but don’t just keep them for yourself. Ask questions to people who know the religion very well. I’m not an expert in christianity but I think I could explain it to you if there are things you don’t understand. If you have questions, ask me or make a research on KZread. there are a lot of very wise Christian people on KZread that could answer your questions, such as Sam Shamoun.

@Headbanger427

11 ай бұрын

That's where you're mistaken. LOVE can't be forced or is not really LOVE. GOD Loves you so much that if you don't want to go to heaven to be with him, he will not force you to go. The choice is YOURS to make & GOD loves you enough to honor YOUR Choice.

@Johnsmith-uw7uw

11 ай бұрын

​@@julienngongang6955I have seen many religious videos on youtube. Theyre all trash, and dismissed with the tiniest smidge of critical thinking and logic. Ill be very impressed and appreciative if you can actually answer my question. How do you know God is real? Did he tell you? People are obviously free to believe what they want, but its literally equivalent to believing in Harry Potter or Star Wars. Ludicrous insanity. Its actually quite pitiful that grown adults still believe in tbeir little fairy tales. Do you still believe in Santa and the Toothfairy, too?

@Johnsmith-uw7uw

11 ай бұрын

​@@Headbanger427yes, love can be forced actually. Kids like ice cream more than vegetables. Who loves their kid more? A parent who only feeds their kid ice cream? Or a parent who forces their kid to eat vegetables and meat and nutritious food that they hate? Its obvious that when you "love" someone, and youre the one making the decisions, you make decisions *NOT* based on what the person *wants* but based on what they *need* If god is real, which he obviously isnt, hes evil and wicked and cruel and should be condemned and hated

@bikesrcool_1958

11 ай бұрын

@@AK-gk6sdyou don’t get sent to hell by God. Atheists have a bad understanding of hell. You send yourself to hell. Also you are currently without excuse before God, you are confronted with people believing and people not believing. You choose what you choose. You aren’t blameless. God giving you your wish to be apart from him isn’t expected?