Ok, give me your thoughts, people. How would you rank these arguments yourself? Is my choice for A tier outrageous?

@microsoftcortana9239

4 жыл бұрын

Hello, I'm first

@microsoftcortana9239

4 жыл бұрын

I love your channel btw

@lioneye108

4 жыл бұрын

Have you Come across Bernado Kastrup? Check him out

@Mattttlantis

4 жыл бұрын

I would put personal experience above the teleological argument, actually

@wren6311

4 жыл бұрын

Your discord link is expired

If God doesn't exist, then why is the game called "God of War" and not "Science of War"?

@albertdescartes9462

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, now i believe in kratos

@RyujiJames

2 жыл бұрын

@@albertdescartes9462 LMAOOO

@blitzcha0s308

2 жыл бұрын

Because games are a product of fiction therefore god is fiction. *BOOM*

@Nasho3

2 жыл бұрын

@@blitzcha0s308 ö

@Claudius_Ptolemy

2 жыл бұрын

If God is fake, why is a canine called a dog and not an ecneics ?

Missed the opportunity to make a God tier

@hremostypas

2 жыл бұрын

this comment is ingenious omg

@rohithssj3

2 жыл бұрын

For sure. Canon Jesus vs canon krishna. No legends.

@Marchclouds

2 жыл бұрын

That would piss so many people off

@donovanberserk4993

2 жыл бұрын

Its debatable whether such a tier exists

@spiritualsnail1584

2 жыл бұрын

Nah it's S tier for Science tier

The main problem with Pascal's Wager is that it isn't even an argument for god's existence, but an argument for believing in god's existence, which are not the same thing

@michaelramon2411

6 ай бұрын

The most common version of the Argument from Morality has the same problem - "If people don't believe in God, they won't be moral" is an argument for why people should ACT like God exists, not an argument that he actually exists. Honestly, the Argument from Personal Experience, while not a great argument, is the only one here that deserves the slightest credence, because it is the only one that attempts to present EVIDENCE rather than playing word games or ignoring the question entirely.

@padhlebhai-mi2nd

6 ай бұрын

hmm, good rationale @@michaelramon2411

@ronaldrrootiii6040

6 ай бұрын

Exactly and even if you were to follow it you're not making a Christian God happy who wants you to actually worship him and all this stuff Beyond just literally believing he exists which is crazy

@junaidahmad1492

6 ай бұрын

If you boil any argument long enough, you won't find god's existence but the belief in god.

@dylanmolfetas4947

6 ай бұрын

I appreciate your engagement with Pascal's Wager. While it is true that Pascal's Wager does not directly argue for the existence of God, it does present a pragmatic approach to belief in God. Pascal's Wager proposes that even if the existence of God cannot be established with certainty through rational arguments, it is still rational to believe in God because the potential benefits of belief outweigh the potential costs. According to Pascal, belief in God is a safer bet than unbelief. The wager suggests that if God does exist, then believers will gain eternal bliss, while non-believers will suffer eternal loss. Conversely, if God does not exist, believers will only have a finite loss in terms of pleasures and comforts in this life, while non-believers will have no eternal gain. Therefore, Pascal argues that the rational choice is to believe in God, as it maximizes the potential for eternal happiness. While Pascal's Wager may not provide evidence for the existence of God, it presents a rational framework for considering belief in God as a prudent choice. It grapples with the potential consequences of one's beliefs and suggests that the potential benefits of belief make it reasonable to choose faith in God. However, I encourage further examination and evaluation of other arguments for the existence of God, such as the cosmological argument or the teleological argument, as they offer additional support for belief in a higher power.

If god doesn’t exist, then why do meteors ALWAYS land in craters?

@FenrizNNN

8 ай бұрын

S tier theory.

@EEE-do3eu

8 ай бұрын

this better be a joke if its not THE METEORS MAKE THEM ON IMPACT GOOBER

@keeganpogue1856

3 ай бұрын

@@EEE-do3eubruh you’re dumb as hell

@user-ty8pr3gf4v

3 ай бұрын

@@EEE-do3eu r/whoosh

@credentials4664

2 ай бұрын

​@@EEE-do3eusame

Ha imagine framing serious subjects in gamer terms wow what a nerd

@photophone5574

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah like biology or some crap.

@sigitang9398

4 жыл бұрын

You, here ?! I thought it was a featuring with you at first glance !

@longshorts5154

4 жыл бұрын

Hey I know you --_--

@JadenWaddell

4 жыл бұрын

TierZoo everyone is stealing your format. Casually explained did it too

@turiaki9002

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of "TierZoo" throughout this entire video. You're the gift that keeps on giving!

If god doesn't exist, then why are human ears in the perfect location for eye glasses?

@louisdavout7136

3 жыл бұрын

@Andrei Salvaleon lol. Yes it's a joke. Welcome to Poe's law

@cait3196

3 жыл бұрын

haha checkmate athiests

@Diego-ud3nb

3 жыл бұрын

@@cait3196 owo

@123telamon

3 жыл бұрын

Is the Eye glasses that were made to fit the human face. Not the human face were made to fit the eye glasses

@ifera6393

3 жыл бұрын

Oh hello there Pangloss!

“If I’m wrong I lose nothing, if you are wrong, you lose everything!” “Ok”

@Bojan12

3 ай бұрын

I am Christian and yes that is completely wrong. Matter of fact Paul even wrote that we are most miserable of all people if it is not true. And guess what I never liked gambling in my life

@ivyumi.

3 ай бұрын

Thats a very dumb reason to become Christian anyway,i dont think you will go to heaven for believing in god simply out of fear of hell

@adamanthark5237

3 ай бұрын

Yeah good luck choosing thousands of Gods out there. Maybe Anubis were the real one all this time

@Bojan12

3 ай бұрын

@@adamanthark5237 Anubis did not endure test of time

@seanwaddell2659

3 ай бұрын

@@Bojan12doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist, in the same way that the worship of other gods does not mean they exist

Personal experience is definitely a hard one to refute. I was arguing my atheism with my father when he stated that he wouldn’t be able to handle it if he had to believe his father was not living in heaven. Although it certainly didn’t change my beliefs, it did cause me to end the discussion because I wasn’t willing to go down that line of discussion.

@marknieuweboer8099

8 ай бұрын

It's not an argument, so there is no need to refute it.

@yeetusfreezus5175

8 ай бұрын

did you stop because you couldn't refute it?

@davidcalado744

8 ай бұрын

​@@yeetusfreezus5175it just wasnt worth it

@yeetusfreezus5175

8 ай бұрын

@@davidcalado744 This is the problem have with atheist vs theist debates. You can't pick what parts of the argument you want to respond too. If you blisfully ignore it you have conceded, and it would be foolish to continue in your positon.

@biddash9815

8 ай бұрын

@@yeetusfreezus5175you wanted my boy to argue down his pops about his father not being in heaven? its not that deep

If god doesnt exist, why does the hand of man fit so perfectly around the throat of a goose?

@omurbekakm6689

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@omarbazarbachi418

3 жыл бұрын

You deserve more likes!!

@runtergerutscht4401

3 жыл бұрын

Insert peace was never an option joke here

@hayden5889

3 жыл бұрын

Omg, im a believer now

@michac.8283

3 жыл бұрын

This but unironically. These vile mfers are only good to be strangled

“If god is not real then why is Christianity so popular?” - a priest, literally edit please stop talking i dont care

@gottgainz6477

4 жыл бұрын

My friend said the same thing about chakras. If it's not real, why do so many people on KZread believe in it

@Codemanlex

4 жыл бұрын

Well then Superman is real

@jebemtigolaz

4 жыл бұрын

What an easy question. Propaganda, forceful christianisation, proselytisation, power plays, keeping people ignorant, cultism, attacking other beliefs, etc.. etc Also, Christianity is NOT popular. It's actually just metastasized, like cancer.

@XxAshxX140

4 жыл бұрын

My dad said that to me years ago

@ramblingrob14

4 жыл бұрын

NerveSystem once again I’m Catholic and I say it’s an argument not legit proof

As a muslim, you talk in a very kind manner. I respect you for not being emotionally enraged (unlike the other antitheist preachers) and keeping it civil and humane.

@megan8932

8 ай бұрын

I want to say, sorry from all the hate you guys get from Americans, and LGBT people, not all of us are like that.

@theperfecttroller

8 ай бұрын

@@megan8932 what does lgbt have to do with anything

@walikazmi7613

8 ай бұрын

@@theperfecttroller gay

@lasagnapaper

8 ай бұрын

@@theperfecttroller Lgbtq+ groups hate Muslims do to the fact that in their religion it is haram(sin) to be Lgbtq+

@thomasfisher4833

8 ай бұрын

​@@megan8932I'm confused. You think the LGBT community is too ... discriminatory towards muslims? But muslims are, on the whole, pretty homophobic, transphobic, etc. So I think an animosity is justified.

I love how he talks about these arguments like they’re weapons in an rpg

@ultimazilla9814

6 ай бұрын

I mean, if you think about it, life is just one big RPG (role playing game, not rocket propelled grenade), and these are argumental (I made the word up) weapons

@hil449

6 ай бұрын

​@@ultimazilla9814rethorical weapons

My boy living in a nether fortress.

@thenothingking

4 жыл бұрын

How is this not a top comment

@GeeksOasis

4 жыл бұрын

Upvote this. Upvote this now!

@antoniobandito3161

4 жыл бұрын

Best comment

@figoschneider9946

4 жыл бұрын

This comment is hillarious

@mickdowling982

4 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment😭

In my opinion, the weakest argument is “The Bible proves that the Bible is correct!”

@mekullag9787

4 жыл бұрын

Archon of Games While „it is be true because it says it is“ is circular reasoning, „It may be true because some guy wrote it down as though it were a few thousand years ago“ is just called „working with historical sources“. A lot of effort goes into figuring out what is and is not belivable (loads of propaganda or just fantasy epics that were never meant to be taken as fact etc.), by cross-referencing the text with other evidence. finding out about the author and on and on. A single text says there was a battle here 2000 years ago and we actually found a 2000 year old weapon or two in that area? That‘s usually enough to make it into history books. Two sources of opposing political sides share a story that‘s more or less comparable? Something like that most likely happened. Two sources share a story thats almost identical? Probably never happened. Just because some texts were collected in a book and some weren‘t you can‘t discount their possible value as historical sources. As far as I know the jury is still out on the believability of the gospels in scientific circles (correct me if I‘m wrong, my knowledge may not be up to date). As far as I know they actually compare favourably to other sources we consider factual. If they were telling a story that was easy to believe, the gospels might probably be taught as history by now. But, as you know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and with a claim like that I‘m honestly not sure if any historical source could ever suffice.

@andrewprahst2529

4 жыл бұрын

That one falls in the category of personal experience, I would say. But that's actually more reliable because its accounts of several people instead of just one. Btw you do mean "bible proves God exists" right? I don't think I've met someone claiming what you said.

@andrewcalebgorospe2754

4 жыл бұрын

Congrats. You just unlocked the No tier class

@EinFelsbrocken

4 жыл бұрын

Its funny, if more people would actually read the bible, there would be less and less believers, as the bible contradicts and denies itself NON STOP.

@andrewprahst2529

4 жыл бұрын

Felsbrocken I agree there would be fewer believers, but only because of the actual content of it. I challenge the fact that the bible contradicts itself at all let alone constantly. I hear people say that constantly with little proof. I have seen videos like those made by Non-stamp-collector, but if you look at the bible as a collection of documents by limited individuals rather than some sort of continuous narrative, most of those "contradictions" disappear

As a theist, I really like your honest analysis and respectful attitude when describing these arguments. I actually don't use any of those arguments since I think the existence or absence of God is not something "to know" or deduce logically.Since the universe is so big compared with our knowledge, and our science is still limited, then there is neither a way to prove or disprove God's existence.Even our human brains and logic are limited so we have no way to know yet if God exists or not.We can only choose to believe or not, and any of these choices are ok since we still don't know logically/scientifically.I choose to believe in a higher power since that gives me more psychological comfort.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

8 ай бұрын

I’m glad you liked the video! I agree with a lot of you had to say and respect your honesty and position. Thanks for a great comment 👊

@marknieuweboer8099

8 ай бұрын

As our Universe is part of natural reality and a god is supposed to be supernatural science, limited or not, by definition can't (dis)prove the idea. There are other ways though.

@simply_oat755

23 күн бұрын

if you crave psychological comfort id suggest therapy..

@randomloverofcheese

11 күн бұрын

​​@@simply_oat755 If it gives him comfort, religion IS his therapy

@krishivraj2361

11 күн бұрын

@@simply_oat755 My theistic belief would be that everything that exists is essentially God. Now I don't think there is any refutation for that unless we do not exist. But it is just my belief, which is not shared by a lot of people.

Pascal's wager isn't even an argument for god's existence - it adds nothing to the question of whether or not god exists. It is merely an argument for why we should believe in god.

@typicool9083

5 ай бұрын

The religions that are easiest to follow and that give the harshest punishments for disobedience always seem to become the most popular. It entertains my own personal theory that goes this way: If an authority figure creates an edict that is easy to follow promising infinite reward, and inversely, if ignored, enforcing infinite suffering then it will be widely agreed upon. I find that the proof of this is seen in what religions still float around today. While many religions explain the origin of earth and all on it, the ones that stick around are the ones that promise reward and horrible punishment.

@ChristopherCro

2 ай бұрын

​@@typicool9083EXACTLY. And the resson *most* people blindly follow religion is because their parents or someone else told them that when they were a child.

@typicool9083

2 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherCro totally forgot when i was writing this comment but damn was i cooking

@ChristopherCro

2 ай бұрын

@@typicool9083 haha

@dbossmotiv

2 ай бұрын

It doesn’t even give a good argument for that either though 😂 it’s a $hieet argument through and through.

Sss tier argument was the article that was “45 year old man dies, gets revived, claims god was wearing timbs

@kzlznnero755

4 жыл бұрын

Trash boat is that real

@MapleMilk

4 жыл бұрын

Well obviously God wears Converse

@victorb5608

4 жыл бұрын

Garett Crook yeahhhhhh....no. I like to imagine god as a huge naked guy wearing only timbs. Much more style than Lucifag will ever have

@Ray-hx3rm

4 жыл бұрын

Lord Xavier guys calm down I was joking. God obviously wears crocs

@gevanilauzon2079

4 жыл бұрын

“he was fresh as fuck”

"God exists, therefore God exists”

@funguy-yt7632

2 жыл бұрын

"

@somebodytouchedmyspaghet7876

2 жыл бұрын

And that's it case closed , good night *Mic Drop*

@jwyz4906

2 жыл бұрын

@@funguy-yt7632 oops

@midwestnagyfa4648

2 жыл бұрын

God must exist, therefore God exists.

@christophersnedeker2065

2 жыл бұрын

Well the Hebrew name of God revealed to Moses is "I am that I am" or "I will be that I will be"

16:46 I place "personal experience" in s tier because the lack of personal experience made me lose my beliefs while I was still aware of every argument on this list. Basically the argument that is the strongest for me is the one that, without it, someone would lose all faith.

@jamesc3505

3 ай бұрын

Yes, similarly, I imagine personal experience would be convincing for me, and I haven't experienced it. I imagine I would definitely rate it highest if I had. I did wonder for a bit whether I should rate it highest, since, having not had such personal experience myself, I can't find it convincing. But I think anyone who has should certainly rate it higher than any of the philosophical arguments. (I think those are all terrible.) And, thinking about it, I find other people's testimony of personal experience more convincing than any of the philosophical arguments, so even not having had personal experience myself, it's still the strongest argument for me.

@soso88884

3 ай бұрын

@@jamesc3505 i had some personal experiences that wavered my atheism, its definitely strong

@abdelhaditayebbey

2 ай бұрын

but its still not a good argument in my opinion maybe if the video is titled best causes for believe in god or something it would've been s tier but it doesnt prove god.

@jamesc3505

2 ай бұрын

@@abdelhaditayebbey: Yeah, that's possibly fair. It might be compelling, but not necessarily a good argument. I avoided saying "S tier" anyway, because, not having had personal experience myself, it isn't really either for me.

@xavieryeeter8547

2 ай бұрын

I bet a lot of people mistake the hallucinations from DMT from close death experiences as God or alien encounters

Personal experiences are not an argument for the existence of god. They are just an argument for why that person believes in god.

@SteelShakey

3 ай бұрын

Agreed

@Bojan12

3 ай бұрын

They can be especially if you encountered the same. This can be mind opening. Some carry really incredible testimonies for which they will even die for in need be

@Stevewilldoit96

3 ай бұрын

Look around you, that’s proof of god. Everything didn’t come from nothing. there had to be intelligent design. Aristotle discovered the unmoved mover theory 3000 years ago. Look it up, it’s actually interesting philosophy.

@ChristopherCro

2 ай бұрын

​@@Stevewilldoit96watch the whole video

@bountiful14

Ай бұрын

@@Stevewilldoit96ok sure everything around us is proof of god. now which god is it proof of?

if God doesn't exist, then why are shoes the perfect shape for our feet to fit in?

@zazithym3569

3 жыл бұрын

Chekmate atheists

@tristanbrewer4523

3 жыл бұрын

Because apes designed them

@malonedeluxe

3 жыл бұрын

@@tristanbrewer4523 laiiirr impsbli

@kimnasayao5549

3 жыл бұрын

ahhh man, definitely can't refute that

@apollo1211

3 жыл бұрын

@@tristanbrewer4523 I don’t think you can call Asians that

> god is a shitposter > shitpost exist >Therefore, god exist

@torondin

4 жыл бұрын

Ah, follower of mighty Trolldin you are.

@jazzabighits4473

4 жыл бұрын

God is Australian?

@BlacksmithTWD

4 жыл бұрын

The logic is sound. I just wonder where you got your premises from.

@angelikaskoroszyn8495

4 жыл бұрын

@@torondin No, you got it wrong. Mighty Loki has been described as a god who trolls people by, among other ways, using different personas. He tricked you into believing that Trolldin exists => Loki exists

@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459

4 жыл бұрын

BlacksmithTWD the logic is valid, not sound.

I was born and raised a Christian, this is possibly the calmest and most level headed video I've seen. I respect your ideas and information. I know my beliefs boil into the personal experience category as I'm tormented a lot with night terrors. Although I could potentially see the other side I'm not capable of understanding it from my own understanding

@tripledogmlgf1411

8 ай бұрын

love these comments, wish everyone could understand calmly and no one would have to rant and hate on people for stuff, what a idealistic world tho.

@Levi-xx1mj

8 ай бұрын

The only reason he is level headed is because he’s talking to a camera.

@DyarContreras

7 ай бұрын

@@Levi-xx1mjlol…cynical much?

@DyarContreras

7 ай бұрын

dr squash, I’m sorry to hear that. I used to be a Christian, but now, I am a more enlightened agnostic atheist who has a lot of inner peace…I wish you peace and happiness, despite your inner turmoil. Being raised religious is a HELL of a thing to have to overcome….believe me, I know from first hand experience.

@DyarContreras

7 ай бұрын

@@tripledogmlgf1411great comment! It’s all we can hope for during these especially crazy times, right?

This reminded me of a time when I attended a religious camp as a kid. The group leaders(who were adults) were posing as atheists and we were supposed to convince them that God exists. After two hours they were like nevermind and told us to forget about it lol.

@squanchwater4715

8 ай бұрын

Timothy 2:12

@bigsmoke6488

8 ай бұрын

​@@squanchwater4715LMFAOO

@Space_e_e_E_

8 ай бұрын

show them quran

@raptordarwish887

7 ай бұрын

@@Space_e_e_E_ pretty sure they cant read it

@Valencetheshireman927

7 ай бұрын

@@Space_e_e_E_The book that treats an Arab warlord as the final prophet of god?

S tier is when someone on the side of the road tells me I’m going to hell unless I repent. Gets me every. damn. time.

@app5387

2 жыл бұрын

@Doom Slayer well God never told me personally I guess.

@porkfriedrice1530

2 жыл бұрын

Do you ever beep at them rudely

@edgemadefoxe367

2 жыл бұрын

@@app5387 you need to real level 6 of charisma for that to happen

@123telamon

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes i hear voices of jesus in my head, but then i remember im muslim and that this voice must be muhammed :) HAHAHAH im so funny

@SeudXe

2 жыл бұрын

@Doom Slayer Of course Doom Slayer himself says this :0

What's ironic about Pascal's Wager is that if anyone chooses to believe in god solely bc they would suffer less... I don't think god would be pleased and allow them into heaven

@harlottebronte

2 жыл бұрын

Along the same token, if the only reason you know it's wrong to murder people is because your religion tells you so, you have a dangerously low amount of basic human empathy. i meann god damn (literally).

@dragooll2023

2 жыл бұрын

In the old testament God decided to accept Abraham because he was sure that he feared him

@sircatfaceesq578

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragooll2023 Is the Old Testament still canon to the Christian fandom? I thought it got retconned when the sequel New Testament came out around 100AD?

@dragooll2023

2 жыл бұрын

@@sircatfaceesq578 I do not comprehend what you're saying

@mr.cup6yearsago211

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragooll2023 he’s asking if the Old Testament is still seen as ‘real’ by Christians, though he’s wrapped it up in a joke about Christianity being a fanbase dedicated to the Bible as if it’s a piece of media.

But for the argument in S-tier we might be asking the wrong question. Maybe instead of asking ‘why is the universe like this’ while looking for physical laws to justify this, we should ask ‘why are we humans in a universe with these specific conditions. This of course opens up the possibility for there being a multiverse, but if there is an infinite number of universes out there it is 100% certain that a universe with our characteristics exist, and it is the only universe we could possibly exist in which is why we’re in this one. Great video! Thank you!

@mubaraksenju7521

8 ай бұрын

agreed. very good of you to think of it from this perspective.

@DyarContreras

7 ай бұрын

In one song in Greydon Square’s music, he samples a Michio Kaku speech where the theoretical physicist talks about multiverse theory. Although I’m pretty sure Kaku is a believer in a deistic type of god, still, I learn a lot every time I listen to it! Good stuff. Ideas matter. Logic matters…I wish there had been more classes in public school that could have taught me that stuff.

@fake10hourentertainment17

6 ай бұрын

If there’s an infinite number of universes than there’s probably an infinite number of exact copies of our universe. Though they may diverge down different paths at any given second.

@TroublesomeKing

6 ай бұрын

If there were multiverses that still doesn’t disprove God, but it would disprove the problem of evil since God has created infinite universes and given all free will, the randomness of humans and the devils deception would change how evil our world would be universe to universe.

@rini177

6 ай бұрын

by asking why are humans in a place with these conditions, are you not seperating humans from their environment? viewing humans as something that was placed in this world as an outsider rather than as something that grew out of the world where these conditons were already taking place is a relgious perspective in itself. And if the question you are asking is these conditions for life were too complex to not have been created by a god then that means that a complex being had to have made them. And if god is that complex being and complex things have to be created then who created god? and so forth...

Great video! I do love Anselm's ontological argument that, basically, being able to imagine something makes it true. We can all sit around and imagine things all day! If you don't think this is the greatest possible comment somebody could post here, well, try imagining that it is...

@rexmacquaidthe3rd

7 ай бұрын

The second part of xour comment makes it worth a like! lol had a good chuckle over that 😅

if god doesn't exist than who's jesus's dad? check mate atheists

@andrewwenner2781

3 жыл бұрын

You got em on the ropes!

@iamepicfumo2360

3 жыл бұрын

Your mom

@lonzoformvp5078

3 жыл бұрын

Mary just needed a cover up story for cheating on Joseph

@the_renaissance

3 жыл бұрын

@@lonzoformvp5078 exactly

@ismetel-emin7569

3 жыл бұрын

Pfff

F minus tier: God exists because the Bible says he does.

@TheEditFactory

2 жыл бұрын

That'd be like saying The Cat in the Hat exists because the Book exists. Thank you for spotting out people who probably exist

@crenfick7750

2 жыл бұрын

@Doom Slayer three A tiers and a C tier, not bad!

@marmoo5356

2 жыл бұрын

@Doom Slayer God has never answered a single person as a result of prayer, otherwise the idea of "working in mysterious ways" wouldn't exist, because his reasoning would be given through his communication with his followers. Just as many people who have claimed to see heaven and hell have claimed to have seen things such as ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, etc. Human experience is fallible, especially when perception is not something that is always guaranteed to be reliable in humans (brain diseases, conditions that induce hallucination, etc.) The devil is mentioned in the bible, but his proof is never found in how people are influenced. To say he is real because the bible says he is real is the same argument as the 'cat in the hat' argument.

@angussean8481

2 жыл бұрын

@zeuytz please find evidence for your argument before spilling your opinion into the comment section.

@KaiserYoshi2

2 жыл бұрын

@Doom Slayer Bruh you didn't have personal experiences with God. Something just happened to you and because of false dichotomy and confirmation bias you think conveniently it is the work of that particular God you believe in. But you probably won't see the vid nor hear me out so at least do not have children

Let's say, hypothetically, that the fine tuning argument is right. It only deals with the creation of the universe and nothing more. Thus, it still has at least three extra aspects about it that many modern day theists would be very reluctant to embrace. 1. The argument doesn't tell you how many gods were involved in the universe's creation; it could be any number. 2. The argument doesn't tell you whether the god or gods that created the universe continued to exist after the creation, or whether it/they exist still. 3. The argument doesn't prove life after death. The theists that I've heard make the fine tuning argument don't only want to win the supernatural creation debate; they want their opponent to automatically make the mental leap of accepting all the tenants of their specific religion.

@kiwiofoz7954

3 ай бұрын

yeah, the fine tuning argument belongs less so to a specific religion and is more of a deist approach. you can accept it without belonging to any specific religion

@dataman6310

29 күн бұрын

If you want to get into classical theistic arguments, cool. 1. The creation of the universe and of its aspects is the truest example of omnipotence, or the ability to do anything that can be done. 2 beings can't both be maximally powerful, because that would be an internal contradiction. Think about it this way: what is infinity minus infinity? An infinite being only makes sense in the singular. That doesn't mean that we don't believe other beings existed before creation, we do (they're called angels, they aren't omnipotent), but the being that is infinite is what we call God. 2. By nature, if a being exists outside of time, needed in order to be the uncaused cause because only a timeless being can be uncaused, it has never and will never cease to exist. If a being creates wood, can it be made of wood? Same thing. A being that creates time can't exist within it. 3. True. We have to trust other forms of revelation God has given us. Hope it makes sense! Have a blessed day!

@V0xct

10 күн бұрын

@@dataman6310but the argument didn’t prove the beings involved were infinitely powerful

@dataman6310

9 күн бұрын

@V0xct difference between maximally powerful and infinitely powerful. Maximal power is the ability to do anything "that can be done". Infinite power is the ability to do anything. God is maximally powerful. He can't create a stone he cannot lift, nor create a triangle with more than 180 degrees, but those are logically impossible, and maximal power doesn't account for logical impossibility. How do we know God is maximally powerful? If he created space, time, matter, and energy, there's nothing that can be done that he couldn't do.

@conradbulos6164

9 күн бұрын

.....for being " bad" as in being " sinful". Another good news! No such thing as sin but errors in judgement which are not necessarily punishable by eternal fire(a concept to scare people) but are correctable by proper guidance, redirection or reorientation.

What on earth is this channel... I love it😂 personally I'm a Christian and the main reason I am willing to believe is that it's logically possible for there to be a God and obviously some people think logically possible for there not to be a God. So now I have a choice and I have decided to go with the God side because I feel there is significant historical evidence even though there is a chance it's all just crazy people or something (sometimes you gotta take risks in life and it's not hurting me because I feel like I'm able to have a relationship with God and it makes me happier even if it's not real lol). And I choose Christianity because thats what makes the most since to me. This is the first video of yours I've seen so I don't want to judge a book by it's cover, but the only thing I usually hear atheists saying is that I can't logically prove God exists, therefore He doesn't exist which is dumb. Thanks for being chill and open about your learnings and good luck on your endeavors 👍

@Qwthetoast

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for not being a really loud and mean crazy religous person have a nice day

@mprado1405

6 ай бұрын

Even if god doesn't exist god still gives a good set of moral values, holds you accountable to love everyone and be the best person you can be without any external force but yourself doing this. Christianity can make someone think or take a new point of view and think of everyone equally instead of being a savage although we do know how many wars religion has caused just like any difference but thank god for opening some people's mind to new ideas instead of feeling disgust which humans naturally do when they see anything different than what they are used to like (skin color, food, appearance, etc). Even if some people don't believe it has helped many.

@bensmith4430

6 ай бұрын

Love it

@Arun_Baliga

6 ай бұрын

This is what separates theism and deism. Theists, like you believe in god because of no particular logic. It just makes sense to you. While deist will claim that they believe in god due to logic. I think it's important for people to know this.

@jjghjklkjhgfdrtyuik

6 ай бұрын

@@Qwthetoast are they in the room with us right now?

As a Christian, I saw a great counterpoint to Pascal's Wager. Ricky Gervais said "well why don't you put garlic over your door then just in case Dracula exists"

@tkayzzy8164

Жыл бұрын

well tbf vampires are supposed to request permission to enter so he wouldnt be able to get in anyways

@SKKaelth

Жыл бұрын

@@tkayzzy8164 what if they dont?

@flowercities

Жыл бұрын

well going to hell is probably a lot more significant than a vampire visiting, to most people

@tkayzzy8164

Жыл бұрын

@@SKKaelth according to folklore they all must due to some mythological shit man. It only changed for the new age movies and all that so I say "supposed"

@jorelldye4346

Жыл бұрын

You are not a Christian if you believe "just in case". Jesus said: "These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages. They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed..." When I TRULY believed, I received miraculous power to accompany it. In example, I prayed a friend into God's presence and out of a coma when he hung himself in prison. If you haven't seen or experienced radical miracles, then you have not begun to experience the life of saving faith.

If god doesn't exist, who gives CJ money when he does car jumps in GTA San Andreas

@arrivederciheheeeeee5809

2 жыл бұрын

asking the actual questions here

@fulana_de_tal

2 жыл бұрын

God exists, but only in the game, that's why we don't get money when we do car jumps in real life

@michaelm8973

2 жыл бұрын

@@fulana_de_tal speak for yourself

@robin2117

2 жыл бұрын

@@fulana_de_tal eu ganho

@fulana_de_tal

2 жыл бұрын

@@robin2117 f e n o m e n a l

towards the end my goosebump only gets stronger and stronger. And here I thought Pascal's Wager is the best argument. Your channel is a blessing for me as an evangelical student.

@alchemist137

2 ай бұрын

well you can twist things to augment your own world view anyways

there's also the fact that rarely someone is trying just to convince you that god exists, but instead that their religion is the right one, which is so much harder.

@lukasg4807

6 ай бұрын

I mean I'd argue that 10/12 disciples died for their beliefs, even after having had the chance to recant and save their lives. From that I can reasonably assume that they genuinely believed they saw Jesus risen from the dead after his crucifixion or else they wouldn't die for it. Overall I think it's far more likely that they weren't all insane and that Jesus did rise from the dead and do miracles than that some zealots were so crazy they'd die for a lie or mass hallucination. That would be my starting point, overall there are a lot more reasons, but I find it a lot more compelling than religious/cult leaders (Joseph Smith for example) who rake in wealth, power and multiple wives.

@typicool9083

5 ай бұрын

Before you argue that what they saw is real, you have to argue whether these people were real at all. Also the amount of mass deaths in cults and other related movements would argue your point of them not wanting to make such a lethal decision. In fact a less intelligent and older people are more likely to end up doing some like this I'd think. When you you think of characters in history that have done these extraordinary acts that end up recorded in history books and such why is their so almost no mention of these events and actions and people who took place.@@lukasg4807

@kennythelenny6819

2 ай бұрын

​@@lukasg4807Millions of Nazis died in the world wars. It must be that the Jews were really bad, otherwise they wouldn't sacrifice joining the military to help Hitler eradicate the bad Jews. /s

@janmes

Ай бұрын

@@lukasg4807people can do crazy things, and I tend to veer towards the side of theoretical possibility (in this case, mass hallucination or a historical obfustication of some sort) than an option purely conceived (Jesus rose from the dead)

@janmes

Ай бұрын

@@lukasg4807i can completely see where you’re coming from though, it just sounds a little to me like the last argument in the video

Typing "skepticism" is like playing ping pong on your keyboard

@kevynnf.6310

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know what to do with this vital and *VERY* useful piece of information -- But thanks anyway.

@pamplemoo

3 жыл бұрын

Damn you're right

@cdogthehedgehog6923

3 жыл бұрын

Skeptisicm Woah. Woah actually works too.

@Randomguy-rc1ei

3 жыл бұрын

Skepticism

@DeNNooo

3 жыл бұрын

God made our fingers to fit perfectly for keyboards so we can play ping pong by typing skepticism

S+ "It's written in the Bible"

@LEGO_GrandAdmiral

3 жыл бұрын

If I had a dollar for every time someone said “but the Bible says” in a science class

@kitchenjail3546

3 жыл бұрын

@@LEGO_GrandAdmiral if that happened to me, I would have no dollars. Because nobody in my school was that uneducated.

@bv7226

3 жыл бұрын

@@LEGO_GrandAdmiral Lmao what school did you go to.. that never happened in my science class

@yoshisaurusmunchakoopas7252

3 жыл бұрын

Me: So, why should I believe in God? My friend: Because it's written in the Bible!!! Me: But... My friend: And that means he exists!!! Me: ._.

@LEGO_GrandAdmiral

3 жыл бұрын

Barney arizona public schools are some of the worst in the country 😂

As a Muslim I like how respectful he is in his discussion.

@spicytee133

10 ай бұрын

See I'm a muslim too, but I'm leaning more towards atheism just because so much of Islam doesn't make sense. Islam is supposed to be a pretty accepting religion too, since most muslims believe that evolution exists. It's just that certain things like "humans were made from mud and clay" or "homosexuals are bad people" are just contradicting other things they say, especially since a big premise of Islam is that we are supposed to help people and be accepting of them no matter what their beliefs are.

@rawcopper604

10 ай бұрын

@@spicytee133 I'm not muslim, but that doesn;t disprove Islam, it just means the Quran isn't literally true

@spicytee133

10 ай бұрын

@@rawcopper604 yeah that’s pretty obvious, but I never mentioned anything disproving Islam, I just mean that it contradicts itself very the often. For example, it says that humans were created by god from mud and clay, but Islam also accepts that evolution exists. I know that humans weren’t made from mud and clay and that we did evolve from earlier hominidae, but that is just the most common thing that Muslims say to set people apart from animals. Please don’t act passive-aggressive towards me because I was born into Islam and I’ve lived most of my life believing the Quran. I’m on the same side you are. And it’s a bad idea to make generalizations about religions by saying things like “the Quran is wrong,” because it says things that are true too and agree with science. May I ask if you are an atheist or if you believe in some religion other than Islam?

@rawcopper604

10 ай бұрын

@@spicytee133 I am atheist, although I come from orthodox and catholic Christianity. The Qur'an says some things that are just wrong, like bone being formed before flesh when a baby is formed, and the things it says are mostly vague and unimpressive and could be interpreted in a million other ways. of course, one could say that this has some deeper meaning behind it and isn't literally true, so it really doesn't disprove anything.

@DGT_-mv5ju

9 ай бұрын

@@spicytee133 Evolution and the creation of humans don't contradict. Humans are a miracle rather than evolution whereas evolution still takes place for other animals.

I have always accepted the arguments against the existence of God and yet continued to believe in God because of the personal experience. A few years ago, however, I stopped feeling personal experience and today I am an atheist.

@militaryfriends

9 күн бұрын

spiritual death

@conradbulos6164

9 күн бұрын

So, bro. After achieving and reaching level 10, you decided to go down to 1 and work yourself up again?

@conradbulos6164

9 күн бұрын

So, as an avowed atheist, you are simply and actively denying the existence of God which does not necessarily mean that God does not exist ....but only objecrively true from your perspective in your present state of your critical and mental and faith level of development.

SSS Tier: "I am God"

@shamusson

4 жыл бұрын

Perfection.

@ErikAdalbertvanNagel

4 жыл бұрын

@@hitthemill8595 don't have to, you can just *_believe_* it.

@realwingedchaos

4 жыл бұрын

I'd just call that the "Pre-JiK Kanye Tier"

@tammo401

4 жыл бұрын

Kanye tier you mean

@MrBegmar

4 жыл бұрын

@@shamusson Prove it to yourself by taking psychedelics. It is subjective AF, but better than nothing.

I like how he'd describing each arguement like they''re videogame characters with different stats and special attacks lol

@The360MlgNoscoper

Жыл бұрын

Tier-Atheist

@Gabriel64468

Жыл бұрын

He is also continuously referring to a tier lost as something to rank powers. My guy people make fastfood tierlists and they aren't saying a Burger could beat fries in a fight

@georgepetrou501

Жыл бұрын

I feel like he is passively making fun of those arguements and its so funny lol

@chrisadamo1038

Жыл бұрын

U should watch the channel teir-zoo

@kellmalleus5825

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisadamo1038 Isn't... isn't Skeptic Tierzoo?

To put an add after he says ‘it goes like this’ is criminally funny I got a clash of clans add so the argument is supercell

This video is valuable for both atheists and theists. Great video

The list caps out at S-tier, because God-tier arguments don't exist.

@aeahaha9268

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

@welldonesir3996

3 жыл бұрын

Everything came from a Powerful external force. This “force” is titled God.

@tiagotakuceoofredacted8802

3 жыл бұрын

lul

@kimnasayao5549

3 жыл бұрын

i love this comment

@C4lmaria

3 жыл бұрын

God-tier would be god literally coming to earth and saying "Hey, guys, it's me, god. I exist. Glad to sort that out, bye 👋 "

“Thank god I’m an atheist” is S tier proof

@shadowofheaven3279

8 ай бұрын

ye

@AllenQB

8 ай бұрын

Thank who?

@JohnnySilvercock380

8 ай бұрын

Thank Darwin I’m alive! (im an atheist)

@smartestgirl

8 ай бұрын

💀 I'm an Atheist and use OMG/thank God so much

@ryallissonadao-et1mk

8 ай бұрын

@@JohnnySilvercock380 Darwin was agnostic.

I’m an Episcopalian and, while we are Christians that believe in the teachings of Jesus and the Bible, the culture of the church does not lend itself to hardcore evangelism. The nature of our teachings and practices encourage interpretation, questioning, and doubt in our faith and the Bible. For that reason, I’ve always struggled with the idea that MY God is the only correct answer. It’s a classic saying but I think everyone can be a little right even if different beliefs completely contradict each other. All this to say, I really appreciate your refutations to all the stated arguments, I am a strong believer that it’s really healthy to question your own beliefs and evaluate how you truly feel! The whole video I was waiting for the argument in the S tier because that is one of the reasons I believe science and faith can work in tandem, but hearing your refutation was a refreshing perspective ❤️ Thank you so much for your work to be respectful but make people reevaluate their views. I never leave long comments like this, but I just really wanted to express my support even as a theist. Great video!

@conradbulos6164

9 күн бұрын

Uh, viv, I suggest that you reevaluate your position and belief in the bible as a whole cuz you really need to discriminate and isolate those passages that on its face are unbiblical like those contained in Leviticus and Deuteronomy on some misbehavior and some teachings of Jesus that are so unJesusnlike and obviously put in his mouth by writers who want to put fear in their readers or listeners, falslely using the name of Jesus.

@conradbulos6164

9 күн бұрын

Cont....are you then calling yourself an Episcopalian theist or Christian theist which means worshipping God with your own unique forms of ritual and ceremony as a worshipping religious group more out of faith than a certainty about God's existenc

I found this video very informative. Thank you for sharing your opinions without forcing ideas on anyone viewing this video. It’s becoming harder to find videos talking about religious beliefs without feeling like I’m being guided to change my mind.

Best Atheist ever. Doesn't make fun of Christianity, and uses rational thinking to seek truth. Coming from a Christian.

@GermanShepherd2

Жыл бұрын

Most atheists don't make fun of Christianity, what are you on about?

@EclipseINF

Жыл бұрын

@@GermanShepherd2 well, certain atheists I've seen (on platforms other than youtube) seem to directly hate people in religions opposed to just not believing

@Shark-pj8in

Жыл бұрын

@@EclipseINF Yep a lot of Christian's hate atheists too and basically bully them. At least at what I've seen.

@zornstein_-9472

Жыл бұрын

@@GermanShepherd2 most ive seen have

@robertemerson1087

Жыл бұрын

@@zornstein_-9472 Well considering you believe in a religion that thinks people will burn forever for not believing I think people are entitled to poke fun from time to time, no inquisitions or holy crusades coming from Atheists so I think you’ll be fine.

I've always hated Pascal's Wager too, but for a different reason. Coming from a person who believes in God, I feel that if you only believe in God for the fear of what happens if you don't then it is ingenuine. I've always felt that many religious people make it way too black and white (as you stated) and simply saying you believe in God doesn't do anything.

@midwestnagyfa4648

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think this display of Pascal's Wager is accurate. It is meant for someone who is on the fence about faith or no faith. All else being the same, it would be better to practice faith than to not. Giving Pascal's Wager to anyone who has no intention to convert is worse than non-effective.

@jemand7488

2 жыл бұрын

That argument is the reason people are religious. The fear of what happens after death is the main reason religion was created and still exists

@zanzull

2 жыл бұрын

Also eternally burning in hell together with murders, rapists and pedophiles simply for not believing in the correct god seems rather harsh to me.

@skeptical7758

2 жыл бұрын

@@jemand7488 I disagree. Sure, it does offer some sense of security, but that is not the main reason why most (at least I) believe in God. I wouldn't call myself the most religious person, but God, or some form of it, seems like the most natural conclusion. And don't take this as me trying to push religion or anything, just stating that fear is not my reason for believing.

@skeptical7758

2 жыл бұрын

@@zanzull Yeah, I agree to a point. There is no way we could actually conceptualize Heaven and Hell or what it contains. So maybe there would be varying degrees of damnation or whatever. Maybe not. And many religions/denominations explore this such as Purgatory in Catholicism being a place for those who are good people but lack faith.

Thanks for an enjoyable and informative review of the world's favorite apologetics.

If people bring up the argument of chance, I will always bring up the game Hades now. One of the top speedrunners put out a video talking about how and why its hardest challenge would likely never be beaten (astronomically small chance of getting the exact right RNG in the exact right order). A week later it happened. If there's a chance of something happening, it *can* happen wothout a creator.

@arcticpangolin3090

9 ай бұрын

Another point with the argument from chance is to relate it to poker. A royal flush is the best hand in the game and has a 1/650,000 chance of being played, yet this has happened. And not only that but the chance of this combination of cards has the same exact probability as literally any other hand. Take the same deck and change any card and it’s still a 1/650,000 chance.

@plugshirt1762

4 ай бұрын

I mean in a way it goes beyond random chance though the very way the planets and stars orbits and chemical foundations are formed is so specific that it almost couldn’t have been pure chance. So either there was some kind of god that formulated everything or as some others have stated there is a multiverse where essentially everything that can happen does in a separate universe. That or there is some third option we discover that is even weirder than those

@seselis625

4 ай бұрын

@plugshirt1762 this argument fails in a few ways: 1) Given the vast number of astronomical bodies in all of space, it actually becomes pretty likely a viable setup would happen *somewhere.* 2) This configuration is just as unlikely as any other given arrangement. There's no reason to make any assumptions based on the mere fact that this is the one that happened. After all, *some* arrangement has to exist, assuming that the components exist. C) This argument carries an implicit assumption that the planet has to be this way to support us, when the far more likely scenario is that life grew to fit the configuration that existed. This MASSIVELY increases the probability of *something,* *somewhere* - meaning that it doesn't necessarily have to be *exactly* the conditions on our planet. Just a place that has a good mix of starting components. And since we know those starting components exist, and we know mechanisms by which they can grow to survive off what's around them, the foundational assumptions in this line of argument begin to fall apart.

I saw someone use the bible as an argument once: "the bible exists, so god is real!" Obviously i was baptised the next day, since this was all the evidence i needed to leave my atheïst ways

@letroll8954

3 жыл бұрын

Damn bruh, "the bible exists so god is real"? Say no more, I renounce agnostic pragmatism and will attempt become a priest posthaste

@realmart3451

3 жыл бұрын

Wait the bible is actually real? Amen checkmate atheists

@jakelabete7412

3 жыл бұрын

I'm getting baptized tomorrow.

@hat7475

3 жыл бұрын

Dang that means Batman is really to holy shit MOM-

@butterskywalker8785

3 жыл бұрын

@@letroll8954 but I also have a religious book,why aren't people recognizing me like that

My favorite version of Pascal’s wager is what if there’s a god who only sends atheists to heaven

@felipevasconcelos6736

3 жыл бұрын

If they say it doesn’t make sense, just tell them “God works in mysterious ways”.

@rokkraljkolesa9317

3 жыл бұрын

Darkmatter actually made a video titled "The greater insult" where his version of god took an islamic girl, a christian guy and an atheist guy, and asked if the other 2 wanted to switch with the atheist. Obviously, they said no, and the atheist was free to go.

@void7366

3 жыл бұрын

The skepticism in the video is so pithy and weak, as you may have already knew different sects in the religious sphere has their own concept of life after death, some do believe in a black or white (heaven or Hell) others believe they will be resurrected into other beings, some believe they will be stripped off conscioussness and become one with the universe, this guy uses big words but i promise you all of his arguments have grave deffects in them , he couldnt even refute the pascal's wager using his 'fallacy technique' nearly every atheist i met have something for this reasoning perspective unbeknownst to them, these systems were a human thought and atheist point of view is conducted by a 'moral relativism' which means that as an atheist you can use these fallacies to support your argument and you would be right and u can reject them and call them stupid, and you would still be right.

@void7366

3 жыл бұрын

@OLGaming dude literally, you're embarassing yourself, the wager is actually not an argument for God's existence 😂😂 have you ever read the oxford handbook of philosophy of religion? No? Literally it states that this is not an argument for God's existence such an argument requires evidence whether it was impirical or conceptual, this argument is to induce the belief in God or rather, make the belief in God a rational thing, don't get mad bro we're trying to have healthy discussions.

@fluffygreysocks6703

3 жыл бұрын

v o i d he’s fucking with u bro

This is an average 2AM random start page video, i like it

My personal refutation of the Teleological Argument is that the sense of "purpose" that things have and their interconnectedness is actually the product of things coming about in the only possible ways they can rather than them being designed to work in a cohesive way. If that makes sense at all lol

@KT-fh1ql

6 ай бұрын

I believe in some form of higher power. For me, a form of the teleological argument is the reason. There's never been a point in history where we could explain everything we observe. As long as there is more to observe in space and in time and in whatever other unknown curled-up dimensions we do not yet understand, there is more to explain. In my opinion it is OK to ascribe explanations for the unexplainable while they are unexplainable; some way to rationalize what we cannot. From what we understand about the advent of life and intelligence, and from a pure probability standpoint, it seems more likely than not that something with more intelligence than us exists within or outside our universe; suggesting otherwise seems anthropocentric. For me, anything more intelligent than humanity can be considered a higher power. The big bang resulted from a set of physical laws and particles with slightly differing localized densities that precipitated the events of our universe. Where did that set of laws and particles with differing localized densities come from? I think it is not unreasonable and is comforting for any intelligence - not just humans - to believe that came from something intelligent.

the SSS+ argument: im right, you’re wrong, la la la im not listening

@gizmodo3478

Жыл бұрын

SSSSS+ tier: If you don't believe in God, ur gae . Not a totally wrong statement too lol🤣

@impulsiveman5901

Жыл бұрын

Truly formidable

@Dookieman1975

Жыл бұрын

There’s just no winning, in fact there’s no point arguing

@afzerl2708

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately we have ban those word due to it can end any argument

@acompletelynormalhuman6392

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I've heard that more in political arguments than theistic

Being refuted by Homer Simpson is likely the greatest insult to any argument possible.

@LeDingueDeJeuxVideos

3 жыл бұрын

Yet I still find it better than most of the others...

@williamwatson4354

3 жыл бұрын

Its also the one that I personally agree with. The wager assumes the choice is between the true belief and not choosing it. But if you settle on a religion that God hates more than anything you're worse off.

@CteCrassus

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamwatson4354 I'll do you one better: What if God is an evil cthonian abomination like Cthulhu and such that, under normal circumstances, finds humans beneath notice but prayer and devotion attract its baleful attention? Since gods are, by definition, not subject to any rules *ANYTHING* is equally possible.

@jordancox6634

3 жыл бұрын

Juan Carlos Gonzalez while the raw belief of diety is that there are no rules there are actually religions that support the idea that god must abide by certain rules or else he would cease to be god. Just a little food for thought there.

@CteCrassus

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordancox6634 Sure, but those rules are entirely arbitrary. What I mean is that there's no hard-coded criteria to what constitutes a God apart from enormous power and, oftentimes, a hand in the creation and/or administration of one or more parts of the Universe.

I was raised Christian, but it took me until I was a teenager to truly realize that some people ACTUALLY believe in the cool magic man in the sky

@Arabtheworld

Ай бұрын

Believing in miracles depends on how much you believe in your religion,I don't blame you though it takes 2 braincells to figure out why Christianity is false

@miloszandzel

Ай бұрын

I fidured it out like a week before my communion 🤣

@yurplethepurple2064

9 күн бұрын

Well god is so much more than a magic man in the sky, you can see god as anything that you feel god is. All that is meaningful has god in it. Things in real life are holy and beautiful. If you don’t believe in god, that’s fine. But I do because I think the world is too beautiful to not have some connective tissue.

The teological argument has a simple explanation. The only universe where there would be people observing it is where all the constants are perfect. If they weren’t perfect, then there would be no one to see it.

@mubaraksenju7521

8 ай бұрын

how do you know it's perfect? it's probably not, as there is another worlds having different constants as our universe (considering we've seen so little, it's ignorant to say there's no other world) but it's made 'perfect' for us by of course, none other than God almighty himself.

@ogaboga6496

8 ай бұрын

The only problem is this only attempts to prove that the universe is perfect and not that god made it perfect

Pascals mugging: A: Give me your wallet B: No why A: Im god and you will get infinite torture in the afterlife B: but youre most likely not really god A: Infinite torture B: Ok makes sense, here is my wallet

@guitarpraise6035

2 жыл бұрын

‘God will send you wherever you wanna go.’

@craigstephenson7676

2 жыл бұрын

If you believed in Pascal’s wager wouldn’t you want to believe in the religion with the harshest punishments for non belief just so you get to avoid it? Your chance of choosing right are so small, just do some basic risk aversion and nullify your worst option

@jensw9128

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigstephenson7676 I think you solved it. Lets start a new religion 😁

@craigstephenson7676

2 жыл бұрын

@@jensw9128 nooo that would make the odds worse

@jeffbac1889

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigstephenson7676 Let's start a religion in wich the punishment for non belief is something like "being burned for an eternity while living your worst nightmare forever"

As a Christian, I just heard something very interesting from a preacher on Sunday. He said “You can’t prove God exists, but you also can’t prove that He doesn’t exist. That’s why believing in Him is called faith”. Believe, don’t believe. It’s all a choice that everyone should be allowed to make and others should just accept peacefully. Edit: This doesn’t mean you can’t defend your beliefs! You very much should. This just means you can’t force your beliefs on anyone; people will believe what they want to believe.

@peanutbutter4741

Жыл бұрын

ur so right! i personally don't believe. many people do/don't, but that doesn't mean that any of them are wrong.

@arcticpangolin3090

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but in the context of a debate or discussion on this topic that is called shifting the burden of proof and it’s a fallacy. Theists make a positive claim and thus have the onus to prove it, it’s not on others to disprove the claim.

@marknieuweboer8099

Жыл бұрын

How does that preacher know we can't (dis)prove that? Quite a claim, it needs to be proven .....

@peanutbutter4741

Жыл бұрын

@@arcticpangolin3090 waaaiit omg that's smart, you're so right

@ExpertzZ

Жыл бұрын

@@arcticpangolin3090 a positive claim does not result in responsibility to prove. It is rather that the person that makes a claim that deviates from the most people has to prove his claim. If everyone sees blue and you are the only one that sees red, you have to prove your argument, what automatically is verified by all the other people that see also blue.

The personal experience argument can be offered with equal force by an atheist. Consider, "I was a Jew in Auschwitz and God failed to so much as comfort me, never mind intervene" "I'm a child with chronic health problems and little or no quality of life" "Hurricane Katerina just killed my entire family and destroyed everything I own" Any one of these people's experiences could lead to the natural conclusion that either God didn't exist, was indifferent or was malevolent.

@archiewall124

7 ай бұрын

That’s the whole point of the personal experience argument. It’s personal. It doesn’t prove the existence of God to everyone, just that person. This is ultimately what God is about, it’s a personal decision, a personal relationship. That’s why the argument is quite compelling on both sides.

Ranking the best arguments for "God" is like ranking which hand grenade tastes best.

@dback50

4 ай бұрын

“Haha the spicy avocado tastes like metal- 💥💥💥” - famous last words

My own personal favorite: The creation of the universe was a thing that was done If a thing is done, no one does it like Gaston No one creates the universe like Gaston Gaston created the universe.

@akiamendoza8859

4 жыл бұрын

Infinity S tier

@dirtywhitellama

4 жыл бұрын

You've convinced me.

@AntonDiwa

4 жыл бұрын

you should have continued the song!

@herlocksholmes-uv5qw

4 жыл бұрын

I'm Gastonian now

@misuvittupaa8068

4 жыл бұрын

I am Gaston

I would object to Pascal's Wager being classified as an argument for God's existence. It is an argument for why you should worship a God, not if one actually exists.

@yoursonisold8743

4 жыл бұрын

One implies the other. Unless you are saying you should worship something that doesn't exist, when the logic behind it is that you worship it on the chance that one does.

@BlacksmithTWD

4 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Ritchie The thing is, pascals wager is valid but not conclusive. Hence to make a conclusive argument one can't rely on pascals wager only.

@icanfartloud

4 жыл бұрын

And yet bozos including this vids star are Incapable of comprehending that obvious oversight, ironic that some won't recognize the fact that misunderstanding arguments make it impossible to point out said arguments flaws

@BlacksmithTWD

4 жыл бұрын

@@icanfartloud Could you elaborate on that by providing an example of what you are referring to?

@dirkmaes3786

4 жыл бұрын

Worship literally means expressing your belief in a deity and is really a ritual of submission. You can't worship a God that you don't accept as real - or in other words: "God doesn't make deals". It's all or nothing - so the "argument" is that God supersedes all logic and you should believe in him no matter what.

This provides excellent food for thought! Admittedly I'm less into the logic sort of stuff now, 'ultimate truth'/truths, more the "workability" of the possible options on deity, spirituality, mind, religion, culture in general. Even if I do love logic while being fallible to fallacy, & am more aware of my emotionalness & reactiveness now!

@rexmacquaidthe3rd

7 ай бұрын

"I'm less into the logic" Atheists and Agnostics: "And i took that personally. It did became a personal offense at that point."

I love what you’ve done here Drew. Well done.

Damn. That hurt.

@margotklein2331

4 жыл бұрын

God y’all ever thought about how this man is a boomer

@salem7276

4 жыл бұрын

@@margotklein2331 the original boomer

@ProjectAndros

4 жыл бұрын

Well, its not that you DON'T exist... its that You have to PROVE You DO. And Allah has more followers on Twitter-um-sorry.

@seb5542

4 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectAndros Fuck Allah. He still hasn't given my phone charger back.

@MrZeldafan125

4 жыл бұрын

Ayyy God, when i die, i want new game plus. Kay homie?

“If god doesn’t exist, then how did Jesus walk on water?”

@dirtjar6332

4 жыл бұрын

Damn bruh aight you got me there

@mattz6752

4 жыл бұрын

Dovahgatr then how did he walk on water?

@uselesshero.official

4 жыл бұрын

He could have had supernatural powers! Which is not the direct evidence of God's existence!

@mattz6752

4 жыл бұрын

Useless Hero then how did god exist?

@uselesshero.official

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattz6752 huh?! Wdym? How did he exist?

Christian here! This is the single most respectful video from an atheist regarding theism I have ever encountered. All that you said made sense and was well articulated. Great video!

@jadon3416

4 ай бұрын

Hey man, i’m a christian who’s currently seeking truth outside of feeling. I’m opening myself up to unbiased logic as to what worldview is true. I’d like to ask if you have any unbiased reasons in which you believe in christianity?

@DUDEBroHey

3 ай бұрын

​@@jadon3416he researched the Waco Texas Massacre and concluded if objective evil exists then surely objective good must exist.

@Stevewilldoit96

3 ай бұрын

@@jadon3416Search Unmoved Mover theory, Aristotle discovered there was a monotheistic God 3000 years ago.

@jadon3416

3 ай бұрын

@@Stevewilldoit96i’ve heard it, it’s definitely great but what does that prove for a any specific God?

@jadon3416

3 ай бұрын

religion*

Pascal's wager is basically a threat against the athiest that they will burn forever. How can we respect that?

@richardkeck4918

6 ай бұрын

It’s not a threat it’s a warning

@user-so2mj8cj1e

6 ай бұрын

@richardkeck4918 Christianity threatens people with permanent torture or else. If you did that outside of religion you'd go to prison.

@richardkeck4918

6 ай бұрын

@@user-so2mj8cj1e i don’t get how it threatens anything, hell is defined by a place separated from god, and if you decide to not live with god in your life, he respects your decision and lets you not live with him for eternity

@user-so2mj8cj1e

6 ай бұрын

@richardkeck4918 he damns you to hell for eternal torture. Which is what I was told and have read since I was 5. From an outside perspective your religion goes around threatening people with eternal torture if they don't join the cult. Yes, all religions are cults. I see you the same way just without the scary outfits like in movies. From the outside as a non-believer, you're torturers, of children even, grooming them to believe in lies at threat. Threatening to get what you want. Taking what you want at threat of permanent agony to bow, listen and love something that isn't real. This ISN'T NORMAL, it's a sickness. An idea that becomes an "idea infection" that becomes an obsession.

@sor8104

6 ай бұрын

@@user-so2mj8cj1e the road threatens you with permanent death if you take 1 wrong step. Therefore roads shouldnt be a thing, Because you decide you want to step in the smooth road instead of staying out of it on the muddy sidewalk? this is the same reasoning you have.

-z tier: The Bible said god exists God wrote the Bible God says god exists

@colombianpanda8896

4 жыл бұрын

People who witnessed were the ones who wrote the Bible

@loganleatherman7647

4 жыл бұрын

Luke didn’t witness anything. He was a doctor. There were no doctor’s in Jesus’s supposed circle.

@biteme9869

4 жыл бұрын

@Logan Leatherman what are you to say does not make any sense to me in the slightest. No because I’m stupid but because whatever you said makes no sense to anyone.

@pepinillorick5741

4 жыл бұрын

SOMEHOW way more eficient argument that everything else mention in this video... (and it is z tier)

@angelmendez-rivera351

4 жыл бұрын

Coolkidnow100 GAMING AND MORE! It makes perfect sense. Besides, if you were stupid, you would not know it.

I considered myself Christian until senior year of high school, but I had been questioning my beliefs for several years prior. I spent the next 7 years after high school considering myself an atheist, which brought on constant challenges to my beliefs and pleas to "return to God" from my family. 2 years ago, I finally found spiritual peace. That was when I finally acknowledged that I simply don't know. The creation of the universe could've been random occurrence. It could've been created by a god. Hell, we could be the science project of a higher dimensional being in a universe sized petri dish. I'm okay with not knowing. My parents have finally given up trying to convince me of my ignorance, so we're able to have meaningful discussions about life, religion and politics without them looking down on me. When I was atheist, I was convinced that religion was evil, causing so many of the world's problems. I now recognize that evil people will always find ways to justify their actions. Religion isn't inherently evil just because it's been used to justify evil. I'm now able to recognize that many of my atheist views were just as irrational as my Christian views. If there's anything to be learned from this, it's that no matter your ideology, arrogance leads to ignorance.

@usm1le

Жыл бұрын

That is so true. It just comes down to what you feel comfortable because you can't know if God exists or not.

@czjns

Жыл бұрын

great comment

@marco0445

Жыл бұрын

I really feel this comment

@smhmyhead9184

Жыл бұрын

you sound like an agnostic, which I am too! the most logical answer to "does God exist" isn't "yes" or "no", it's "we can't know that"

@Awesomeness4627

Жыл бұрын

Uncertainty is uncomfortable. Absolute Certainty is ridiculous

S: Egyptian pantheon has furries A: B: C: D: Admitting God of gaps F: personal witness, The Ontological argument, The Cosmological argument, The Teleological argument, The Moral argument, Pascal's wager, argument from incredulity, argument from ignorance, argument from authority.

@bigbuba5212

8 ай бұрын

Oh shit they got furries?! Dang I might become theist

Great video! I would argue a few things. I agree that Pascal's wager isn't good in itself, but more so when theism has a slight edge in someones worldview. The other that I would comment on is the personal experience argument. If you dig down deep enough everyone will have a personal reason for believing or not believing in something. Rationality and science can take you a certain way in either path, but in the end it's personal belief that makes you either a theist (not just Christian) or an atheist.

@arcticpangolin3090

8 ай бұрын

Except that this “edge” only exists if you buy into the false dichotomy. What about a god which only grants heaven to those who aren’t religious for example? The personal belief argument isn’t about the general reasons an individual may or may not believe but rather about a specific supposedly spiritual experience.

What if every religion's god actually exist, and are just competing with each other for followers like the Earth is their social media platform or something 🤔

@PenguinArmy413

3 жыл бұрын

I think that's the plot of American Gods

@runtergerutscht4401

3 жыл бұрын

Well that's a concept that was sort of explored by riordan as well, where the relevancy of gods on the mortal world seems to be related to people having faith in them and needing and praying to them, he also implies that science works because humans believe it does

@dominionbeats

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, the three major religions (Christianity/Islam/Judaism) all worship the same God. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

@runtergerutscht4401

3 жыл бұрын

@@dominionbeats but they hate each other... Imagine being a god and all major factions of your followers want you to help them kill each other. The worst kind of interest conflict

@runtergerutscht4401

3 жыл бұрын

@ז5.אדם ג'ורנו its basically the same god, there are minor differences between islam and christianity (like the names) but its mostly quite similar, from what I know. I don't really know about the jewish god but these three religions are very related so I guess it would make sense for their gods to be similar. Isnt Jesus the son of god in christianity as well? I mean sure hes also god but why let being your own father stop you?

I’m an atheist. The only good argument for believing in god (not necessarily for arguing the existence of god) that I’ve ever heard is that without any practical implications, you might as well believe what makes you happier/what comforts you. The idea of god does that for a lot of people.

@user-mt5zl4rp5h

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah an idea of some higher up power being is nessesary for some people. Im also an atheist, if there was a one true god then why or thousands or millions of years since humans have been alive and able to think why has the idea of whivh god is real changed so many times. At one point alot of people beleived in Odin and those other gods and at another point believed in Zues and those gods. Why if there is one true god why would he allow people for thousands of years to worship false gods then and only thoysands and thousands years later sends down Jesus christ to tell everyone christian god is the real god. None of that makes sense, but people having wild imaginations and making shit up snd passing it down thru generations does make sense until someone else decides om a different view and then start passing that ideology down

@pandemonium2536

2 жыл бұрын

The real issue with trying to prove or disprove anything is that we're almost certainly wrong, believe in science or believe in scripture both have obvious flaws. Look back through history, how many times have we been wrong about what we thought were hard facts? The people 2000 years from now will probably look back at us the same way we look back at people who believed that the earth was flat and say "Can you believe these idiots thought that gravity was just something that big enough objects had? It was always obvious that the center of the planet was filled with flesh magnets" or some shit then the people 2000 years from them will do the same. We're all just guessing till we're dead and can learn first hand what comes after, so bet on whatever you want, whatever makes ya feel nice and warm and fuzzy inside is the best option. Or ya can actively choose to believe something that depresses the fuck outta ya, won't change that no matter what you choose you're still probably wrong.

@ryankramer913

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! My opinion is that I don’t care about what anyone believes, just whatever makes you happy or gives you closure. As long as you don’t force it upon others.

@Baconcatboy

2 жыл бұрын

The reason I have chose to be religious is how my prayers have been answered. And i have saw things

@samuelking4723

2 жыл бұрын

@@Baconcatboy 1. You only remember the prayers that came true (and would have come true even if you didn’t pray them) 2. Everything you’ve seen can be explained rationally without invoking a higher piwer

1. Pascal's wager - you mentioned that the argument becomes baseless because many religions use it at the same time. I can't speak for others, nor can I speak for my own religion but in my Islamic view, believing is God but not Islam is far better than believing in no God. 2. Kalam Cosmological Argument - it doesn't really matter whether the big bang is the start of the universe or not. Boil the argument some more and you will get to "Whatever the first thing, whatever led to the creation of the unviverse whether directly or through a chain of causes is God". But I do agree that it doesn't tell us about "the nautre of that cause" and that's where is it upto a person to take a leap of faith and believe in a God or not make a leap of faith to believe in a God. 3. Objective Moral Values - there is no such thing as "objective moral value". Pretty much any moral value for which you'd think "this is objective, surely no one can argue against this moral value" would not stand if you looked at humans societies across times. As a thiest, I think this bad argument to make for the existence of God. 4. Personal experience - Though personal experiences can be "hallucinations, manic states, mediative or trance states, psychosis" and this can be supported by science, it doesn't mean anything. Let's say God exists, and he created the universe, at the end of the day it is his science. In a universe where God exists, God and science don't need to be mutually exclusive. We don't need to have "If science can prove it, God doesn't exist" 5. Fine tuning argument - saying "there could perhaps be some purely physical rule to the universe that demands that these constants be the way they are" changes the statement from "God is governing these constants" to "there is something governing these constants". The point about "purely physical rule" doesn't make the original argument weaker or stronger, it just changes the God to "something" and again that's where is it upto a person to take a leap of faith to believe in God or not. My view as a Muslim Physics graduate is that there is no argument or evidence that can prove God's existence. God has created us to see who would believe and who will not believe in him. If there was a piece of evidience that could irrefutably prove God's existence then there would be no point since everyone would become a believer. A thiest cannot prove God just as much as an athiest cannot disprove God. At the end of the day, is is upto every individual to decide whether they want to make a leap of faith into believing God.

@jameswood5357

2 ай бұрын

I am asking this sincerely, your comment was respectful and I don't want to start a flame war. As a Muslim, how do you reconcile the Islamic/Abrahamic idea of god being perfect/all-good with morality being subjective? If morality is subjective, then God can't be omni-benevolent, just omni-benevolent in some people's opinions, which goes against the vast majority of Abrahamic religion. I am an atheist who believes in objective morality if it matters.

Personally I find the idea of a purpose terrifying and find the thought of being insignificant and of no real importance much more comforting because no matter how much I screw up, at the end of the day, nothing really matters, just enjoy what little time you have and stop worrying about what might happen after as that just makes your life even shorter

@conradbulos6164

9 күн бұрын

Uh, blu, what's so bad about a purpose like Jesus saying to you, "I have come that you might life and have it abundantly" No conditions or limitations. Just appreciate life and enjoy it to fullest! No should or shouldnt! It's not really the length of time that matters but the quality of time that makes it worthwhile!

@blu8009

8 күн бұрын

@@conradbulos6164 Because that means that my actions have an impact on the entirety of the universe from the moment I'm born, which makes me overthink every single thing I do and causes me so much pain, but it works for some people and that's fine, it just doesn't for me (also I find it extremely hard to believe that someone who died over 2000 years ago and then supposedly revived is still alive)

The way I see it, Pascal's Wager isn't designed to convert new believers to a faith, but rather to keep the current believers from leaving.

@rostovth3220

Жыл бұрын

Bro I was literally just playing that before I watched this video...

@billcipher8645

Жыл бұрын

That was my last stage before completely going atheist. Can confirm

@jlee902

Жыл бұрын

@Bill Cipher same for me. Then I realized if God was real and could read my thoughts, he'd know I'd think he was evil. There would be no point in me worshipping him since i'd go to hell anyways.

@tonyschumacher-jones1540

Жыл бұрын

Pascals Wager is effectively illogical. First, you can’t make yourself believe. You can’t force yourself to love someone, to like someone, to believe in someone you previously didn’t regard in this way. You can act it out, but that in itself is deceiving and in a sense acting to deceive - whether for a God or a partner - is despicable behaviour. Second, a God will know your are pretending to believe. They will see through it, obviously, and trying to manipulate or lie to a God is not only pointless but impossible. God, if you recall, doesn’t want acquiescence he wants love. It’s an impossible wager.

@shawnanderson4496

Жыл бұрын

Pascal's Wager argument is very mid. It defeats the purpose of having faith. Faith is not merely a fear of hell; it is a deeming attitude towards life. Faith is honest and transparent.

where is the S+ argument "CaN yOu SeE tHe AiR?!?"

@leannemiron

3 жыл бұрын

bold of you to equate "S+" with "F-"

@Kaiwizz

3 жыл бұрын

you have never seen your brain, does that mean your brain does not exist?? don't tell me you are just convinced by looking at other people's brains, that just proves that they had a brain, doesn't mean you have one too !!!

@betterbelle29

3 жыл бұрын

My religion teacher in high school used something similar. "Can you see atoms?" I just looked at her: "No, but there are machines that can detect them" (and now we can actually see them, sorta) She just gave up right there. I still consider her to be a fantastic religion teacher. She never once graded me badly for being an atheist and I respect that.

@MrSwag-zv3pg

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, yea, that's why the sky is blue.

@Cathee.M.

3 жыл бұрын

We have the technology to detect and observe oxygen and nitrogen molecules that constitute the air. We can't see emotions either (another favourite argument), but we can observe the hormonal and electrical activity across synapses that is responsible for them. This type of argument is dead as a doornail. God fills the gaps created by our own ignorance. Because there will probably never be a time when we understand everything about the Universe, there will always be room for God. And as such, fighting against religion makes no sense. What does make sense is focusing on widespread, honest, unbiased education and development of critical thinking, and giving people the freedom to decide for themselves what - if anything - they want to believe. Religious upbringing is also not a bad thing, as long as the child has access to all the things I mentioned above and is allowed to choose, once they are old enough, what they want to do with their life without fear of ostracism or discrimination. One thing I'm sure of is that stigmatising people one way or the other won't get us anywhere.

The virgin "YOU WILL GO TO HELL IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!" vs the Chad "It was revealed to me in a dream.".

Interesting I love how your rating about those arguments was like you where talking about CoD Builds

Pascal's wager isn't even an argument for God's existence, it's an argument that you should believe in God.

@keohi2539

2 жыл бұрын

it's also an argument that you should believe in every infinite possibility

@sieni221

2 жыл бұрын

@@keohi2539 but u can just view the infinite of deitys as one bigger deity.

@keohi2539

2 жыл бұрын

@@sieni221 I’m not talking about just deities I’m talking about any possible scenario where if you don’t believe in something it will result in a negative consequence (eg: not believing in unicorns will cause aliens to abduct you and then kill you so you better start believing in unicorns to avoid this)

@Jordan-th3pr

2 жыл бұрын

@@keohi2539 the argument is more like "you don't believe in poisonous snakes and therefore you must know to avoid getting bitten by a poisonous snake"

@keohi2539

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-th3pr but we know poisonous snakes exist so it’s not really a wager

God tier: "Have you ever seen a tree without a tree builder?"

@pondboy3682

4 жыл бұрын

That argument is nuts! Get it?

@definitelynotcole

4 жыл бұрын

That is definitely rooted in reality. 😏

@toprak3479

4 жыл бұрын

God tier argument: Quran/Bible/my sketchbook/Necronomicon/etc. predicted __________

@maxwellsimon4538

4 жыл бұрын

“If you take a walk in the forest, and see a painting nailed to a tree, then someone must have invented the tree”

@emlun

4 жыл бұрын

Java programmer here. No, I haven't.

I find it very hard to believe that anyone actually believes in god in this day and age… I think most people who believe in god only use it as a way to assure loved ones are in a heaven or are too scared to admit that there’s nothing

@wondermnutsmcity638

5 ай бұрын

What about in the existence of Jesus? And his sacrifice on Calvary

@arcticpangolin3090

5 ай бұрын

@@wondermnutsmcity638 A man existing isn’t proof of a god. People exist and people die all the time, it’s not a significant point even if you accept it.

@yesmeanshhsofficial

5 ай бұрын

I have proof of god existence, this argument i made was the best and will make someone automatically believe I have one, but its a country story, its from indonesia. I have deepdived searching miracles in indonesia, i have found people who is invincible to bullets, lieutenant komarudin (Was a hero of indonesia country and has max level invincibility making him invincible to physical damage he was getting raining bullets yet he still survived and it is hisotry between indonesia getting colonized by netherland) was the one is invincible to bullets, also more proof there is a video where a man is invincible to bullets, he used a ring that possibly is cursed and gave him invincibility, and also a man demonstrating his "invincible knowledge" as he shoots his hand with a metal bullet and does not pierce through his hand, only leaves a scar. The indonesian people knows what level the knowledge of invincibility, Level 1 is where you are invincible to a sword, Level 2 is where you are invincible to, i think damage of sharpest swords, Level 3 is invincibility bullets, max level is invincibility to physical damage There is also ghosts that has level, usually in america, all of them is not strong enough to project themself and show their body, a ghost has ghost energy, a spirit is usually weaker than a real ghost. If you want to see ghosts, visit the ghost park thing on indonesian, you can see real ghosts (Which isnt supposedly to exist) like kuntilanak which is a ghost that can show themselves, has enough strong energy probability to possess. This country might prove god existence, if you can travel to indonesia and learn their language go to a ghost park, meet with experts that has seen ghosts. America doesnt have ghosts at all, it manifested into indonesia. This is my prove for god existence, i hope you visit the country i suggested to find god's creation (ghost) that humans dont think exists. Proof video of man shoting himself with metal bullet: kzread.infoT1OhocPUN7g?feature=shared Proof video news of channel trans7 which is a channel of indonesian broadcast. This also was old and no, this does not use bad camera. Indonesian people back then watched it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hGRlxth-ls_Mepc.htmlfeature=shared I hope you visit indonesia, it's country of supernaturality existing, which is impossible for you to comprehend, just try visiting instead and learn their language. Will make you believe god existence after visiting

@yesmeanshhsofficial

5 ай бұрын

@@arcticpangolin3090 I have proof of god existence, this argument i made was the best and will make someone automatically believe I have one, but its a country story, its from indonesia. I have deepdived searching miracles in indonesia, i have found people who is invincible to bullets, lieutenant komarudin (Was a hero of indonesia country and has max level invincibility making him invincible to physical damage he was getting raining bullets yet he still survived and it is hisotry between indonesia getting colonized by netherland) was the one is invincible to bullets, also more proof there is a video where a man is invincible to bullets, he used a ring that possibly is cursed and gave him invincibility, and also a man demonstrating his "invincible knowledge" as he shoots his hand with a metal bullet and does not pierce through his hand, only leaves a scar. The indonesian people knows what level the knowledge of invincibility, Level 1 is where you are invincible to a sword, Level 2 is where you are invincible to, i think damage of sharpest swords, Level 3 is invincibility bullets, max level is invincibility to physical damage There is also ghosts that has level, usually in america, all of them is not strong enough to project themself and show their body, a ghost has ghost energy, a spirit is usually weaker than a real ghost. If you want to see ghosts, visit the ghost park thing on indonesian, you can see real ghosts (Which isnt supposedly to exist) like kuntilanak which is a ghost that can show themselves, has enough strong energy probability to possess. This country might prove god existence, if you can travel to indonesia and learn their language go to a ghost park, meet with experts that has seen ghosts. America doesnt have ghosts at all, it manifested into indonesia. This is my prove for god existence, i hope you visit the country i suggested to find god's creation (ghost) that humans dont think exists. Proof video of man shoting himself with metal bullet: kzread.infoT1OhocPUN7g?feature=shared Proof video news of channel trans7 which is a channel of indonesian broadcast. This also was old and no, this does not use bad camera. Indonesian people back then watched it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hGRlxth-ls_Mepc.htmlfeature=shared I hope you visit indonesia, it's country of supernaturality existing, which is impossible for you to comprehend, just try visiting instead and learn their language. Will make you believe god existence after visiting

We often tackle this concept from our senses. But if we limited our senses, we wouldn't be able to give an definitive answer. For example, if you're blind and not knowing what a dragon fruit is. You might touch around, smell it, tap on it but you don't know what's color it is. So the same problem with tackling the idea of God. Most of people and myself a few years ago wrestle with the idea of God's existence from observable senses: sight, touch, smell and listen, etc. but human are more capable. We forgot to look inward into our soul: why are you feeling emptiness, why are you feeling there is no purpose, why do bad things happens, why i can't overcome bad habits, and so on. It deals more with relationship with ourselves and others. When our lives is good, we forget about God (even with Christian). So when you face the disaster and difficulty and suffering (everyone will just a matter of when), you will either think it critically or move on with your life. Find the Truth and the Truth will set you free. Free from what? Free from loneliness, emptiness, hatred, jealousness, self-pity. This is not a debate to win anyone over to Christ, God of the universe can handle Himself. But rather explore the human mind/psyche capability to beyond. One will hardly hear a whisper on a loudsy street. Try to find God when 99.95% of the time busying making money, and pursuit self-pleasure whether it's watching shows, drug, sex, videogame, sport, etc. and etc. When the tiny device keep beeping for notifications ramping up dopamine high and FOMO anxiety set in. Mental problem is on the rise, but people doing to themselves.

@Bojan12

3 ай бұрын

You are wise one indeed and it is true the answer is within us in our deepest part of our beings the spirit. That is where connection to God lays and it operates on faith because it is supernatural

There is a God bc without God there'd be no devil and there's no way Legos hurt that much when u stand on them

@overlordb1989

3 жыл бұрын

Checkmate, Atheists.

@selenea.720

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for converting me I now see the true way

@tylerb9838

3 жыл бұрын

Testify

@RandyKaplanMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Tom Waits wrote, "There ain't no Devil; it's just God when He's drunk."

@Rodrigo-kq3js

3 жыл бұрын

i was an atheist until i read this comment

As a theist, I respect the fact that you are willing to examine contrary world views rather than building yourself within the walls of an echo chamber as so many theists do

@user-jt5vi8cm1m

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you too

@HarmzConscious

2 жыл бұрын

Ofc God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking there’s no such things as divine powers in this universe but in reality the universe goes way deeper than you think. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world and the universe is just responding. I had to made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏

@euno17

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarmzConscious You just asserted like 6 things without evidence. One of the more frustrating things that Theists do. How exactly do theists keep thinking that such random assertions without evidence would somehow be convincing? Oh some guy on KZread randomly said things like 'God is real' and 'the Universe goes way deeper than you think!' Harmz you really think you have some brilliant argument here?! I'll try to use your amazing logic against you! Invisible Dragons are real and pixel fairies and their energies are real. Theists are just people brainwashed by God delusions, brainwashed by the Religious system into thinking there are things like the divine powers. See how useless that is? Asserting things without evidence can be just as easily dismissed without evidence.

@billmagundie6866

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarmzConscious I don't think you know what energy means mate.

@medexamtoolsdotcom

2 жыл бұрын

It's hardly a trait of just "many theists", that tendency has nothing to do with theism. It's a characteristic of humans in general. I keep seeing atheist videos with snarky comments from atheists that go too far too, like I saw a video about some elective course in Oklahoma in public school which proposed to study the bible as literature not as science, and the comments were filled by atheists saying things like "will the course be studying all the myths of every other religion too?" and they all were just agreeing with each other and it never even occurred to them that it might not be totally unacceptable, while my reaction was "what, do we also need to study every love story ever written when we cover Romeo and Juliet? Isn't it commonplace to study the ancient greek myths as literature? And when I was in high school, we also read the Iliad, which is filled with ancient greek stuff, and also Gilgamesh, which is ancient babylonian mythology." And then of course you go to political topics and they are VERY recalcitrant, being atheist unfortunately has a very high correlation with being on the hard left, and that means alignment with things like feminism, and there's no one more thickheaded and unwilling to consider reason than a feminist. It's unfortunately the case that almost everyone believes in stupid stuff for bad reasons, it's just they don't all agree on which stupid stuff to believe in.

Also, about Pascal's Wager : God is supposed to be omniscient, wich means he knows and sees all, so if one believe in him out of selfishness just so they can go to heaven, God would know they're hypocrits and not allow them.

SSSSSSSSS+ Tier: If you don't believe in God then you have the big gay.

@NAJXVI

4 жыл бұрын

This man just ended atheism...

@rosaliewalford8020

4 жыл бұрын

EnayjayXVI not yet

@Callmestev

4 жыл бұрын

Or small pp

@angelashiflet6153

4 жыл бұрын

@@spartanajax1831 ooooooh u gay

@spartanajax1831

4 жыл бұрын

@@angelashiflet6153 Tell that to your mom, sir.

I personally would have put personal experience in B Tier, the Moral argument in C Tier and the Teleological Argument in A. In S Tier, the "We are your parents and you do as we say." argument is honestly the indisputably most broken argument there is.

@snails6997

Жыл бұрын

I second this one. Considering the number of K/D/A ratio. This one is highly effective even if it sound really stupid. Majority case, the victims fall to this tool deployment with great effect. Literally spawn camping them poor souls.

@omanoma5278

Жыл бұрын

the parents one is SSS+ tier there's really no point in arguing

@nickcarballo6039

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I'd put the church sermons "burn in hell for non believers and sinners" in s tier. Special ability is "Religious trauma"- ensures the person arguing back tracks in fear as they flashback to thoughts of "I don't want to go to hell"

@joseaugustosoriano5094

Жыл бұрын

The only way to get rid of this is to have your own house and work, which depending on your situation can be quite complicated...

@nickcarballo6039

Жыл бұрын

@@joseaugustosoriano5094 unfortunately alot of parents encourage their kids to succeed but don't set them up for it. For example parents will tell they're kids to go to college but won't offer any advice, extra curriculars, connections etc. But all I ever heard was go to school and be something. Okay but be what ? And how ? Then when my school debt was getting high and I was flunking and wanted to take a semester to focus on paying it off I was met with ridicule. Now I have a mountain of debt and no decent job because my financial aid wouldn't pay for a third retake of one of my courses. Regardless of this my parents still try to convince me to go back to school because "they're erasing school debt" yet every time I try I find out I don't qualify. Don't force your kids to go to college help them get ready for it too and teach them that unfortunately once you turn 18 money becomes more important than school until you get a car and enough for a place to live.

Nice name drop on Tier Zoo. I didn't even see what you were doing until you dropped it. Lol But yes I agree with the placement of all listed here.

Here is what I want to say against the teleological argument/fine-tuning: what if the universe has tried billions of times to form itself out of chance but couldn't do it because of how unlikely it is? Maybe there were cases the universe only got to create stars, but then stopped there. But after many tries, chance makes it so that at one point it's GOING TO happen. At one point the universe was gonna create complex planets. But also, who are you to say this universe is perfect? Religious people say everything is too perfect or complex to have been created by chance. But you have to realize that it's only perfect and complex to YOUR mind. Maybe in reality our universe is just completely new. We don't have any other universes to compare ours to. We were born here so we don't think outside of the box. Also, randomness and chance can definitely create a world like this, especially after an extremely long time and billions of billions of tries. If you had a dice with 49 sides with the number 4 and 1 side with the number 2, you'd obviously get the number 4 more often. But throwing the dice a billion times and NEVER getting the number 2 is less likely to happen than getting it millions of times. People who don't believe in chance making our world have never looked into probabilities. If you have infinite possibilities with all the time in the world, at one point you will get the possibility you wish for. This also explains coincidences, and I recently found out there are people who don't believe in them. Coincidences are just coincidences, not miracles. They're probabilities.

@marknieuweboer8099

8 ай бұрын

A theist can answer that a creator god used the process you describe to create our Universe. That's the real problem: the Teleological Argument assumes a purpose to conclude a purpose.

I don't even think of Pascal's Wager as an argument for God's existence, but rather as an existential dilemma.

@lunarash5755

2 жыл бұрын

Wow ok

@jonahj9519

2 жыл бұрын

Well that’s why it’s in f tier. People use it as an argument for God, when it’s hardly even designed for that.

@shoemakerx0105

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonahj9519 I agree, it's more for people who have a sense that a god does exist, like agnostics or even people of other religions. It's just not complex enough to make an atheist mind rethink their beliefs Edit: Although it is still somewhat effective against agnostics and people of other religions, so I think it should at least be c tier, not every argument is aimed at atheists.

@cyberneticbutterfly8506

2 жыл бұрын

​@@shoemakerx0105 Agnostic and atheist are category errors. [as you used here] If you think about it it's not really possible to make any judgement with 100% confidence but even so you still choose to live, feel and think as one of the two options. Even an agnostic who insists that he is agnostic either lives his life praising jesus and praying to god in his thoughts the way christians do or he doesn't do that. If he doesn't do that he's an atheist. He might not be a *confident* atheist but the category spesifically includes all individuals who are definable as "not theist". Similarly a christian who doesn't profess absolute certainty is an agnostic theist but saying that adds nothing since it's nothing special about a christian that doesn't have 100% certainty if he lives life praying to god, thinking that there is someone listening on the other end. The razor thin line in the absolute center doesn't exist cause the human mind doesn't oscillate between two different states that often. The pendulum might swing a few times during a lifetime no more and then settles on a side or the other.

@shoemakerx0105

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 as a Christian with really confusing views, I completely agree with you. Although I think it's more common for religious people to 100% fully believe there is a divine entity. I personally question the specific nature of God, but it's hard for me to imagine reality without a creator of some sort or another.

I love how he describs arguments like a magic/ yugioh card special effect.

@jpomsa

2 жыл бұрын

Fallacies are like spell/trap card effects 😂, I think about philosophy as that kind of “game”

@astor_25

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao ikr

@HarmzConscious

2 жыл бұрын

Ofc God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking there’s no such things as divine powers in this universe but in reality the universe goes way deeper than you think. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world and the universe is just responding. I had to made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏

@lefcso

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarmzConscious Brainwashed by science lmao 😂 You don't even know what are you talking about man

@AngelEmfrbl

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarmzConscious says the guy brainwashed bu religion inti having no free thoughts and to believe in what doesn't exist.

Pascal's Wager has another flaw: assumes that believing is voluntary. Even if I somehow tought that believing in God was better for me, I couldn't just decide to believe.

This is the most weirdly specific yet watchable tier list I’ve seen

@ryanvandoren1519

Жыл бұрын

Saw one about nerve gasses the other day. Can find a tierlist for anything these days!

@dryaldibread2327

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanvandoren1519 yeah I saw that one too! I believe it was @that chemist or something.

@lorenzzovidal9189

Жыл бұрын

On god, literally.

@bigploppa154

Жыл бұрын

cmon his argument against the third one was “christians say science cant explain this but theyre wrong because science cant explain this”