We need more people talking about this. We need to put pressure on Sony. Thanks for speaking out David.

"My stage of life, I don't care" love it mate. I'm with you.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Lol thanks

No worries, you’re not alone with your thoughts. Many A7S3 and A1 users have said the same. It’s really a shame.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

It sure is

@Sweatmonkey513

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidOastler man I feel your pain I have the Fx3 it’s not a true cinema camera

@daviddesrosiers1946

Жыл бұрын

Is this the reverse of the patented Canon Cripple Hammer?

@nickguzman1734

Жыл бұрын

​@@Whatsgoodmydude2222yeah especially with Panasonic's new AF, it'll be interesting in the next few years bc they're by far the best bang for your buck. Having a Sony is just trendy rn among content creators

@FitzMichael

Жыл бұрын

Sony don’t care 🤣

Amen, I completely agree. The fact that Sony is leaving these incredibly expensive cameras out to dry really makes me lose confidence in the brand. It makes me happy to see you and other KZreadrs calling them out on this. It's unacceptable. Also it's a bad move by Sony considering how much Panasonic is upping their game right now.

@infinityphotorob

Жыл бұрын

Panasonic has always lead the software upgrade game. Literally making a new camera out of your old camera with new features. I believe they forced Sony to do any of it. And made Nikon and Canon have to even play ball. They used to make you buy a new camera to get new features.

@travisminneapolis

Жыл бұрын

I must say I appreciate you calling them out

@kaischmidt730

Жыл бұрын

“Amen” was exactly the first word that came to my mind here 😂 Tell ‘em, preacher

100% agree with you David. I have an a1 and it took me a long time to save up for it and now I feel that the giant that is SONY is stepping on us and leaving us behind in the mud. I too would like to have focus stacking / breathing etc... injected via firmware, but have no idea how to take all of SONY camera owners concerns to this behemoth company and ping them so hard as to turn around and give the client what they want. I did hear somewhere that the division that runs cameras is separate to their TV and white-goods and that the camera division has to meet its target in sales via new camera sales rather than put resources and money into firmware updates for older cameras. I just hope SINNY sorry SONY is watching all the youtubers like yourself and listening.... I too will never buy another flagship from SONY. All the best Dave great content.

I agree! They lost a lot of trust when it comes to buying their gear because they literally came out with the fx3 MONTHS after the a7siii and yet the a7siii which is completely identical as a whole hasn't been given any of the updates. Anyone thinking of getting the a7sIV, if they do come out, I wouldn't recommend getting it because an fx3ii would follow shortly and get firmware updates.

I am with you David. Its crazy how Sony keeps coming out with a new camera and its much cheaper than the flagship cameras but wont update the flagship cameras. Im shooting on a Sony A7iii. I wont upgrade to the A7iv but will wait till the A7v comes out. Im still getting by with my A7iii. Your so right David.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

@MuhammadKharismawan

Жыл бұрын

Sony is doing the opposite of Canon Cripple hammer. they improve their next camera so old3r user will be tempted to buy, it being cheaper be damned. and they keep doing that endlessly. so FW update being super slow is the only thing keeping this economy going. basically the smartphne tactic but on camera. they dont care what the conventional camera pricing tier dictates. they just make cameras specialized at what they do and consumer better buy them for what they have at release.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Yes true

@networm64

Жыл бұрын

A7iv owner here and I'm either unhappy with firmware updates. Canon R6 got major improvements through firmware updates within the first year of its launch. A7iv ver 2 updates was a joke indeed!

@FrankP83

Жыл бұрын

I'm with you man, I've waited 4 years to buy my upgrade. I've still the amazing a7iii as you, but I've found the a7rV for 3600 euros with battery grip and a cheap 50 1.8 that i will sell...so about 3400 euros with less than 1000 shots (November 2022 the purchase date...) to much money for a brand new stuff. I'm fine for next probably 5-10 years now

This is one reason I love Panasonic Lumix. When a manufacturer pushes out meaningful firmware updates, it goes along way in creating brand loyalty. I'm willing to stick with a brand that isn't perfect so long as they appreciate their customers.

@lnz971

Жыл бұрын

Lumix ... lol

@synlfo7828

Жыл бұрын

the s5II is just insane. Open gate with anamorphic unsqueeze built in with stabilisation??!!

@GeorgeFerree

Жыл бұрын

This lack of customer support is among the quickest ways to drive me away from a company.

@CybertroninfiniteOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Nikon and Lumix have been my favorites because of that

Totally agree with you. I have a 7s3 and paid over 4 thousand EUR for it. I must be an optimist because I still believe Sony will give us an update before the end of summer or early autumn. I know that my a7s3 doesn't need any of these updates because they are not crucial for my work. It's more a matter of principal and respect for those of us that have invested so much money into Sony gear. Cheers

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree

@JackFN_VR64

Жыл бұрын

or Sony is clearing their last Siii/FX3 sensors in stock by dumping it into the ZV-E1 because they are ramping up for their next generation cameras A7cii, A7siv, a1ii etc with the new 'AI' autofocus what what at the end of '23 beginning '24.

A7S3 user here, fully agree with you, I get a camera every 4 -maybe 6...7 years, if that, I'm not wealthy ,updates with features after paying full price would be fantastic.

A7SIII was the first camera I bought that was over 3k. Feeling pretty jaded at the moment.

@karolisnoreika3703

Жыл бұрын

It can be first camera that you will sell for over 2k :D

@thelabnificentmediagroup4832

Жыл бұрын

Same here…

@JackFN_VR64

Жыл бұрын

Why? The only 1ups the ZV-E1 has over the Siii is the 2nd cpu for the latest autofocus/software stabilization and a little less weight. In every other metric tis a dumbed down Siii.

I prefer not to worry about other cameras. I get what works for me and update when it’s worth it. Buying the “top of the line” is rarely worthwhile.

@jamesburne3893

Жыл бұрын

Top of the line Sony correct.

@AndrewVanBeekOttawa

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesburne3893 from experience with Nikon, Canon, Sony, and Olympus, there is an obvious diminishing return as you double the cost of the camera. You’re right that even the Sony “base models” have about 95% of what the top of the line has. This seems to be a Sony thing.

I have an a1 and absolutely agree. I’ve been saying for about a month now that I’m not buying anything from Sony until I see a meaningful firmware update. If Sony’s response continues to be “buy a new camera” then I’ll oblige them. Except the new camera I buy won’t have a Sony badge and I’ll be leaving the brand altogether. It’s ridiculous.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

It sure is

@originimages4662

Жыл бұрын

How many lenses do you own?

I think you are spot on and I'll add that people need to manage their expectations with Sony. I'm a firm middle of the road camera user, and only upgrade my camera when I start hitting limitations. So basically I buy a camera with advanced features for it's time and use it for a few years. This means the latest midrange Sony camera is a big step up from what I had. So, while it would be nice to have the latest and greatest, sticking to the middle ground and updating every 4 or 5 years works for me.

Good to hear from you David - appreciate your views and honesty!

Good to hear your honest opinion David it is an eye opener. Thank you for your effort.

You're absolutely right David it's a shame Sony doesn't at least update the A1

@GallicGarlic

Жыл бұрын

Well, they will « sell » you an update via the A1 Mk ii ;)

Thanks for making this video. I totally agree! I’m upset at the lack of updates for the A7S3!

Yes, I agree completely with you. Sony is disappointing their customers. I own Sony a7riva ,no firmware updates for a long time ,if Sony continues like this, they are digging their own grave.

@scotttucker9613

Жыл бұрын

Anyone who bought the A7RivA is a fool, frankly. They added a $5 part and jacked the price back up by THOUSANDS of dollars vs the non-A version. All the A7Riv users knew that camera was end of life support wise before the A variant ever popped up. Sony put a very underpowered CPU in it that couldn't take meaningful updates.

Absolutely! You're spot on! Man we all feel that way. I'm glad someone with a platform said it. Heck we're not all rich!! THANK YOU !

David I couldn't agree with you more. You are spot on. I still love the A7siii but am disappointed with the lack of firmware updates. I hope Sony listens to KZread creators like you. Keep up the great work!

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I am a Sony A74 owner and even I feel just like you. Why these low-end cameras are getting features that ours is not is rediculous. If I had an A1 I would be absolutely LIVID.

@huyked

Жыл бұрын

I guess I have no hope for them adding a firmware to allow my RMT-845 remote to reset the timecode on my a7 IV. Damn! I can do this with my FDR-x3000 and a7S II to sync them.

@oramonteu

Жыл бұрын

Exactly the same thoughts for me !

As someone who currently owns a Lumix G7 and been looking to upgrade, I appreciate you making this video! I've been researching all the various flagship cameras from different brands over the past week or two and had started considering the ZV-E1 yesterday after seeing the early reviews, and firmware updates are something I definitely appreciate! (Although Panasonic didn't do nearly as many updates for the G7 compared to say, the G85 which is basically the same camera but with IBIS)

@sdhute

Жыл бұрын

Look at the lenses too. I’m a m43 user and getting into the l mount with Panasonic FF

@maxvorobey1316

Жыл бұрын

I personally upgraded from the G7 to the G9 6 years ago, still use it to this day. Solid camera

@MrAesthet

Жыл бұрын

I just upgraded my old GX8 to two G9. Those are absolutely bangers for the price you can get them.

@sdhute

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAesthet amazing deals on the g9 now

@LisaFrostPhoto

Жыл бұрын

I've got an S5 and love it....the S5 II looks awesome!

Agree totally ......I have been holding off on buying an A1 for many of the reasons you mentioned. Sony's refusal to add colour focus selectors in a firmware upgrade with the A73 still annoys me to this day every time I use it after having the A7R4.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Yes it’s so frustrating

@AI3Dorinte

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you will, you’re just cranky now. You need to understand differences in chipsets. Some cannot do neural engine stuff ( sony A73 and S). The A1 can and will receive them, but updates take time and development and no two cameras are the same. Also please look at the image quality, you really want tot tell me it’s the same chip? :))) He says he tells it as it is, nah m8 you tell it as you’re feelings dictate, lol.

@nicholasboule5134

Жыл бұрын

@@AI3Dorinte the a7s3 and the zv-e1 is 1000% the same sensor

@AI3Dorinte

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasboule5134 I wasn’t talking about the sensor, was talking about the processing unit attached to it.

And that's why I'm shooting lumix since 2012... They listen to feedback and bring out so many firmware updates even for 5 year old cameras, often adding great new features and pushing the hardware to it's full potential. 🙏

@christianhume7618

Жыл бұрын

THIS is what Sony should be doing!

Buy a camera for what it has, not what it's promised to have, go in with the expectation that what you see is what you get and you'll be happier. I have the a7iv, before I got that I shot on a canon 70d for 10 years and was perfectly happy with it. I suspect I'll be using the a7iv for years to come, no plans to upgrade for a good long time.

It is an important lesson that we should all buy cameras that meet our needs out of the box. Relying on the promise of a firmware update is a bad assumption. All of the camera makers are guilty of delayed or non-existent FW updates.

This is why I listen to you. You say it like it is. Keep up the good work.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill I’m now waiting for the hate lol

I've been perfectly happy with the A9. Never had the picture profiles so I don't know what I'm missing. But that camera has more to it than I'll ever use. Still takes fantastic pictures that I feel I can't get any better on the new cameras. My 2 cents.

@Eddie87Grant

Жыл бұрын

I have two A9’s. I may take a gander at the A9III if the software updates are there if not I will not buy.

@badshoes

Жыл бұрын

There with you!

@originimages4662

Жыл бұрын

Pragmatism. I like it. People are complaining that own some of the best camera currently in existence. For feature that don't add anything significantly meaningful to the functionality of the cameras.

@SilentPTV

11 ай бұрын

@@originimages4662 Not true for A7s3 vs the FX3. The new features added is what got the FX3 approved by netflix. The Focus breathing fix, being able to load luts, and the timecode feature alone with Cine EI are game changers for filmmaking with that camera. And it's all just software that could be added.

Love this video and you are absolutely not alone. I sold my A1 recently not because it wasn’t a great camera…but because the A74 that was my backup had more features that were more convenient. I’m definitely not buying flagships anymore either.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

I’m not as well

@bryangroup

Жыл бұрын

I found a74 focus faster than a1 in some cases.

I agree. Thank you for speaking out.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I completely agree with you. As an A7r4 (original version) owner I have decided to adopt the same policy as you. Their actions/policies reek of planned obsolescence.

Exactly the reason I won't even consider buying the new ZV-E1 at the moment, with Sony saying they will update with the 120FPS and fix overheating with firmware updates. If it ain't in there when you buy it, you are like 90% sure you will not ever get it based on past Sony modus operandi. And really, too many of Sony's new cameras seem to be hobbled together parts from other cameras with new software anyway...and a price premium. At least to me. Need some new sensors and chips to move the dial for cameras.

You have made it loud and clear, and i agree, never buying a flagship. Later is better than never, but fool me once, twice…….

I bought a Sony Alpha 6100 camera and lens kit for $1600 on credit at BestBuy and a year later inquired about BestBuy's trade-in deal, they wanted to give me $30 for it. I am still paying this debt off several years later. This camera was advertised as 4k (this is why I bought it) but shuts off after about 20 minutes with severe "heating problems" so no, is it not really 4k. My IPhone 14 and my Samsung S22 are more compact, they will run in 4k for hours on end, have many video features and I use them nearly every day for streaming and on the go photos. My Sony sits in a drawer 99% of the time. Maybe someday I might get another Sony when the heating problems are fixed and it becomes more reasonably priced. Forget about the good old days when things "appreciated" in value, once this camera is bought it loses most of its value.

Have an a1 which i bought right at the release and have loved it until I saw the release of Sony's two new cameras. I'm 100% in agreement with you! Sony has lost a lot of stock in my confidence with the company!

@originimages4662

Жыл бұрын

So are you saying that if you hadn't seen the release of the new cameras you would still love it? The thing that bothers me a little about your statement is that that camera is a superb specimen of technology capable of capturing mind blowing images and we are talking about not getting free additional features that a newer camera now has. If it were a film camera it wouldn't be possible and you wouldn't care. You own on of the sharpest tools ever created in your craft and you've lost confidence for not having focus frame colors, which in my opinion is a gimmick feature I'd personally never use. You already won bro! You've got an Sony Alpha 1! There is NOT another camera on the market that comes close to what it's capable of outside of spending upwards of 30K. Ya'll tripn'. BTW: I own and FX3 and FX6. My FX6 currently does not have anamorphic desqueeze and I shoot exclusively anamorphic. Yet, my FX3 does. I still love my FX6 to death do us part baby!

@SWATOP3

Жыл бұрын

@@originimages4662 I understand somewhat what you’re saying but my opinion is that a company shouldn’t start upgrading in the middle of their lineup. They should start at the top and then work their way down. It makes me want to start in the middle and regret spending as much as I did for the top camera. I believe in pushing the limits of manufactures not allowing them to be stagnant which is what they have done with the a1

@originimages4662

Жыл бұрын

@@SWATOP3 Again, the A7s was never the "top" camera. It's a hybrid camera system, by that designation it's a stills photo camera with limited video capabilities. People are calling it top and flagship because of gear hype that they themselves created. Sony has never called the A7s it's flagship camera. There are two other cameras just like it with their own niches, the A7 and the A7r. They can't all be the 'flagship" camera. The FX3 and FX30 are the bottom of the cinema camera line. Aaaaand the A1 is, even with the ability to shoot 8k, a primarily stills camera. One of the best you can possible buy and people are losing it over a primarily anamorphic firmware update intended for a clearly delineated cinema line. The A1 isn't stagnant, it's unbelievable! It's already the pinnacle of a stills camera at that price. But it has a place as it is a stills camera that currently has everything it needs. On the Sony web page for the camera all of the marketing is stills based. KZread influencers marketed it as a video camera, because youtube influencers primarily make videos. That's not Sony's fault. The other manufactures have clearly different goals, they are giving us great cameras, but Sony is giving us amazing cameras! They're sensors are pushing the tech forward. You really want a thing to complain about, do me this FAVOR PLEASE, complain about RED. Help fight what's holding back all of our cameras Sony or otherwise. You wanna unlock possibilities, that's the fight. This firmware thing is a distraction at best. Anyways... I subscribed... I appreciate your candor. Thanks

Canon, Fuji and Nikon always do things what Sony fails to do: add features to their cameras to keep them up to date. That’s why I love canon.

@amermeleitor

Жыл бұрын

That's true. My humble Nikon Z50 is a much better camera after the 2.40 firmware update. Panasonic keeps updating their cameras too.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

True

@richaneesh

Жыл бұрын

Fuji not so much. They just fix things sometimes which should have been corrected before releasing the production version.

@ryanclouse299

Жыл бұрын

They released updates to improve af on x-e2. Added IBIS algorithm improvements to the x-h1, added more film simulations and AF updates to their x-trans 4 sensors when the x-t4 released. X-t2 had update for I believe eterna and F-log when x-h1 was released. They certainly do add stuff when new features are available and not just fixes.

@backyardwindow

Жыл бұрын

lol no. Sure there's been a few good updates but overall, Canon does the absolute bare minimum of this. That's why MagicLantern is successful.

Thank you for giving voice to us!

Hi David - I agree with you. I absolutely agree with you. In this day and age to be let down this badly, it's not nice.

It was the same for us A-mount and Minolta users (with lots of lenses and flash systems). Everyone was waiting for a new launch that wasn't a mirrorless E mount, but it didn't happen, leaving a legion of users and fans abandoned.

@DjimmyTrovy

Жыл бұрын

This is not the same though. Every company is going mirrorless. It's logical.

@professionalpotato4764

Жыл бұрын

DSLRs have no more future. It was pretty obvious that mirrorless (and eventually shutterless) is the way to go.

I'm counting my blessings. I opted for the FX3 simply because I live in extremely hot climates. So benefited from the considerable update. Though I'm fully aware that Sony classes all FX cameras as professional cineline. The issues here is that they conceive the A cameras to be Domestic line so dont feel the need to update. Love the new ZV although your severely limited on the lenses you can use simply because body can't handle then physically.

@Average1212

Жыл бұрын

This new camera is crippled in so many ways and priced way to high for what it gives yet everyone is up in arms. If you don't live in Canada in the winter this camera is useless for most of the year if you are filming in 4k60 or higher.

@parasinthephilippines

Жыл бұрын

@@Average1212 I agree with you in many ways. If its a studio camera there are much cheaper options available. As I say I live in very hot climates so highly impracticable for use there. Hence why I bought the FX3 due to its fan. Whats interesting as well. If you watch the Sony Videos it says 120 ffs is upgradable. That shouts at me as a pricing model. Not one YT review has picked this up only saying it will come later. At a cost methinks. And at what cost ? Include the upgrade and camera cost then the FX3 seems to be the perfect choice.

@Average1212

Жыл бұрын

@@parasinthephilippines Yea, i'm not interested in this camera. It seems like a consumer camera at a pro entry level price. With lots of issues noone wants to talk about in their sponsored videos. They may not be reviewed before release but too many bad reviews and you don't get free stuff to review any more. We will see the reality about a month after it releases and the small channels start reviewing things they bought. Like the Auto focus on the s5ii, not quite where the early reviewers said it was.

@meyerdigitalfilm

Жыл бұрын

The SIII never overheated even without fan, i have been from -10 Celsius to +43 Celsius and multiple hour long recordings 🙂

Fully agree with you. Very spot on here!!!

Your attitude and honesty made me subscribe!

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

When I saw how the A7SIII was presented, I tipped my hat and realized they were in a very confused space with questionable decisions being made.

I’ve thought the same thing David. Why would the A1 not have focus stacking or even the A7IV?!?

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

I simply love you the way you are. The problem with people everywhere is that they don't speak up for common good for everyone. Thank you for highlighting this so that many more will exercise better caution with your kind gesture. You have spoken up not just for yourself, but also for everyone's benefit. All these at your own detriment. I appreciate your personal sacrifice on this. Maybe the rest of the people who are less intellectual might not see this, but I think there will be others who will.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support

I had an A7R3 since release. I jumped ship from micro 4/3 about 5 years ago. I recently sold that camera and purchase an A7R5 and I’m very impressed by that camera. I almost went with a Lumix this time around but couldn’t justify a complete switch when I have a lot of Sony glass and it’s was lower mega pixel.

Hey David, I hope you are doing well. I don't know if you remember a comment I made during one of your live streams a while back. It was about me not understanding the entire Sony lineup as they put bits and pieces of tech all across their cameras. I mean, if you consider they released the fx30 a few months back they could have put all this features in the fx30 and make it the ultimate entry-level video camera. I really don't understand why they don't condense their lineup.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Yes I remember and agree

That's one of the reasons I left Canon... really I'm not that keen on updating my cameras unless I have to. When my A7R3 was updated I jumped in thinking I would be great but I found my AF to be worse. When something is mission critical you have to be careful.

Awesome video mate. That’s exactly why I just bought an a9 this month, thanks to your previous review after the firmware updates. I love the honest opinion. Fair dinkum 👍🏼 Also got ballet to shoot, cheers from an Australian living in spain

@DavidOastler

29 күн бұрын

It is still a great camera it was way ahead of its time

Truth, honesty, integrity - that’s why I follow you. You are right!

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I’m starting to understand the Canon cripple hammer.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@Smoothblue90

Жыл бұрын

You guys are probably too young to remember. There was a day when there was the Nikon D7200 and the Nikon D750. With dual card slots. And then Canon came out with the 90D and the 6D Mark II with single card slots. And announced they were not upgrading the 7D with dual card slots to the Mark III. And suddenly I knew. Canon did not love me.

@CharlieVN

Жыл бұрын

Did you shoot canon back in the day? The crippling was insane.

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

I was with Nikon

@bngr_bngr

Жыл бұрын

What is the Canon cripple hammer?

I agree 100%! I too have the A7S3 and can’t believe that there hasn’t been any significant updates enhancing the features not to mention I was ticked off when they came out with the FX three just a few months later! They just built it, sold it and left it for dead! 😔

I do agree with everything you said. Great job thank you Sir

The 3800$ flagship camera don’t even have new menu late alone focus breathing compensation and the new little camera every one is saying it’s going to have firmware update to have new fps it’s just bonkers. No flagship ever again you are 100% correct

Absolutely agree. For most us, keep the camera you have, or buy the older version.

I totally agree with you David! I love how they stop doing updates for my A7r4 and I think it's safer just to buy a used camera so you have a little bit of leftover money to buy some KFC and a carton of VB❤

@DavidOastler

Жыл бұрын

Yes it’s not good at all

Completely agree with you David. I have 2 x A9 cameras as have always felt a bit baffled and disappointed by the lack of Picture Profiles.

You nailed it....This will only cause people to go for the cheaper versions. It is disappointing how they tend to neglect their topnotch cameras. It will only encourage more people just to get cheaper models. As for me. I couldn't agree more with you. This was the last time I purchased one of their most expensive cameras such as the Sony A7S3. I learned my lesson too. I ll say Adios amigos 👍

Totally agree, I've got an A1, it's still a great camera, but it would be nice if they'd continued adding functions rather than the occasional bug fix.

@youuuuuuuuuuutube

Жыл бұрын

Pro-tip: Buy a camera for the features it offers at purchase, not for what you think/hope may come down the line.

For those of us who can’t afford to ego shop for the flagships I say kudos that they pack features into an affordable camera…. Still using the A7R3 and an A6400 for video and honestly don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything

I completely agree with you. I just sold my A1 and purchased the Sony a7R V and I am not the least bit sorry. I feel Sony just left us hanging on the A1.

As someone who buys a lot of gear, I do find this thing you’ve brought up quite frustrating. Everything you mentioned, I was like “yup, yup, exactly.” All of these companies have their strategy to try and get you to buy everything or continually upgrade rather than giving you a camera with everything it’s technically capable of (especially with firmware updates). At the end of the day, Sony like any other company aims to make a profit. And this is part of their strategy. Canon does, Apple does it, etc. The cynic in me believes that the companies that “consider the consumer” with nice updates do that out of necessity. If they were in Sony or Canon’s position, I feel like they probably wouldn’t be as on top of the firmware updates. The term for this that originates from Camera Conspiracies is the cripple hammer. All that being said, it’s still a very exciting time to be a consumer with so much technology at our disposal. I do naively hope this attitude changes from the big companies, but most likely it’ll continue to be sort of experience for consumers.

Amen!!! From a Sony a1 camera owner!!! If I have to go with another camera system in the future, it will be something other than Sony!!! I'm tired of seeing Canon and Nikon giving "huge" updates to their cameras and Sony trying to sell me a different camera rather than giving me an update for a camera that broke the bank when I bought it a few months ago!!! 😭

Flagship features always migrate to lower end products. And older products don't always have the ability to be upgraded. This isn't limited to the camera world, you can see the same thing in any technology-driven market. As for Sony, there are some things that they should bring to the A1 but haven't, and I hope they do. However it's not realistic to expect them to limit functionality of their mass market products just to protect the feelings of those who bought more expensive products in the past. Always buy what fits your needs and budget.

@MarcosElMalo2

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I’m wondering about the hardware limitations, too. The a7siii is almost three years old, which is a long time for CPU development. It might be that the cameras just don’t have the processing power to run the latest software. The moment one buys a camera or a computer or what have you, the clock is ticking. The question I ask is, does the thing do what it was supposed to at the time I purchased it? Granted there are exceptions, such as when a company promises future features in a firmware update, but ultimately technology presses on. If the better technology is cheaper, so much the better-it could make the platform more viable if there are more paying customers. I suppose it’s easier for me to say this because I stopped buying flagship products a while ago, I tend to wait when I do buy, and I tend to hold onto gear.

@DavidOastler

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It’s exactly the same as the fx3

@IanHobday

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@@DavidOastler We actually don't know that. It has the same sensor as the FX3 but the FX3 has active cooling (aka a fan). That could allow the processing chips to run at higher frequencies, or for more powerful versions of those chips to have gone into the FX3 from the start. More transparency from Sony would help a lot in clearing this up, but in the absence of that we can't know for sure what is going on other than Sony has upgraded the FX3 but not the A7Siii.

I've been an Alpha 9 and Alpha 1 user since both of their releases in the 6 year time frame. The cameras work perfectly fine as they are for me, but I do hate we haven't had major FW updates in them. 2 years later on the 1 and still nothing major for it is quite disappointing. I do know I won't be upgrading my camera as I didn't do so once the 9 II was released and the new features, where they'll be great I can't justify a new Alpha 1 model, when I own 2 Alpha 1's presently. Love my cameras, but hate there aren't any updates for them to bring them more in line with the newly released cameras and new features.

@DavidOastler

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Thanks for sharing mate

David, great video. It is one of the reasons I switched to Fuji (for better or worse, jury still out). I have recently considered a switch to Sony for the A7 RV, but have resisted the move based on pretty much what you just said. Thanks!

Been holding out for the A1 since the release and with the lack of firmware update I said its not worth the cost for old tech. If we don't see a mini A9/A1 or a a9iii this summer I'm going to get another brand camera and run to brands and see what I use more to see should be my camera brand for the next decade.

@DavidOastler

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I don’t blame you

This is a reason why I stick with Canon, they improve and add things even years after a camera releases. They improve their already good cameras for their customers.

I agree with you @David Oastler. The A1 is the last Flagship and Sony Camera as well I'm going to purchase.

I agree. I'm behind you.

A9 (Sony’s flagship) has received massive number of updates. There were 6 major firmware versions. And one of these has brought the Real Time Tracking which made A9 a first FF camera with it. Funny thing is that even a6000 received some updates lately… Not sure why a1 and a7sIII or not getting the updates you are missing.

You are dead right. Sony's refusal to do real firmware updates is inexcusable.

I appreciate you being so frank!

@DavidOastler

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Thanks

Thus I sold the A1 and using the FX30 because it also has overheating problems

I don't understand the thought process behind crying about features you didn't pay for. You got the camera that you paid for. You kept saying "there's no reason" but except there must BE a reason. Furthermore, why SHOULD they give away the free software improvements? When the A7SIII came out, it had all the latest technology and you bought it BECAUSE it was the latest and greatest. You can't then cry about the new advances. It's maddening. You paid for the camera you wanted.

@russellevans2928

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Other companies have a policy to look after their loyal customers, Sony obviously are not concerned with loyalty. Perhaps when their loyal supporters move on to alternative brands as I Intend to do they will wake up. Olympus, Fuji and Nikon are showing the way. Pity about Sony.

@Triple070007

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No

Fantastic video. Thankfully, we got a new update today for the FX3 and FX30. Hopefully, again, they do something good for the A7SIII owners.

@DavidOastler

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I would not count on it

Hi David, Completely agree and disappointed ! I own the A1 and indeed no significant update yet ... Thanks for pointing that out and hopefully it will get to Sony

Sony doesn't like honest and real criticism and you are a good man and teachers to us all. 4:40

Sir, in 2013 I paid 2500.00 for a Sony Rx1r. I don't believe Sony ever released one firmware update. I enjoyed your video because I stopped buying top of the line digital cameras some time ago. I still buy Sony, but I go for models that are under two grand. I agree with everything you just posted.

100% Spot on! Sony need to address this for better or worst. At least an explanation.

Thanks for posting this. I'm an A1 owner, I think it's a fantastic camera, and yet I agree completely. I won't buy another Sony flagship for the same reasons... they've turned their flagship into a disposable camera, one that is "meant" to be discarded after the next version of whatever model they produce. As primarily a videographer, it's left me wondering just what the A1 is supposed to be a "hybrid" of? Certainly not a flagship hybrid of the still and cinema line when their cheapest cinema camera has pro features the A1 lacks. I'm still hoping Sony will recognize the anger, come to their senses, and release a substantial update for these cameras (after all, they haven't discounted the A1 yet, so the A2 must not be ready).

David: I feel your point of view, and I agree with you COMPLETELY. 100%

@DavidOastler

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Thanks Orio.

You have a very good point and you are correct 100%. This situation really comes down to people having to think hard about what is nice to have and what do I need when buying a camera. Maybe if I can be the devils advocate for a second. As a full time working pro who bought two a9’s and last year two A1’s. The price difference between the flagship models was always worth it because they earned themselves back in money coming in from work in a matter of weeks / months. Features like high res high speed af, electronic flash easy and fast integrated video all in one body were essential and the time of purchase and need that. But as all these other things of other cameras are nice to have for me. I really understand the frustrations this brings forth for people spending lots of money on cameras as a hobby/job on the side but flagship cameras are not aimed at every body. These high end cameras used to be nice to have’s for enthousiasts as it came with things other bodies didnt. But there is a shift. If you need it buy it. If it’s something that would be nice to have be aware it will be coming to a cheaper camera soon.

@DavidOastler

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Thanks for sharing

Totally agree mate ❤

Thanks for talking some sense into me!😄

Agreed, I still use my A7III but I've been watching all the progress for years now and it seems like they completely ignore the camera's once released. Fair enough you buy a camera with the specs that you like at that time, but it would be nice for Sony to add features to older camera's if it's a matter of a simple firmware update.

I am so glad I got on board with Olympus/OM years ago. I purchased an Olympus body which was released in 2016 (the OMD EM1 mk2). It is still getting firmware updates to date. My current body, the OM-1 is awesome. It will continue to have firmware updates as well. The major brands such as Canon, Nikon etc are catching up with some of the computational features of the Olympus. Sony purposefully lag behind. Sony simply love you to buy their newest body, with limited features as regulary and as often as they can. Sony simply want your money and as much as they can screw you out of. Mate, you will get no hate from me, just sympathy for being screwed by Sony. Check out the price of the OM-1, compare it's features and abilities to the inferior Sony. Should you do so, I think you may regret buying a Sony even more.

Couldn't agree more with you, and honestly it is sad. I don't shoot Sony but I know lots who do and although they don't always like to admit it, I'm sure most flagship Sony buyers will agree with you. I'm just a news photojournalist/photog and I still use the Nikon DSLR flagship a pair of D6's and even they have received major firmware upgrade. Particularly the Firmware 1.20 made huge updates that even further made the autofocus system by far the best of any DSLR ever made, by anyone. My D6 has never really let me down and has only gotten better over time, although I'll admit I was a bit disappointed to learn it didn't have many of the rumored specs, it's still the best camera I've ever used, for what I do. I had a Z9 early on as our newspapers have a great relationship with Nikon/NPS, and some of our other photog's use the Z9's. I just prefer the D6 and I do have a Nikon Z7, which I never thought I'd be saying. The Z7 though, and D6 both have received major, camera changing updates over the past couple of years and both are still extremely capable. The Z6 and Z7 got the Firmware 3.0 and then 3.4, which were game changing! They made the old single processor Z7/Z6 to compete with some of the best camera's on the market and AF has drastically improved! So David you are 100% correct in your assumptions that Sony could easily update and upgrade their flagships with firmware. Yet they don't and nobody really calls them out, or enough over it. If Nikon, Canon, Fuji and Panasonic can all do it, surely Sony can. Good for you for always speaking your mind, I'm the same way these days, and I could care less if I upset any fanboys or clubs. The Z-user's, especially the Z9 users get really made when I say I would never trade my D6 for one or that I could careless about the Z9...boy do I ever get hate for saying anything remotely critical of their "baby!" I think some people must justify to themselves that they are correct in their purchasing decision, how dare you criticize what they love. Oh well, like you I'm at the stage in my life where I don't care. I've been watching you for a couple of years on and off, and I don't even shoot Sony, so respect!

@DavidOastler

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Thanks for the comment mate.

I really do agree on the firmware issue! These are meant to be professional tools, they need to give atleast a few years of support.

@ed61730

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Sony looks at the camera market the same way they look at their other tech branches... thats the problem.

Totally agree that Sony seems to leave the users stranded with no real updates on firmware. Its one of the reasons why I am looking at the Lumix S5 II X, and they provide updates + other nifty options.

They actually giving a great upgrade... just not for A7s III and A1 😅 I do appreciate the upgrade for FX3, it seems like what you say is true, the A7S series will be discontinue

We live and learn David , I brought the A1 two years ago but won't be buying another flagship model . I'm no fanboy either, just buy the best I can afford . I am disappointed in the lack of added features from FW updates , I've tried a couple of other flagship models from other brands but still preferred the A1 for what I shoot so won't be jumping ship just yet

@DavidOastler

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Fully agree

agree....I bought an A1 and I've been shocked that they still haven't put out a FW update to get us stuff like focus breathing compensation...It's really incomprehensible

I agree completely! I bought the a7rii when it first came out. Did the same with the a7riv and the a7siii. I’m very disappointed in Sony’s lack of care for their existing customers!

I agree with you David. Sony should have done a few firmware updates for the A1 and siii

@DavidOastler

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Yes they sure should

I enjoy my A1, especially being able to use a silent shutter in most all situations BUT totally agree it'd be nice to give us some more considering it's the top of the line camera and much lesser cameras offer some better features. Maybe implementation isn't as easy as we think but Sony seems to definitely be looking for those new sales in "creator" markets instead of supporting the pros. I still like the system but would definitely think twice before purchasing another flagship model myself after seeing how stagnant added features have become.

@DavidOastler

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Yes I won’t get another flagship

@amykluttz4206

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You are exactly right! The lower end appeals to the instagram- reels- influencer market and thats probably Sonys biggest market

@robwasnj

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@@amykluttz4206 Yeah, it's one of those fine lines I guess any maker has to walk. In some ways having knowledgeable professionals as "ambassadors" kept the standards higher but in another way because they are essentially paid in one way or another by the camera manufacturers nobody trusts reviews from those people (myself included). The current state is anyone with a large enough following that doesn't outright bash the company will likely have them reach out and want to partner with them for publicity and that encompasses many people that aren't higher end users buying those flagship cameras. When Sony made the A7iii and later the A7Riii they really hit it out of the park and pros considered them a real camera brand and a fresh new option to Canon or Nikon, etc. Now we see more less of this and more gimmicky stuff in an attempt to capture lower end markets. I'm still overall happy with Sony, yes I'd like to see more for my A1 and hope they don't abandon us only offering new features for an A1mk2 but the lenses and entire ecosystem is hard to beat. I do question long term durability of their cameras and lenses, I've already had a few repairs as have some of my friends. My 200-600 had a screw inside come out, lens worked fine but I could hear it rattling around so it had to be repaired. Stuff like that along with lens feet breaking, lens mounts getting stressed from carrying a moderate lens by the body shouldn't happen imho. Coming from Canon I had my share of repairs there too but different ones, I do believe their cameras are more durable and can take getting knocked around.

You're right. I recently bought three A7C's for videography and chose them based on their overall compact size and being full frame with E series lens fittings. Then the ZV-E1 comes along... I mean, I am more than happy with the quality of the A7C video output because it is mega crisp and clarity is incredible, the body is made of metal and it has an EVF for photography. But 4k60 and AI tracking composition and cropping would have been a nice add. Sony should add 4k60 to the A7C asa a midpoint. Remembering back to the old Canon EOS M mk1 when Magiclantern came along and added all their extensive menu hacks and RAW video, so why can't Sony add things easily too?

@angelamaloney4871

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Well, the a7C is actually more of an entry level camera for full frame. Plus a replacement is rumored to be imminent. So I’m not so sure an update for it is really likely.

@stanleystevens6278

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The firmware update for the A7C is coming. It's called A7C Mark 2.

@DavidOastler

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Lol

I agree. I think if you're selling something that expensive you have to build confidence in your customers. if you can't do that and there are other options, I'm afraid people will jump. Especially when the competitors are on the offensive and you sit there and do nothing?

I love your opinion. I never know with Sony what camera to get… so I stay with Canon but Canon EOS R was my last Canon purchase. This new Sony seems like a great buy…

@DavidOastler

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Thanks keith