Imagine switching from windows to Linux and using edge as your browser.

@agnuswulf

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, that's me!

@oldaccount7463

2 жыл бұрын

@@agnuswulf Lol why?

@agnuswulf

2 жыл бұрын

​@@oldaccount7463 Because I like it! It has everything I want in a browser in the right proportion. - The best reading mode out there - Extensions - The best integration with WebApps (even in Linux!) - A very good interface - Stable asf - Lighter than Chrome And the list goes on. It's simply perfect to me.

@riseabove3082

2 жыл бұрын

Edge is quite good. So not sure of the hate.

@oldaccount7463

2 жыл бұрын

I get what y'all are saying in terms of performance. However, a big part of moving to Linux is to get away from proprietary spyware. Sure edge is fast, but there are many great open source alternatives.

Don't understand why you'd choose a riskier option in terms of privacy just because it doesn't match the colors of your Linux desktop.

@RagdollWraith

2 жыл бұрын

yeah....

@jeremypilot1015

2 жыл бұрын

There is no privacy the governments of the world can see everything about you. Why would you think you somehow have better security on your little home PC that entire NATIONS don't have? The Chinese, Russians and Americans can hack anyone anywhere anytime.

@liquidsnake6879

2 жыл бұрын

Firefox cares about privacy? That's news to me must be one of these duckduckgo things where people somehow led themselves into believing the company cares about privacy based on old propaganda that no longer rings true to their modern reality

@odizzido

2 жыл бұрын

I notice this guy seems so care about appearance a lot. Not really my thing but many people care more about how something looks than how functional it is.

@jeremypilot1015

2 жыл бұрын

@@odizzido Yes I am one that loves a good GUI if you're reading text all day and think that is great you may have a menta defect my friend just sayin lol

I switched from Chrome to Firefox because I don't want Firefox to disappear into nothingness. Having only Chromium based browsers sounds like a bad idea, especially since no one will make any websites compatible with any other browser anymore. At least now developers will have to support Firefox still

@cameronbosch1213

10 ай бұрын

Too late.

@thekrampuselbananoquevivee9947

10 ай бұрын

the hero we need

@godnyx117

9 ай бұрын

They don't "have" to support Firefox, they just choose to because it still has a couple of users.

@cameronbosch1213

9 ай бұрын

@@godnyx117 No they don't.. The only reason Google does is to avoid Chromium ripped away from them. Which I really do want more than Firefox staying alive.

@Dosia142

9 ай бұрын

@@godnyx117 couple of users?

as a firefox user and as a student, i have to say, pocket really is helpful when you are scouring through a thousand different websites for your projects/essays. it has really helped me ever since i started using it.

@scarletdragon1019

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a really good complement to Firefox, I used to use it before it was added to Firefox by default

@only2sea

Жыл бұрын

Its name was "read it later" before it became Pocket. I prefer readwise reader or instapaper.

@richi1235

Жыл бұрын

@@only2sea Those can be combined 😉

@siliconhawk9293

Жыл бұрын

am a uni student and can confirm, i did not expect pockets to be so good and helpful but i am glad it exists

@cakegal890

10 ай бұрын

Using pocket is basically handing your data out on a silver platter

I am afraid that if Firefox disappears Google will be this much closer to owning the only web engine out there with Blink. There ought to be a HUGE debian-style community effort put into forking a web engine, preferably gecko, to produce a fast, safe, efficient, competitive, extensible web engine for developers to easily build new web browsers upon.

@accountid9681

2 жыл бұрын

Please, if I knew anything about web development I would help

@ThylineTheGay

2 жыл бұрын

@Blue_Ducky probably blender level of organisation

@Al0011235813

2 жыл бұрын

Why Gecko? WebRender is superior. Actually, we’d be much better of working to improve Firefox rather than throwing the towel.

@themroc8231

2 жыл бұрын

@@Al0011235813 Gecko is Firefox' s browser engine. I think webrender is a part of Gecko.

@Al0011235813

2 жыл бұрын

@@themroc8231 WebRender is a completely different codebase written in Rust. Check your facts.

2:40 EVERY browser on iOS is a Safari wrapper. Apple mandates that in their App Store policies.

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s Terrible

@realtimestatic

2 жыл бұрын

@The Linux Experiment yeah that’s why android is superior in terms of that regard! I don’t know how this isn’t apple abusing it’s monopoly

@DijTheWhiteEmperor

2 жыл бұрын

Your statement is a bit misleading. Apple enforces the use of WEBKIT. I think this is a good idea as iOS is an embedded system. Enforcing a single rendering engine means Apple is the sole company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage. Which is a good thing when you're the company trying to sell an OS/user experience as a whole. And still it allows web browsers to exist on top of it precisely because web browsers are useful for their exclusive features. I personally use Opera on my iPhone because Opera's flow feature has been pure gold for me. So stating it as if it was a monopoly abuse is really unfair in my opinion.

@zNoah

2 жыл бұрын

@@DijTheWhiteEmperor It could still be called "hindering innovation", since you cannot have better performance than Safari because of being enforced to use that specific engine. Example: I made a better engine than WebKit, but cannot use it on iOS because of that policy.

@pabllosee

2 жыл бұрын

@@DijTheWhiteEmperor "company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage." You forgot to mention to control also web applications. With chrome based browser user could run whatever webapp he wants. With safari Your're limited for apple app store apps only.

Never say "goodbye" to such a great browser like Firefox

@randomguy15865

Жыл бұрын

I love pages not loading properly!!

@randomguy15865

Жыл бұрын

Accept the truth Firefox sucks

@sempasha

Жыл бұрын

​@@randomguy15865 this is not always Firefox fault. Sometime it is just site scripts issue. Web developers tend to test their apps on Chromium based browsers only. This is not only Firefox problem, but Safari and any WebKit based browser so.

@Amp1771

Жыл бұрын

agree you will never get that level of privacy and customization again once you give up the only decent browser you have.

@Jst4vdeos

Жыл бұрын

@@randomguy15865 Firefox blocks the evil scripts that Google wants on the Internet

The only thing I'd point out is that Vivaldi lets you choose what features you want when you first boot it up, and gives you three distinct selections ranging from "just give me a web browser" to "give me all the extra features like a mail client"

The issue is that if Firefox goes away we will have a big issue. No one except Firefox can cope with Google. If google is the only one we are in deep trouble.

@MichaelMantion

Жыл бұрын

FF sucks. And I was a big netscape user back in the day. Don't get me wrong I have librewolf, firedragon and firefox on my system but I only use libre wolf for a few things the rest of the time I use the faster google chrome or brave.

@eeaotly

Жыл бұрын

@@MichaelMantion I still niss Netscape.

@tukuiPat

Жыл бұрын

@@MichaelMantion Google changing how adblockers are allowed to work in Chromium browsers means seeing ads again where they'd otherwise be blocked.

@MichaelMantion

Жыл бұрын

@@tukuiPat Agreed brave looks like the best choice going forward.

@zakem

Жыл бұрын

WebKit exists

Let the browser battles begin!

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

My choice is probably not one any sane human being would make 😅

@yoman9446

2 жыл бұрын

@skYe_ waterfox has a s*itty privacy policy

@-bazoona3654

2 жыл бұрын

@@yoman9446 we need earthfox and airfox

@SunIsLost

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@stephanhuebner4931

2 жыл бұрын

@@goodsoul6675 I don't get that either. As long as those features can be switched off if not needed, I don't see the issue.

the main reasons I'm sticking with firefox are because firefox sync makes reinstalls quite a bit easier since I use a password manager and it automatically gets added when I first sign in (and yes, my computers hate me, so I DO end up reinstalling a LOT) and also because firefox has an easy option to force all sites to use a local font, I have one that I prefer because my dyslexic ass sucks at reading and all the ridiculous fonts people use just give me a headache

"Firefox diying is TERRIBLE for the web" posted 2 Weeks ago. Well this aged badly

In the end I thought you were saying "I am moving from Firefox to... Firefox". That was the conclusion from your video, Firefox would be its best replacement.

I want to see how this evolves. I have a feeling you'll go back eventually.

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

Might be!

@seccentral

2 жыл бұрын

Used Firefox since it was called firebird. Switched to brave 1 year ago on PC laptop phone and tablet. Didn't care about switching back. At all.

@guss77

2 жыл бұрын

I'm looking at epiphany (or how GNOME calls it these days: "Web", as if application names is not a thing anymore) from time to time and unfortunately it is not in good place - the feature set is very bare (as expected for a GNOME app) and it's integration with my Plasma desktop is abysmal - just getting it to have the correct DPI is annoyingly difficult.

@niteshpillai1977

2 жыл бұрын

Chrome for work and Firefox for personal use!

@isanarditama

2 жыл бұрын

What he said? Biffeni?

manifest v3: im gonna make this man use firefox back again

as a developer, am sticking on firefox. It has an amazing dev tools ♥️

@BlizzGMX

6 ай бұрын

agree. The firefox developer edition is awesome. Especially when working with grid and flexbox.

@coshvjicujmlqef6047

Ай бұрын

as a developer i block ff's agent string.

I'm sticking with Firefox for now. It runs equally well on all of my phones, Linux machines and Windows machines, and I truly love the "send tab to device" feature (look up something on my phone, then send it to my desktop where I can actually read it).

@Polar_Onyx

2 жыл бұрын

I find it funny how a lot of the comments here talk about "I'm use x because *insert odly specific feature*" and I realized it doesn't really matter how high performance and browser or how secure people just pick what they like the most so it's pointless to argue (unless of course they use chrome or edge)

@softwarelivre2389

2 жыл бұрын

The native screenshot feature is also pretty neat!

@goblinnnn

2 жыл бұрын

@@Polar_Onyx Browsers are literally all preference. There's no use fanboying over one or another, which is why i think these comments are so silly.

@franky6193

2 жыл бұрын

opera has that feature aswell, its called my flow

@johnbuscher

2 жыл бұрын

@@Polar_Onyx It’s almost like people pick software based on their use cases…

Firefox still rocks, people will understand it's true value when it will disappear from market or get crushed by monopolistic companies, always with firefox 🥰

@njbrx

Жыл бұрын

ever since switching to Linux full time, I have been using firefox and I don't have any major issues with it

@laughingvampire7555

Жыл бұрын

I used Netscape Navigator the grand daddy of FF, then Mozilla Browser the father and then FF and they all were shitty that is why Microsoft crushed Netscape, and then Mozilla because Netscape/Mozilla were a bunch of coders who didn't understood the needs of users and Google did that is why crushed everyone, including Microsoft and is becoming the dominant by far engine for the web. If it were for Microsoft and Mozilla we would've remained in the browsers of 2005 without any significant changes, the web would've been completely boring.

@ubahni

Жыл бұрын

yeah i love slow browsing and webpages not loading properly!!!!

@roblabbe629

Жыл бұрын

Are U chinese

@randomguy15865

Жыл бұрын

​@@ubahni lol true

Notes about Pale Moon: You missed the entire point of the browser 1. It supports basically every device, even those that firefox doesn't currently support (XP). 2. It was originally made to allow NPAPI and PPAPI plugins to continue running (Stuff like Flash) 3. Customization is already available from the welcome screen, there is a tab on the website just for it 4. It is fast The problems with it is 1. Some sites doesn't work 2. Many modern addons don't work 3. It is old It remains as my secondary browser in case firefox stopped working

@alphaursaeminoris1

Жыл бұрын

In other words, insecure as hell. Just use Librewolf. Pale Moon sucks

@LunaExpiX

Жыл бұрын

@@alphaursaeminoris1 I still use it in case any other browser breaks, if you want to browse old internet, it is king

What was wrong with Waterfox?

Librewolf is what I use, basically hardened firefox

@chapogon

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit surprised he didn't mention librewolf but I guess he would scored it similar to waterfox

@neolight1010

2 жыл бұрын

@@chapogon Perhaps a bit less, as it doesn't support Firefox Sync.

@chapogon

2 жыл бұрын

@@neolight1010 that's true, I guess that also might be one reason he didn't showed it as well

@johnmal5975

2 жыл бұрын

I love librewolf. It's a great project. If you want something simple (you don't have to spend a half hour with about config) its a great choice.

@gravatharg2728

2 жыл бұрын

​@@johnmal5975 Hello! I am wondering about what to choose - Waterfox or LibreWolf. I am Windows 10 LTSC user (with cut out telemetry and other spy stuff. However, I used Manjaro Linux for a while, but it has unacceptable performance for me) and still idk what to choose.

I don't know if you've considered this already but LibreWolf is kinda like Firefox without all the telemetry, kinda like how Ungoogled Chromium is from Chromium or Chrome.

@ParaPsychic

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he was gonna just pick LibreWolf and end the video. Surprisingly, it didn't even make it to the video!

@krimsonbun

2 жыл бұрын

he said he wants to get the feeling of a new browser. Librewolf doesn't give that to him.

@neoasura

2 жыл бұрын

Librewolf is what I use for all my business related stuff. I love it.

@jordanoconnell48

2 жыл бұрын

Yep totally agree librewolf for the win, best browsing experience I've had

@loop5720

2 жыл бұрын

Never heard of it, now that you mention it, that sounds really great. FireFox is pretty fast too, I want it now.

You are one very picky guy.

I used Firefox for so very long. But after Google took it over it started to suck.

"Its not censorship to let a big tech company determine what is and isnt true and then restricting visibility of things it decides are not true (ie, things it does not like)".

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

No one said a big tech company should decide. That’s the current situation of things. That’s not what Mozilla wants.

@chaos.corner

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation". It's right there, they hardly even applied much doublespeak.

@fiberopticradiationburns2051

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation."

@DavidIstre

2 жыл бұрын

By definition, censorship doesn't bother him since he doesn't think it's censorship to let others determine what is "true" and therefore "acceptable speech". But, I guess that just means he's not at risk of getting shut down by KZread.

@ilearncode7365

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidIstre hes a weak pseudo-intellectual that only repeats articles he finds online, and has jewish approved “lukewarm” takes on everything, and yes, it is censorship to censor speech you dont like in order to “decide what is true” is.

It is sad to see Firefox dying like this. I'll hold onto it for a while as I have it configure how I like with an about:config but its getting worse to maintain. Also competition to google is good. I find myself jumping back and forth between firefox and brave and kinda using it as task separation between work/play or topics of research. Also back when I was doing webdev, the debugger in chrome is simply better/easier to use imo

@christianemden7637

2 жыл бұрын

I see your point entirely, and while I agree with the good of having competition, I just never liked firefox. I ran opera (starting with version 5.0) for many years, before it started to suck. After a few years with Firefox, I now switched to Vivaldi, and am as happy with at as i used to be with opera in the beginning years.

@caraxes_noodleboi

2 жыл бұрын

Chrome will never take me alive. I wil continue using Firefox till the day I die or Firefox dies.

@Lestibournes

2 жыл бұрын

I just use different profiles in Brave to switch between work and play. They open up side by side in separate windows.

@chomskyan4life

2 жыл бұрын

@@caraxes_noodleboi Agreed... and hopefully an alternative to firefox comes along at some point. But that may be daydreaming though... considering the immense complexity and cost of maintaining a full-featured browser.

@awex7

2 жыл бұрын

i like brave bc of its tor feature

I don't understand why aesthetics would be a serious consideration. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention but these browsers all seemed to have similar designs where the aesthetics, or the app surrounding the web content, were minimal. If you were shopping for a decent car to get you from point A to B without a hassle, were looking for a low price, reliability, fuel efficiency, and convenience, would you turn down a well-maintained Honda Civic because the colour was wrong or it didn't go with your wardrobe? Linux on the desktop can still be considered non-standard compared to Windows and macOS (or ChromeOS). It has varying and customizable UIs that browsers probably should not be customized for unless it's by the desktop environments themselves. I generally assume that people with the initiative to run desktop Linux are more focused on technical, practical, and functional aspects of their computing experience and only secondarily care about aesthetics. I'm typing this on a Chromebook. I'm thinking about getting a different computer one day, perhaps a Slimbook. I don't think I can get exactly what I want in a computer, especially from anything running macOS or Windows, even if I run Linux on it. But maybe KDE has done their very best, and that means a lot to me. They didn't create AirTags as a way of ripping off Tile's IP or put the faulty butterfly keyboard on their laptops worth thousands of dollars. They also presumably won't try to force a particular web browser on me, like Microsoft Edge. And while desktop Linux might not be absolutely perfect, it's about as close as it gets today, far removed from the annoying politics that go with more mainstream OSes, including ChromeOS and Google forcing its buggy features on users. In a recent update to ChromeOS, Google forced an upgrade to Android which slowed Android apps down on low-end Chromebooks (as the vast majority of Chromebooks tend to be). They also added an unremovable app icon for the Linux cli and another for something called Screencast that I think allows communication via webcams. There's also an Explore icon which gives inaccurate and out of date information on the latest features on ChromeOS. It's also unremovable. None of these operating systems or devices are going to be exactly to my preferences. I have to be careful to pick the best ones possible. And you know what? I think Firefox is likely the best one. If you can turn the telemetry off and stop the built-in ads (I might consider donating a small dollar amount to Mozilla to show my gratitude), also adding uBlock Origin to stop ads online, you might have a browser that isn't based on Chrome/Chromium, has an engine of its own, is mainstream enough to run the entire internet, and has been around longer than Chrome/Chromium. I'll look for the follow-up to this video to see how things turned out. While any browser made by the open source community is admirable for that very quality, I assume that Mozilla's sins are all about trying to keep themselves afloat since their main competition is from one of the largest tech companies in the world with a market capitalization of $1.7 trillion.

Great video! I'm experimenting with Linux distros and finding a long-term browser to use is on the list so this information is very helpful.

I missed librewolf, dot, wexond, decentr, unbranded firefox and firedragon, which is a fork of librewolf focused on KDE

@ejazali4

2 жыл бұрын

dot browser is still in development!

@awolsam

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting a few of those I had not even heard of, will have to look them up. Also there is Basilisk and Naver Whale :)

@villenmillenion7986

2 жыл бұрын

@@awolsam Whale I ignored because it has too much clutter, the ones I mentioned are all within the parameters of Nick, Basilik is ok but I had issues updating if your language is not english, it literally break beyond repair, same with waterfox for some reason

@villenmillenion7986

2 жыл бұрын

@Lynn Geek I don't use thunderbird, I open my emails on the browser, so I don't know what to tell you

@seanpaul7069

2 жыл бұрын

@@villenmillenion7986 librewolf is dead?

It would be useful to also include the security component in your list, i.e. how fast the vulnerabilities are patched etc.

@vertihippo1274

Жыл бұрын

@Ankit That's debatable. I'd say security and privacy go hand in hand! If someone wants privacy, they'll need a browser that is secure. Likewise, if someone wants a browser to stay secure, there needs to be a fair amount of privacy. I'd say both are crucial to one another. Security means more than just bug fixes and patches. It also means having your personal data protected.

@HeWhoProclaims

Жыл бұрын

@@vertihippo1274 I really would like to know which offers both impressive security and privacy. I really can't decide between Firefox or Brave and it's looking me..

@vertihippo1274

Жыл бұрын

@@HeWhoProclaims The answer lies in personal preference! Firefox has never failed me in terms of privacy, but this certainly gives me a bias. Brave is Chromium-based and open-source, and open-source is always good to hear. Firefox is also open-source. I have never much liked Chromium myself, but I must say I like what I've read about Brave. Articles comparing the two reach various conclusions. I would recommend you look into and use them both. Which one is faster? Which one seems more invasive? Does one seem more bloated? Which has more security features? Most importantly, which suits you? *If you ask me,* Firefox with addons will always beat something Chromium-based for privacy. Again, this is biased and shouldn't be treated as solid advice. I've used both a bit, and both have their own pros. Brave and Firefox are both a tad bloated, although Firefox feels much less bloated to me while providing similar features. Brave comes with a Rewards feature which seems excessive. Firefox comes with less built-in, and I'd say that gives more privacy control. You can choose what you want more so, optimizing speed and security.

@noureddine3633

11 ай бұрын

@@vertihippo1274 the person asked security not privacy, Chrome is a secure Browser either you like it or not the problem is the privacy and that's what kinda draw the line between privacy/security debate you trying to start, therefor security as in fast response to vulnerabilities should also be considered separately .

summary: he switched back to firefox after a bit

Google chrome: You might hate me but you can't ignore me.

3:20 Seeing how the phrase "this is proven to be false" is being used today, having that as a reason to censor information will most certainly be abused.

@somewhathappy5610

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like how Republicans pretend like all the science is not always against their racism, transphobia, misogyny, Climate Change and homophobia.

the best part of this video is how you show up that browser usage depends on user usage, i can't move away from firefox because the containers are a nice feature which i can't see myself without using it, but that is my case, epiphany may be the right answer to your needs even with the compromises, and move people to use new stuff in a better way, with less fanboy-ism in between

@deoxal7947

2 жыл бұрын

What do containers do for you? I use Firefox but only because Chromium forks hate old Nvidia GPUs. The bookmarks, history, and other parts of the UI are so bad.

@campfred007

2 жыл бұрын

This is my exact situation. I use containers to isolate browser sessions by subjects (work, personal life, projects, shopping, etc) and it enables me to get back the generic ads online that are thailored by where my IP addresses is rather than what I'm doing recently (hard to believe, but that is the form of ads I prefer). I did try a similar extension on Chromium, but it didn't work as well and it was paid. Even after unlocking the paid features, it still wasn't on par with Firefox's containers with assignations and stuff.

@Keyshooter

2 жыл бұрын

@Stewie Griffin this, i use it for both

@jotomato

2 жыл бұрын

Simple Tab Groups and containers. Can’t switch browser because of this.

@edstar83

2 жыл бұрын

Netscape for life.

I don't care about how a browser fits into my linux desktop, I want security, privacy, and good plugins/addons. Looks like Waterfox is a good alternative to Firefox. I would never use Microsoft Edge, even on Windows. I have to use Chrome at work, but would never use it at home.

@michaelhoule2134

2 жыл бұрын

I've used waterfox for years and I really like it. I'm a Windows 10 user. never had any problem with waterfox.

I've been using Vivaldi for the past 6 years (it was a buggy crashfest in 2016!), and it's great. Privacy, ad-blocking, tab-stacking, and runs great on Linux.

The interface is a bit too unorthodox for my personal liking but definitely some great features!

Vivaldi has many features, but when you first launch it you get a popup where you can select the bare minimum with a single click for it to be "just a browser"

@jovanzdravkovic5851

2 жыл бұрын

it is proprietary software, therefore it is instantly not a even an option for many, like myself

@BafroomHumor

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i don't think he was even giving it a serious look, seeing as how he ignored the first install page. I don't think he would have used it anyway but it's bit of a failed overview

@nathanwilliams8902

2 жыл бұрын

And on top of that you could just choose Vivaldi Essentials

@amisanthrope247

Жыл бұрын

@craig Why have a over-bloated browser full of sh*t you'll never use? _Some_ extensions are junk but I haven't found too many in Firefox that had problems. The extensions not recommended are where you might find a dud but you make it sound like a hopeless endeavor which it's not. Many people want everything to operate the way they want straight out of the box with no set-up but that also normally leaves them with few settings, options & choice. You are an iPhone user, aren't you? 😁

@liamburke4406

Жыл бұрын

​@Ankit I just tried and it works

While Firefox is and will remain my preferred browser, I actually use 7 browsers altogether. Some have specific purposes, but others are simply options when Firefox doesn't behave or I'm just seeking a change. Opera and Vivaldi are tied for second, Brave is for those times when I need the utmost in Privacy (with Tor as a backup), and I still have but rarely use Chrome (mainly because it's a Google product/engine).

I've been using Chromium for work because of the profiles. I need to have separated gmail accounts simultaneously. And I use Firefox for the rest. I've read that I can launch Firefox with different profiles from the CL. Is there any other way to do it? One that's more integrated with the browser. Thank you!

I'm still sticking with Firefox. I can configure it how I like. It's not another chromium wrapper and the syncing and integration across multiple machines and multiple platforms is very useful to me. Thank you, thank you Nick for pointing out the whole "censorship" thing is BS. That tired old complaint from people who can't read (like DistroTube) is so very annoying. Really enjoyed your evaluation process in this video. Looking forward to the follow-up!

@realtimestatic

2 жыл бұрын

@Linux Addict yeah! I’d rather have him not as one of the main KZreadrs representing the Linux community but unfortunately he is! And if people from the outside see some of the bs he said or done it might make the Linux community seem unfriendly

@noxiousophidian9634

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. But, whats the BS Distrotube is peddling? I have watched a couple of his videos, I haven't found anything controversial. I just checked out the Firefox isn't supporting a free internet video, BS I agree, but that was it.

@BlindRambler

2 жыл бұрын

DDG: Mozilla censorship Google will probably hide the post. And KZread is removing my posts.

@stephanhuebner4931

2 жыл бұрын

This test just proved to me that Firefox is the right choice (for me) as well. I don't see any dealbreaker yet, and more importantly I don't see a better choice.

@k4everut

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 DT has a right to express his opinion, that's true. Other also have the right to not watch his videos AND openly disagree with his rhetoric. He has a right to say what he wants to say, but he has no right to not be openly criticized for it.

I'm sad that you're leaving firefox. I'm sticking with it as it's the most mainstream non chromium browser, also, I use it since 2009. It get's my theme's colors in KDE (there's default theme, that picks colors according to system theme), I have some extensions, I use the sync, etc... I'd love firefox to get better, not worse, so it would get more people using it, otherwise, chromium will be basically the only web engine out there (relevant). And monopoly is never good...

@nicobzz1

2 жыл бұрын

Firefox use lot of memory, I also stopped using firefox and moved to chromium for that. I guess as google give money to firefox team (if I'm not wrong)they tell the firefox team to reduce or at least not improve the quality of firefox, By this way, lot of people will move to chrome, As users using chrome certainly bring more money to google than firefox, it's a good thing for google :)

@eyjzdrkxjqzfuhqyzybf

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicobzz1 Can you not spread disinformation you pulled straight out of your arse? You clearly don't know anything about the situation, why do you have to make stuff up? You obviously have internet access: use it to inform yourself about the situation instead of spreading lies. Thank you.

@nicobzz1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@eyjzdrkxjqzfuhqyzybf what things I told do you critiquize? If you criticize that I said that firefox used lot of memory, know that I started firefox, I watched the amount of memory used with about 20 tabs opened, the total system memory was about 3,5 GO, and in the same situation chrome used about 2GO, where as abuntu alone used about 1,3 GO. I do believe firefox use more memory. About what I told about google, it's an hypothesis, only and hypothesis, it's why I used the word "I guess"

@bootifulghost8624

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicobzz1 Dude you are spreading misinformation about "Google is telling Firefox what to do" (Yes, you are wrong). That's nonsense, atleast until proven otherwise.

@orkhepaj

2 жыл бұрын

does that make you sad? why ?

@ 2:42 : You couldn't be more wrong about Mitchell Baker's blog post. Not only did it speak positively of the deplatforming that occurred, it asked for MORE things to be done, such as "amplify factual voices" by default. Just because it also asked for transparency doesn't change that it condoned censorship and asked for the scales to be tipped to "authoritative sources" (which are just establishment sources with their own bias).

Hi Nick, here are the other options you could consider : - Braver (a fork of Brave that took out the extra bloat if you can still find it) - Librewolf (this one only lacks a Qt environement to pair with KDE) - Konqueror & Falkon (the 2 that match KDE) - GNU Icecat (it can only improves since it remain Freesoftware)

@azeram6335

Жыл бұрын

Librewolf is a must, but for some the hardening can be a problem, its block a lot of functions, but its nice for privacy, for Nick Waterfox sound a good option.

@PurpleKnightmare

11 ай бұрын

Looks like you have to build (compile) Braver, it is not hard to find.

@BhagwantRai654

11 ай бұрын

I love librewolf, works great on openbox

@comosaycomosah

11 ай бұрын

Oooh def making a braver Brower

I will stick with Firefox. Seems like times suck for them right now, but so far i didn't notice any negative impact on my browsing experience yet. I fear this is turning into a trend to switch to chrome reskins for no real reason. I hope it stops soon.

@treyquattro

2 жыл бұрын

moi aussi

@DFX2KX

2 жыл бұрын

some of it is disagreeing with Moz' data collection. Some of it is disagreeing with Moz' politics, and a bunch of it comes down to newer websites not rendering right.

@singleflake2

2 жыл бұрын

@Tidal Leaf Its so much cleaner than any Chromium browser when you set it up right.

@viper8908

2 жыл бұрын

Vivaldi is the only real Chromium-based contender to Firefox for me. I rely on customizability and features of Vivaldi which Firefox can't replicate (or can, with like 100 inefficient add-on workarounds), so to each their own. It's sad that it isn't open-source/Gecko-based because it appeals to "power users" which typically prefer FOSS. On another hand, Vivaldi fully open-sources its outdated versions; not the same thing, but you can look into that.

@singleflake2

2 жыл бұрын

@@viper8908 If i was forced to use a chromium based browser, id pick Vivaldi as well.

The days when Mozilla was a revolutionary „fighter for freedom“ are long gone.

Honestly for me Firefox is the perfect web browser. It just needs Chrome-style tab groups

good video say what was the name of the song at the end?

Sad :( I have been using Firefox for more than 15 years now. Even though the browser is not at the same level as it used to be even half a decade ago, I really can't see myself jumping ship anytime soon.

@parkerbohnn

2 жыл бұрын

The icon for Firefox is enough to make a grown man barf. Could they make a worse looking icon?

@giddycadet

2 жыл бұрын

@@parkerbohnn personally i love those semi-minimalist, colorful, gradient-filled icons. Edge has another great one.

Yes vivaldi can feel overwhelming at first but its worth it. The best part is that it allows you to start from very simple mode disabling all the advanced stuff like web panels, tiling, stacking. With the simple mode, it will feel like any other decent web browser and then you can just make your way up to some of the advanced things little by little. Everything is configurable to your needs and once you get it right for you, it really does boost up your overall productivity.

@milosmisic89

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Vivaldi takes time to learn it but once you do it's a heaven for people who like to customize their experiences. I used it for a while loved it. Mobile app is also good. Now I switched to Edge because of his lightweight performance but the mobile app leaves much to be desired.

@NormTurtle

2 жыл бұрын

@@milosmisic89 hey . edge is will not be good at option . try opera it has good performance too

@freelookmode9837

2 жыл бұрын

It's privacy policy and practices are a pile of shit though.

@Ben-li9zb

2 жыл бұрын

@craig Microsoft edge is essentially just a better chrome variant. Not great, but its simple, decently optimized, and it works if you don't care too much

@Ben-li9zb

2 жыл бұрын

@@freelookmode9837 fair, but tue only browsers that don't have that problem don't have the features I want

Problem with the Firefox is that sometimes it's not rendering in an intended way as developer of the site never tested it with the Firefox. It's rare, but it happens. This is the main reason I've switched to the Edge long ago (after it moved to Chromium).

My only beef with popular browsers is that they are ALL Chrome based and drain my RAM and crash my system.

There's also "LibreWolf", which is Firefox, but with all Mozilla stuff disabled and some other neat tweaks as well. It is, unlike WaterFox, very close to upstream. Although it is somewhat " aggressive" with it's changes, as things like DRM are also turned off by default.

@enkiimuto1041

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was surprised he didn't go for it.

@robertm20

2 жыл бұрын

I mean LibreWolf is basically just hardened Firefox out of the box

@vrl.

2 жыл бұрын

LibreWolf ftw

@blackmine57

2 жыл бұрын

Goint to check that, thanks !

@karibui494

2 жыл бұрын

The main issue for me is the lack of mobile app and sync options

5:13 I think it should be noted that Pale Moon resides in Windows XP territory because it aims to take over Windows XP era computers (that can't handle most of modern browsers)

@Blessed2bFresh

2 жыл бұрын

@Unleavened Eagle even on 64?

@bluebirdsigma

2 жыл бұрын

Male poon is a joke

@thelakeman2538

2 жыл бұрын

@Unleavened Eagle not anymore, though it supported it for a long time (mypal is based of it I believe)

@slowyourroll1146

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluebirdsigma how about Seamonkey?

"Another alternative"? * AN alternative.

This entire video is just his subconscious coming up with "reasons" for moving to a browser with pretty colors.

I want to see a resurgence in the development of Falkon. It has a lot of potential because the UI integrates well with KDE and has some features. Sadly, it looks like an abandoned project.

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that’s too bad!

@shaunreich

2 жыл бұрын

The ironic thing is, chrome (webkit) and safari (webkit) all came from KHTML which was a KDE project, years ago. So we gave KDE to thank for browsers being how far they are today

@ericbrunel8933

Жыл бұрын

Just had confirmation a few days ago via the Falkon mailing list that it is not a dead project. There is work being done on it, it just lacked a maintainer for some time, but it has now been integrated in KDE Gear and seems to be actively developed again. It will actually go from version 3.2.0 to version 22.08.something, because it switched to the "standard" KDE version format. And it's good news indeed because it is a great browser.

@josephdegarmo

Жыл бұрын

@@ericbrunel8933 Great. Now if we can get a dark mode for it like Dark Reader in Chrome and Firefox, that would be fantastic.

@ericbrunel8933

Жыл бұрын

@@josephdegarmo I was precisely asking on the mailing list about the Readability extension, that I couldn't get to work. Turns out it's written in Python, and Python-based Falkon extensions don't seem to be widely supported to say the least (they aren't working in my distro's Falkon version, and neither do they in the flatpak version or the snap version 🙄). But one the guys I talked to said it could be easily rewritten in QML - which is built-in and therefore supported everywhere - and that he'll try to do that in the near future. Didn't see it working, but my guess would be that it has some kind of dark reader mode, or at least that it could be easily modified to get one.

I can't live without Firefox. So many super useful cool addons that I completely depend on.

those are stupid reasons

Linux users should always support Firefox because they keep a healthy competition for Google chrome.

Personally, I just can't use a browser if it doesn't have tab stacking. Vivaldi is the only browser that has it afaik (not counting the Tree Tab Style extension). And the extra features aren't deal breaking at all. Most of them are useful and don't feel like bloat. Except for the email client and calendar.

@TheAkashicTraveller

2 жыл бұрын

To me it seems like tab stacking but it's actualy bookmarks in the backend would be the way to go. Anyway I just went looking and figured out how to turn the bookmarks toolbar on, I guess I'll see how that feels to use.

@Cavi587

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love Vivaldi. I've been supporting them for years now. Of course, it's not perfect, but personally I love exploring features in a browser. And as you said, all the extra stuff in Vivaldi doesn't seem like bloat. The performance is great and you can turn all the stuff you don't need off. I would call it more of a framework for the user to build the exact browser they need.

@MCLooyverse

2 жыл бұрын

Tab stacking? Is that vertical tabs? I use some Firefox extension other than Tree Style Tabs for that, at the moment (it just looks nicer to me), but native support for vertical tabs is something I would look for in a new browser.

@sbstratos79

2 жыл бұрын

@@MCLooyverse Vivaldi has 3 tab stacking styles. Compact, Two-Level and Accordion. In Vivaldi you can move the tab bar to all 4 sides of your screen, but that's unrelated to the tab stacking feature. As for the Tree Tab Style extension, I did mention it in my original comment. While it's convenient, I definitely prefer Vivaldi's native tab stacking.

@UpbeatRhythm

2 жыл бұрын

Chrome got tab groups a bit ago but it's nowhere near as useful as Vivaldi's imo

You forgot Pale Moon, this browser now also runs on Linux. It's my default browser on Windows, and I'm really happy with it. I love this old user interface. For me a browser has to look like Pale Moon.

@Mario583a

2 жыл бұрын

I think Firefox can also look like Pale Moon [ Aris-t2 /CustomCSSforFx ]

@akale2620

2 жыл бұрын

I see you are a man of culture as well

@Fabian-Wenzel

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mario583a I find this to be very time-consuming, secondly it is very difficult for people who have little idea what is under the hood of a browser. It's very technical for laypeople like me. It would be better for people to be able to make these changes via an EXE file. I don't see any reason to switch back to Firefox, even knowing I can do all the changes manually.

@re4796

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mario583a didn't think I'd find you here

I didn’t hear a word about adherence to legitimate standards. Firefox seems to do this. Google and Microsoft like to write their own standards first then adhere to them.

I recently switched to Brave. Firefox was blowing up, running slow, and blocked plug-ins...

This is like: I want to pick a wife, but I want her dress and makeup to match the color scheme of my house, I don't want her to know how to do too many things, and I'm concerned about how much will she gossip about me to her family 😂.

@Mikesco3

2 жыл бұрын

BTW I stick with brave for now...

@jstan5802

2 жыл бұрын

So basically the perfect solution is someone pretty, very good at housework but nothing else and always keep her mouth shut

@jemiebridges3197

2 жыл бұрын

Sooo, she's a conservative? Those exist.

@-r-3542

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mikesco3 Good choice but without universal bypass i cant use it.

@davidpetersonharvey

2 жыл бұрын

If you think a browser is like a wife, you have issues way beyond this video. ;-)

Had a few good laughs at this one, and was half expecting you would end up with the suckless browser or something similar 😁. I've been using Brave since the start of the year but not super happy with the experience. Browser is definitely a segment in need of "disruption".

@WildVoltorb

2 жыл бұрын

Surf from suckless just.. sucks

@fuseteam

2 жыл бұрын

if only surf actually did suck less lol

@thiagosannafreiresilva4366

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely, I meant I thought he would say that as a joke at the end.

@space0015

2 жыл бұрын

I was very impressed by brave. I wasn't by firefox except its ui

@Kiobao

2 жыл бұрын

I don't mind brave but if it had less bloat, I'd like it more.

When distro hopping isn't satisfying enough

What is your Linux Distro and how do I make it look like yours (center taskbar kind of like MacOs)? It looks nice.

@ent2220

2 жыл бұрын

Fedora

@KadekRegen

21 күн бұрын

it looks like he used KDE with theme installed. But be careful installing KDE theme, some themes has backdoor.

Well I mean it also demonstrates why Chrome is winning. It has the best performance over all and for most users, the native Google integration is actually a feature. Nobody can claim that just because they are far ahead in market share Google is cheaping out on the development of the engine.

@AcidiFy574

2 жыл бұрын

Until they get full control

@gabriel38g

2 жыл бұрын

it's fast if you have the Ram and resources to power it. Those of us with older computers find chrome crashy and buggy.

@Alias_Anybody

2 жыл бұрын

@@gabriel38g How old? I have hardware from 2013 with 8GB DDR3 and it runs fast and stable.

@dvanomaly420

2 жыл бұрын

@@AcidiFy574 I mean they completely dominate the mobile market, and that doesn't seem to have stopped them from trying to innovate in that space.

@gabriel38g

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alias_Anybody My Hardware is a year older, with 4GB but I haven't used chrome browser in six months because it was crashing every day.

3:22 see the thing is u shouldn’t tell people what’s false or what’s “proven”.

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

Well, yes. Because facts are a thing :) and they don’t say « remove everything », they say « lower priority »: not censorship

@Jay-wb7hw

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP Yes I agree there are facts. But people operating this are always gonna have a bias that drives them. You simply shouldn’t be allowed to prioritize people and label them on the internet just because they said something wrong. And the only time I’d be willing to accept this is if there is an unaffiliated unbiased non involved party that does this. There are a lot of things or groups in our society(not gonna mention names) today that are perceived to be “normal” or “facts” when in reality they aren’t. Someone running this could just mark a statement “non factual” just because the opposition said something against what is being perceived as “normal” or “accepted” today. Features like this are the gateway to 1984.

@ravibhaskar652

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP you mean censorship but for fewer peoples.

I am surprised that you looked at the Waterfox fork, but not the LibreWolf Fork

The song in the end is Twin Ngor - Hurt

A browser without DarkReader or something similar is a total no-go for me. I don't want any bright webpages anymore, even on the mobile browser.

@creepybeat

Жыл бұрын

same, best browser for this is Samsung browser (Android) you can force pages to go dark theme, or you can force even more by using the high contrast option.

Extension availability and support is a major need in my opinion. I would have included it in the rating system. I am keeping my eye on Librewolf as it could end up as the top fork of Firefox one day.

@slicedcube

2 жыл бұрын

what about waterfox?

@BluegrassGeek

2 жыл бұрын

@@slicedcube Waterfox's issues are covered in the video. Personally I just can't stick with it, especially having been sold off to another company I don't trust.

@ThomasNoname

Жыл бұрын

Chrome is planning to remove browser extension support, so i guess that will make people migrate to Firefox, hopefully. but I don't have my hopes up, normies after all.

Adblock (specifically in KZread) and privacy are the things I care about. Something would have to be downright ugly before I'd reject it on appearance grounds. As long as it looks reasonably pleasant ON ITS OWN (not re: how it "integrates" with anything), then that's fine.

Firefox is the last frontier of privacy and an open internet, their latest update 109.0.1 has made it far better. When Firefox dies the internet does too, doesn't take a lot of reading to figure out why.

Thank you for bringing up the issues with Firefox. It used to be a much easier on system resources but now, under certain loads, it uses more resources than Chrome. I have been in the same boat as you Nick. Glad you made this video!

@dhanarputra555

Жыл бұрын

This is why I left Firefox, not really faster than Chrome but somehow eating RAM like no tomorrow

I will also stick to Firefox, I do not have any important issues with it and, for me, Firefox's speed it more than enough.

@stephanhuebner4931

2 жыл бұрын

I think the "lack" of speed in Firefox compared to other browers is a hopelessly overblown issue. I bet 99 percent of users wouldn't notice a difference in their daily usage from one browser to the other.

@stifflery

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephanhuebner4931 Exactly! Also, the Latest 94 version is dramatically super smooth somehow. I don't think there is any noticeable difference as compared to Chrome. Reason for this is Firefox moved to a newer and better GUI framework - EGL, instead of old OpenGL, for all platforms. It does need a supported graphics for that. Nvidia's latest graphics driver 470.82.00 started to support EGL's 'EGL_NV_robustness_video_memory_purge' extension that is used by Firefox. I am just supper happy with Firefox. Edit: my bad, It's, "...EGL, instead of old GLX..".

@morningstar2219

2 жыл бұрын

i love firefox on dekstop, but not when it comes to the laptop, because doesn't have native capabilites for back and next the page using touchpad gestures.

Is there any way to undo Firefoxes latest updates or reload the older version. I'm in the process of uninstalling firefox and they make it extremely difficult.

"Firefox hides telemetry in the settings and doesn't inform users about it" - but can it still be disabled? (a genuine question, I'm new to... a lot of things)

You forgot Falkon. Webkit based, QT based, fits nicely into your KDE desktop.

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s not maintained anymore

@Wazhai

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, Falkon hasn't had a new release since March 2019. It's not a viable choice.

@The_Lawnmower_Man

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wazhai Update (from later than that comment): Falkon 3.2.0 was released on January 31, 2022.

What about LibreWolf?

@igorthelight

2 жыл бұрын

LibreWolf = Waterfox + a little bit more privacy -- AccountSync

What ia the distro you use?

LibreWolf is my absolute favourite Firefox-based Non-Chrome browser. It's just perfect.

@RalphInRalphWorld

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's a long-term solution though. As mainline Firefox development dries up, so will its derivatives.

@clocked0

2 жыл бұрын

@@RalphInRalphWorld Isn't that the point of FOSS? That anybody can contribute good, clean code for the benefit of everyone using the software, so that it never truly "dies"? I find the idea of relying purely/solely on an upstream corporation with a profit incentive to maintain free software to be utterly horrifying

@RalphInRalphWorld

2 жыл бұрын

@@clocked0 I agree in theory. The issue is that web standards are a moving target, and maintaining browsers requires a lot of dedicated engineers. I am not convinced that a rag-tag team of skilled volunteers can substitute Firefox's resources and keep such a large project up to date. I'd love to be proven wrong. I really do, but I don't think it will happen.

Librewolf and ungoogled chromium also good options.

@wewantthefunk73

2 жыл бұрын

I'm using libre wolf now. So far, so good. I want to use it for a full month before I make a decision. I'm coming from brave.

@Pro720HyperMaster720

2 жыл бұрын

What’s the difference between Ungoogled Chromium and SRWare Iron

@yoman9446

2 жыл бұрын

ungoogled chromium has more vulnerabilities than regular chromium

@valentinidk6101

2 жыл бұрын

@@yoman9446 How's that?

@HairEEck

2 жыл бұрын

@@valentinidk6101 updates are pushed later in the ungoogled version

That shell theme looks great, what is it called?

This week I switched from Chrome to FireFox, because it bothered me that Chrome made a very intrusive bar appear below indicating that one is downloading files. In FireFox it is more discreet and there is simply an icon above that indicates that a file is being downloaded, which does not bother visually in any way.

Even if it's slower on Linux, I keep using Firefox because none of the Chromium based browser manages to satisfy me (despite being faster)

Vivaldi is great actually. It's a browser for powerusers. But everything can be disabled, you even get an option for that during the first launch. The minimal option looks just like any other browser. I understand your point though. Myself I'm a fan of browsers with multiple built in features, but it might be overwhelming if you love simplicity.

Ironically Im using Windows and watching your video with chrome but Im interested in linux to give it a try. If you are kind enough would you plz tell me which linux distro you are using?

@KenJackson_US

Жыл бұрын

In a different video he had high praise for Fedora.

@dgemon3476

Жыл бұрын

@@KenJackson_US Thanks Bro

Fascinating video: thanks! I'm also a very long time linux user, and for at least 3 years can simply hit the "print screen" button on my keyboard. Then i can choose to take a screenshot of the entire screen, the active window, or define an area to copy. (Linux mint 17.. 21). Keep the videos coming!

@udance4ever

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure he's referring to capturing a scrolling screenshot which I find really useful to capture a multi-page web page

I use brave

Demat Nick 😊, I am a loooooong (since Netscape -> Firefox transition) time Firefox user so I maybe be biased but notwithstanding your critics on the graphical integration I have done a clean install of FF 94.0 and the telemetry was off by default as well as no Pocket extension was installed. Which version did you use for the test ? Thanks

What I found strange when I first time encountered Pocket is the fact that I couldn't choose the news sites for news that are shown.

What distribution are you running?

Frankly it makes me sad to see what Firefox becomes... For me, Mozilla is focusing too much on politics instead of a powerful browser. I still use Firefox (and thinderbird), but I try to use more and more Epiphany

@MadsterV

2 жыл бұрын

@Delsur27 Everything is politics if you want it to be. Many of us don't.

@parkerbohnn

2 жыл бұрын

Firefart and thunderturd?

@MrGamelover23

2 жыл бұрын

Mozilla doesn't even support thunderbird anymore, haven't for years now.

@lhommedelapampa9730

2 жыл бұрын

@Delsur27 I don't agree! Websites can be political but not tools. When I buy a screwdriver, I don't necessarily need them to give me a lecture. I want to know how it's produced, but that's it.

@ratatatuff

2 жыл бұрын

@@MadsterV No. Everything is politics from the start. The only thing you can do is bury your head in the sand and choose ignorance. But if you do that you shouldn't be angry at people who don't.

vivaldi is my personal favorite. It can be as simple, or as feature packed as you want. And at this point I don't think I can go without tab stack feature.

Firefox performance in my computer is very faster than those all, it's sad to see a private compromised browser like this falling into oblivion

Basically the whole point of the video 14:47 Nothing mattered, he just wanted something fresh.