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@pixl_xip

Жыл бұрын

Wait what? 7h ago?

@MickenCZProfi

Жыл бұрын

I actually hate Startpage because its slow and that it could be improved, so I messaged them with how and with other feature requests. They totally ignored most my emails and only replied to one (telling me that displaying the math widget when adding decimal numbers with decimal commas instead of points is a good idea) and that they will forward it to the devs and they will implement it. This was probably over a year ago and a query of "1,2 + 5,4" still doesn't work. This customer service is awful.

@OPIXdotWORLD

Жыл бұрын

good show THANX.. i have been pushing the googe searchs right to the limit and they lie EVERY time about total number of returns for any search... eg it will say "35,000,000 result" and if u scroll down to advance the page to next, goto END, and do it till u get to page 50... there is never a page 50...!! and only ever 50-500 actual results. WTF..??!!!!

@weltsiebenhundert

Жыл бұрын

So you now use Firefox with Ecosia? Or is there now an Browser Ecosia with Ecosia Search engine?

@BlumkinFPS

Жыл бұрын

ja ichform du und dann bin ich schaus ich bin halt so und so t überhaupt dass du mir das nicht gut findest und wenn dann lust das ich hab mich schon so viel zeit wie du bist du hast du dann noch was anderes hast du dir ja voll die augen und dann hast du das schon so gemacht ich bin so stolz dass das alles so geht ich glaub du kriegst das du magst du bist so ne kleine und gute nacht hast es so schön dich auch nicht zu sehen dass ich mich so lieb und dass ich das so lieb ich weiß viel zu machen ich hab mich auch nicht

I’ve settled with the fact that 1 search engine isn’t enough. You gotta search the same things on different engines to turn up different results.

@TheLinuxEXP

Жыл бұрын

That's also a good idea!

@UlfRompe

Жыл бұрын

That's where a meta search engine like searx/searxng makes your life easy. For every hit it shows exactly which of your configured search engines delivered it, and yes, it's surprising how often Google is not in the list.

@StiekemeHenk

Жыл бұрын

That's why I love FireFox so much! Just have Google as a backup in HTML only mode! Perfection.

@blackpirate8748

Жыл бұрын

@@UlfRompe it gets slow, and most of the time you dont need all different search engines

@sm_stormzy1075

Жыл бұрын

Searx

Privacy aside, The Duck Duck Go search results have been so poor lately, I find myself resorting back to Google when looking for technical stuff. Not supporting(or rather ignoring) the -,+ (exclude, require) operators really hurts Duck Duck Go. Will definitely try out Ecosia

@CMSonYT

Жыл бұрын

duckduckgo was good a couple possibly as little back as two years ago. Of course, nothing beats 2000s or at least early 2000s era google search.

@fumanchu4785

Жыл бұрын

@@CMSonYT Well, metacrawlers did. Searchin' Google, Fireball, Yahoo and other relevant engines at the same time, bringing better results!

@SayAhh

Жыл бұрын

The MS link might be why when i search for the keyword "news," Google News never comes up.

@kiillabytez

7 ай бұрын

Maybe learn to use proper search etiquette?

I remember trying Ecosia out years ago because I liked their mission, but never switched to them completely. But wow, they've come a long way. Guess it's time to switch.

@miguelguthridge

Жыл бұрын

Piggybacking on this to say that another great thing is that their financials are completely transparent, which is a huge plus for any not-for-profit organisation

@sabinelemon

Жыл бұрын

Yesssss so true :))

@pumpkinjutsu1249

Жыл бұрын

Definitely a time to switch, they changed their design to a new one. I personally liked the old look and feel, but the new one is good too and the results are great too.

@Amiska5v5

Жыл бұрын

Maybe if they get a nice dark mode or customize options like DDG

@pumpkinjutsu1249

Жыл бұрын

@@Amiska5v5 you can use dark reader for that

Im rooting for Ecosia myself, the bing backend is a little bit concerning but the tree planting is a very noble cause and quite successful at that.

@thenujansandramohan8930

Жыл бұрын

@@a.s.239 But the problem is i'm too lazy to actually do anything by my self

@nataestanislaubastos7637

Жыл бұрын

@@thenujansandramohan8930 then don't act like you care

@Tywele

Жыл бұрын

"rooting" :D (ecosia is great, have been using it for a few years now)

@spoonikle

Жыл бұрын

@@a.s.239 Bing used to actually be good privacy wise in the past. like, 2016ish So what changed?

@spoonikle

Жыл бұрын

@@a.s.239 How? i know I can do some guerrilla botany and spread native plants and stuff… but its actually illegal. I have tried volunteering but every local group within 40 miles is spending most of their time recruiting and fund raising, the best is my local park maintaining group… but thats mostly cutting down rotted trees and clearing paths… hardly much of an impact, yet I still show up to keep the trails cleen. I don’t “own” any land, any effort I could make to “help” more than “ecosia” in a day are technically illegal. You can say - go vegan, bike to work, etc. etc. - but if im ticking a bunch of eco boxes… might as well search with ecosia and donate to ecology restoration projects directly.

One of the reasons Duck Duck Go did not disclose the Microsoft trackers and cookies was because it was under contract not to do so. What's to say that other Bing or Google based search engines are not under the exact same contract? They would not be allowed to disclose, so we are none the wiser.

@Philipp..

Жыл бұрын

Well the tracker part had nothing to do with their search engine but with their anti-tracking tool and I don't think these other search engines provide something like that.

@softwarelivre2389

Жыл бұрын

Wait, why would any company sign a contract with Microsoft that forces said company to do false propaganda in exchange for profit? And why should we trust such company?

@kamathln

Жыл бұрын

Such type of contracts must themselves be made illegal

@squidbeard492

Жыл бұрын

I doubt they had to include the "false propaganda" clause. They simply did something against their promises. Same as every dirty politician has

@matthewsjardine

Жыл бұрын

@@Philipp.. I think you are right, it was something with their browsers and extension. I don't think it was the search engine.

Keep your favorite search engine as the home page, then your second favorite as the default search engine when you search in the url. That way you have two quick options to choose from.

If SearX/Slow is slow then you've checked search engines that are slow. Deselect the slow ones and you're speedy again.

@StiekemeHenk

Жыл бұрын

@@darktoaster69 good point!

You haven't mentioned the French one, Qwant. It's the one I've been using for a few years now. I don't know whether it'd suit you, but you can have a look ☺️ They have some advance image search, but I never use then so I don't know how good it is.

@ericbrunel8933

Жыл бұрын

There has been a lot of controversy around Qwant which are quite known here in France, and maybe Nick - who is French - has heard enough of it to discourage him to even consider it as an option. Qwant seems to spend way more time and money lobbying around their supposed "private" and "local" aspects to get public subventions and to force people in French administrations to use it, than they spend building an actually working search engine. After years of existence, a few articles have basically proven that Qwant is still not much more than a thin layer around Bing when they were supposed to build their own index. I personally used it for years because I wanted to encourage them, but I found the quality of the search results to be less and less acceptable. Not to mention the latest graphical changes which turned them into one of the ugliest website I know of today... Seeing all of this, I gave up on them and switched to Brave search, whose search results - even in French! - honestly put Qwant to shame...

@kf9928

Жыл бұрын

@@ericbrunel8933 I am currently using it and am not to happy with Qwant. So this is good to know. I guess I might also switch to Ecosia too. But Nick should have definitely mentioned it.

@fgsaramago

Жыл бұрын

Qwant has an awful privacy policy. They straight out tell you they might share basically anything they want with microsoft

@DarkLink606

Жыл бұрын

On top of all that has been said, Qwant geoblocks itself for users in countries it allegedly "is not ready for serving", it won't even let you try. The only way to circumvent is changing your IP, but why bother?

@georginamcewan8846

Жыл бұрын

I used Qwant for a bit and the site was down frequently.

I think the structure of trustworthiness, efficacy and feature-completeness we see in search engines today is kind-of dictated by economic forces and would approximately re-emerge were it disturbed. One thing we haven't had (?) since Altavista is the killer combo of strict full-text substring search (no AI, no spellcheck) and boolean operator nesting. These were an absolute godsend for avoiding SEO and other bad results that plague the here's-magically-what-you-wanted-but-not-what-you-asked-for engines we have now. Yes it could be a bit of a process to get where you were going but if it existed in the index, you could find it with those features. Hmm, sorry, off-topic rant... guess I'm still bitter.

@____-gy5mq

Жыл бұрын

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@TheExileFox

Жыл бұрын

hence why it's not "SEO Optimization" that is done today, it's "SEO Pollution"

I personally don’t mind Brave, I don’t care for the crypto stuff and just turn it off. I like the fact that they have their own engine, and have publicly stated that they don’t downrank based on politics. By using their search engine, it actively improves it, and if I really don’t like the results I just bang startpage.

@safariknight3239

Жыл бұрын

you do what to startpage- (I need help lmao)

@robonator2945

Жыл бұрын

tbh I don't get people's issue with crypto. Sure NFTs are cringe and some people use it for sketch, but at it's core it's just a good technology. Hammers are also a good technology, and they can also be used for bad things by bad people. BAT is used to actively support privacy conscious creators, not make money as a scam currency. It's using crypto for something meaningful, not just as a buzz word or to feel special.

@bandito241

Жыл бұрын

@@robonator2945 if someone don’t care about crypto or NFT why should they have that option on, if they are not going to use it?

@KunalKumar-dz4kb

Жыл бұрын

@@bandito241 If a person doesn't care about it they just turn it off on the first start they'll never have to do it again.

@keilmillerjr9701

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is so huge. I can't believe Nick refuses to mention anything about the reason people are seeking alternatives to google, and at the same time holds his breath on yand*x. What other biases will we get? Thank you for sharing your comment. The only issues I have with brave, the chrome based browser doesn't have a native gtk look, and sometimes the search engine is slow. Hence having a backup. I will use and support a company that complies with not curating and cens0ring content.

The only problem with ecosia is that when I search for something, I don’t like staring into the sun. I need dark mode

I’m still using DDG(search results are good for me both in English and Italian) but I like that you chose Ecosia! Also, I wouldn’t see a negative as “it uses Bing servers which are not carbon neutral” but more of a positive like “instead of using JUST Bing I’m using its search index to also help the planet a bit through Ecosia” Would be better if they had their own index and servers using green energy and stuff but even using Bing through them is better than nothing imho :)

@quazar-omega

Жыл бұрын

Is it only me or do you also get Spanish results in DDG when you search in Italian sometimes? I don't know if it's because in those cases the words just happen to exist in Spanish as well, but it really doesn't make sense to me

@Zszywek

Жыл бұрын

Isn't Ecosia using Bing as well?

@agoniavr

Жыл бұрын

@@Zszywek it is, but as I pointed at least using Bing through Ecosia you're helping the planet if you click some ads. If you're using "just Bing" you're not, so every Bing query that you do through Ecosia instead of Bing should be better than just using Bing alone.

@agoniavr

Жыл бұрын

@@quazar-omega it never happend to me to be honest, but it might be because I also set my usual search location as "Italy"(the first option on the left under the search results) and disable it only when writing in english and searching for international results

@quazar-omega

Жыл бұрын

@@agoniavr oh, I see, I never did that since I search in both languages on a daily basis, I guess I'll have to set it when searching in Italian then, thank you

I'm confused. DuckDuckGo and Ecosia share the same Bing backend. So shouldn't the quality of results be almost identical? While I greatly appreciate this video and the work you put into it, I'd be interested in a more quantitative/objective comparison when it comes to result quality.

@foxdk

4 ай бұрын

I was thinking this the entire way through... First he goes on about how DDG results are awful, and how he can't live with it. Next he praises Ecosia for their awesome results. Both sites gets their results from Bing. It does not make any sense.

Sadly, since 2021, Ecosia is Cloudflared, and therefore useless from the privacy point of view, or for people that use Tor. Their claim to fame has been planting trees for every 45 searches (that's an average) you make using their service - but this, of course, relies on Bing ads being displayed (and I doubt it can counter the rampant deforestation, anyway). It's not very private by default - For example, when you do a search on Ecosia we forward the following information to our partner, Bing: IP address, user agent string, search term, and some settings like your country and language setting. However, it claims to respect the DNT header: If you have "Do Not Track" enabled in your browser settings we do not collect any analytics data. Most other websites ignore this setting - we think users should have a choice. Is the IP address apart of analytics data? Depending on how literally the DNT information is interpreted.

@wlonsdale1

Жыл бұрын

How do we know they actually do that?

@robbiejames1540

4 ай бұрын

"I doubt it can counter the rampant deforestation, anyway" not with that attitude! If they had Google's market share, deforestation would be over in years.

I took a look at Ecosia's site and this was the first thing they say about privacy : "We don’t store your searches permanently We don’t create personal profiles of you based on your search history. We actually anonymize all searches within one week." A week? Why not a day or hour.

@Winnetou17

Жыл бұрын

Depends on what "anonymize all searches" mean. The thing is, it might be something computationally expensive to do it on the fly and for a single item at a time, and having a process that runs in paralel and does it in bulk might be better. Of course, it can run, like you said, every hour or every day. Depends on how it works. It might be a workload that has to pass through every ... something, and that might take a whole day, and scale slowly based on the amount of traffic or links fetch or whatever. So it's something like it takes a day to run on very light weeks and two days to run on very busy weeks. Or it might be simply that it runs on some databases or indices that are offloaded, that is they're not the current databases anymore, and that switch occurs once every week.

@rohanofelvenpower5566

Жыл бұрын

@@Rivanni maybe they grab weekly statistics anonymously? global searching trends, etc.

@piface3016

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Ecosia is not private at all. We have no clue what they do with your data in that one week of *non-anonymized* storage, and if they give it to Bing then it's as bad as using Google. And they do in fact give it to Bing. If you go to Ecosia's site and click on "Privacy" (I can't link because KZread deletes comments with links), they say the following: "For example, when you do a search on Ecosia we forward the following information to our partner, Bing: IP address, user agent string, search term, and some settings like your country and language setting." This is even if you have "Do Not Track" enabled. I don't know what's up with this channel recommending closed source software so much, in another video I saw him talking naturally about using Steam, in another one about bringing Linux to the mainstream one of his main points was "It would be great to make Photoshop and other Adobe software available on Linux"... At this point you've gotta ask, why even use Linux?

@Electrodexify

Жыл бұрын

@@piface3016 While also berating Brave and not explaining as to why he doesn't like the company, just because it's in the Crypto market. Aren't most companies that look towards the future adopting crypto?

@lifelover69

Жыл бұрын

@@Electrodexify >"not explaining as to why he doesn't like the company" - "because it's in the Crypto market" that's literally the explanation

Surprised you didn't mention Qwant especially since it's made in France

@TheLinuxEXP

Жыл бұрын

Company seems shady, and employees seems very unhappy there

Look up Trey Grainger and the project he's working on, he wrote the book on this stuff.

@jarediseli8688

Жыл бұрын

Is this trey from presearch? If yes, absolute brilliant guy

I love ecosia! I always use it and it's amazing! The only thing I wish they had was a dark mode and better cards (like dictionary definitions being at the top instead of under ads or a stock page) but they've done a lot with those recently, so hopefully they'll get as good as googles.

Many thanks for the upload, I've been waiting for this one!!

YACY is a decentralized search engine that is worth checking.

@anarcho.pacifist

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty good, but it uses way too much storage space and computer resources.

Interestingly, i trust more in Brave with their openness about their integrated crypto. Its just that, in these days, 'Free' doesn't really exists. Every browser has to get money from some source. And honestly, with Brave being so open about their crypto stuff makes me not wonder about all the shady stuffs that could go in the background to earn the money. I can trust that they earn money from their crypto and not from my data, which i can't say from about basically any other browser that does not makes me clear how they earn their upkeep fee.

I've been using Ecosia for over a year now, and it's honestly a great search engine. I love the tree planting cause, which was the main reason for me to use it, I also use a phone company that donates its profits to environmental causes. I think this is a great way to help the planet out, because it doesn't really cost anything, but it makes a big difference!

i've been using brave engine since it started and its really good. I rarely need to use google for something very spesific if it doesn't show up on brave

@senritsujumpsuit6021

Жыл бұрын

I use searx for my search engine inside brave

Am using Ecosia for months and the only things that I didn't like were: those 'bangs' aren't known to most people due to it being only displayed in one of its support/FAQ pages, and because it doesn't have many snippets as Google Search and Brave Search. Also, it took a very long while for then to add a dark mode (they added it in the past 6 months), even though people were asking it a for a long time

Great walk through of some great search engines and your thoughts. Right now I'm on startpage, but I will get ecosia now, just to see the difference 👍🙂

Be weary guys: Google hates, like, _REALLY_ hates competition. Mentioning some of the pages in this video will trigger KZread to silently delete your comments after about a minute of them being online. Gotta love this free internet of ours.

@jojoyoustudio

Жыл бұрын

I hate that, they also delete my comments here. I was trying to write about my search engine that he can try.

@Finkelfunk

Жыл бұрын

@@jojoyoustudio They do that all the time. This isn't them being weird, this is them being deliberate. There are less controversial things like search pages that get deleted, but also extremely important topics like the first cyber weapon's name that will get your comment sudoku'd. They actually stay up for about a minute, then just disappear into the ether. So they must want you to think your comment was actually posted and forget about it while silently removing it a minute later. I mean their algorithm checks comments immediately for certain banned words and phrases, there is no other reason why they'd do it like this if that wasn't what they are after. They could just not let you post them but that would make it all too easy to figure out banned words. They even retroactively flag and remove edits of comments. This company is a god damn joke.

@jojoyoustudio

Жыл бұрын

@@Finkelfunk Yea, I was here with 26 like on video. Posted comment and thinking I am here almost first, then they deleted it, and I am like. I hope he will read my new comment because it is quite late. Edit: sorry for other comments XD

@b_uppy

Жыл бұрын

Interesting! I just did that elsewhere and the whole thread disappeared...

@anarcho.pacifist

Жыл бұрын

It happened to two of my comments so far, for mentioning a search engine that starts with "pre" and ends with "search".

Quite happy that ecosia is doing good. Uded it for few years now. Had some problems when I searched something very unique issue in coding for example but mostly never had a issue except the missing dark mode. Thanks for the good video. It was very interesting to see how the others perform in a comparison

I've been using Ecosia for a while. Like, since before I knew your channel existed, which I'm pretty sure I subscribed in 2014 or so. I found out about Ecosia when it was announced in 2009, and after looking into it and making sure it wasn't a passing thing and would stick around, I started using it in late 2010 or early 2011. I still sometimes hop back to Google or Brave search every now and then, the latter when using the browser. My browser of choice on all platforms is Vivaldi, but sometimes I setup Brave or Falkon for amnesiac usage or for separation of info for others using my computer.

There is LILO too. A French search engine: Sorry for non French users, I explain how it works, I don’t think this engine is a good solution for you: *Avec Lilo les recherches ne servent pas à planter des arbres mais on collecte des gouttes d’eau. Ces gouttes d’eau peuvent être reversées à des associations de votre choix pour financer leurs projets.*

@jimmyrichards5595

Жыл бұрын

I use LILO in the late 90's and early 2000's... in order to boot into my linux installation. The Linux Loader! 🙂

@theviniso

Жыл бұрын

Qwant is French as well, isn't it?

@stormtrooper3455

Жыл бұрын

@@theviniso yes it is. It's based on bing. It doesn't have a lot of success in france.

@stormtrooper3455

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmyrichards5595 😀 that boot loader still exists

Hi Nick, you didn't mention Qwant, you don't like it or never tried? It's a french search engine

@rolf8064

Жыл бұрын

Can you choose which project to support? Some few are questionnable.

@TheLinuxEXP

Жыл бұрын

The revent employee leaks paint a bad picture of Qwant :/

@belgarathlesorcier8385

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP oh ok I didn't know anything about that...

DDG has shitty results even in English. Brave search keeps surprising me how good it is.

I remember hearing about Ecosia long ago but I'm glad theyve improved their search engine over the years. I tried it out back when it was relatively new and found it wasnt good enough for me, however with this video I can tell they've really made strides to improve it and so I think I'll also switch from Duckduckgo to Ecosia, thanks for the info!!

Bro we had the same idea I guess lol just set up my own Whoogle instance. If anything on the internet is personal, it's our internet searches. Feels like the kind of thing that should be self-hosted.

@Electrodexify

Жыл бұрын

Presearch also I'd self hosted and partially hosted by the company, in surprised Nick hasn't mentioned anything about this search engine.

I am with Ecosia for a while now, although at first, I had to switch to Google once in a while for very specific searches (especially related to coding / technical matters), but I find that lately, I switch to Google very very seldom. In terms of privacy, I have to admit that I did not dig into the topic, but from your video, I feel right. Funnily enough, my G Suite stopped the unlimited plan about the same time and that lead me to also abandon Google drive to the profit of a private Nextcloud hosted at home and Google Photo was also abandoned also to the profit of Nextcloud (looking into Photoprism in complement), so, I am slowly leaving the big tech.

I'm agreed with your word on DDG. It defeats whole purpose using Duck Duck Go for privacy if you still end up using Google half of the times.

@luisnabais

Жыл бұрын

Don’t search in google. Search in startpage if needed.

@duckrinium

Жыл бұрын

@@luisnabais My comment is about DDG. Startpage here is irrelevant.

@luisnabais

Жыл бұрын

@@duckrinium actually it is relevant. If you don’t like the ddg results and end up using Google, just use ddg with the startpage bang when needed.

@duckrinium

Жыл бұрын

@@luisnabais I'm talking about using one main search engine to always bang to the google. Your solution sounds more like "Don't use this, use X", when I never asked for one. I do understand what you mean but I was talking about DDG and not how to fix it.

What about Qwant? They are privacy oriented and French!

Hi nick I’m using Qwant and ecosia. Both of them are good for me. I’m doing my search in French English and polish. What’s about Qwant? It’s French base. Enjoy and thanks

@WildVoltorb

Жыл бұрын

Qwant has blocked my country, for some weird reason. I think it only works on europe

@madthumbs1564

Жыл бұрын

@@WildVoltorb They do localised search results. I doubt it's blocked so much as unsupported at the moment.

@JoelFeila

Жыл бұрын

@@WildVoltorb I use it in the usa

@user-qj9ye1uv8g

Жыл бұрын

qwant is good but God the new redesign they did some months back is absolutely awful

Great work 🥳 Thank you 💜

Why did you forget Qwant ? Did they do something wrong ? It's super efficient. You can choose to search as French, british etc... The image search is awesome with type of ile, licence etc... I always easily find docs, tech discussions, as well as more ordinary things like gaming or news stuff.

@masterbuck

Жыл бұрын

Enough controversy with Qwant to put me off forever! The articles are many and quite concerning…

@JauStudioFR

Жыл бұрын

@@masterbuck Like ?

@anarcho.pacifist

Жыл бұрын

Also left out Presearch.

@Electrodexify

Жыл бұрын

@@anarcho.pacifist agreed, Presearch is a unique one and plus it's decentralized, I run several self hosted instances

Too bad Nick aroused mixed feelings about the "dark side" of Brave. In spite of everything, I think I will continue sticked, both browser and search engine, 'cause they work fine for me and I usually don't think what the company is doing backstage (until I saw Nick's video). If the crypto stuff gets even darker, maybe it's good to keep Ecosia in mind.

What's Brave search like on a computer compared to the mobile version? I couldn't use it on Brave browser on my phone because despite having safe search, I was still getting adult websites, image and video results filtering through as top results. On my computer, I still update the hosts file, and have antisocial to add any strays, but startpage can sometimes leave me very frustrated, but is much better at blocking adult content from the results.

Thanks a lot Merci beaucoup for presenting Ecosia to us. The Vivaldi browser has it in their search engine list but I never bothered to try it out. Now thanks to you I have set it as my default.

I 've been using searx. Theres a firefox addon called libredirect that has a "test latency" function. Finding a consistent and fast instance results in significantly faster searches than a random searx instance. Also, deselect engines that are slow on searx helps with speed. Personally I hardly search images so the disadvantage mentioned in the video does not affect me much.

That's smart youtubing right here. You're making content while basically making content (testing new search engine while creating other videos). Brilliant!

Very helpful I appreciate it thanks so much🎉

Brave has created there own fully fledged functional enviroment it's really comfortable

@madthumbs1564

Жыл бұрын

Plus they make it easy to help fund hate and other ridiculous religious dark ages crap.

@fgsaramago

Жыл бұрын

@@madthumbs1564 it was in the dark ages that people were "cancelled" for their beliefs....

Thanks a lot for your lot of info!

Ecosia seems a good choice,i'll try It,thanks for your video.

>Propaganda websites Well, alrighty then. No bias here.

@TheLinuxEXP

Жыл бұрын

Website that report flagrant fake news are propaganda

@derram0k

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP Except that's not all that was deranked, and you know that. It is a very convenient excuse, tho, because then you can just pretend it's "the bad guys." And when will this be applied to American media outlets, who operate under the assumption that if they all make a flagrantly false claim it becomes truth?

Ecosia est peut-être un bon moteur de recherche (normal, c’est Bing) mais il a malheureusement pour moi toutes les caractéristiques du greenwashing : - lié à une grosse compagnie qui a intérêt à ne pas changer son modèle (même si j'admet que Microsoft n'est pas le pire des géants) - « on plante des arbres » est une solution naïve et simpliste à un problème multi-factoriel surtout qu’on voit beaucoup de critiques émerger. Les grandes questions sont : est-ce de la monoculture d’arbres ? Des indigènes ont-ils été privés de leurs terres pour planter des arbres ? Last Week Tonight a consacré un épisode sorti cette semaine justement sur le greenwashing. - Sur ce point : toutes leurs actions sont en dehors de leur pays où est leur siège social : l’Allemagne. Ca pue le néo-colonialisme où il faut aller aider les « pauvres moins civilisés ». - On met du vert partout et « pouf », c’est écolo. C’est une technique marketing basique qui n’a aucun sens si les intentions ne sont pas suivies de faits clairement montrés. - C’est une société commerciale, c’est clairement dit sur leur page wikipédia donc à garder en tête.

@grimtermite191

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I have heard that many companies that “plant trees” (not necessarily ecosia) will fund the planting of these trees but after that no care is taken of them and they are left to die, then the next company can “plant trees” on the same land

@FunkeyPhysicsMonkey

Жыл бұрын

The channel "Our changing climate" did a video on Ecosia and they had concerns, but overall said that their is more potential benefit than harm with using it so while it wont save the world or plant nearly enough trees, it still is likely better than most if not all search engines on the environment and does do some good

@robbiejames1540

4 ай бұрын

These issues (greenwashing by planting random trees that will die) are answered on ecosia's website. They don't do this, and have no skin in the greenwashing game, anyway (as they are not for profit, literally their whole purpose is planting trees).

I use firefox and startpage (because they mostly mirror google results). works fine👌

I've been using "your final choice" for a year or two and it's been good with English, German and image searches.

Another option is Qwant. For me, the greatest advantage is that they're completely European.

I'm using SearxNG - and find its image search tools to be good. The performance improved when I moved the hosting from the computer on my desk to a cloud server.

DDG Lost a lot of people when they stated that they were gonna censor some searches

If ddg and ecosia both use bing, what is different between the results?

@rafalg87

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is a little confusing.

hi, what's the distro you use and the browser ? they look interesting

@TheLinuxEXP

Жыл бұрын

Fedora and Firefox!

appreciate info, thanks

Hey, Nick, yandex is pretty good search engine, it saved me many times while looking for technical solutions

@MaloryHovell

Жыл бұрын

I did not even imagine that yandex used outside of russia.

@TheLinuxEXP

Жыл бұрын

It's Googlle, but in Russia, all you do goes straight back to them, and probably the Russian government

@solidhyrax

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP You could have just mentioned that in the video.

@2EXTREME2008

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP it took me WAY too long to find this explanation. I still appreciate the video nonetheless, but i was genuinely really confused as to why you skipped yandex so quickly Now im curious about a video from you talking about yandex

I wish they would add a dark mode to Ecosia

What Linux Distribution are you using during the video?

I'm not a native english speaker, but it never occurred to me that the quality of search results in a language other than english was also an important metric to keep track of.

@fgsaramago

Жыл бұрын

Itspretty crucial. ForPortuguese basically only google and by extension startpage will give good results, everything else is awful

I'm an AVID brave user! I like the fact that I can "get paid" to use it and surf the net. ALSO I like the fact that I can watch KZread without ads.i think it's great...

Ecosia is nice, but there is no dark theme, i know i can handle this with extensions, but it would be nice to have this feature.

@freeeeplay

Жыл бұрын

I think they said they were working on it so it might be a thing in the future

@Caution40404

Жыл бұрын

They added a theme option now!

I built a Searxng server on a Raspi, works great in my internal network.. Thanks for this review.. :)

After a few days of testing, I'd say Ecosia isn't bad but when it comes to search for serious stuff (such as how to fix certain Wine errors), it displays nothing. No search engine can beat Google yet. Googling with exactly the same terms (text and number of the Wine error), I get 2 results only but they're enough to find a solution. Ecosia, the Duck and a few others seem to avoid the word "Wine" for some reason and often display results for Windows only. The only reason I'm gonna keep using Ecosia as a default search engine is because it displays a lot better results in image search. Google hides some results bc of the idio_tic copy right policy, whereas Ecosia displays everything. I e-mailed them and suggested to make an option to search by exact image size (for instance, if you enter 1920x1080, to get all images with these dimensions) and they approved the idea. If anything, Ecosia seems to be more open to ideas and suggestions than Google, which is another reason for me to prefer Ecosia.

@jellifygirl

Жыл бұрын

I use Ecosia on mobile and definitely noticed this kind of thing. I'll search something like, uhhh idk. "blue cherries on a table" and the image results will just be normal ass cherries or a blue table. It tends to ignore things in complex or longer queries, the image results are especially bad, and it shows up with Nothing a lot more than G does. Now I just use it to go to specific websites I already know the keywords for, or search for simple stuff, and beyond that it's not really possible lol

Presearch has been the best balance between quality and privacy for me. Quick links for other engines if it doesn't cut it, as well.

@Electrodexify

Жыл бұрын

It's also decentralized by allowing anyone to self-host and earn crypto.

Thank You! merci

Thanks!

One thing I don't like much about brave search is video search, it dosent link well to videos I wanna see on KZread as well as the Google engine link to the Google video service,but that's what happen when you try to degoogle... Other than that only thing I don't use brave search for is reverse image search, yandex is king in this department, can even find a Anime from a frame someone badly crop to make a meme on Twitter

@davidsandrock7826

10 ай бұрын

That's why I've never seriously tried to degoogle. Google search results have been head and shoulders above their competitors for as long as I have been on the internet.

Merci! Thank you.

I can understand the apeal of planting trees but after seeing this video I decided to test spot and it seems pretty satisfying tbh

I've switched to YaCy recently. It claims to be a web crawler that runs on your own PC and it gets peer-to-peer results from other PCs. I'm not enough of a programmer to know how it works. I love it when it works, but that's rare. You have to manually tell it what websites to crawl. This means, unless a peer gives you the correct results (this is unlikely) you basically have to use a different search engine. There's also the fact that I don't have YaCy set to auto start on my system, so whenever I reboot I'll be without a search engine. But on the flip side, the ability to crawl specific sites is super useful because you kind of know what you'll get when you search. On a more technical note, it can be annoying when the ten top search results stem from the same website because that website wrote 10 similar articles on the topic you want to learn about.

Thank God. I've been dying to rid myself of Duck Duck Go ever since they admitted to censoring search results.

@fgsaramago

Жыл бұрын

Except their censoring is actually coming from bing, which is what ecosia qwant and most other alternatives use

what browser you used in thius video?

"I'm shallow but NOT Instagram Influencer Shallow" LOL

There's something that irks me about companies that make a product or provide a service but they also automatically do something good or eco in it, totally unrelated. It's like virtue signaling trying to conceal having a weaker product/service. Like, I remember several years ago, there was this chocolate that said that every chocolate bar bought meant some donation towards planting trees or something like that, cannot remember exactly. The thing is... say, I might be in financial problems. How about you give me that chocolate cheaper, without the extra money you give to the tree planting and when I can and I want, I'll donate to a tree-planting firm directly. Which is also much easier to track that it's actually doing something with the money, unlike the chocolate firm, who might very well send only half of the extra money, and pocket the rest, practically benefiting from the eco-friendly marketing, from the emotional weakness of the buyer. It might not, but... why have all this hassle ? The same with ecosia. I'd rather that they advertise less or improve their product with the extra money they have, not plant trees. On a side note, I don't think there's a limit of what you can spend when having a search engine, even if it's just an aggregator. Getting back, don't bundle up two totally unrelated things in one. I might only want one. You know, like the UNIX philosophy thing: "do one thing and do it well". Be the best search engine you can, let me decide when and how much and where to spend on tree plantings and everything else like that, don't force it on me.

@b_uppy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah like 'let me plant a tree on my tree plantation' that I can profit off of even further in a few years. Good point.

@WildVoltorb

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts! Give me the good results and let me do the tree planting lol. C'mon, there's no way of even checking if they are actually planting trees or not. That's such a disgusting cynical thing, I don't know how people even fall into that

Hi there ! Good video :) About the ecological point of ecosia I'm a bit skeptical about all the plant trees initiative. It has been reported that many organizations buy fields from people that then buy parts of forests to grow crops, so.... And I'd like to remind that solar energy is not more ecological than nuclear, not in many aspects, I don't think that's enough to make a choice I've used Ecosia a lot and it's nice I also use Qwant sometimes

Thanks for introducing me to Startpage! I’ve recently started using it today and have been really enjoying the privacy but brilliant results!

Thank you for all your efforts. I am grateful for the heads up on startpage. I moved to it as it was Google without Google but if an advertising agency bought it I'm out. Their interests and my interests do not align.

Hi Nick! Could you make a video of the best password managers, please? Thank you so much! Anyway, the video was so cool, as always!

@n.miller907

Жыл бұрын

Over many years I've tried several password managers and I've stuck with KeePass. My strategy is to avoid having my passwords stored on a server somewhere without any control over the data. Instead, I install KeePass on my cellphone. The data file on the phone is what I consider my "master file". I manually copy that file onto my various Linux computers and place a copy onto my cloud service in case it all gets destroyed in a fire. Having to update my computer's copy every once in awhile isn't difficult. I just plug in my phone to the computer, open a Linux file manager and copy over the master copy every few months. I've used this method for well over a decade and never had any problems retrieving my passwords using KeePass.

Glad to see another ecosia user, thanks for the entertaining and informative videos!

@Electrodexify

Жыл бұрын

Ecosia is not private or days so on their terms that they hand off to Bing and then they anonymity after a week....

Incroyable je viens seulement de réaliser que tu étais français ou que tu parlais juste français alors que j'ai regardé pleins de tes videos, J'ai ressentis la meme chose en utilisant DuckDuckGo, les résultats pas foufou en tant que dev sur Linux Je pense que je vais rester sur Google pour l'instant, ou au moins réessayer Brave Search, pas grand chose qui donne envie en plus globalement sur les autres moteurs, C'est infiniment genial ce que tu fais, merci pour ton travail

I've been trying to validate an idea of creating a 'Search Engine Wall of Shame' where people can submit their poor results from search queries for actionable outcome from search engines. So far, It's only me who have been posting to it.

3:15 hm, this is actually why duckduckgo got my respect. If you not blocking this kind of information, you gonna end like their country: in total poor and brainwashed. That's why they share fake and manipulative news as much as possible, if someone doesn't know.

Tbh, I would rather feed the independent brave index for the future, not bing. But eh, the company is a little weird for an open product. Not that Mozilla is any better but well I'm stuck with Google for any non-english search anyway. At least brave has enough of the normie people to enhance its search in other languages in the future. And nice enough interface to convince people, which was the first point people dislike ddg here. In a nutshell, I can imagine myself suggesting brave search to my friends which is absolutely not the case for ddg.

@robonator2945

Жыл бұрын

maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how the company is a "little weird" tbh. The only crypto adoption I've heard is BAT, which isn't some gimmick or scam, it's a way to directly support creators in a privacy respecting way that can't be censored or controlled. Crypto is just a good tool, but just like a tool, jackasses can use it for bad things.

@lunarna

Жыл бұрын

@@robonator2945 the ceo created a chromium-based browser in response to being pretty much forced out from mozilla for being homophobic. it's sketchy regardless of what you think of crypto

@darkmaro12345

Ай бұрын

@@lunarnawho was forced out?

There is also this Ocean Hero search engine, similar concept like Ecosia.

Yeah I don't know what happened to DDG, their results used to be good but it's been steadily getting worse these last few years, I switched over to Startpage a couple of months ago and I like it a lot better, I'll check out Ecosia as well since I hadn't heard about them before this video.

Thank you Nick, I can only appreciate your in-depth impartial analysis. It's pretty rare these days. I still prefer google because i need the precision for IT related queries but i appreciate your effort.

I legit forgot all about Ecosia and Presearch

I remember startpage, but i have a really bad image about them. Back in the days when win8 just came out, i fell for a lot of adware (due to me being young) and its gotten set to my default search engine, everytime i startet my computer.

I do not trust Bing at all. I would go for Brave until a scandal pops up.

@Electrodexify

Жыл бұрын

Yet Nick does not provide a full reason why he hates the company.

I also left DDG and now use both Brave (for regular search) & Yandex (for kinds of things that are often censored in the west)

I use the Privacy Badger extension for tracker blocking together with Ublock Origin

@destroyer2973

Жыл бұрын

I like the tracker blacklists built into ublock. I have it on all my browsers.

Ecosia is a really nice search engine, I set it up for everyone I handle the computer for. Personally, I actually set up a searXNG docker on a Pi 2 which of course isn't that fast but as casually as I search for something these days, it's alright.

@madthumbs1564

Жыл бұрын

They seem to censor the same as others. Yandex is the only one I trust for results on suppressed topics / information so far, but their captchas are too annoying to use as a main search engine.

@MegaManNeo

Жыл бұрын

@@madthumbs1564 isn't Yandex Chinese?

@telegraph5592

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaManNeo No, its russian.

@MegaManNeo

Жыл бұрын

@@telegraph5592 Doesn't necessary makes it better. Not that US services are free of shame but eh...

Confusing. If _Duck Duck Go_ and _Ecosia_ both leverage _Bing_ search results, how does one meet Nick's needs while the other does not? Could _personalized results_ be the culprit? That is, one uses (or passes) tracking data while the other does not? I wonder if Nick has attempted to construct experiments to test each alternative against a control. For instance, Bing vs Duck Duck Go vs Ecosia. In every way, avoid building a fingerprint which matches previous systems and layouts. The first step, however, would be to get a fresh PC (anonymously). Then, install a fresh distro. Preferably, a distro which is _out-of-character_ for Nick. Using only default settings, default bookmarks, and other default installed software --- install every browser to be tested --- again, using only default extensions, default settings, and default bookmarks. _No account logins!_ Then, build a matrix (spreadsheet) to compare search results from "different" (but similar) search engines. Vanilla Debian with XFCE should be a sufficient departure from Nick's preferred distro(s) and desktop(s).

@mrtycho26

Жыл бұрын

Might it be that Ecosia enclosed they used Bing and DDG didn't?... Idk, just a theory.

@M0rn1n6St4r

Жыл бұрын

@@mrtycho26 - Not sure what you mean... _enclosed?_ Do you mean _disclosed_ that they used Bing? Unless I'm mistaken, both disclose that they use Bing. Irrelevant, as Nick's primary complaint is about the quality (or consistency) of search results in English and French; i.e good English results, but poor French results. Right?

@mrtycho26

Жыл бұрын

@@M0rn1n6St4r I did mean disclosed yeah, my bad. I guess the quality was more if his problem ig idk. Like I said, it was just a theory.

@Chr0n0s38

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, if the goal is to avoid being fingerprinted, Windows is probably the best bet. Linux is extremely uncommon in the grand scheme of things. 2 cheap laptops with Windows pre-installed would be the best way to ensure uniqueness (and I guess run the experiment at a library).

@mrtycho26

Жыл бұрын

@@Chr0n0s38 A VM would do the trick as well, right?

What's the big deal with brave? 🤷‍♂️ I've always liked their results

@simimik.

Жыл бұрын

Brave is the best. Founded by the founder of Firefox.

@beastguy44ruleroftheuniver76

Жыл бұрын

@@simimik. whom is a huge homophobe

Changed to Ecosia today! I gotta say it feels pretty great actually KNOWING what options I have for search engines aside from the Big Well-Known Ones! Cheers, mate!

This is why I've set up several instances of searxng in Docker. One for pedestrian traffic, and one behind a VPN Docker so I can search things without my IP being mine.

@b_uppy

Жыл бұрын

Is docker a search engine?

@jeremymigonis2498

Жыл бұрын

@@b_uppy Docker is a way to run very small programs independent of an OS.