“You can make it repairable but you can’t make it idiot proof” Such a good line

@twizz420

Жыл бұрын

Too bad 90% of laptop owners are idiots, then. Kinda defeats the purpose of this whole thing. Most people will never upgrade or repair their framework laptop.

@TheGizwop

Жыл бұрын

Yep that needs putting on the t-shirt

@asadava

Жыл бұрын

@Hermann[best channel] what the actual heII

@ChrisMDSmith79

Жыл бұрын

you cant mike Linus proof more like

@greatestcait

Жыл бұрын

@@asadava report and move on, my friend

I love how Linus made sure to protect his $220k investment in the company and showed the laptop repair/replace process in the best light possible, by... Not reading the instruction manuals and fumbling through the entire thing without even using a parts tray, thus making the entire process look a lot more painful than it actually probably is? 😂😂😂

@dylankatz9395

Жыл бұрын

Or he showed the hardest way to do it so we all know it will be easier if we fo

@mzy10511

Жыл бұрын

I think its also important to note that even if something is easy with instructions. Easy-Medium WITHOUT instructions, is imporant too. (Ignoring how much experience Linus has with putting PC parts together) If you can easily do it without instructions, that goes a long way towards proving the easily modular design is effective

@TheFrantic5

Жыл бұрын

He made this as difficult as possible and still got it done, that's got to be worth something for how easy it is.

@FlyboyHelosim

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he made the whole process look more difficult than regular laptops.

@eduflyer

Жыл бұрын

Lolll Linus is a disaster. Should have let Anthony do it lollll 😂

19:18 Not to mention, if you didn’t have a use for your old one, you could sell your old main board to someone who needs a repair but not an upgrade, recouping some of your upgrade costs, saving that person more money and reducing waste.

@theyoutuber273

Жыл бұрын

In the future, the second market will be really awesome especially for those who are low in cash but want faster cpu

@techfan1017

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I really hope they do well and that more companies get on board to partner

@BlazonParadox

Жыл бұрын

Framework could even implement a future discount if you sold your old boards or components back to them, and they could sell those at a discount for more ease of access and less waste. People wouldn't have to mess with ebay or craigslist, it would be great for a more rural market where you maybe couldn't unload your older parts easily.

@xdev_henry

Жыл бұрын

The Giga Brain:

@willsterjohnson

Жыл бұрын

if Framework don't already have a marketplace like this, they should definitely make one. Having a first party aftermarket would be a huge selling point

The old motherboard would make an extremely good home server, a specifically designed NAS case would make it perfect.

@da_pawz

Жыл бұрын

or compact htpc

@dibu28

Жыл бұрын

@@da_pawz Or both) using Proxmox and 3d printed nas/htpc case. We just need to add hdd cases at the bottom of existing case)

@da_pawz

Жыл бұрын

@@dibu28 of course. Nowadays, 3D printing is an easy task. There's room to do it.

@clouddcloud

Жыл бұрын

For nas it is a bit too powerful and less cost effective depend on your use case.

@lesliesavage9229

Жыл бұрын

@@clouddcloud Agree, and there is the problem the PI has for being a NAS as well, no place to attach NAS drives.

The mini desktop option is neat, it really highlights the utility of the swappable modules

@KyurekiHana

Жыл бұрын

This could be a great future for thin clients. Killed the battery in my last laptop because it was mostly sitting connected to power during the pandemic due to having no place to go.

@guspaz

Жыл бұрын

Arguably the swappable modules make much less sense for the desktop, because they're ultimately just USB-C devices, and while the module slotting into a laptop chassis has value in terms of form factor, there's not really any advantage to a module slotting into a desktop instead of just plugging in a dongle version.

@IDv8I

Жыл бұрын

I know, I want to get their laptop now so I can make a mini PC in the future. All kinds of great uses for one. Need to see if they sell in Canada though?

@maxip.1935

Жыл бұрын

@@IDv8I ltt is canadian so i would be suprised if they didnt

@gb76231

Жыл бұрын

​@@KyurekiHana newer laptops shouldn't keep eletric current flowing through the battery when the battery is full and you're plugged in. older ones who couldn't achieve this usually would let you remove the battery

Really love what Framework is doing here! Its such an important step towards a world where anti-consumer practices are hopefully less common assuming Framework can make it big.

@Q-nt-Tf

Жыл бұрын

No you don't.

@Silverhazey_

Жыл бұрын

@@Q-nt-Tf Who swapped your sugar out for fentanyl this morning?

@thetalkativefos716

Жыл бұрын

@@Q-nt-Tf pov: apple

@jay-5061

Жыл бұрын

The real money is in business machines, they’re like 2-3x the price of standard high-end consumer laptops for tiny differences like “pro cpus” and these guys will never break that market.

@Theborpapogs

Жыл бұрын

@@jay-5061 typically the business grade machines will have higher quality parts as well as quadro gpus which in general are more expensive. You are paying for the reliability mainly though.

honestly linus personally investing in framework is one of my favorite moves he's made because nothing makes me trust and enjoy this channel more than seeing that the guy i'm coming here for directly supports and is willing to throw his wallet behind the technological future that I want to see.

@DogeMultiverse

Жыл бұрын

He did get burnt a couple of times before

@lateral1385

Жыл бұрын

@@DogeMultiverse example? I’m just curious

This video tripled my confidence in Framework. I love that Linus takes such a pragmatic, level-headed approach to reviewing their products honestly -- it honestly makes me *more* likely to buy them because I feel like there's zero chance of getting something I wasn't expecting. With framework, I know what I'm buying and I know the company's values are aligned with mine. Awesome company and awesome video. I hope framework sees many years of success to come.

@ReyNico

Жыл бұрын

I know nothing about framework, but let's hope they never become publicly traded unless they already are. That always takes companies away from their morals and makes them care about nothing but profit, cost cutting, taking advantage of customers, etc. I'll keep an eye on framework for the next time I need a laptop, 4-5 years from now

@jemborg

Жыл бұрын

Ah lol, I first read, "crippled" your confidence. 😁

@lesliesavage9229

Жыл бұрын

Poorly designed hinges, which other laptop companies figured out how to make back in 2004. What else did they goof up? Linus' laptop came without Ethernet, which is included on today's laptops. If you are going to design something, get people in there that know laptops.

@RemziCavdar

Жыл бұрын

I'm waiting till Framework offers AMD CPU's and it's rumoured that they will eventually offer this in the coming years.

@zerocal76

Жыл бұрын

@@lesliesavage9229 very few laptops come w an ethernet port today bud. Hinges def should have never been a problem

Framework: "Thanks for backing us! We are making sure to create detailed document---" Linus: "WHY IS IT BLINKING?!" Framework: 😭

@CrusterfunkShenanigans

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

The fact that they made a hinge upgrade to fix design flaws is nuts. It really reassures you that they will support the machine years into the future.

@SuperSucc69

Жыл бұрын

It's good, but having replaceable parts is pointless if they shouldn't need to be replaced in the first place. You might as well have just bought a laptop from an established brand that has better quality assurance. If the replacement parts are covered by a warranty though, then ignore me.

@bishalbhandari1005

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperSucc69 even established brand like HP have issue with the hinge and crazy thing is they don’t have any support to fix it.

@lilsquidgaming39

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperSucc69 the soldered cpu gets me

@lilsquidgaming39

Жыл бұрын

like in a bad way

@Ethefake

Жыл бұрын

@@lilsquidgaming39 thanks for clearing that up, we didnt understand what you meant before you specifically told us it was in a bad way.

The fact that they've engaged with Louis Rossman in good faith discussions about schematics is a very good sign to me. There are only a handful of companies that are this open with system 76 being the only other that comes to mind.

@relsre

Жыл бұрын

Speaking of System76, I hope there will be some collaborative effort between them and Framework someday -- imagine the Framework laptop, but with officially supported and pre-installed Coreboot and Pop!_OS. Imagine the Framework mainboard inside a desktop case, with the transparency and quality of design of a System76 Thelio!

I've been trying to be better about e-waste (and $-waste) so I'm planning ride my current laptop as long as I can, but whenever it does finally die I'm absolutely going for one of these. This kind of modularity and real hardware ownership of a laptop is something the world has needed for so long.

@lateral1385

Жыл бұрын

What’s your current laptop?

@kingdozlex9909

Жыл бұрын

@@lateral1385 Lenovo E5440

We all love Linus’s style of doing stuff on his own but a part of these videos really should be analyzing the documentation that these companies provide for these repairs and mods that you do. Bad documentation vs good documentation can make a really big difference between a friendly user experience and a frustrating user experience. Hope you guys consider this for future videos

@realfangplays

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I was annoyed about that in this video when usually I don't care about it

@ForeverHobbit

Жыл бұрын

i'd agree if it wasn't just "built it the way you disassembled it backwards"

@Quamsi

Жыл бұрын

I feel like in the last year or so Linus has gotten a bit bad about going more in depth with these kinds of things, probably because he is waiting for LMG Labs so that he can have more confidence in what he says.

@sequoyahrice6966

Жыл бұрын

this

@ShiniDragon

Жыл бұрын

That's a really good point.

I love how most of the pain in upgrading his laptop comes from him not reading the manual and not being organized, lol That's the Linus we love

@TheKillerman3333

Жыл бұрын

Yesss!

@TheJtorres182

Жыл бұрын

The cringe was insane with this one with how much he was messing up

@darindelegal1102

Жыл бұрын

I don't mind him being a goofball but do have an issue with him criticizing Framework on the complexity when he's not following the provided guide.

@atemoc

Жыл бұрын

@@darindelegal1102 Yeah it's pretty bad there lmao

@atemoc

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJtorres182 Can only agree

If / When they finally have a ryzen and discrete GPU option i will get one. Love the idea and principals behind it.

@FilSerge

Жыл бұрын

Vote for ryzen!

@lesliesavage9229

Жыл бұрын

The motherboard won't fit the case.

@FilSerge

Жыл бұрын

@@lesliesavage9229 why so?

@lesliesavage9229

Жыл бұрын

@@FilSerge There is no way to make a totally different designed board fit, when the board going in without the GPU on it barely fits as it is. Probably why they haven't done it already.

@FilSerge

Жыл бұрын

@@lesliesavage9229 it doesn't sound like a problem at all. Chips have comparable sizes.

Like Linus says: as a Linux user an AMD option would make this one of the best Linux laptops, so I hope the option will be there once my current laptop breaks/gets too old

@pandemicneetbux2110

Жыл бұрын

..I really need to stop being lazy and learn to use Linux it's a deep shame (then again idk how easy it'll be getting games working)

@user2C47

Жыл бұрын

@Zephyrius Can concur. Do it on old hardware or a server first, so you can ease into it. For example, I still run Windows on my main machine and will likely continue to do so until it's EOL, but I run Linux on my old laptop.

@JACS420

Жыл бұрын

@@pandemicneetbux2110 lol DW, I started as a web dev, now niche programmer mastering weird languages, never used Linux once in my life. From my understanding Linux is a net code/server based OS. Understanding windows is just as important as language learning.

@electricant55

Жыл бұрын

@@JACS420 Linux is a great OS for programmers who are tired of writing code and would rather troubleshoot their workstation for most of the day

@demounit

Жыл бұрын

are you happy now ;)

With miniaturized components and a recycling mindset, I'd love a crossover with DIY perks even though he's across the ocean. Would be glorious if it could happen, I mean the guy made a PS5 slim and the best invisible PC/integrated desk PC I've ever seen.

@jakobbouchard

Жыл бұрын

A crossover between LTT and DIY Perks is something I've been wanting for years now. It would be awesome!

@isaackvasager9957

Жыл бұрын

honsetly, I like DIY perks, but if you actually pause and look closely at the things he makes, they are usually pretty atrocious.

@zero_gravity5861

Жыл бұрын

@@isaackvasager9957 it surely is a very specific sort of jank.

@ChaoticDucc

Жыл бұрын

@@isaackvasager9957 some oz his stuff is of questionable design, but I liked the design of his PS5 slim and his dual Bluetooth speakers.

@JO-ih7uc

Жыл бұрын

@@isaackvasager9957 explain

At the end that spare motherboard could even become a DIY Steam Deck. Yes, it could be very expensive, but it could be a funny project, too

@modder853

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@modder853

Жыл бұрын

No

@skulleven5161

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@boblablaw4857

Жыл бұрын

Too big. But if they ever get into the smartphone game, then you could upgrade your smartphone and throw the old board into a steam deck style device or tablet. That would be dope.

@AlmightyBeing

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing

I feel like once graphics cards are somehow integrated into the framework, it’ll be a much more tempting buy.

@lukasnel4828

Жыл бұрын

Agree, as an AI researcher graphics cards are important

@KevinJDildonik

Жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt means external cards work fine.

@Aliyah_666

Жыл бұрын

I mean they do have thunderbolt, not to mention all they would need to do really is incorporate amd ryzen components. The new rdna3 gpu is pretty beefy for an igpu.

@thebcwonder4850

Жыл бұрын

is it even big enough for a GPU?

@hojjat5000

Жыл бұрын

Now that we established that whatever you say comes true, can you also wish 1 million dollars for me?

having access to schematic and 1st party replacement parts is awesome. As a a marketing and growth strategy, I believe offering easy upgrades of motherboards will flood the used market with "older" but still extremely worthy hardware that will let newcomers join the framework boat at a lower price point. I think it would be optimal if they offered this "in-house" with the option for trade-ins when upgrading and the possibility of buying laptops with used hardware on their own website (even if delivered in a to-be-assembled format and no warranty whatsoever)

@austinedeclan10

Жыл бұрын

This is brilliant. I hope linus see your comment

This video really made me realize how frustrating it must be to plan videos only to have Linus make it complete chaos 😂

@Alcoholic_Nerd

Жыл бұрын

I've been building and repairing PCs since the 80s, had a store for over two decades repairing anything electronic, this is just how we do it.... I've sat on carpet, on a bed, in the back of a car, etc and did repair work on PCs and other electronics. No "screw holder" or "guides".... It's called remembering what you did and just reversing it. If that doesn't work count holes. If one part has 5 holes and another has 3 holes and you have 5 screws of the same size and 3 screws of the same size guess what??? It's mostly just basic common sense tbh. Something that doesn't seem to exist anymore... I don't do it for a living anymore, mostly just my own stuff or if I get something cheap to fix up and sell. But you are right if you're doing it multiple times a day everyday it might be worth it. I never cared enough but I guess some people do that's why magnetic mats exist. But let's be serious here, Linus doesn't really do repairs multiple times a day. He just shows up to have fun with his money from time to time while all his paid friends do any actual work. ;)

@bluephreakr

Жыл бұрын

Pomeranian energy man, it's something else.

@inc0der

Жыл бұрын

@@Alcoholic_Nerd Really? Pretty sure common sense would tell me that learning from your mistakes is a better thing to do than constantly fighting to fix something, especially if it's your job. If I got paid by the job for me it makes sense to make each repair as effortless as possible by removing the mistakes that happen often, like misplacing screws or trying to figure out where one of them goes, why waste time on counting when you can have a solid plan and know exactly what needs to be done, saving you a ton of time. Obviously your first few repairs will have some bumpy roads but after that you should have ironed out all your problems.

@Alcoholic_Nerd

Жыл бұрын

@@inc0der If I wanted to read a novel I'd buy a book, which is just silly. Nothing you typed will be read by me but good job wasting your time anyway. What I said was reality and truth, really don't care what you pretend to think. Good day.

@anon_y_mousse

Жыл бұрын

@@Alcoholic_Nerd I pull out multiple sheets of paper and stick some tape on there in lines vaguely correlating to the screws on the device and stick each one on relatively close to where they came from. The multiple sheets are of course for layers and sides, because some laptops require you to flip things over to unscrew yet more. Take a pen and scrawl a quick note if I need more to organize them. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

That mini-PC print-out thingy is actually the coolest thing I've ever seen for these kind of parts. Would be very easy to resell them later down the line as office PCs.

@anon_y_mousse

Жыл бұрын

Yes, so very much that. Could have that as an HTPC attached to the back of a TV so easily. Would kick the snot out of a RPi as well.

@insomnia20422

Жыл бұрын

Also you could integrate these things in desks and other stuff for offices, schools and similar institutions.

@Gobbbbb

Жыл бұрын

Seriously!! I want one of those. It just looks like a router and I absolutely LOVE it. Would also love to see it run off battery power too just because why not.

@gholland5840

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I currently have 4 laptops that dont have software problems but the keyboard/screen/hinges are broken

@Blackinterceptor999

Жыл бұрын

I'm interested in that, but also with the laptop battery to use as a car-pc to retrofit modern electronics and features into my old Lincoln....I'm also hoping the prices will come down eventually.

Watching Linus struggle more with his own confusion than any real problem with the process... makes me feel so much better about my own experiences with IT. I felt WAY too much joy along with him when the update screen popped up!

As someone that runs a small homelab, I LOVE the reusable motherboard into mini pc theme. I know you can do that already with any laptop but the motherboards are generally weird shapes etc. That makes it an accessible gateway into hobbyist homelab projects which is cool.

@lateral1385

Жыл бұрын

What is a homelab?

I'm all for this framework laptop. However for the average user once they replace a part (say what Linus did there to replace a motherboard) they wouldn't know what to do with it. Why not have an option on their website that says if u want to send the old part back to us and knock off some price of the new purchased board. They'd be able to repurpose the old part and sell it again no?

@aaronchamberlain4698

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I’d love that as well. Likely needs new procedures and employees though to take back motherboard, verify no damage, verify all ports still work so they can give it a grade and slap on a warranty.

@tjeulink

Жыл бұрын

what should they do with the board? sell it again? fairphone just has a marketplace where people sell their parts to eachother, its kinda works and i think its a more realistic solution to that problem. i think framework is a bit too tech heavy for the average user. fairphone really has that part down, but they lack in other regards where framework does much better. but then again, maintaining android over a wide range of configurations is nearly impossible, not so much with linux or windows which come from a legacy mentality.

@Ham24brand

Жыл бұрын

I agree. That’s what auto repair shops do, they give you some money back when you bring in the part you’re replacing.

@rapiddu6482

Жыл бұрын

@@tjeulink actually that super cool. Selling parts to each other is such a good thing especially who doesn't want latest and greatest every year. For eg I will be happy to buy 11th gen motherboard for ~60-65% of the original price from someone who doesn't need it anymore

@GRAYgauss

Жыл бұрын

@@rapiddu6482 You know what buying used means right? We been doing this since the start. I'm personally a 4-5 gen behind kinda guy. Lol, sorry, was just funny how you were so focused on the context you didn't realize it was just a contrivance of something completely normal.

"Geographic Expansion" - YES! also, I get that they may be doing what looks like baby steps, but every risk they take must be measured, one step on the wrong direction may be the end for the company, while the giants have plenty of cash to spare in case of a big mistake.

@flubnub266

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention when you take on giants, you're liable to get stomped out if you pose any real threat to them. Today's consumers don't even know what rights they don't have, and Framework is trying to tell them they deserve more. The industry has kept their user base in the freezer for a long time and they're not going to like some small business trying to thaw them out. ...yes, that was a crappy chilling effect metaphor.

@evolicious

Жыл бұрын

@@flubnub266 Or, these companies are taking advantage of the outrage and creating fake cheapo garbage to scam people too stupid to realize that the big competitors have successful products because they have the money, time, engineering and resources to make it. While a tiny company of investor scammers do not. You are being led like sheep into opportunist's hands, like Linus has.

@flubnub266

Жыл бұрын

@John Smith If the company has to close down, future entrepreneurs might interpret it as a cautionary tale and think the business model doesn't work, which would be bad. You're right that the idea wouldn't die, but I certainly think think would turn out better if Framework succeeds.

@EngineerAAJ

Жыл бұрын

@John Smith Amen, there is one company doing something similar on the phone side if I am not mistaken, I just can´t remember the name now, but what I meant is that the progress may be slower at the start because the giants may know and fear what is to come, so they can try to take a swing on one miss step or something. may I can´t wait for framework to become mainstream so it gets to my country. I wonder if they are looking for partners on other countries

my macbook is a mid 2015 macbook pro. i cant remember what crapped out, but apple said since the laptop is no longer covered, it would cost $750 to replace it.

I think Framework’s next mission is to build a modular tablet computer, except one where users can build it.

@spaceman124

Жыл бұрын

This is a great idea. @Linus.. please pitch this to Framework.

This modular repairable design idea is really up my alley. I really hope this becomes a more competitive market in the future for all types of electronics, not just laptops.

@curt8806

Жыл бұрын

There's a reason Linus never "got around" to doing the "spilled coke" video. Because it's actually not that easy or cost-effective. lmao

@aimenaldarkhobi8366

Жыл бұрын

The mass consumer would not pay extra for that. Most people do not want to mess up with their laptops

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

it is my hope they'll eventually work out swappable GPUs and a CPUs. Admittedly CPUs is easy, since that is "put middleman PCB on and put a socket on the board" while GPUs are a bit more difficult because that will require some kind of daughter board and a good data and power link

@ajhauter5049

Жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper They don't even need to do a seperate PCB and socket for the CPU. I have a Dell Latitude from 2011 which is completely user serviceable. The CPU is an i5-2540m on socket G2, and is incredibly easy to remove. It's definitely possible to design laptop CPUs to be user-removable (LGA/PGA instead if BGA). The GPU would still be difficult.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

@@ajhauter5049 at some point AMD & Intel decided to not do their laptop CPUs to where they could be in a socket and swappable. Most manufacturers just build within that limitation. Thus, unless you want to try to run desktop CPUs in a laptop, you're gonna have to do some kind of addon(s) to the CPU to make it work right in a socket... or design a special socket and heatsink setup to accommodate laptop CPUs. *Maybe* if enough orders are made AMD and/or Intel would comply, but that's a huge maybe.

"The bulge in your pants shouldn't be from a wallet." i love it, definitely one of the best sponsor lines

@Tommy-qe6fh

Жыл бұрын

@Hermann[best channel] WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU

Linus. As an investor, could you recommend that they “buy back” old parts? This would be more ecological than users destroying / throwing away their old parts. This would also help with the economical costs.

@0xbenedikt

Жыл бұрын

Just ebay them instead

@idk12147

Жыл бұрын

@@0xbenedikt op's suggestion is better tho

@meleter8107

Жыл бұрын

@@0xbenedikt well, having an official outlet to sell the parts back would allow Framework to easier sell refurbished equipment. It would also be useful for a lot of customers who don't like dealing with used items.

@0xbenedikt

Жыл бұрын

@@idk12147 I don’t think this burden should be placed on them

@howthereyou9227

Жыл бұрын

too much logistics work for a part you dont even know works, its very hard to keep tabs and have an entire branch dedicated to sorting and refurbishing them, so direct user to user selling would be better

I love my Framework and *might* upgrade. Would love a "buy back" type deal where I get credit for my old motherboard.

@austinedeclan10

Жыл бұрын

They could also resell to new users looking to enter the Framework ecosystem as well as budget users who could purchase a chassis and old parts at a lower price point

@Its_Stone_Time

Жыл бұрын

@@austinedeclan10 They do now offer refurbished systems

@austinedeclan10

Жыл бұрын

@@Its_Stone_Time then I wish this company well. If they ship to Africa then my next laptop will be a Framework

Can’t wait for them to eventually have an AMD option. Hopefully with Zen 4!

@GSBarlev

Жыл бұрын

IIRC because all of the modular connectors are USB-C, they *have* to wait for Zen4 in order to be able to supply ~~video out~~ (edit: sorry--eGPU support) as Zen3 doesn't support Thunderbolt 3 (Zen4 will support USB4). I'll tell you what I would love but is almost certainly not technologically feasible--nom-embedded CPUs like on the ASRock DeskMini line.

@namAehT

Жыл бұрын

My next laptop is going to be an AMD Framework and I can't wait.

@gosera-1108

Жыл бұрын

@@GSBarlev Zen3 does support Thunderbolt3, but its up to the boardmakers to make it happen.. if it didnt we wouldnt have boards like. Gigabyte TRX40 Designare X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 Also dont forget Asus ProArt B550-CREATOR which has Thunderbolt 4

@jasonz8635

Жыл бұрын

@@GSBarlev There are laptop out with desktop CPUs (Namely Clevo's) but main issue is obviously their much higher power draw. It's more practical w/ 12th gen intel b/c of p and e cores but still not great. Framework would probably have to redesign their chassis for greater airflow and size due to that as well. End of the day, it's probably more work for what it's worth.

@raised8471

Жыл бұрын

RISC-V!

I've had my Framework laptop since near the beginning of February and am so far really happy with it. It was super simple to assemble, it's pretty powerful, it has reasonable (but not outstanding) battery life. I've not really made use of the ability to swap out the modules, so far I've been happy with a USB-C and a USB-A on each side, I have an HDMI module sitting on my desk but haven't used it. I'm not someone who needs to sit on the bleeding edge of computing hardware, so I won't be getting this motherboard upgrade, but I'm really happy that it's likely that I WILL be able to upgrade when the time comes.

@whitehavencpu6813

Жыл бұрын

" that I WILL be able to upgrade when the time comes." This absolutely. The main regret over buying a laptop is that you're stuck with it forever, and eventually its components will be too outdated to keep up with new hardware, having no way to upgrade. Framework is an absolute game changer, the fact that you can turn the older components into a spare PC is mind blowing!

@user-ni7gk5tg5j

Жыл бұрын

@@whitehavencpu6813 you know that when you buy a new laptop you are not obligated to drop the old one in the bin, you can still use it as a home pc. Also, you will still need more just the motherborad to be able to use your old hardware, ram and storage also required, but at that point you are basically buying a new mini pc, that is already outdated. Being able to upgrade is nice i agree, but in reality, the price is what drives consumers and convenience, this one does not provide both.

@whitehavencpu6813

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ni7gk5tg5j I meant that if the old laptop stopped working, you can't just strip it down and turn the working components into a pc, very rarely is that possible due to various integration issues, but with frame-work and how modular all their parts are its possible to simply convert the old hardware into a different machine.

@evolicious

Жыл бұрын

Sounds more like buyers remorse and trying to justify your bad decisions.

@Milamberinx

Жыл бұрын

@@evolicious how do you get 'remorse' from my description of being happy with my laptop?

What a great video! I love how Linus always pretends to know what he's doing. He's like a little kid trying to figure out a new toy. I was able to see some of the most beautiful places on earth thanks to Mighty 😖 Travels 🤞🏽 Premium.

@lateral1385

Жыл бұрын

What was that last part? Are you a spam bot or something..?

This is revolutionary given how much anti-repair sentiment is there among the manufacturers. Teething problems are expected of a start-up but it has immense possibilities of growth.

@lateral1385

Жыл бұрын

I’m fascinated by you. And I want more

I got my DIY Framework back in early Nov, and it's been my daily driver ever since. I run MX KDE, and it's been pretty darn much a dream machine. In fact, I liked it so much (and it was able to handle everything I need for my job in InfoSec and networking) that I bought a second for my wife which she put together herself, and as a non-techie she actually had fun doing so. It's not a totally perfect laptop (none are), and I'd prefer AMD, but as a long-time Linux user, the fact that they made a serious effort to prioritize my needs, meant that I prioritized supporting them as a company. I did have a problem with the bearings in my cpu fan after about 6 months, but FW quickly sent me a replacement, and of course the repair took less than 5 minutes (and I will be upgrading my hinges once the new stronger ones are available in quantity). I guess the "short of the long" is that the benefits of this laptop, and FW as a whole, far, far outweigh any of the possible misgivings or nit-picks. I've been entirely satisfied with both laptops, and will gladly keep purchasing from FW as their offerings expand. I hope they stay around for a very long time.

@MikkoRantalainen

Жыл бұрын

AMD powered motherboard would make tons of sense for a Linux user because AMD integrated graphics is way better than Intel and AMD finally has real open source support for the GPU so it's well supported by fully open source drivers.

@dirg3music

Жыл бұрын

@@MikkoRantalainen yeah that's really the biggest drawback in my mind. If they can get a deal going with AMD, it would elevate this company's market to a huge degree. Like, imagine throwing a ryzen 6000 series chip in one of these things, how awesome would that be!

@nordicbastard2328

Жыл бұрын

@@MikkoRantalainen Agreed -- not having an AMD option did cause me to hesitate initially, and I totally understand it being a deal-breaker for some. Regardless, I don't regret getting their Intel version, but if they do come out with an AMD upgrade or laptop, it'll be a day-1 purchase for me!

@BURN447

Жыл бұрын

I’m thinking of waiting for the Ryzen version. I don’t need a laptop just yet, so I can wait, but I’m still excited to see where this goes

@NoOne-yp1qe

Жыл бұрын

@@MikkoRantalainen Well, I'm red in the face. All these years I thought Intel had open source drivers. You learn something different everyday!

This will be the only laptop where you can start with an Intel CPU one gen, then decide to swap out for an AMD one after, potentially. Imagine how crazy that is!

@DuxGalt

Жыл бұрын

That is the reason I bought one when Linus first talked about them. I knew I was not forcing myself down a path I often swap between intel and AMD. I will probably upgrade it when a AMD option comes out, and use the old intel one as a media pc in the 3d printed enclosure like this, what will be cool about that is with all the modules I can make that work even better. I cant wait for the ethernet module. I may have spent 1600 for my first laptop, which for what I got was pricey. But next time ill probably spend 1000, and bring whole new life into my laptop, and be able to repurpose it.

@kermitdaphrogge525

Жыл бұрын

@@DuxGalt how is the screen like? Just works or above average?

@nullvoid3545

Жыл бұрын

I worry that putting better and better CPUs into the same chassis will eventually leave not enough room to fit A properly sized heat sink in. Would have been nice to see the thermal curves for them compared.

@wnxdafriz

Жыл бұрын

@@nullvoid3545 well, technically speaking... going from intel 11th to a current gen AMD yea.... and its an ultra portable with no big emphasis on crazy graphics so pretty sure if just using integrated graphics potentially you will just get cooler laptops overall, with that 14 core one they put in??? hmmm

@kektaro

Жыл бұрын

@@nullvoid3545 as long as cpu tdps stay the same as manufacturers go for power efficiency on mobile devices, thermals shouldn't be too different among different cpus. heatsinks have a max tdp rating and so as long as cpus stay under that it shouldn't overheat.

I love this concept so much that I want to buy a mainboard and epu setup simply to restore my full desktop. I don't need a new laptop anytime soon since I barely use one outside of work.

Ok, that idea diary that Linus kind of teased framework for giving him looks like an MD paper notebook made by Midori. It's a super high quality personal notebook, and I love that framework is supporting another amazing high quality brand. Even if that brand is just paper notebooks

@paulcarmi8130

Жыл бұрын

Midori and Moleskine, never heard of them until I worked at staples. Lots of old guys swear by those lmao

I can't even count the amount of times that I've handled a laptop and said "I'd buy this if only they didn't fuck up this one feature" being able to retroactively swap simple parts (and even in the future had a catalogue of parts for one component) Really could feasibly make this the last laptop you need to buy.

@allanshpeley4284

Жыл бұрын

Except that their screens are shiny, low refresh rate, there aren't full size arrow keys or a TB4 module. Oh and the screen is too small for my use case. If they made options for all of these things I'd probably get one. But just a few swappable modules that I could just use an adapter for really isn't all that appealing to me.

@eliaskruse4187

Жыл бұрын

@@allanshpeley4284 They are a small company, they simply cannot do everything at once. In the future, I believe they will fix the problems you are talking about.

@sleepspacee

Жыл бұрын

@@allanshpeley4284 maybe you should shell out 2k for new laptop and throw the old one in a landfill :)

@allanshpeley4284

Жыл бұрын

Already a step ahead of you

@allanshpeley4284

Жыл бұрын

@@eliaskruse4187 Hope so

I’ve been an owner of one of these since batch 4 and 5, and I’ve loved pretty much everything about it besides what was mentioned in the video. I’ve already used their ability to upgrade and swap parts around about 3-4 times for personal preference, nothing that the laptop caused, and it been insanely easy. Seriously, I’m taking this to school doing game dev, and with an external monitor along with this and my tower, I’m not worried a bit. Please, if you’re watching this and considering buying it, go for it. It’s so much easier to deal with than anything else out there.

This is a really nice concept. Love it. Especially that you are still able to use the older motherboard as a secondary mini Desktop. And the 3D printing aspect gives users the power to design their own case, if they want. So they even can level up the new life cycle of older hardware with their design wishes.

Linus: "I'm not gonna use the orange bezel, it looks like a toy." Also Linus: Paints his server rack bright pink.

I'm not even a laptop user myself, but I'm absolutely rooting for Framework and have told people about them. If all the sudden I needed a laptop, I'd absolutely consider them first. So I have brand loyalty with a company I have no personal experience with - and it's purely because of how they respect the end users and the environment. It's always so refreshing hearing about Framework and their progress as opposed to companies such as Apple, who are not only hostile towards Android and PC users but they even resent their own users and treat them like garbage. Hopefully Framework and other right to repair companies like them are the future of consumer electronics because as the chip shortage made clear, the current way we treat everything as disposable is completely unsustainable.

@jojobobbubble5688

Жыл бұрын

Same boat. I am not a laptop user (at home) but I am rooting for them and I'd buy one if I needed a laptop. I've also recommended them to others before as well.

@AlexanderMikhailov629

Жыл бұрын

As an Apple user, I can confirm that I discover I’m an M after using Apple

@jojobobbubble5688

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderMikhailov629 Sorry, but what is "an M"?

@AlexanderMikhailov629

Жыл бұрын

@@jojobobbubble5688 It might be not an accurate term to describe it but it means a masochist, I realize that for some reason I let Apple do their nonsense despite knowing it’s just Apple being the usual asshole company to their customer.

Watching this made me realize how important on-board assembly diagnostics are for a user-serviceable device. Being able to quickly identify missing screws/components would go a long way towards ensuring that all users (regardless of their organizational skills) can complete repairs/replacements.

@johndododoe1411

Жыл бұрын

For screws, electronic detection will turn into a nightmare of anti-repair features. Clearly labeling screw positions and limiting the total types needed will do a lot more. "Oh. Where does this extra 7mm long screw go?, looks around and finds an empty hole marked 7x3 in the hinge."

@shipwreck9146

Жыл бұрын

@@johndododoe1411 additionally, they could limit the number of screws by making one side slide into a slot, and then the other side is the only side that needs a screw. (Like an M.2 slot on a motherboard, it's held down on both sides, but only uses 1 screw)

@johndododoe1411

Жыл бұрын

@@shipwreck9146 Screws provide a firmer clamping than a ledge. M.2 mounts use a connection and a screw because the connection is needed anyway.

@psifour6759

Жыл бұрын

I strongly support reducing the number of necessary fasteners with good engineering and bright markings for screw locations (which are covered when a screw is inserted). I also support electronic detection systems (when appropriate), but on-board systems can be as complex as a full bios level readout or as simple as a labeled storage compartment included in the device housing. I think we agree on the principle that if Linus missed a screw in reassembly, this should be looked at a bit more on the design/engineering side.

@Idiomatick

Жыл бұрын

@@johndododoe1411 Coloured screws is the way to go. GREEN SCREW GO IN GREEN HOLE is as idiot proof as it gets.

As a suggestion: Providing that case schematic makes the motherboard itself a competitor to devboards like the rasp pi and jetson nano - definitely market that more!

Honestly they should start offering the chassis like the top and bottom in different colors like black and red or blue etc… white. I’m really excited about this brand and I will be needing a window/Linux work laptop soon. But I’m going back and forth between getting a 13” and at some point adding an eGPU or waiting till later this year and getting the 16” but idk how long that wait will be if it will be like preorders at the end of the year or actual availability! I’m needed a laptop just at the wrong time cuz they are about to have the AMD drop but it will be late Q4 before the laptops are available 🥺 idk if I can wait that long with my current set up lol. But I love seeing the modularity and the community growing around these devices already. It’s really amazing that Linus got involved because I think that pushes more people to test out the framework which should ultimately mean they will succeed! This is amazing for consumers, businesses, tinkerers, Linux users! So many people benefit from this style and the mods and upgrade paths I love it lol

I really hope Framework survives. This really makes sense and seems to be pretty well executed as well.

Loving the progress that Framework is making, I really really hope they keep on moving forward and expanding their lineup. Hopefully they'll eventually make bigger versions and add GPU options at some point. It'd be especially cool if they could make a separate GPU board that you could upgrade independently of the main board.

@Ebondeath22

Жыл бұрын

Read my previous comment. I think it’s a great idea!

@scottvalentine1749

Жыл бұрын

The only reason I didn’t purchase a framework was the lack of discrete GPU

@javierolavarria

Жыл бұрын

They going to tell you: buy an e-gpu and use thunderbolt.

@bionicgeekgrrl

Жыл бұрын

Amds igpus would be a good option to offer as they are much better than most of what intel offer as well as the benefits of better efficiency.

@mndlessdrwer

Жыл бұрын

I'd be intrigued to see what they could do if AMD does actually partner with them. Something with AMD's Ryzen 9 6900HS? A collaboration with Valve to make a SteamOS compliant laptop? That would be legitimately intriguing.

i would love a little follow up video on that old laptop, like how well does it compare to the original chassis in terms of temps.

it'd be cool to see board replacements with alternate architectures like arm or risc-v in the future.

I'm now considering the Framework for having a futureproof laptop. Swapping the I/O rig seemed cool in the beginning, but not very useful in the sense of 'upgrading' things, it felt like it'd be useful for just changing your loadout or repairing something. Swapping the motherboard for a new gen CPU, swapping chassis for more sturdiness, now that is extremely cool and makes a huge difference

@botagasss

Жыл бұрын

I would pick a framework myself as someone who is pretty tech-savyy. However, I still went with the Macbook Pro. No upgradability, repairability, but incredible inclusion, interaction between devices and battery life, which is crucial for me as a student. In the end, what you purchase depends solely on what you are going to use it for. The company policies might be wrong, and in these times, Framework might be something that will grow and lead the way for other companies in the future, which is what I hope for, regardless if it's too optimistic or not.

@RealNathanExplosion

Жыл бұрын

@@botagasss MacBooks are far and away the best laptops for all around use. Even our once apple hating coders all switched to MacBooks. Now desktops? Windows all day everyday

@xenn4985

Жыл бұрын

@@RealNathanExplosion "Even our once apple hating coders all switched to MacBooks" Idk what universe you came from, but in ours coders have always been hypocritical regarding apple.

@fieldrat9046

Жыл бұрын

Just be aware they have terrible battery life, around 5 hours is what you’ll commonly see quoted by owners.

@fieldrat9046

Жыл бұрын

@@xenn4985 Nice that all coders in your universe are the same.

I really hope they'll make a future version with a dedicated GPU that is gaming capable. Upgrading your GPU down the line is far more interesting to me than upgrading your CPU.

@MindForgedManacle

Жыл бұрын

That'll come down to manufacturers offering suitably sized GPUs (maybe a line specifically for modular laptops?). I really hope it happens, since I do game on laptop about 1/3rd of the time.

@dicknoseturdwaffle5305

Жыл бұрын

@@MindForgedManacle They used to make them back in the day. Alienware even had them.

@jearlblah5169

Жыл бұрын

I read on their website that they plan to do that eventually

@Kenttheclark

Жыл бұрын

fortunately eGPUs are widely available and relatively cheap

@tv321123

Жыл бұрын

Nvidia used to make MXM or something, format graphics 'cards' that where physical cards that could be changed on the mother board. But that format has long since died, a GPU upgrade would involve changing out the entire motherboard including the CPU since intel dose not make socketed mobile processors anymore.

Very very cool to see the old mobo literally turn into a mini PC. That is such a cool use that is endorsed by the company. Honestly if this were more matured I would have been able to convince my org to replace our fleet of machines with these. Being able to swap components is awesome and old hardware could get recycled. It's so great

I’m not sure how to react to this. My initial reaction “take my money”, gradually changed to “eeegm not so sure about it”.

I've really enjoyed my Framework laptop I got a year ago (after trusting your stake in them) and its been great. I run Pop_OS! and have had no problems. I'm holding out on upgrades for a ryzen model but the ability to use the motherboard outside of the shell is so exciting

The only reason I haven't bought a framework yet is the lack of an AMD option, the Intel cpus run too power hungry and hot for my liking.

@datsuchti7729

Жыл бұрын

tbf the new ones are a lot better now but yeah

@Hotrob_J

Жыл бұрын

I'd also prefer an AMD cpu, but for the better APU options. I'd take the intel though, but I prefer to have a 2-1 device, like with a 360- or z-hinge. Ideally with a pressure sensitive stylus.

@Alpha17x

Жыл бұрын

Same, I'll look at it when I see more options.

@PabloEdvardo

Жыл бұрын

AMD isn't much better on the high end... I've got an AMD Gaming Laptop from 2021 and I have to massively turn down the frequency and boosts to keep it cool during regular tasks.

@jbrown-acuity

Жыл бұрын

ARM would be even better in this regard.

No Ryzen processor options? Why does designing a drop-in motherboard require AMD to cooperate?

@victorkreig6089

Жыл бұрын

Licensing

I'd have a heart attack if I was a framework executive and saw this title

@GCAT01Living

Жыл бұрын

But then you'd be fine when you skip to the end of the video and hear that Linus is overall satisfied with what they're doing.

@jomo_sh

Жыл бұрын

need people to click

@TAP7a

Жыл бұрын

@@GCAT01Living "skip to the end of the video" Found the executive

@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV

Жыл бұрын

With titles like these the answer is always no.

As a student looking for a new laptop for university next year, I love the way the framework laptop works. Everything is so easily swappable and user accessible. With a laptop being my only computer, having so much granularity and control over my device is comforting and adds a huge piece of mind. The ability to also repurpose old motherboards is such a neat concept and I can easily see myself upgrading and setting aside a motherboard as a media server or a mc server host. Lots of great stuff from framework, I hope they continue pushing right to repair because this looks super good so far :)

@tralala8980

Жыл бұрын

Bought one for a younger relative student, 6 months so far, very happy. He is a non-tech guy, by the way. Battery life is too short (4,5 h) for my taste. But his course work is light, and a mix of offline/online, living very close to university, so he never runs into problems with the battery. Trackpad is a bit loose for my taste. Yet it works so far well for him and is - if it goes bad - user replaceable. He liked hard switches for camera and microphone a lot, plus the fingerprint reader. The screen is bright, so reflection is less of a problem.

@theslavicimmigrant4795

Жыл бұрын

I'd say avoid these. As a student, you need to save money and these laptops are terrible value

@pixxel17

Жыл бұрын

@@tralala8980 Battery life is something I'd have to watch, but hopefully in the next few months the drain issue can be resolved I'm currently using a 6 year old thinkpad so minor imperfections aren't going to be a bother

@pixxel17

Жыл бұрын

@@theslavicimmigrant4795 This is definitely not a value machine, I am looking at getting a new thinkpad or even an asus G14 as the price to performance ratio is quite a bit better (more on the asus than thinkpad side). If I could spend the money I would, but I'd definitely have to wait and see.

@tralala8980

Жыл бұрын

@@pixxel17 Waiting and observing is a productive attitude in this context.

This is awesome! A fully customizable slick lap top, INSANELY COOL!

Maybe on the internal parts they should have colour coded screw holes so that you can easily identify what sized screw goes where. For example red would be the “small screw” (whatever screw spec it is) and blue would be the “medium screw” and so on. They could provided a legend of all the colours and screw specifications for reference to save from colour coding the screws themselves which would be expensive I would assume. Another thing could be that each part could specify how many screws total it requires so you can keep things way dummy proof…so it would be something like Red 4 indicating that this parts requires 4 x red sized screws. This could help with not having extra screws remaining afterwards 😂

@megatronusv2215

Жыл бұрын

That imo requires way more effort than just reading and following the guide that was provided, which Linus omitted

I'm so glad you didn't say they were falling apart. I've been rooting so hard for Framework to succeed and set the standard. Now, if I could only afford one.... Edited for spelling. HA!

@noleftturnunstoned

Жыл бұрын

Nah, the repair-ability make it a cheap option in the long run.

@gg-gn3re

Жыл бұрын

I've been rooting for them. What type of router do you use to route for them?

@ShockingPikachu

Жыл бұрын

I really want an AMD option.

@aethlred7380

Жыл бұрын

I think that's the primary issue with them. Sure right to repair is wonderful. But you need to market that to the common consumer. They need to make it economically make sense more than just environmentally. Sure buying 3 500 dollar laptops over 10 years is horrible for the environment but it takes less out of my bank account when I need a new labtop. Most people aren't buying 1500 dollar labtops they're buying the 4 or 5 hundred dollar ones because they just need it for either work or school and when those wear out or break they just buy another. It needs to be less expensive to maintain your current device than buy a new one. And framework isn't at the moment.

@AndrewTSq

Жыл бұрын

@@aethlred7380 just make The cpu and ram upgradable like laptops used to be

When the ethernet port actually comes out, two of those on the old motherboard would also make for a pretty good firewall with dedicated ingress and egress network ports.

@katech6020

Жыл бұрын

or you can make any kind of home server with it

@marcbarbier5646

Жыл бұрын

a firewall with some serious hosting capabilities. you can host websites game servers and so on a cpu like this.

@Clockdistrict

Жыл бұрын

@@katech6020 Actually that would be really neat turning those motherboards into a blade system

@Postman00

Жыл бұрын

While certainly a very reasonable use case, that's a rather overpowered (and expensive) firewall considering how little CPU a multi-gig internet pfsense/opnsense system needs, and how affordable retired data centre Intel X540-based dual 10G NICs can be bought for.

@TheJasonmanguy

Жыл бұрын

@@Postman00 Yes but if you were already planning on upgrading your motherboard then it makes sense to use what you already have to make something pretty cool.

I loved the reference to Big Clive at 9:28 -- nice!

That thumbnail tho...

The option to repurpose the old motherboard to a mini pc instantly made me think of mounting it to the back of a TV with a wireless keyboard and mouse. Instant HTPC and it could stream games from your main PC easily.

@pandemicneetbux2110

Жыл бұрын

That'd be pretty neat too. It reminds me, more darkly, of Syrians repurposing consoles to drone and tank guidance systems. I mean really if you stop thinking like a consoomer and start thinking like a tinkerer, it's like the difference between decadent today and shining glorious tomorrow. Or just being cheap as an old world immigrant. "$1000! what do you mean $1000? $1000 with my sick mother, tell you what I'll pay you $20 for a used motherboard an an old display panel I'll fgure out the rest."

@MegaPremios

Жыл бұрын

Just get a Steam link

@itsexpla

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaPremios why not reuse something that works the same or even better ??

@topbadgun

Жыл бұрын

Turn it to a AIO PC.

@theyoutuber273

Жыл бұрын

If this continues for few years, the second hand market for the motherboard will be also insanely great.

I was actually wondering about Thunderbolt support for Framework, but I’m glad it’s (unofficially) available.

@spdcrzy

Жыл бұрын

It's the most underrated part of the motherboard. FOUR. Not one, not two, not three, but FOUR USB4 ports with TBolt support on Every. Single. Port. I can't think of a single other laptop that does that.

@johnbuscher

Жыл бұрын

@@spdcrzy Not even the new Macbooks have 4. Now, granted, they have dedicated ports so overall you get a little more IO, but still.

@spdcrzy

Жыл бұрын

@@johnbuscher yeah, AFAIK every single port has its own dedicated controller too, which is INSANE. That's where your hidden cost is going when people ask "BUT ITS SO EXPENSIVE"

@hochulimarc2835

Жыл бұрын

@@johnbuscher The MacBook Pros have 4 Thunderbolt ports since 2016.

I like the orange bezel. A little color to get the creative juices flowin when writing is always welcome.

Awesome!!!! I hope it will be available here in the Philippines soon.

A buyback scheme would be perfect for these types of motherboard upgrades. Framework gets to sell a motherboard multiple times, and consumers get a small discount.

@durschfalltv7505

Жыл бұрын

Takes alot of work though.

@MindForgedManacle

Жыл бұрын

I want that, though I wonder how economical it would be for Framework to facilitate directly.

@corruptedpoison1

Жыл бұрын

Ebay alone will be a life saver.

@SocksAndPuppets

Жыл бұрын

Framework operate a marketplace for reselling components already?

@Yusuf_K7

Жыл бұрын

Trade ins?

For using their motherboards in a desktop pc with graphics card, I'd love to see an e-GPU case that allows you to mount the motherboard inside. If it then used modules from the laptop to create custom front and rear I/O, I'm sure it would be a real gamechanger in terms of small form factor PCs

@JobBlackheart96

Жыл бұрын

I'd love that.

@rjgrlzn

Жыл бұрын

This.

@yuapanda

Жыл бұрын

For now: Velcro

@TheZerok666

Жыл бұрын

Somebody could technically design a 3D-printed shell for the Framework motherboard that just snaps onto (or screws onto) the e-GPU case. You'd need multiple versions of those (for different e-GPU enclosures), but it's totally doable! Framework could even make the models themselves, for e-GPU docks that they've evaluated and confirmed compatibility with.

@AS-dx3kw

Жыл бұрын

oh that'd be a great invention!

That little trick being able to re-use the old board is very nice, this has caught my eye...

Maybe now you can start convincing Framework to ship them globally.

This whole system is really cool. It’s almost like a company pushing out software patches for their product, but in this case they’re creating fixes for the very hardware on which that software and the user interact with each other. Very neat!

I respect the fact that Linus is willing to be honest- even when it makes him lose money. That is a great way to build trust with not only your viewers, but potential customers.

@3nertia

Жыл бұрын

That's the idea ;)

@-opus

Жыл бұрын

how is a click bait entitled youtube video honest?

@drandersjiang

Жыл бұрын

Do you actually believe that?

@zainmalik1872

Жыл бұрын

@@-opus clickbait is promoted by the algorithm, can't blame them for trying to keep the business alive

@literallyjustayoutubecomme1591

Жыл бұрын

Oh, he's not losing money. How gullible are you? You have any clue how much he's going to make back from this video alone?

absolutely love the concept behind this company! Hope to see an EGPU module that fits the modular system. My thought is that you could make it take up all the slots on a side to give more bandwidth than the average EGPU then have it stick out a few inches past the laptop to give you the real-estate for a good, maybe even desktop grade card, admittedly this would require one heck of a cooling solution...

@user2C47

Жыл бұрын

Probably not enough power for a desktop GPU.

This is really really cool. I'm not in need of a laptop right now, but I will absolutely consider Framework next time I am.

I'm pretty sure when AMD (I think they're waiting for their new iterations to be fit for this) comes in, then they're really going to pick up the pace. As Linus said, for the battery itself, but also for the power consumption overall. It'll be "greener", indeed.

@TechyBen

Жыл бұрын

And hopefully the iGPU. It's still way behind a dGPU but AMD can sometimes double the performance of the intel offerings. Not sure if current gen intel iGPU is close yet though. PS someone below mentioned the Steam Deck, and that has a pretty nice last gen AMD iGPU!

@mamertens99

Жыл бұрын

Such plans often have to be prepared quite early, especially in big companies like AMD. So probably not. Another option would be ARM, when Windows can finally be fully armed.

@8koi245

Жыл бұрын

yesyes plsss

@sovo1212

Жыл бұрын

@@TechyBen I think Valve should partner with Framework to deliver modular standards for PC, laptops AND portable gaming PCs.

@turalahesazdeasefeoglutura8157

Жыл бұрын

@@sovo1212 Hello lovel askim

I've ordered a Framework laptop last month as it's now available in Europe, I wouldn't have discovered it without LTT. Glad to see that the company is developing well !

@AlexanderVRadev

Жыл бұрын

What? I went to their website just now and the only country available I can see is USA. I tried to purchase a module just to see what regions they ship to and the country drop down menu is grayed out and can't be changed. Am I doing something wrong?

@_Targen

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderVRadev It's available in UK, Germany and France

@shipwreck9146

Жыл бұрын

How do you like it so far? Pros and cons?

@_Targen

Жыл бұрын

@@shipwreck9146 Orders in Europe will be shipped in August so I haven't received mine yet. I'll keep you guys updated in a few weeks

@shipwreck9146

Жыл бұрын

@@_Targen You're a hero

Loved the Mini PC part. I used to do that with old Macbooks, I'd take them apart and make a TV box out of them.

This really is what I EXPECTED from laptops when they first became consumer-grade. I LOVE the second PC using the old motherboard. So much. When I buy my next laptop, if they do a high end touch panel for drawing I'll buy one.

As a laptop repair technician, I really enjoy seeing laptops become easier to repair/replace parts for the common man. While I may consider laptops easy to work in now that I've been in the field for a bit, I understand that it's very daunting for someone to just jump into it head first, so seeing a company do something like this really puts a smile on my face

@XSFx5

Жыл бұрын

Same thought here, and also a laptop repair tech :) Some of the laptop-tablet designs have absolutely terrible layered designs. One particular model # I'm thinking off requires you to remove every single internal component to replace the top lid, because the hinge screws and WiFi cables are UNDERNEATH the motherboard and aux board and the keyboard assembly is all one part with a curved metal edge that overlaps the heatsink. And don't even get me started on manufacturers using all sorts of different sized screws. If Framework is going to continue along this line of progress and can make it cost-effective, don't be surprised if big-box/online retailers start carrying their Framework products. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

@mavlnt

Жыл бұрын

@@XSFx5 i have a box full of about 30 macbooks that need to go out to apple for rma, i manage and maintain a fleet of ~450 macbooks and it is not fun when repairs need to be made, luckily apple is starting to get a little nicer and we are starting to get replacement parts instead of rma only

@RealSpartn

Жыл бұрын

@@XSFx5 that laptop design you mentioned sounds absolutely horrendous, im so sorry if you have to deal with that often. I work for a large tech company and really only repair their laptops, and to be truthful they are pretty good on being consistent with most screws being the same size, but from all the other laptops ive worked on before i know that it is definitely a problem. I really do hope that framework becomes successful enough to be a in-store option

I've been watching Linus for several years now and the man is at least consistent: Everything that can go wrong in a simple upgrade WILL go wrong. But only because Linus touched it.

@yuxuanhuang3523

Жыл бұрын

Only if Frameworks used all the same screws or just marked them with color. Silver for chassis, black for motherboard, red for screens. Then just print a circle of the same color around the screw holes. Do it in the repair menu as well. I love color coded screws and parts, not idiot-proof but if you can always remedy your mistake if you happen to mess up the screws

@harrikangur

Жыл бұрын

He didn't drop the motherboard which I was sure he will when shaking it out of the box, lol.

@TheCodeTinkerer

Жыл бұрын

He's the perfect tester

Man I can imagine people upgrading their framework laptops and then turning the old motherboard into a PC for their friend or younger sibling to use. This is just such a good idea.

We have a term in tech support industry which this video reminded me of. PIBCAK Problem Is Between Chair And Keyboard

@lesliesavage9229

Жыл бұрын

We also love it when amateurs play with their computers, because they end up calling us, and we charge them to fix their mess.

Just last week I convinced my boss to let me pitch Framework laptops to a client and they signed off! Can't wait to show my boss this new update on your interactions with being an investor and end user of Framework products to further instill some confidence in the brand and ultimately the environmental benefits they strive for. So excited to start ordering some of these bad boys!

@ragazzotedesco4216

Жыл бұрын

you're a God :D

@antiwoosh4302

Жыл бұрын

awesome

@thatguyalex2835

Жыл бұрын

How did you convince him/her to allow you to pitch these laptops to a client? :) Many people are kinda wary of new startup products. By the way, thanks for being for the Right To Repair movement and spreading this Framework laptop brand to everybody, God bless you.

@MtnNerd

Жыл бұрын

It sounds great for that kind of environment. Just swap out anything that breaks and have extra parts on hand.

@Tipman2OOO

Жыл бұрын

Sick keep doing the good work brother!

As well as an AMD option I would love to see 15 or 16" option. There would be a bit of carry over from the 13.3" version eg battery, motherboard, keyboard, trackpad even if some of those things would be better having a bespoke 15"+ version

@theSrex

Жыл бұрын

Same, I just like having that extra screen estate. Also numpad.

@PhilfreezeCH

Жыл бұрын

Since they didn‘t separate the IOs onto a separate PCB a 15“ version either needs different IO modules (longer) or a different motherboard. If they had chosen to use flex PCBs to connect the motherboard this would not have been an issue. But I assume that is more expensive.

@lordwafflesthegreat

Жыл бұрын

@@PhilfreezeCH or they could sell an "extender" which adapts 13in mb to 15in by internaly extending the connections for the modules to the jacks. The 15in mb would be a bigger size to accommodate a dedicated GPU and more robust cooling.

@atemoc

Жыл бұрын

@@theSrex While I love numpads myself, but on a laptop, no, as they make the main part of the keyboard off-center, and I hate that

@justusmzb7441

Жыл бұрын

I doubt that this will fit their business plan anytime soon. It would require a whole new infrastructure for motherboards etc... And the kind of laptop they are selling currently definitely has the largest amount of interested potential customers.

would be cool if you could custom order one of these to come without a certain part like the camera or microphone, you would save money and e-waste

@gecked8560

Жыл бұрын

You can remove things like RAM and Storage

@JacobLeeson-zk1ol

Жыл бұрын

@@gecked8560es but he means removed in advance. Right now you can select parts you want but you have to either buy individual parts, select bundles, or an entire computer. They want a assembled computer minus a few parts. It’s more economical than buying individual and more ecological and economical than removing parts. However it is difficult for the company. Adds a lot of logistics both on the software end for making a website that can do that and for assembly lines. Also it would be hard to put a price on a partially made laptop. People would expect it to be cheaper than a full laptop and cheaper than buying individual parts which makes pricing complex. Plus you have to factor in assembly cost.

@andredanieldasilvaleite3672

Жыл бұрын

Problem is, customization at that level would add a lot of work for the company. I don't think it'd make it cheaper, rather the opposite

@funnymemez2095

Жыл бұрын

@@andredanieldasilvaleite3672 right you do have a point there, although if you could change more in the laptop like having this specific chassis and this resolution screen with this refresh rate that would maybe work out

I really hope this company will make a two in one design with active pen support. I really depend on those kinds of laptops designs. I personally like the designs that have a single hinge that swivels so you don't even need to pick up the laptop to make it into a tablet or to show the screen to some else

ngl i think it would be awesome if framework made it possible to return the parts u replace like the back panel or the motherboard and they give you some money back compared to its state so they can reduce electronics pollution and also recycle the good parts on the motherboard if not the whole thing

@evanwatling3897

Жыл бұрын

Doesn’t even have to give money back, just sending them to be recycled would be nice

@LiveType

Жыл бұрын

While a decent idea, that sounds like far too much a hassle for the size of company framework is. If I was framework's CEO, that wouldn't be in consideration for a while. Remember, reduce comes first, reuse second (I'd say framework does a good job for those 2 categories besides the whole "cool new tech you should buy" not really being a reduction of consumption), and recycling last. Recycling is hard which means expensive. But I would put it on the roadmap.

@RycoonGalloy

Жыл бұрын

@@LiveType doesn't have to be recycling, could be refurbed

@Silverwidows

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking that, but maybe for a few generations away, so someone who can't afford the latest motherboard swap can go to frameworks "used" section and upgrade their old framework motherboard, to the series thats one better. Paying users a bit of money is also a good idea, because even people who are more concious about these things need an incentive to go out of their way to post it back to them. Then framework can sell it and still make a little bit of profit themselves i.e they buy back your board for $300 and sell it to someone else for $400

@Thalestr

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the emissions of shipping your parts back would likely nullify the gains you'd get from doing this. The less time things spend on a plane, truck, or boat - the better. We would also have to make sure Framework is actually processing returned parts rather than throwing them out, which is unfortunately a common practice with many types of recycling.

Man I can't wait for AMD variants of this laptop. I am very excited for the future of framework. I also hope they make a model in the future with dedicated graphics options, because at that point it will be the best laptop possible to buy and basically the first time you can swap your GPU in a laptop and upgrade it. Great video as always. Keep up the great work guys 😁

@pietrocavicchioli6128

Жыл бұрын

Not the first time, MXM was a thing in the past already, but yeah, it would still be awesome

@larsolav

Жыл бұрын

Disagree on having dedicated GPU. Integrated graphics have been improving a lot lately. I don't think dedicated GPUs are here to stay, so it would probably be a bad investment long term.

@EngineerAAJ

Жыл бұрын

I loved what Linus did here, is like a free Raspberry when you upgrade your laptop :D

@paulie-g

Жыл бұрын

@@larsolav They definitely are here to stay for gaming, video editing, animation/3d-authoring, CAD and so on. But there's just no good way to use the existing design with a discrete GPU, the laptop already has battery life issues, and, frankly, there's a massive market of people who just don't care about those use cases, at least not on a ultraportable laptop. Those who do tend to be in the Apple cult anyway and don't see how a normal person ought ever be able to repair a thing they own, or really own a thing they bought. Deprogramming them is not a good way to make money for a young company.

@Manie230

Жыл бұрын

@@paulie-g I just wanted to agree with you here. Designated GPUs will Never die out as far as I can see in the future. Because of branches like gaming and rendering. In the use cases of just office stuff most internal GPUs can already handle all that.

6:04 if you cant find where the screw belongs, its not important

Honestly, I think I might make a desktop build using the board and getting an eGPU as my next build. That smaller footprint with potentially upgradable modules is actually really awesome, and that gives you so much more flexibility than being locked down to one motherboard and one set up for x amount of years.

They really should have AMD versions, and well the only way it can succeed is equivalent pricing and QC in all parts. ($925 for a functional non DGPU laptop is just crazy for most people. A AMD 6000 series with a RX680M IGPU will be better than a intel Xe, if it has to be that way.)

@vinson3725

Жыл бұрын

agreed

@jooplin

Жыл бұрын

My guess is that they wait for the official thunderbolt support of AMD

@Sinaeb

Жыл бұрын

@@jooplin so never

@photonicpizza1466

Жыл бұрын

@@jooplin That’s not going to happen anytime soon, the best we’ll get for the time being is USB4 in Zen 4. And it’s not necessary anyway, some AMD motherboards support Thunderbolt 3 already even though the CPU doesn’t; the board manufacturer (in this case Framework) can implement it themselves. This is more about the two companies simply not reaching a deal, not any technical limitations.

@Michael-wo6ld

Жыл бұрын

Performance on a productivity machine is not important to most people. What does matter are things like build quality, trackpad, keyboard, and battery life. And $1k for a reasonably thin and light laptop built well is absolutely normal.

I think every sff enthusiast just ascended when Linus got to the “mini pc from the old motherboard” part Can’t wait to actually make super tiny mobile desktops with this stuff

@johndododoe1411

Жыл бұрын

Especially with a metal case that's fully shielded and ways to reconfigure the motherboard without access to a charged dismembered laptop.

@twanvanderdonk2504

Жыл бұрын

sff?

@earthling_parth

Жыл бұрын

@@twanvanderdonk2504 Apparently, it means "small form factor".

@twanvanderdonk2504

Жыл бұрын

@@earthling_parth Ohh thank you!

@johndurrett3573

Жыл бұрын

@@johndododoe1411 Metal casings and all would be an improvement for future development. But I really dont know any current laptop MB that was converted into a small form factor desktop until I watched this today. Wonderful development for diy.

We’re so close to the 2 year anniversary

I bought one half a year ago as my private laptop and I am somewhat happy with it: Most of the hardware issues (trackpad, fingerprint reader) went away with the newer Kernel that comes Ubuntu 22.04 . The only remaining issue is the low battery life and that the battery drains within a day on suspend. Not a big issue for me as for traveling I use my company-issued Mac but if this was my only daily driver that would suck a lot. Other than that it is fantastic. I pitched this to the IT department of my employer because we can easily switch keyboards to the liking of new employees and adjust specs and label ourselves a bit greener doing so. But sadly, we as a company only support (very) cheap Windows boxes for everyone not in engineering and Macs for the rest.

Framework is proabably one of the best company we have in terms of morals. They put a heavy emphasis on linux, they allow for upgradability, and the laptops themselves are super powerful. What more could we ask for?

@twizz420

Жыл бұрын

AMD?

@neelbanga

Жыл бұрын

@@twizz420 Yeah, I'd love an AMD option, hopefully we can get it around zen 4.

@vaisakhkm783

Жыл бұрын

and ship world wide? 😭😭 i have been waiting over an year

@Appri

Жыл бұрын

I can't really agree about the linux part, but I guess allowing more user modification is always better. DGPUs and Ryzen would be the next step.

@ttuori8592

Жыл бұрын

lenovo has been doing that with thinkpads for years, mostly the P, W, and T lines and below