Framework has the chance to be the undisputed king in repairable laptops. Pray there's a day where their mission includes phones as well.

@jimby812

4 ай бұрын

The fairphone already exists.

@andyH_England

4 ай бұрын

I don't even think there is a sector for repairable laptops. It is 2024 and the lifetime of laptop this and last year are likely to be 10 years plus making repairable laptops moot unless you are careless and break them. I have a three and a half year old MacBook Pro and an 8-year MacBook Pro. Both are going great. I think repairable laptops are niche and a lifestyle choice by a tiny minority. But I'm glad there is something for you even though it is rather expensive for what you're getting.

@L1PiD

4 ай бұрын

@@jimby812 just doesn’t feel refined as a product. That’s just my opinion tho,

@Kaenguruu

4 ай бұрын

@@andyH_EnglandTheres also the aspect of upgradeability meaning being able to modify the components over time to adjust to greater demands either because of the tech generally (e.g. video games, so RayTracing, DLSS etc.) or simply because you aren't utilizing your laptop for the same type of work anymore. Ignoring this is a pretty big oversight.

@tuannguyenminh2870

4 ай бұрын

I don't exactly care about repairability but upgradability. My electronic doesn't break that much. But also for most people if the laptop is broken, they won't order new parts but bring it to the repair shop anyway.

Linus skipping the add in his own video is absolutely priceless

@user-te7rf8ik7z

4 ай бұрын

Remember, that's piracy!

@Tmtrnr

4 ай бұрын

adblock is piracy - linus

@mikeuk1927

4 ай бұрын

You can't really pirate your own IP, can you :p

@SeeMeRoland

4 ай бұрын

Linus Thievery Group

@raawesome3851

4 ай бұрын

​@@user-te7rf8ik7zskipping ads is not the same as blocking them outright. You'd still get money from skipped ads 💀

48 minutes?! Jeez, I need a Clips channel of LMG Clips channel.

@user-qx6xh4kz6l

3 ай бұрын

and for that Clips channel of Clips channel, we would need a Shorts Channel

@SolidNate99

2 ай бұрын

Haha for sure

@oncallforlife6986

2 ай бұрын

Well to be fair this Wan show stream is think was like 5 hours long lmao

@MattA-fi5qe

Ай бұрын

I think Linus himself is all the shorts content we need /s

@SolidNate99

Ай бұрын

@@MattA-fi5qe i was excited when Linus made a video about him retiring but he's still making lots of videos

WAAAAAH - them watching it at 1.75x while i'm watching them at 2x is a LOT

@FBI_Master

4 ай бұрын

I have a plugin for 2.6x

@user-zn9ke8um8s

4 ай бұрын

​@@FBI_MasterI have revanced for up to 10x with no ads and sponsor block 😂😂

@johnmoore1495

4 ай бұрын

@@FBI_Masteris there something special about 2.6x or is it just the fastest that you can generally understand?

@mike4402

4 ай бұрын

zoomers

@MR-vj8dn

4 ай бұрын

May I ask, what do you do with the time you don’t have to spend when you watch videos at 2x?

Elijah somehow being the only one capable of doing backflips and linus immediately dismissing it is hilarious.🤣

@thatitman9554

4 ай бұрын

i just want to know why it was such a fast and hard no

@Slayer666th

4 ай бұрын

@@thatitman9554 i know at least of the 5000$ upgrade video that he is a magnet for insuring himself. it was actually hilarious in that video

@dazley8021

4 ай бұрын

@@thatitman9554 in the few videos he was featured he managed to injure himself a few times. i mean it just can be a fluke but that hard no from linus kinda speaks volumes and linus likes his insurance rates not raised 😁

@Teraplexor1

4 ай бұрын

​@@Slayer666thwhat video was that?

@drackar

4 ай бұрын

@@thatitman9554 specifically where the dude slipped and fell down some stairs in a upgrade video.

19:25 Linus* quoting Linus** (*Sebastian) (**Torvalds)

@aseemdua5086

4 ай бұрын

It would be fun to see a mash-up of this.

@nankinink

4 ай бұрын

The first thing came to mind when Linus was swearing the f out of nvidia was Linus middle finger and saying "f you nvidiax lmao

@fedor-kokosik

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, every Linus must say " fuck nvidia"

@leonro

3 ай бұрын

could have just said "ltt linus quoting linux linus"

2/2 Linus swear at NVIDIA (Sebastian and Torvalds)

@BigDogHaver

Ай бұрын

looool

Framework is looking into the deck flex too. I'll post an excerpt from the pre-order emails that they sent which calls out the LTT video as the reason to start investigating it. "Keyboard deflection - We’ve seen largely positive feedback on the input deck feel, but also specifically saw LTT’s video in which they flagged keyboard deflection and the workaround they applied. We’re investigating whether there could have been either an issue on that unit or a scenario that can result in the mid plate not being flat. In either case, if we find that there is an improvement we can apply on this, we will do so and ship out any parts necessary for that to customers whose units have already shipped."

@benjaminoechsli1941

3 ай бұрын

They mention that at 25:09, but thank you for sharing the actual excerpt! Keep improving, Framework.

@Varadiio

3 ай бұрын

"Keyboard deflection - We’ve seen largely positive feedback on the input deck feel..." That market spin BS tho. Not winning any hearts like that.

@Fosellar

3 ай бұрын

@@Varadiio I mean, if it's true it's true. As long as they actually address the issue some people experience then it's fine to mention that others have no issue.

love hearing linus swear even when partly bleeped

@jacobfaseler5311

3 ай бұрын

Especially to the tune of “fuck you NVIDIA” - following in the footsteps of the great😂

@benjaminbadina2201

3 ай бұрын

@@jacobfaseler5311 it seems like it's a default mode for all Linuses

@joee7452

3 ай бұрын

@@jacobfaseler5311 It was interesting. But the tune seemed to imply that there is only 1 GPU maker and they are the only one that matters. I was waiting for him to say that they would be working with AMD for something and he basically ignored that they even exist. Am I the only one that wonders why AMD wasn't mentioned as an option for working with to make a modular GPU like that or roasted just as hard for not allowing it like Nvidia? What about Intel?

@jacobfaseler5311

3 ай бұрын

@@joee7452 people tend to focus on the negatives - hopefully omission of discussion on the others implies they’re still viable futures.

@alexrose1ukv2

Күн бұрын

@@joee7452 its because Nvidia is by far the larger GPU partner in desktop/laptop, and a lot of people will ignore anything that doesn't have the Nvidia stamp. They have the mindshare, and as shown here, aren't afraid to abuse it. Even in GPU enthusiast circles, where people know more and realise modern AMD is viable and has reasonable drivers, many still go with Nvidia because of DLSS or other reasons. So in a sense it DOES matter if Nvidia won't do it, because AMD just doesn't carry the weight that Nvidia does.

Honestly the Verge’s review is pretty fair considering the circumstances of their unit. It actually reminds me of Doug talking about a Tesla engineer showing up with a pre-prod cybertruck

@CorneliusCornbread

3 ай бұрын

Based on them saying their unit ran hot and loud, it sounds like a bad unit. Which isn't something to ignore, in fact quite the opposite, but I think understanding that it was a bad unit is important context. Hopefully these bad units aren't that common.

@CodeAsm

3 ай бұрын

@@CorneliusCornbread Frameworks support is pretty chill if you provide the right evidence. Also hope not too many ppl overload their support. if its a fault they can fix with a new part or boardswap. that be great. I got my fan replaced (FW13, 12th gen) for free (cause it was making noises and looked clean). a video before and after "cleaning" proved it for them. But they get alott of support tickets from ppl breaking their own stuff sadly

@kendokaaa

3 ай бұрын

I wish more outlets did like some PC reviewers do which is to contact the company, see if they know about the issue. Sometimes you just get a lemon and that shouldn't affect the review

@cameronbosch1213

2 ай бұрын

​@kendokaaa I can confirm The Verge had a lemon. My finalized unit is perfectly fine. No BSODs or kernel panics on it, and the keyboard flex by the L key isn't more than say an HP Omen.

@heroninja1125

2 ай бұрын

@@CorneliusCornbread Well, if anything its to be expected that they get bad units. Framework themselves said that the review units were chosen because most of them were deemed as not acceptable to send to consumers. And instead decided to send them to reviewers.

I love the Linus doing the Linus. Flipping the finger at NVIDIA.

32:28 Linus you made my point as to why the position on graphs should be fixed between tests. Just choose something alphabetical, price, or even the writers mood and keep it that way. Having the graphs be fixed in position makes for much better viewing experience.

@andreirachko

3 ай бұрын

100% Just a few days ago Linus was defending the switching scheme somewhere, but now he visibly suffers from it himself. Karma is all I’ll say. They gotta fix it.

@Melchirobin

3 ай бұрын

@@andreirachko If you can find it please let me know. I’m honestly curious to what the reason is for switch ordering every chart. The only people it helps is for people to take screenshots and post to other websites but I thought that’s what Labs was for. For the format of video it makes no sense in my opinion

@kluevo

3 ай бұрын

@@Melchirobin not really applicable to this specific graph, but for cases where there's five+ devices being compared, or if there are close scorers, it does sorta help establish relative ranking

@CodeAsm

3 ай бұрын

agree here.

@leonro

3 ай бұрын

In my opinion, it should be ordered based on performance when it's more products (like a GPU review), but the places should stay the same when it's two or three products being compared. That, or make it obvious which product you're talking about by using a different colour, like instead of everything being magenta, they could give the framework numbers a different colour like turquoise. (also, inverted colours are better for colourblind people)

I mean the Verge's poor review of a build-it-yourself computer makes sense, given the way they build computers edit: this is a joke

@WarrenGarabrandt

4 ай бұрын

got'em!

@carlwheezer1544

4 ай бұрын

ltt audience try to have any other joke than the verge pc build challenge (impossible mode)

@angelaizen2231

4 ай бұрын

​@carlwheezer1544 In this context, it made perfect sense lmao. Linus was the only tech creator that didn't shit all over them publicly for it, and even got stephan on show to rebuild the whole system, and they both explained where the bad points were. Linus is a G for that. Didn't shit over them, and instead gave constructive feedback, while teaching him how to build one for real.

@iso_2013

4 ай бұрын

@@angelaizen2231 twas a joke

@angelaizen2231

4 ай бұрын

@iso_2013 I was replying to the guy above me, not you, dw.

50 minute clip, whoa

@IamYuto

4 ай бұрын

The new channel "LMG Clips of Clips" will launch soon!

@benjaminoechsli1941

3 ай бұрын

I appreciate clipping by topic. 👍

41:53 YEAH... It's Luke's insightful commentary that keeps bringing me back to this channel. YEAH.

@jacobroeland

4 ай бұрын

Yeah.

I mean it is the verge, they may have forgotten to isolate the PSU from the case or something like that.

@MrWillypanda88

4 ай бұрын

they might even forgot to update or even installing the any drivers even. It's the Verge, any sane user won't even look at them for technical knowledge

@colinmartin9797

4 ай бұрын

​@@MrWillypanda88but it's still important user info and it's good on the verge to update that they're getting a non-pre-production unit and might update their review. The bigger issue is how dumb it was that framework sent preproduction units.

@Yasokuhl35

4 ай бұрын

@@MrWillypanda88 The verge is aimed at a casual audience without much tech knowledge. It makes sense for them to test things as they come out of the box as most current production laptops simply come ready to run since their target audience doesn't want to hunt for drivers on some OEM website. Manually installing drivers isn't really a thing anymore anyways, Windows does a decent job at doing that for the user. I doubt any casual user needed to install drivers since Win10, maybe on a Desktop for the GPU (even then, the default windows graphics drivers usually work okay. A bit outdated but it's not like you only get 600x800 anymore) but not on any known brand laptop. Framework is really at fault here for shipping a pre production unit, maybe even without including relevant information (like, we still update drivers to regularly to ship them on the device - get them from here [url])

MXM was a nightmare. I had a 17" Alienware from the old days that came with a 480m?(might not be right with that). I upgraded to an Nvidia 980, which on mobile had 6gb as compared to the desktop which only had 4gb. What a nightmare,the case had to be dremelled in places, the card was slightly offset to the right from the socket, I had to use a grinder on the heat sink and lots of thermal pads to accommodate the different ram locations. You also had to modify the info in the driver bios because Nvidia didn't want to allow you to put driver's for a card that wasn't on its list of official builds. In the end it worked, ran cool, was fast, it was a good gamer even in 2020. Then 6 months down the line it popped something during a stressful load. Like $450 total down the drain for a short run. MXM sucked rhinoceros balls..

@DrBunhead95

4 ай бұрын

As far as i remember, it was not really standardized (or rather enfoced strictly), and whats worse, Dell/Alienware was one of "those guys" which tried HARD to deviate in shape/placement of components as much as possible. Clevo/MSI/Lenovo versions of same cards were not compatible with Alienware bodies and vice versa. Also - it was highly adivised to buy proper, complementary to chosen GPU , heatsink. I BET MY ASS, if your laptop originally came with 480m it was not "meant" to be upgraded further than 6xx/7xx/8xx (which were basically same cards in laptops, but reheated burgers...). 9xx and 10xx gen of cards were different in some major ways which meant that no eng. could have forseen than 4-5 years into the future. As some useless info - i believe anything higher than 1060 needed some externar clock signal or something, which rendered old MXM laptops unable to run them. In the end - fact that (not without issues) you actually could do it... was unbelievable in laptop market. Hence my opinion is MXM was great, albeit not used "correctly" - not standardized enough, no major official manufacturers support for swaps. Kits for upgrades were wery rare to be distributed in any major and official way (not that there were none of 'em to be clear)

@Lollllllz

4 ай бұрын

@@DrBunhead95 it was nvidia dropping support for LVDS display output(requiring eDP or atleast optimus to have the igpu handle the video output) in the 1060+ cards and legacy bios support in the 9xxM cards that crippled compatibility with older laptops especially the former. As for physical compatibility goes I think AW/clevo/msi had at one point shared a 'standard' type B layout until the maxwell generation sharing the GPU/Vram/Screw hole Placement and PCB Sizing. Signaling, power and physical constraints seems to limit that "standardized" type B to 1080/2060/3060 cards that led its use being discontinued in favor of custom solutions. I dont think the framework gpu solution on its own would gain traction in a similar scale as the "Standardized MXM 3.0 Type B" as used by Clevo/AW/MSI and Industrial/Medical applications(which refuses to allow the format to die and seems to have created Type B+ for the 2080/3080) as people are upgrading the laptops beyond what the manufacturers are willing to provide and support.Unless more manufacturers adopt the format and create upgrades for it this would end up like DGFF or Clevo/MSI's variation on the MXM format.

@tacokoneko

3 ай бұрын

MXM standardizes the *slot but **_not_** the screw hole positions or the board size and shape* . that's the problem. every single MXM board has a chance to have completely different screw holes and board shape meaning it is impossible to transplant. pack it up thats all folks go home.

Id love a framework, but theyre just too expensive. Its a cool idea though

@552jacki3

4 ай бұрын

Yeah that's the price of a (relatively) low production, niche product. Hopefully it'll get cheaper as it becomes more popular.

@KptnAutismus

4 ай бұрын

if i ever needed a laptop, i'd buy a used one anyway. once the framework is a few years old, there'll probably be a coule of used 13s for sale.

@TCLe

4 ай бұрын

If you don't mind older generation ones you can find cheap 11th gen units on their marketplace

@joergsonnenberger6836

4 ай бұрын

@@552jacki3 No, it's not the price of a low production. It's the price of a business machine.

@MrDummyisDumb

4 ай бұрын

I actually don't think the laptop initially is too bad, but it's the upgrades. For what a new motherboard goes for you're better off just buying a new laptop every 4 years which is basically what the business model has been the past decade

if that connection is a full x16 PCI, I'd love to see that connection used as an eGPU dock.

@JessicaFEREM

4 ай бұрын

why would you do that? the GPU turns off when it's not being used. You're not saving any room by doing it, and battery life difference is negligible. plus the GPU connection needs to be screwed in and you have to have the laptop turned off while you do this. it is an internal PCIe connector.

@akiesa559

4 ай бұрын

probably 8 lanes

@peterhindes56

4 ай бұрын

@@akiesa559iirc it is

@pmc_

4 ай бұрын

@@JessicaFEREM cooling and power delivery for ultra high performance - good luck cooling and powering something like a desktop 4090 in that module's form factor

@p3chv0gel22

4 ай бұрын

​@@pmc_tbf cooling a 4090 is hard in nearly any formfactor

hes only watching their own video because then its a double tax write off

I just got my FW16 and am very happy with it, was a bit anxious that the screen wouldnt be up to it but its excellent quality. I have had 4 MBP's since 2013 and am looking forward to upgrading this beast.

Imagine if user upgradeable and modular laptops continued to be developed 25 ish years ago when Apple brought out the Pizmo where the framework would be now?

I've been watching LTT for years but this was my first WAN show. Pretty great stuff.

About the Screen lifting with one finger, let's all remember what the greatest sages of consumer electronics said a while ago about a similar issue with certain phone. "You are lifting it wrong!"

@robertt9342

4 ай бұрын

I hope you’re not one of those people that mercilessly mocked him for that statement given your post…

@D1n75

3 ай бұрын

Mocking apple and their statement about the antennas in the iphone 4. Let me rephrase to better match what Jobs said at that time: "Avoid LIFTING it that way! @@robertt9342

@D1n75

Ай бұрын

@@robertt9342 you mean apple? Anytime!

For a customizable product, this really is a nice and thoughtful design.

MXM upgrading was a total nightmare and was nothing like upgrading a desktop graphics card. i had a Alienware M17X R4 and changed the dead MXM out these are the issues faced on that platform: Power delivery issues thermal solution issues output/input issues UEFI/BIOS issues Fan speed issues you could swap one MXM for another but it was essentially an EXPERT level only upgrade, and required custom VBIOS and BIOS in many cases to make it work.

@Will-sc3hw

3 ай бұрын

They should have made a mxm2 with a full redesign. It could have been fixed. Shitty oem bioses didn't help

@Dreams_Of_Lavender

2 ай бұрын

It's what I'm having to deal with playing with a 2011 iMac. Those Terascale GPUs are ticking time bombs and if you wanna use OCLP to put newer versions of macOS on it, it's not compatible with the Metal API so you're missing out on acceleration in most applications. There's a pretty wide variety of MXM cards that could go in them, and a large thread of BIOSes and cards with methods used to make them work, but a good number of them require modifications either to resistors and solder jumpers on the card itself, or copper shims to increase the die height, or pieces that need to be cut off the heatsink to make room for coils and other tall components. But they ALL need custom bioses to function.

The Verge was probably using the livestrong static braclet 😂

48 minute is a clip on this channel. Jesus

@bradhaines3142

4 ай бұрын

WAN show has stretched to an easy 3hrs now. so its still a clip of it.

@javierflores09

4 ай бұрын

@@bradhaines3142 that's a third of the whole stream, so it is ehh. But to be fair, they do only make it long when there's a need for it, as in when the context of the clip stretches that much. If anything, I prefer longer clips rather than out of context takes, since there's no room for misunderstanding that way

@benjaminoechsli1941

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, editors. I don't want to watch 15 clips of one subject.

High point of the day: finding that there really is a company called Big Ass Fans.

@myrealusername2193

4 ай бұрын

They make fans for Costco among other companies

@reoencarcelado5904

3 ай бұрын

@JamesJones-zt2yx: I wonder who their Biggest Fan is. 😂

@willmons1197

3 ай бұрын

I’ve seen them in airports sometimes lol

24:58 The issue I see with the thermal pad thing, is that itll potentially make the keyboard hot. So perhaps there was a small air gap left there intentionally to thermally insulate the keyboard to some degree? Some sort of firm heatproof material would be preferrable to a thermalpad, no?

46:10 I would love to see this kind of transparency from all manufacturers!

I’ll buy a framework 16 if they give us an occulink module or tb5 module. Egpu support for full desktop replacement potential is what I’m looking for.

Linux ranting about Nvidia is gold.

This is the verge we are talking about I trust them as much as I would trust a sleezy car salesman

Watching Luke and Linus watch a video at 1.75x speed while already watching this video at 2x speed was pretty funny.

Wildest way to find out about how asus got their name

I upgraded the MXM card in one of my laptops once. I had to buy a compatible MXM card from eBay, and I had to stay within thermal and power delivery spec of the laptop in question. It was, in essence, like upgrading from a 4070 to a 4080.

Aren't the Verge the people who published the thermalpaste bukkake PC build guide? If they are who I am thinking I would assume the PC "crashed" because they didn't have a battery installed.

@angelaizen2231

4 ай бұрын

Yea nah it was the verge who did the worst PC build guide in historym

I know Linus sped up the video. But I can just imagine if he did every video like that. 😂. Like he's had tons of caffeine.

After the "PC Build Guide" from the verge a few years ago, I disregard any of their "reviews". There's been more than one instance of them having the incorrect information and it causing problems and making them an unreliable source for accurate info.

@TheTechnoPilot

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it kinda permanently removed them from being a trusted source for anything but a very non-tech savvy consumer POV.

@MrGamelover23

3 ай бұрын

Apparently, the other reviews corroborated their claims.

Having addition flex is to be expected when you have as much ease of disassembly of so many components.

The music around John's review of it was a bop.

If I get another laptop, it will be a Framework. Nvidia won't support it? Well then, insert Linus Torvalds video clip here. I'm a Linux user, and I've sworn off Nvidia anyway. (BTW, good work, Linus. I think you may have outdone Mr. Torvalds in this respect!)

It was one of my favorite videos LTT has made yet. I honestly thought Jon was an apple employee explaining the new keynote

RE @25.28 gaps and electrical tape Since it IS designed to be eminently modular for DIY; can you spray paint the frame to minimize the negotiability of the gaps? Can Framework do that without TOO much gouging? Perhaps even a dyed anodizing at the supplier level?

My first laptop had an upgradable graphic card. All the way back in 2006. It was the Dell Inspiron 9400. I was able to upgrade to a nVidia Geforece Go 7950 GTX, mostly to gain HDCP support in playing blu-rays on the TV.

I've had the 13 for a few years now. It has a few things that annoy me (mainly the battery and some heat issues) but the few times I've broken it I was so grateful to have it. I recently sat on it by accident, cracking the screen and bungling the upper chase. I'm looking at a ~350 investment instead of 1000+ for a new computer

26:08 if the tolerance allows, I would put kapton tape on the bottom and maybe electrical tape over it under the keyboard so you won't see the light bleed.

Watching wan show at 1.5 times lees and y’all play another video at speed

@Rukhage

4 ай бұрын

Imagine when you're watching it at x2

I think the confusion over the statistics here highlights an important point about data visualization. If you're focusing on comparing a specific product on a chart it's best if either the order of each line stays the same between charts or if they are always sorted and the product being reviewed is highlighted with a different color or bold text.

I bought a Framework a few months back. Love it so far

Framework laptops look great, I like the idea of being able to upgrade it whenever and however I want, but the problem remains the price, they can't afford certain prices, I get a laptop from another brand with highly superior features. Maybe when you get down to earth and realize that you can't ask for certain prices for your product even though it's very good, at a price of high notebooks like HP/Lenovo with similar hardware features would be the first choice of many.

@benjaminoechsli1941

3 ай бұрын

Framework is a tiny company compared to the brands you describe, and as such their costs are higher (not to mention the intrinsic additional cost of making parts this easily replaceable). The high price tag makes sense for what it is. Don't buy outside what you can afford, but the ability to _actually, truly_ make this the last laptop you ever own is worth the premium in my opinion.

At this point I'm ready to hear linus just talking. Like he can just talk about what how his dinner tasted and I will happily 😊 sit and listen

Linus @ 5:35 : ""You have audio from me elsewhere." What does that even mean? I didn't even fart" *no reaction from Luke or Dan* 😁

@slayerdwarfify

4 ай бұрын

I had to rewind to make sure I'd actually heard Linus right.

@cyangalaxy

4 ай бұрын

@@slayerdwarfifyoh sorry, wrong timestamp. I fixed it now.

Please consider giving the option between thermal paste and liquid metal on the framework 16.

48:18 Those trampoline nets are such a danger for anyone that doesn't just skip and hop and slide on the trampoline...

I have already ordered my Framework 16!

Yeah, I've been on board since I heard about them. Still, I think I will wait a generation or two of baseline models for them to work out those lesser upgradable kinks. That and I would need to have adequate funds for the overlapping period before the old xps can be sold.

Nvidia is truly the bane of existence of all things fun

@milandalosur1850

4 ай бұрын

Without Nvidia graphics tech would be way behind where it is.

@electricbluee

4 ай бұрын

@@milandalosur1850 I don’t deny that. But after the exit of EVGA, death of MXM, no more wildly custom cards. I can’t help but feeling Nvidia hates fun.

Have Framework design laptops using FEA analysis programs when doing the ID/ME. Consider stronger stiffer alloys like 7000 series aluminum

I have a Framework 13 and while it has issues, the 13" screen is just too small to be my daily driver so I have a Framework 16 on order.

Did the Verge replace parts then do their tests? We have seen how they build PCs, so user error is very possible.

the only thing mxm is still used for afaik is the hardware gsync modules in gsync displays. they use an fpga on an mxm board. the big problem with it was always even if you got a better mxm module and laptop brick, the bios support was never there. I did have a clevo p150hm or something that was upgradeable from a 560m to a 680m 4gb, but that was exceptionally rare.

For IT i could see benefits changing out cards and such Ethernet, hdmi... but the pricing i think it's fair with pricing your comparing a large multi company vs a family owned company like a company that can dish out 40 products pre hour vs 5 who can buy in bulk vs buy single you always save more buying 1,000 then buying 20 of the same product. it can usually go down in price from $1-$4 pre item when buying in bulk

I love the idea of framework, and the ability to then upgrade the laptop. But for the normal user who wants to get value for money they have made it very difficult to go with. Considering I can get a similar (non upgradable) for like half the price . Until prices come down I'm gonna be stuck with buying a new laptop every 3-4 years which would still work out cheaper.

@PrograError

4 ай бұрын

IMO it's still better than the "macbook of the conventional laptops"... at least Framework have a track record of making the upgrade to the current with the same specs and is part replaceable

@andyradford4574

4 ай бұрын

@@PrograError I agree that it's the best option long term, but for right now it's not affordable for most people. But it's the same with a lot of recyclable/reusable stuff it needs to be made more affordable for them to make a real difference.

I love the idea of the framework 16 unfortunatly the price does take away from the advantage, i keep my laptops for about 4years (currently running an "old" xmg with 9750h and rtx2070). but for the price of framework with gpu i almost get two complete laptops.

All it took to convince my family that the framework 16 is worth it was the page with the customizable deck and the user changable ports, since so many of their prev laptops died due to dead ports or dead keyboards

I ended up getting a AMD 13" model. I was looking at getting my 1st Mac, but I couldn't justify that for 8gb of ram/256gb of storage with Apples repair history when for the same price I now have 32gb of ram/1tb storage as well as repair-ability as well as a better port system.

It would be nice to be able to use the display when using a iGPU

After having to go through 3 battery replacements, sata cable breakage ( can't find replacements), had to re-soder components on the board, and 2 fan replacements with my Dell, I will 100% be going framework with my next laptop. The ability to repair and upgrade is the most appealing part. Adding on how many talk of mostly upgrading as when they need to repair it was an accident, doesn't seem to be manufacture error. I probably won't roll with the gaming unit as I game on my tower or steam deck on travel, but I like the larger screen space of the 16 inch

what phone is linus using at 30:30? is it galaxy s10 or something else?

i watch videos in 2x speed anyway so them adding the 1.75 atop that was *wild*

I have an old Ibuypower CZ-17 gaming laptop. It came with a Geforece GTX675mx. that gpu died and was causing the machine to randomly hang, even if I was using the iGPU. The box would run witout the MXM card but the cooling fans went to 100%. I think that the thermister resistance is expected to increase with temp so infiinte resistance made the bios think it was burning up. I put a newer nvidia Quadro mxm card in but some of the components were in different locations requiring doubling up on thermal pads but it works fine.

Regarding screen bend: Might be a tight hinge on that unit.

@TurtleKwitty

4 ай бұрын

The hinges are super tight on all new units to reduce the screen shake, its a concession they made to solve the hinge being a little wobbly but the build itself is strong so it's not actually a problem

3:40 those screen bend tests are pointless. You need to take into account the stiffness of the hinges. I have a Dell Precision laptop with more bend than the Framework16 examples....but the Dell also has really really stiff hinges.

@mitchellsteindler

4 ай бұрын

I dont think the verge would highlight an issue like that and somehow not mention the world's stiffest hinge.

Ah yes The Verge, famous for their PC building abilities. Certainly one of the publications of all time, and deserving of our continued acknowledgement - they do, in fact, exist, 9/10 IGN points.

I'm so sad about the speakers, I hope they can do something. As I wnat this laptop in next year, but that's probably a deal breaker, it would also be nice if they fix the keyboard flex seeing as that's an easy fix, but what other laptop can I keep for ~10 years and upgrade as needed. Current laptop is 6 years and showing its age, ram is to small, battery needs changing, I've cracked the shell in 2 places and the gfx is to slow, and 1 of the speakers is blown but new one on its way at least that part is an easyish fix.

I never understood how people can watch videos with a higher playback speed, I can't comprehend information that fast.

@robise.5886

3 ай бұрын

Mayb ur brain has low clock speeds...

@david_strike

3 ай бұрын

skill diff

my only problem with framework is the price, you're never going to actually make any difference to sustainability or repair ability by producing laptops for one of the smallest laptop markets besides gaming laptops. from experience aswell, people with that kind of money just buy a new one when something is wrong or there is an upgrade cause they can afford to do so.

@clavius5734

4 ай бұрын

I think in this case it might be more about caring about repairability as a principle rather than economic motive. But yeah, how big is that group.

@DAveShillito

3 ай бұрын

I'm waiting on my order and know I am paying a premium over a laptop of a similar spec I could have bought to get one that aligns with my values. Plus I am showing my support for the company and the concept. However I admit, I am lucky this is an option I am able to take.

hahah love the rant and this video

WAN show clips are now longer than some regular podcasts

17:48 Linus is starting to sound like Linus Torvalds when talking about Nvidia

How to hack a locked wall mounted thermostat - Make 2 small shelves to hold your beverages. One shelf is above for your icy cold drinks. One shelf below for your piping hot beverage. Adjust the beverages to make your thermostat deliver comfort.

I don't know if Linus knows this but some of the Core 2 Duo iMacs also used to have MXM cards in them. Not something you expect from Apple but it did happen. Not sure if the same is true for the newer (but still Intel, so not that new) ones but I imagine it's not.

I've used one of the HDMI modules to connect my steam deck to a tv when I forgot my dock was pretty useful.

yo lmg staff amazing stuff! mind mentioning the retention on this somewhere (will watch wan /watg me cheers :)

That video was a great sales pitch for the ASUS TUF Gaming A16

Subs modules would be interesting for the GPU area or maybe small ones for the small modules.

50min clip. LET'S GOOOOO!

Love the Noki shoutout.

From the photo it does look like my trusty Lenovo ThinkPad T420 with it's *14"* screen has about the same amount of flex. Also screen flex is MUCH worse if you actually completely close the device before opening it that way because you overcome the initial resistance of both hinges at different rates. ALSO with new hinges there is just generally a small break-in period which could explain part of this. The construction of the Framework screen assembly is also quite unique and as long as it doesn't cause any issues this amount of flex is completely fine, especially since my man from the Verge is purposefully trying to do this.

wait this was posted on tuesday and they mention something thats coming out "monday" and it was referencing the monday thats already past. why was this uploaded second?

Seems the Verge got a defective unit. It's unfortunate, but it's within scope

Spicy Linus is a lot of fun.

initial cost of purchase puts me off, but I really applaud the future proofing and customisability. Needs to look cooler.

If we get a trackpoint alternative option for these machines I may think about them for my next laptop

I would totally buy this. But the problem is they dont ship to my country. Otherwise this is my dream laptop

I want a comeback of the detachable battery so it doesn't wear out when plugged in

What a great wan show, and that was indeed a great video.

I’m waiting for my preordered FW16. Totally excited. Modularity and Linux support? First class laptop.