"I Can't Wait to LOSE Muscle" - Mike Israetel & Eugene Teo
What are the negatives to having a lot of muscle mass? I pose this question to Dr Mike Israetel from Renaissance Periodization and we discuss the mental side and journey we all take as we build muscle.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:15 - The Positives to Being Muscular
05:45 - What Are the Downsides To Being JACKED?
08:25 - How To Mentally Get Over Losing Muscle?
11:08 - Internal Appreciation vs External Validation
13:54 - Respecting The Process
15:35 - Avoiding Bigorexia
18:05 - Breaking the Addictive Cycle
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I love the honesty and vulnerability in Dr. Mike when he was talking about people being intimidated by his size and him not enjoying the attention for that reason alone.
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@corentind3379
2 жыл бұрын
I am no way as big as Mike but I really feel the same. The jokes when people say "lol you could beat me up" or that I could beat up some body random, like wtf I dont want to fight anyone
@Yeahhoee
2 жыл бұрын
same! Im not that muscular but if youre lean and have a bit of muscle you look better then 90% of the people out there. i feel rather insecure and dont want to be looked at by people, i dont like the attention they give you
@marc2638
2 жыл бұрын
I'm only 185lbs but I'm cut and in great shape. I don't walk around with that mind set I still walk around like I'm the old marc of 155lbs humble. I have people that open doors for me now, move out of my way way before I'm even close they toss jokes out like man I wouldn't want to mess with you and those things really bother me because I wouldn't hurt a fly and I'm not a bully nor am I someone who feels the need to make my presence known. I don't like the attention from men or women especially women it's almost sickening how they look at me and float around me. I am just the old normal.marc internally and I want people comfortable don't be intimidated I am nothing to be intimidated about unless you hit me we will never have issues. I'm kind I'm easy going I'm chill but apparently I don't look it but I wish people would stop judging me by my body
@allofthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed that was so cool. I experience this to a degree and I'm not really jacked 6"0 220. I am gentle giant and I can't stand when people mention beating them up or something my immediate first response is I'm not a fighter. This was a great perspective to hear.
That was really different. I've not sen a youtube video about the negatives of getting jacked. It's very anti-Bro culture. it seems the way up is very clear to see, and then you drop off the side of a cliff and you're gone. No one has talked about consciously making the decision to ramp down training in order to better live their life. Thanks. And yes, I've seen Eugene play guitar! It is on his channel.
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank you! 🙏
@vincent9063
2 жыл бұрын
I man he's literally Herman Li
@benchgoblin
5 ай бұрын
being on roids is probably what draws the unwanted attention
Dr. Mike is such a nice, interesting and wise person. What a great interview and lots of interesting insights! Even though I'm 100% positive that I won't ever get to a fraction of his size! Thank you, Theo!👍
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Mike's a great guy with a wealth of knowledge and experience
@madsbruntt7145
2 жыл бұрын
@@ch-yq5yn But that's personal, and living an "interesting life", going places and doing stuff that you think people wanna hear about is essentially the same as getting jacked so people wanna see you and ask you for advice. Just different ways of living an interesting life. I personally would love to talk to someone who deadlifts 700+ (I haven't), somebody who is huge(I have, he was cool) or somebody who has traveled the world etc. (I travelled a lot). Life gets more interesting if you broaden your horizons aswell 🙂
@marlzuni
2 жыл бұрын
@@ch-yq5yn I think you are in the wrong channel, sir. Eugene, Dr. Mike and bunch of others build their life and career into all they have to talk about is workout plan, how hard they workout and how big they get (in simplistic way that is). This channel is about those things. Watch enough of Dr. Mike and Eugene you would know they have more to talk about than that but since their channel is about "workout plan and how much you BDS" , that is the theme you are going to see mainly.
@apoqliphort3614
2 жыл бұрын
These things are far from mutually exclusive.
@FitFatFit
Жыл бұрын
Накачаешься Димон, не ссы
This is so true what dr. Mike said. When I first met my brother’s girlfriend’s dad who was a bodybuilder, I was super scared to approach him because he looked tough because of his huge muscles. But eventually I had to greet him at some point, so I shooted my shot and started talking to him. And what I found out was that he was actually a super nice person. He was very calm, relaxed and chill. And when we started talking about the gym he got really happy that I also go the gym. I have noticed these things in other occasions as well, like asking for advice at the gym. It is always the biggest guys that are the most humble people and want to help you.
@HaharuRecords
Жыл бұрын
So, be bigger to get humble, or to be humble you better eat and be big ..🤖⚠️
@Schaufelor
Жыл бұрын
@@HaharuRecords It´s true. If you are big you can actually afford to be chill and humble. Because you don´t need to be that barking little dog to get some attention or respect. I have also made the experience that almost no big bodybuilder that i have ever met in the gym was rude or aggressive. They just like muscles and the sport. Unfortunately most people think that bodybuilders want to intimidate others. This is only true for very few of them.
@pokemonbacon1237
Жыл бұрын
Just get stronger than the dad and confront him challenge him to a dual to the death
@HerculesFit
Жыл бұрын
@@SchaufelorHit the nail on the head! 💪
@Arkhs
11 ай бұрын
@Schaufelor I think that's just one of the major reasons. I think another reason is that the exercise itself actually makes you chill because it's like a massage for your body that relieves tension. When I stop going to the gym for a month or so...I get knots in all my back muscles. When I workout I never have any knots so I am actually chill.
Dr. Mike is low key enlightened and self realized. How else could you manifest limitless Lamborghinis, a doctorate, and the muscles? 🙏🤪
@aonair7211
Жыл бұрын
what
@xX_dash_Xx
11 ай бұрын
@@aonair7211 imagine not being isreatelpilled
@aonair7211
10 ай бұрын
@@xX_dash_Xx goofy manifest
The intimidation thing is so true. It's like you have prove to people you aren't a mean-spirited person which sucks. It's nice to reach a point where you're content with progress you've made 💪
@minotaur55
11 ай бұрын
It's even worse when you are an introvert or have some social anxiety. You come off as arrogant if you keep to yourself
I get what he is saying, I used my humour a lot to disarm situations and not be seen in a bad light. I remember one girl saying to me "I was scared of you, you're a big black guy"😤 I was bullied a lot when I came to America and the gym helped me rebuild my confidence.
Wow , I hope KZread pushes this video out to the masses. Incredible .
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
This stuff will probably never be as popular as more mainstream videos - but I wanted to make it cos I knew how important it is!
@a1aesthetics
2 жыл бұрын
@@coacheugeneteo Honestly it will have a dramatic impact on those who see it . The discussion of mindfulness and introspection was as vital as any video I’ve ever seen in the fitness industry .
Yes, in terms of the positives to being muscular, it is amazing how night-day-day my interactions are compared to when I was skinny. If I am with a group of people and decide to chime in on conversation, everyone instantly turns their full attention to me. The respect it garners is just second to none. So I always chuckle when I hear random people say that getting this jacked is pointless.
@Jiraiyashouse666
Ай бұрын
Being jacked AF for 20 plus years and at one point also Fat AF I totally concur. I feel for fata$$es because when I was fat, unlike when I was skinny, I was literally and ironically invisible. The other aspect people who are not jacked that ask the WHY question is the sexual aspect where if you don't know what you are missing, I can't explain it to you. To have women squeezing on your arms and a$$ in ravished passion is way more intense than having them softly caressing your double chin and trying to push back into singularity all whilst closing their eyes lol. There is also the flip side of the coin to this too, as being jacked often provokes Beta Alphas to feel insecure and target you for harassment... that does get old as they are the also the type of individual that really don't know when to back off and only seem to understand a slap to the face.
It's funny that I was just thinking I want to start losing muscle. 25yrs old, 7 yrs lifting, 245lbs 15% BF, 5 ft 10 in. Bodybuilding, powerlifting background. Now I just got into the firefighting profession and my joints hurts so much with the gear we wear and the type of work we do. This profession has got me in excellent shape and conditioning but tryna hold on to my weight and muscle is going to take a toll on my body in the long run so been thinking about downsizing and I am honestly over the muscle building phase. its all about performance, athleticism and health for me now
@SCP-001DatabaseAdministrator
2 жыл бұрын
Ya wear a lot of gear....
@ElizabethMillerTX
2 жыл бұрын
My unsolicited, biased, and hard-earned advice is to focus on training your connective tissue to catch up with all that muscle.
Hi, i am from berlin and train only in outdoor parks with my bodyweight. To learn skills and control my body against the gravity give me also a good physique and a hearth full of happiness
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
This is so interesting, and I deeply respect Dr Mike for being so transparent and vulnerable. As a woman I also feel like I understood more of the insecurities my male partner feels, which I can't always empathise with. I identified with his experience of mindfulness and getting "full", and love that he got down to the root causes. I think bodybuilding attracts people who like control, repetition, optimisation, and pushing things to the absolute limit. I am happy for Eugene and Dr Mike if it took skipping birthdays for them to know they had done their best and reached their goals, however I feel in my life pushing that hard is a given, and what has been toughest is turning down the intensity. Like, running life as more of a marathon, than a sprint. In another area of my life, I got to my equivalent of being absolutely "jacked" but was already suffering extreme burn out and mental health issues before I peaked performance wise, and I wish I could have been less stubborn, but I don't know if I would have peaked as high as I did.
That was brilliant. Utterly illuminating insight into the day to day mindset of ones who have made it to the summit. I love it, and it will inform my speech to others and writing. Thanks for being so deep and candid, Mike and Eugene. May y'all get closer the Lord and get mad blessed.
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏
Love to see mental health being prioritized by you guys. I know lifting probably keeps a lot of us out of trouble in life and helps us learn dedication, pushing limits etc. it’s so refreshing to hear these conversations.
The level of sincerity, honesty, and perspective is a breath of fresh air. Thank you both for being willing to open up and talk about these topics that I feel are less common in this space.
Dr mikes honesty, humility, and articulation on the topic makes this such a great video
This is an interesting conversation. At 5' 11'' and 190 I ask myself, "How much larger do I need to become?" I'm often the largest male in my social group, not many mathematicians or computer programmers get to my size. At 45 I my thoughts turn to what I'm going to do as my physique becomes, inevitably, impossible to maintain. This convo is helpful. Thx guys!
@Dr.WhetFarts
2 жыл бұрын
I work in IT too, 37 years old. Network/Servers (CISCO CCNP etc.). Lifted for 20 years at this point, consistently. Most people think I don't know what i am talking about because I lift and workout out - I can sense it in the beginning. I am 225 lbs with around 10% bf and 20 inch arms with visible veins. Pretty much NO-ONE, EVER, are my size in meetings etc. It's funny to prove them wrong tho, when it comes to knowledge. Just because you don't look like the typical "geek" 😁 I am a geek. I am tired of the compliments and "jokes" at this point tho... Especially at work...
@nickDasgunnar
2 жыл бұрын
Same boat. Working in it, Lifting for over 10 years at this point. Never was i not the biggest IT guy.
@mostafa202023
2 жыл бұрын
@@nickDasgunnar maybe you guys should start a company together, for nerdy IT gymbros.
@dougt4283
2 жыл бұрын
Off topic question, what diet has worked for you that enables you to build muscle and maintain a high level of cognitive performance? Asking because I generally find that having to eat frequently/more protein slows my brain down.
@nickDasgunnar
2 жыл бұрын
@@dougt4283 To be honest, the most calirty of mind and "brain horsepower" i had when i was keto for half a year. I had focus and clarity for days, which was perfect for my bachelor and later master thesis. Now as iam working iam back to eating carbs and i feel better in the gym, gain more muscle but my brain is noticebly more foggy. So yes, fo rme it was keto with lots of animal fats and protein and up to 0 carbs per day
This is one of my favorite videos I’ve ever seen. So insightful. Thank you for this
Two beautiful men inside and out. Thanks for bringing us this interview Eugene. We people are complicated and vulnerable. It is a wonderful gift for accomplished and admired individuals like yourselves to honestly reflect on your personal psychology and share advice.
It’s true. I’m nowhere near the size of Dr Mike, but here’s a personal experience with this…. Over a period of time, a lady who worked at my gym started speaking with me some here and there. She was surprised I was so nice and polite. Told me how she had this impression that a lot of bigger more muscular guys were not as friendly. Speaking with me helped her realize you can’t judge people by that outward appearance.
This was a great interview. Always interesting to hear the psychology of not just lifting and athletic training but the mindset around the people who excel at it.
Phenomenal video that. Raw honesty and truth about your feelings from both of you. Very respectable of you both to open up like that. More people need to listen to videos like this and I think they would feel a lot more comfortable and interact with the gym better as well as one another.
It is so amazing to see an honest nuanced convo about how much is enough, the holes in our hearts, and reflection/meditation being the way to fulfillment on our journey. Thanks Eugene and Dr Mike!
Looooove it !! I could listen to you and mike chat about your mindset and thoughts around and about training for hours and not get bored
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏
It’s so true this whole convo! Mike’s honesty is refreshing, I was smiling the whole time bc it was relatable! I’m 31 year old, 310lb 6’3 but now my fat percentage is too high for my liking, so now trying to lose the fat but not wanting to get under 300lb. But the daily struggle is real! Great convo! And good thing to look forward to one day!
Everyone who lifts needs to watch this, I think it would help a lot of people. Thanks for putting this out Eugene.
This is one of the more interesting interviews I've heard. Very insightful, thank you for talking about this and for making this colab possible.
I never thought of leaning into ones goals so far that it becomes oversaturating and satiation manifests as a result. Resonates with my mantra of 'die empty'. Great vid!
What a fantastic video. I think I can safely say this was the best and most interesting video on fitness I’ve seen this year.
much love and respect for you both, you're truly setting an example for us to follow on our journey
This was an amazing video for multiple reason, I hope Dr Mike makes a channel of his own about just everything he likes to talk about. Not only big muscle, but also - big brain 🤝
Wow, what a genuinely lovely guy and I love how engaged and empathetic you are in this, Eugene. Such an honest and eye opening conversation. I’ll admit to being guilty of exactly what Mike said - making judgements based on an initial physical impression, which is no indication of the quality of the person underneath.
This was a video I didn’t know I needed this badly thanks to you both!
Is this an interview or the BEST therapy session I've ever seen??? You guys are the best ❤️
The closing statements about pushing yourself passed the point of "too far" is such a good way to put it.
This conversation is reeally insightfull ... Keep it up guys much love 🙏❤
This was amazing. A side of the convo we don’t hear often. Dare I say it was beautiful! Ty
This was awesome. Super insightful. I'm also looking forward for the day where Mike becomes natural. Such a gem of a human being and genuinely want to see him live for as long as possible.
@dvsavocs5290
2 жыл бұрын
you don't become natural, you are born natural and you either keep it or lose it
Man I love Dr.Mike so much. Great video Eugene!
I'm always listening to Dr.Mike I love his channel and sense of wise guy humor
Well look at you guys....got really Zen there in the last 5 minutes...impressive answer from Dr Mike about being aware of the patterns of thought thru mindfulness....didn't see that coming....pretty much gonna share/recommend this video with everyone....great work!
Awesome video! Def coming back to watch this at my low points to remind myself these things
Really honest, refreshing interview, thank you for sharing. In your previous videos with him, it was clear he was not physically comfortable and he was often short of breath, so it was nice to hear his perspective on that and where he will go from here. I hope he chooses to drop to a more comfortable weight soon, because it didn’t sound like the pros of being that huge really outweigh the cons.
This was a amazing interview. Respect to dr mike for the honesty. Good man
Pleasantly surprised to see a colab of two of my favorite fitness KZreadrs and a really interesting subject to boot!
wow now I admire Dr Mike even more than just a humorous doctor. Thank you eugene for bringing up this topic. Fitness content sometimes need to slow down and reflect a bit like this
Last 5 mins were absolutely massively informative, rest was super informative. Great vid / interview thanks for sharing it
Amazing raw conversation. So good. Thank you.
really refreshing introspection from two greats, thanks so much!
I'm 5'6 as well, graduated high school at 115. I was in permabulk mode for awhile, got up to 185, hung around 175. Filling out a large is as big as I need to get. Now time to just be fit, healthy, aesthetic. No more size needed.
@Dr.WhetFarts
2 жыл бұрын
200+ lbs is the goal, ripped.
This is incredibly valuable. Love this so much!
You both guys are amazing, I love the content of both channels. Cheers.
This made me reflect.. my conscious brain has been telling me to balance my life for a few years now. My subconscious brain keeps pulling me back. I'm 35 and I'll never beat my peak at 30. At least not without risk and sacrifice.. it just doesn't make sense to me any more. At the time of my 250kg squat and 280kg deadlift i didn't know that would be it.. but it's time to let go. I've got videos and memories. That's enough. Thankful i found this
Loved this. Both you and Mike are incredible.
Mike And Eugene the Duo we didn’t know we needed 👌
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏
@person152
2 жыл бұрын
but always wanted
I feel this conversation deeply. My satisfaction with how I'm looking has stopped my drive for more muscle. I still love to train though thus I have switched to primarily handbalancing now. It's still physical training, it still requires good programming, depending on the move it's still strength dominant but the focus is not getting bigger but learning new moves. I find unlocking a new move (same with calisthenics) much more gratifying than putting on a bit more muscle
Dr. Mike just always, always always wins my heart ❤️
Beautiful conversation guys! Thanks for sharing all of your insights!
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏
That was an awesome conversation. Priorities in the gym have definitely shifted as I have gotten older.
I can read 1,000 "alpha", "inspirational", or "motivational" quotes but never *learn* anything that sticks to me for the rest of my life. These vulnerable, genuine, and authentic stories WILL. I'll probably even tell my grandchildren about it, I swear On a personal note: I've had trouble with my body my whole life. I've been looked down upon as the butt of a joke, been the center of the gossip circles, and lost so many things and been abused by so many people, I thought I NEEDED to be strong. To be "alpha" (or "jacked"), but, that's not going to permanently help me. It's like a drug. I'll practice mindfulness and dedicate myself to this journey for real. Thank you
Nice to listen to your reflections on these topics guys! Really enjoyed this.
I think a lot of us adults that use PEDs can relate. Mike is so open and intelligent to know himself and the changes around him that when he speaks, it's an eye opener for some. Especially for me. Great platform, great questions. This will help some who want to stop but are too scared to lose all the hard work they put in.
Really refreshing to hear about potentially downsizing and mikes thoughts on it, great video
What an amazing video guys seriously! Thank you for this
I’ve never heard of this guy before, but he’s incredibly insightful and it’s really refreshing to see a mindful big guy talk in the way he does 🔥🔥
Damn Dr. Isratel spitting tons of wisdom, especially the distinction between addiction and passion/goals.
Excellent video- the only one I’ve seen of its kind👏🏻
Maximum respect to Dr. Mike! The most honest, funny, eloquent, and scientifically-informed person in the world of physical culture!
Two megachads on a casting couch. What a treat. Lol. For real though, amazing convo, every gymbro should watch this. Most dont think “longterm” and just as building up the physique, bros should be working on the mental/inner stuff too so that when one comes to a good transition point between pure performance and longterm health, the mind is ready to make that transition in a healthy and proper way, filled with gratitude for an amazing chapter that is closing and a new one that will be different but just as amazing. Cheers
feels good to see you both vibin that way
So good to hear this perspective from Dr Mike
What an absolutely fascinating video, it was great hearing both your perspectives. I'm a big guy for my height (not Dr. Mike big!!!) because I've pushed myself to be that. From being a tiny, bullied kid, I still need the ego boost, both in compliments from others, and when I look in the mirror. But I'm getting older, joints are hurting more, I will have to scale back at some point. At the moment I'm bigger and stronger (in some lifts) than I've ever been, and at 48 I'm quite proud of that. But it can't last forever and I need to become OK with that. Dr. Mike and yourself have given me a lot to think about!
Loving these collab videos
What a great interview! You have a great content 😊
Excellent content and talk, thanks for sharing this!
Insane, awesome video and content from Dr. Mike. Legitimately helped me a lot. Thank you
❤ so great to see this side of Mike. Much wisdom.
Give it everything..... very interesting. Props. Wish you good health Dr Mike. You guys are real for this
I always had concerns with getting big and that's always held me back.. always thought it was more of a hassle rather than satisfaction but then I figured it takes more effort than people think to grow as big as both of you guys. I hear people around talking how they didn't want to do muscle training because they would become 'a wardrobe' as we call it here, its not quite that simple. I share your views Eugene about how the process of training and experimentation is what's giving me satisfaction, its not big muscles and obviously there's a bottom line but there's an upper limit too, for me at least. Staying within that range is what entertains me and keeps me going. Nice talk this was
This is the coolest conversation thanks
Great video, would love more interviews with Mike :)
Awesome with the honesty man!
Insightful stuff. I don't really care about bodybuilding as far as my own goals are concerned, but a lot of what Dr. Mike talked about, like that inner voice, really is applicable to anything.
Some great insights in this one. Thanks guys! : )
Amazing talk guys. A better person for it, thank ya'll.
My two favorite guys in the fitness "social media" arena. Honest, no fluff and BS. Love it!
@doyourownresearch7297
4 ай бұрын
yeah, its so much more honest. It is amazing to me how many people get popular while being dumbasses with shit or fake-assed communication.
Great conversation I feel like a lot could benefit from 👍🏼
Immensely helpful, honest, and educational. Thank you.
@coacheugeneteo
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏
I needed this. The last 3 weeks or so i just don't want to lift weights. I just don't. After good 6 years of addictively training 5/7. I don't care if I lose my muscles or my strength. In the back of my mind im beating myself for not continuing with something that has been so important in my life. But then i ask myself with all seriousness: don't you want to go lift a little bit to at least maintain your gains and size? and I keep answering, easily, nah, I'm good. It scares me that I don't need that fix because it's something that has been with me for years. But in my heart I really don't give a shit. I think I just found what I needed. What do I need now? I'm guessing love. Thank you for opening this discussion. I really thought nobody else would understand why it's so important for me what I'm going through.
Fantastic interview on a basically never discussed topic. I will never have these problems because attaining this level of development has never been my goal, but it is nonetheless super interesting to get this perspective.
Such a refreshing conversation!
@coacheugeneteo
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏
Thank you for this important conversation. Eugene, you look healthier than ever.
@coacheugeneteo
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏
I feel like Dr. Mike would give great hugs.
If only everyone was as introspective as Dr Mike is -- about everything. The world would be a much better place.
This was an absolutely awesome video.
Mike is such an inspiration
Pretty amazing and enlightened conversation.
Dr.Mike is so good at talking Great video
Very unique and insightful conversation.
Genuinely interesting. Great interview