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@mobiousenigma

Жыл бұрын

as a proof of concept it works ...but..... your going to want a "fine adjustment" for your tailstock to keep your work piece secured between the centers . yes you can wrap the rope around the work piece but it will get in the way while working the headstock end if it had a dog points on the face of a pulley rotating on a shaft in the headstock you could attach the work piece between a center and the dogs rotated by the pulley keeping the rope out of the way and with different pulley sizes having more or less rotation speed for a constant leg rhythm. your spring pole thicker probably 2+ inches of hardwood not growing shrubbery ! your probably more effective if the pole is directly over the work piece and tredal unless you like wasting energy holding the lathe down and forward . so as in all your videos yes it can be done but craftsmanship experience and knowledge will take it from it works to i can use it all day everyday and it is easier than any other way to do it ...thanks for the videos

@benkayvfalsifier3817

Жыл бұрын

When are you going to make glue? I feel like you have already reached the point when glue was being made.

@absolutorice754

Жыл бұрын

I will soon hear in an episode "Today we will make a tractor".

@mobiousenigma

Жыл бұрын

@@benkayvfalsifier3817 horses arent cheap we dont keep as many around as we used to ..that means we dont have a surplus of horse hoof around to boil down into glue ..never mind the smell which would probably have neighbours calling police... but yes humans have stuck things to each other since rocks were our tools and htme is in iron age coming up to industrial revolution technologies well past neolithic!

@kemster9495

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the woodwright shop from pbs

As an english woodsman, the traditional pole lathe would be driven by a single hazel or birch sapling and the rope winding needs to be reversed so you are cutting on the spring stroke not trying to power it with your leg.

@SonsOfLorgar

Жыл бұрын

I'd add a flywheel and an S-shaped crank between the spring and the pedal, above or below the work piece so that pedal+spring spins the flywheel, leather cord over flywheel spins the work piece.

@freemanjackmsiradio

Жыл бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar Somewhat misses the point of the portable simplicity of the bodgers pole lathe. Wood-turners (known as bodgers) would work deep in the woods next to the coppicers cutting to make hurdles and basketry, the pole lathe could be quickly cut from raw materials on site, leaving the workman to only carry a rope and his chisels.

@JohnLeePettimoreIII

Жыл бұрын

and as a tibetan stonemason, i concur. 😁

@sarchlalaith8836

Жыл бұрын

@@freemanjackmsiradio in fairness if he did that on the tailstock pin, on the outside of the tailstock, and wrapped the string from the poll around the crank, you'd not be carrying much extra for a lot of gain.

@metalface8515

Жыл бұрын

@@freemanjackmsiradio It's worth noting that that's that particular scenario, Andy is just trying to build efficient technology so while a bushcraft style lathe is definitely as you described, I am willing to bet that many had came up with more complex designs at the same point in time when this was a relevant technology, and, were more efficient + capable than just a simple portable bushcraft lathe.

You should make a flywheel, a one way pulling system and a system of pulleys that allows you to release the energy from the springy branch more slowly. This would make working on it much much easier I think.

@SonsOfLorgar

Жыл бұрын

A flywheel and a pedal crank attached to the spring would be more efficient than the pulley system. (Similiar system used to make thread in the 17th-18th century cottage industry) I should probably build one of those lathes for myself tbh.

@hairyneil

Жыл бұрын

Similar to foot powered pottery wheels

@TheTetrapod

Жыл бұрын

I love treadle lathes! I've always wanted to build one. No pulleys or springs necessary, a crankshaft and a pedal attached to a flywheel will do great on its own.

@JessicaKStark

Жыл бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar Well, It was hard to make the flywheel and any belt wheels before having THIS lathe. Now that he's got the ability to make some parts, he can upgrade to the treadle lathe with some leather belts to even maybe allow variable speed.

@TannerSwizel

Жыл бұрын

@@JessicaKStark yeah, this is the way. He would only need one belt if the flywheel and crankshaft inversely changed diameter over each other keeping the same tension regardless of belt placement; this would allow simplicity in trading speed for torque and vice versa. I think he just might throw the treadle out completely next time if he can get into water power, but a variable power flywheel is a must for that too

I feel like we need a progress marker at roughly where in time we are at. The jump from bog iron to the industrial revolution was crazy.

@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am

Жыл бұрын

They're still in thoroughly pre-industrial, pole lathes are at the latest, a 13th century invention, so there's still, at least, ~500-600 years to get to industrial revolution.

@MrGameadd1ct

Жыл бұрын

@@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am yeah, I mistook them for metal working lathes. Still though I would love a progess tracker.

@kipter

Жыл бұрын

@@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am im pretty sure lathes have been used since egyptian times. The ancient greeks had screwcutting wood lathes.

@nos9784

Жыл бұрын

​@@kipter wow, amazing. Do you have a suggestion where to learn more about greek lathes?

@jintsuubest9331

Жыл бұрын

We figure out long round stick attached to 2 round wood board before bc. I'm sure lathe is much older.

Imagine the sense of satisfaction the first man had when got his rudimentary lathe working for the first time.

@ChemEDan

Жыл бұрын

But the first industrial accident sent his head spinning

@Mike-bs5pi

Жыл бұрын

@@ChemEDan probably, or his hand. Imagine the first guy who got his long beard caught on the spinning work piece.

@ChemEDan

Жыл бұрын

@@Mike-bs5pi Oof yeah, all the shop rules were discovered somewhere, sometime, by someone 😅

I once heard a mechanical engineer say "The only tool that can build itself is a lathe" I also think an interesting update to the period-accuracy "rule" is that, if you can find a version of the tool that was build by hand, it counts as using your OWN tool, because even in history, no one person did it ALL and people specialized and outsourced the making of all things to smaller masters. So, if you found a pull saw that was hand-made instead of a stamped and laser-hardened panel saw, you should be allowed to use THAT tool instead of continuing to be forced to use the one you made.

@netts2315

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but the tool would have to be made using techniques available at the current time he's on. Then again it'd be better than some of the modern tools and stock they're using instead like the forge, lumber and steel. I'd love to see someone actually build their way to industrial revolution with 100% self made and processed tools and stock. It'd probably require a lot of people that 99% would just work on making stock but still.

So, now that I've finished the video, there are two notes to be made about the overall effect of your lathe. Both have to do with the setup and stroke of energy. One: You're short stroking it. Ideally you would have 720 degrees of rotation per stroke, and from the video I'm guessing you're barely getting 370. Two: You've got the rope putting too much force horizontally on the workpiece. Ideally you would have the vector of energy nearly vertical. The solution to both of these issues probably lies in using a pulley and counterweight system, rather than a random tree branch. Luckily, now that you have the lathe, making the parts for that upgrade should be simple. Good to see you back at it.

@jrk1666

Жыл бұрын

the actual solution would be using a proper branch, 10-12 feet long and not a flimsy live one

@jono3952

Жыл бұрын

@@jrk1666 That would also help, but he can't exactly pick the thing up, find the perfect tree in the woods and build a shack around it.

@jrk1666

Жыл бұрын

@@jono3952 you can cut the branch down and take it with you, it won't lose the springness for 2-3 years of use

@TheJohtunnBandit

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that lilac wasn't the strongest or springiest branch to use, the pulley and counterweight sounds like a solid plan

@jrk1666

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJohtunnBandit its just an overcomplicated solution, the english bodgers used poles to feed the windsor chair industry throughout the industrialization of england and it worked fine

Next step, use the pole lathe to turn a pulley and build a counter weight on the tredle to eliminate the need to the tree limb as the spring.

@imhigh0013

Жыл бұрын

You now have me wondering... how much force (weight) would equate to green limb pull vs say... a lead weight?

@inventor121

Жыл бұрын

honestly his next thing should be to turn 2 wheels and 2 shafts. Then put a crank on one of the shafts.

One thing I found in my research into spring pole lathes that might help, getting it as round as possible before you turn. While that sounds counter intuitive, doing the rough work with your axe first saves you time and most importantly energy. You can find axe marks left on wooden bowls that were turned after toughing.

This is the video I've been waiting for on this channel! Lathe is king. Fyi, you can now cut threads, you don't need a screw lathe to make threads, they can be made with a fork/comb tool. Although you'd need it spinning one way first. Minor issue.

@brandonbackes930

Жыл бұрын

Just what I was thinking. 😁 Then improve the tailstock with the threaded screw.

this channel keeps being amazing. Once in a while i just binge it

@AristotelisPhilippakos

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, same.

@GoodandBasic

Жыл бұрын

Right?!

Wow! I never even considered how important a development the lathe was. Your channel outshines the rest in not only illustrating these facts, but also how difficult these things would have been with rudimentary tools. Again, glad to see HTME back on your feet and with clearly brighter days ahead. Cheers!

This was neat, and the idea of using a tree like that...that's the sort of thing I feel like I've only ever seen in cartoons! I think doing the three shorts about drills was a good way to introduce us to those that let that not distract from the main point of this episode while still explaining drilling technology. That was a good idea in my opinion, is what I'm saying. :)

Good to see an Alec Steele anvil being used! Great video, as always! EDIT: Corrected Alex to Alec because autocorrect is a bastard.

@VoIcanoman

Жыл бұрын

*Alec* Steele

Very interesting design. I believe Townsends had shown one similar. I like this! BTW, to help with not getting it the issue of it popping out, the tool rest should be slightly below the center of the object being turned. That way when you put your tool on it, the edge would be about center. This allows for it to not get caught. Which makes it safer for you, as flying objects means danger!

@mobiousenigma

Жыл бұрын

townsend probably would as would roy underhill ...springpole lathe i believe is french in origin though

I've been waiting on this one for a long time. Proud to be a supporter of what you do.

Love seeing you guys progress with industrial processes and manufacturing. Swords and stuff is cool, but seeing you progress with tools is awesome

I'm glad that this TURNED out so well!

I like these collaborative videos, they show the value of specialisation as you go up the tech tree

I'm proud of you. You have come so far. Your level of craftsman intuition and material understanding is leaps and bounds further. Your tenacity is inspiring. You should be proud.

It's really good to see you back on track again and making full length videos again.

That frame you made turned out so well!

Experienced crafts people, collaborations, and a growth of quality that comes with personal experience. I really like the growth of a community that this channel is building. One man against the world is cool, but community is family.

i love the old treadle lathes they are so cool simple can be made entirely from wood (yes even the supporting centres) and best of all if you have the forethought to remove the random branches sticking out of the young sapling you use for it's spring you can even use it without needing to pull sap out of your hair afterwards

I love videos like this because it makes me want to do something like this. I found the video really cool definitely gonna go watch the previous ones

Great vid. I look forward every time I see you post something new

Having had used a reproduction "Green" pole lathe I can testify that they are hard work to use.

This was pretty damn cool. Lathes are one of my favorite machine shop tools, and seeing y'all get a tool handle out of this one was neat. A pretty neat follow up might be figuring out how to make a granite or glass surface plate that's nearly perfectly flat, as well as ways to test flatness.

The dedication is next level respect to you my man

This has been a long time coming. truly, the most powerful tool.

You just keep getting better and better, can't wait for your first semiconductor fab :D (I'm kinda joking, but seeing how far you've come I also wouldn't be surprised any more).

I love that even after getting your shop burned down you still create stuff.

I absolutely love this series!

I love the work that goes into each video

5:56 when the hammer taps the anvil it sounds so good

This series of collaborations has been great.

Fantastic Andy! Can't wait to see what you can turn

This is great Andy! Can't wait to see what Peter Brown from ShopTime could do with this!

I learned how to do lathe work on one. They're difficult and annoying but they work. The guy running the carpenters shop at a living village wouldn't let you on the treadle lathe until you had competency on the spring pole lathe. Great video!

One of the guys from Townsends made a very nice one of these, that I think also takes advantage of counterweights to help enforce the springiness.

Good to see you collaborating with Nate!!

Hey Nate, happy to see you in this channel. Hope you build great things and continue to entertain and educate us. While you were with TKOR I had requested you several times to build a pin hole camera, which is a primitive camera. Happy to see you with HOW TO MAKE EVERYTHING guy.

Let’s go another video. Also crazy how fast you went from bronze to the industry revolution

Poggers, been watching the whole series. Keep it going :)

Yes, I've been waiting to see this for a long time

I built a pole lathe about ten years ago as a temporary stop-gap between a finished treadle lathe with a flywheel (the frame was built to accommodate either). Long story short, the treadle never got built as I haven’t encountered a limitation with its function as a pole lathe. Over the years, the only real upgrades have been to allow for fine adjustments to the poppet tension (necessary as the holes on the turning stock will enlarge slightly as you’re turning) and adding some metal bar stock on the back of the tool rest. One bit of advice: rough shaping your stock (axe, drawknife, etc.) saves a ton of work on the pole lathe. Nice video. Interesting channel. Thanks.

great to see nate from the internet building cool stuff!

My father has one that can shape metal, it's pretty advanced, more than the wooden one you made at least, he made stupidly expensive machines with it and saved tens of thousands of dollars.

What you guys have done is amazing... ⚒️

The metal lathe construction is gonna be it's own 120 part series

@anelpasic5232

Жыл бұрын

This guy doesn't even know the principles of a bow lathe and you expect him to make a metal turning lathe?

hey nice work man, your getting better at making things

that's pretty good for a first try. There's a couple of things I would do additionally, If you make one of the pins out of threaded rod you can make it adjustable with a handle, which really helps keep tension on the piece as you continue throughout the process. The other thing is the closer the tool-rest is to the piece of wood the more efficient your cutting will be since the lathe that you built is fairly wide, it's probably worth making some inset toolrests that minimise the gap between where the chisel pivots and where it cuts.

Great video and such hard work. Comment to help! Looking forward to more great episodes!

Nate from the internet, Good and Basic, and HTME in one video wow thats awesome

Andy is going to be super strong by the end of this series that has to be a heck of a workout

Awesome! Try making a flat plate! Flatness is one of the modern marvels!

@KainYusanagi

Жыл бұрын

Not quite true. While easy flatness is a modern marvel, being able to cast giant sheets of metal into molten glass so it floats to the surface and flattens out naturally, flatness itself has been around for ages. Planes were used to make large flat planks, for example, and sheets of metal could be made via rolling mills, running it through upside down to remove the bend that such typically cause (this process actually dates all the way back to ancient Egypt).

As soon as I saw the project starting, I thought Grant Thompson would have been a great add to the video, and started remembering TKOR then I saw Nate, and it made me happy

Wow that’s really good idea to make that I should do that when I get a garage well done Andy And you guys and my favorite guy from the 1/2 of king of random on KZread

Been subbed for a while now still love ya guys.

the lathe is such a massive unlock in the tech tree so cool!

Great video! We love your re-boot content.

@vanlalhmuakafanai4203

Жыл бұрын

How is ur comment 12 h ago when the video is 12 s ago

@meme2287

Жыл бұрын

@@vanlalhmuakafanai4203 Patreons probably get to view it before it goes public

Most badass blacksmith i've ever seen.

Good to see Nate! He's a smart guy!

An alternate to a natural spring-pole might be a Spanish windlass mechanism as part of the lathe's base and some pulleys. That would allow the setup to be relatively portable, and tension to provide the counter-force vs. the pedal would be in whatever ropes you use for the twists. Another alternate would be to use some counterweights, but then you're lugging quite a bit of stones around and it's not as easy to relocate the entire setup.

Watching your recovery from the fire has been fascinating

Yooo that's awesome can't wait to see your metal lathe :D

I can't wait for you to start casting bronze bearings (technically bushings) for a water wheel, and making wooden pulleys for the power transfer, leather belts rubbed with wax, and eventually, some steam!

I'm enjoying your series. When you start to lathe metal, bed warp will start to become a major issue. Stone slabs make nice flat strong surfaces.

Make sure you leave all the little branches on the sampling, so while you're using your spring lathe you get whips of encouragement while you work

I was liturally so interested in making one...now I'm definitely making one

This is great, thank you!!

amaizing on how you rebuilt all that alone

I think I could rig up a counter weight flywheel pedal system that would be the same principle but very effective

@jamesmoore4554

Жыл бұрын

I mean, could you not just counterweight the rope on the piece being turned itself to the pedal? It's still pretty crazy they used this method to make things so long ago.

I remember seeing in a book a picture of a lathe that used a pully with a weight on the other end. It looked like it took a half step on a pedal to pull the weight up, rotating the lathe. In the same book, they used something similar to make a primitive power hammer.

@1:40 amazing how you cut out that plank before cross cutting it

"I find it very pleasing making things that make other things" I completely agree sir. 😄👍

Good to see Nate again.

I love how you use primitive tools but use a modern dowel. Brilliant

@sinfulhappiness

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha. I was thinking that too. "well that dowel he could make on.... the lathe he is making..." Haha Still fun to see.

got a shit eatin grin on my face seeing a steele anvil being used. so proud of alec and everything hes accomplished over the years

cool video, although I think one improvement that could be made- Instead of using a green tree branch, could you make a counterweight on a swing-arm to do the same thing? Similar to something like bucket cranes for ancient irrigation, it'd allow you to set it in such a way that you can get fuller rotations, and also you dont have to keep beating on yourself with a tree-branch.

@SonsOfLorgar

Жыл бұрын

Also, add a flywheel and an S-shaped crank betwen the weight and the pedal for continuous single directional rotation.

The lathe....i love this machines..great video

Love the Alex Steele anvil!

I decide to build a table, or carve a bowl. This man decides to actually recreate the history of human technological/tool use evolution and the industrial revolution. If you end up getting to the time machine level, I'd love to go back to when I was a younger man and have the balls to attempt something this incredible. Love what your doing.

I'm interested to see if HTME starts mass production on certain things in the near future. I am excited to see that! 😃 Through his personal industrial revolution of course!

This chennel has been super interesting from the start, but it's only building up better &better. I'm so down for the steam punk revolution HTME

Very cool keep posting!!

Absolute inspiration

Can't wait to see the evolution to use of a flywheel!

I have always wanted to do this glad you found a way to monetize it and I can live though you.

Coolness. Thanks inventor of the lathe. God bless.

So near the end Andy was talking about needing a machine powered lathe to turn metal, I don't know the excat road map, but you absolutely can turn metal on a treadle lathe, the step up from a spring pole lathe The only requirements for turning metal are firm clamping force, and constant forward rotation, HP and torque only matter when your able to produce tools capable of not breaking under the heavy and hot load of metal cutting And for funsies, one average human is more then capable of producing enough HP and torque to exceed the maximum cutting conditions of a small tungsten carbide insert in steel. 😁😅 I learned that one the hard way on a treadle lathe!

The survived will consider you a saint for you're work when you're videos are seen after the great boom boom.

That blacksmith is fabulous

love these videos

Dang I missed the episode where you made that modern forge and all the smithing tools and mined and smelted all that steel. Looks real good.

What a great video, a little bit of work and that lathe should get good quick. One thing that I think would go well with it would be to make a grinding stone for sharpening tools, make it muscle powered or from some simple mechanism like a paddle wheel. Keep up the great work.

I love that it's an @alecsteele anvil that he's using when he's making the gouges

What you are doing is just so *intensely* interesting!

yaaaay i was waiting for this video! - posted before i even watched 10 seconds

I've been thinking about making a small lathe for making parts for RC cars and other things. one of the lathes i was thinking about was the one you built, it should be good enough for wood , plastics and aluminium. 😀👍