[Sources and Notes in this comment] TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 01:10 - Overview 05:04 - Bird Wyvern History 06:58 - Hypnocatrice 12:15 - Outro SOURCES: Hunter's Encyclopedia G pg. 125 Monster Hunter Frontier 2012 Anniversary Book pg. 18 tinyurl.com/HypnocThread tinyurl.com/Borudoru tinyurl.com/igurueibisu tinyurl.com/Keputosu NOTES: - All Taxonomic names are made up by me. - The phylogeny used in this video series is heavily inspired by Capcoms official Phylogeny ( x.com/BannedDino/status/1710777772740595766 ), but modified for my purposes. You can find it here: tinyurl.com/OceanPhylo - "Jungles produce very few fossils" isn't a Monster Hunter Lore Fact, its a Real Life Lore Fact. - Bezoar Stones are a real thing, but as far as Monster Hunter is concerned, they are only ever mentioned in relation to Hypnocatrice. - The exact relationship between the Hunter's Guild and the Frontier Hunters is unclear. While they very obviously work together, and while we know that Mezeporta is in/near Dundorma, the precise interplay between their duties and activities isn't known. - The Hypnocatrice Variations alluded to in this episode exist in Monster Hunter Frontier and Monster Hunter Online. As both games are not considered part of the main series (as seen by their rosters being entirely excluded from the recent Popularity Poll) this episode did not cover them in detail - I just wanted to tease them as a little wink to my Mezeporta Chads.

@michaelgarner4423

2 ай бұрын

This just makes me want to see you play more of Frontier after the first video you made of it or was a one off video?

@xuanluu4873

2 ай бұрын

Curious, why did Borudoru have membranous wings like bats and pterosaurs if their ancestors, Igurueibisu, already possessed feathered wings?

@Oceaniz

2 ай бұрын

​@@xuanluu4873 youre gonna have to ask John Capcom about that lmao my best guess would be that Igurueibisu's wings were already leathery and had a coat of fluff-feathers over it rather than true feathered wings, but thats pure conjecture on my part

@xuanluu4873

2 ай бұрын

@@Oceaniz Hmmm, sounds legit. Tho I wonder, in this system of phylogeny of MH monsters you made, would normal Birds be within Avepoda or Theropoda?

@ceburn9004

2 ай бұрын

Hey thank you for the sources do you think you can provide it for the song that plays at 0:42 to, thank you.

Hypnocatrice being forgotten is such an injustice. PS: Anyone else besides me thinks "Garuda" would have been a better clase name than "Bird Wyvern"?

@vincentleonard3797

2 ай бұрын

It is a sin that this is easily the shortest of the Monster Hunter Ecology videos. I just looked out of suspicion, and it's not even close. Even if Capcom is content with keeping Hypnocatrice as a relict, with South Fonron as its refugium, we should at least get to see it again. Maybe investigate some of the Frontier sightings, who knows?

@alderwield9636

2 ай бұрын

garuga's name is based on garuda already

@AngelPerez-tu1nk

2 ай бұрын

@@alderwield9636 So? You don't see shared inspirations stop Pokémon

I'd love to see Hypnocatrice come back, we need more tough Bird Wyverns besides Garuga. Also next episode, ladies and gentleman it is *TIME FOR CRAB*

@whiteninji352

Ай бұрын

Diamyo Hermitaur is one of my fav just because I love the idea behind it so I’m rather excited myself

Can't wait for my name to be included in the patreon subscribers! ❤

Oh, so Hypnoc's bezoars are actually it's gastroliths? Amazing attention to detail, props to the Frontier team for thinking this up during the making of the monster when it's so common to just add information like this to the lorebooks as retcons.

@handtomouth4690

2 ай бұрын

True frontier fan to give frontier all the credit.

@athos9293

2 ай бұрын

@@handtomouth4690 This is like saying "True Portable 3rd fan for giving the Portable 3rd developers all the credit for Zinogre"

It’s really sad that of the three monster from Frontier ported on the Mainline, the Hypnocatrice is the forgotten one I really hope it return in a future game, probably not Wilds, but maybe in another 6th gen title, it would be a shame if Lavasioth got its time in the sun in the best selling MH game while Hypnocatrice gets forgotten

Your history lessons are always very fun. If hypnocatrice are considered living fossils, that would suggest that borudoru also had an organ similar to the sleep sack. Has something like that ever been brought up? SleepyFish/10

@Oceaniz

2 ай бұрын

I don't think so but it's a pretty safe assumption since Hypnoc is repeatedly said to be basically identical to Borudoru

Hypnocatrice will never be forgotten

I can once again feast on a mystical creature's biology and history from a game i don't play but i love, thank you for this.

@dranoradragonqueen1494

2 ай бұрын

ha ha ha you too!

Feeling way better now Ocean Man, Friday is always peak whenever an Oceaniz video drops.

Considering i have only played some of the more recent games i think i speak for a large amount of players that we would love to see some older monsters brought into the newer games like hypnocatrice. Maybe in Monster Hunter Wild?

Such a shame hypnocatrice has appeared once in mainline, i hope he returns lunastra style and given a modern take for wilds.That would put a smile on my face outside of quropeco being in wilds.

As someone who never played the older MH games, learning about monsters I never met is a very engaging experience....I'm really glad you've taken the time to teach us about these ancient monsters and knowing how they behave in the wild. Also, If the Hermitaurs are next can we expect the Ceanataurs to follow suit?

I hope this sleep bird comes back eventually. Maybe with some of his frontier exclusive subspecies

Just what I needed on this friday afternoon

I love these videos man like learning the lore is so fun and the lore and ecology of monster hunter is so vast and so much to learn

I love these videos so much! Please keep em comin

These videos are awesome! Love your content 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

I first came across this beautiful birb when I first got to Nekoht quests in MHFU!! Had a blast fighting it 👊. Love the homing hops 😄!! Fascinating ecology video as always, Oceaniz!! Keep up the great work

Now this is a great way to start my weekend.

Hope to see one of the episodes are in season two to be about the three first primate monsters that showed up in the second generation of monster hunter

Bird wyvern evolution is so complex due to the fact the group also englobes "true birds" and other theropods

YIPPIE ANOTHER AWESOME VID TAHOO

Hypnocatrice. Gone but never forgotten. 🫡

@pheonix_soldier

2 ай бұрын

Forgotten by capcom

BIRD UP

WAKE UP BABE NEW OCEANIZ BANGER

11:38 hunting quests tend to be pretty petty so that’s impressive

I already know this is gonna be good

1:34 I recognize that library anywhere. That's from the mansion from the first RE remake

Damn, i got my hopes up for wilds😭😭😭

I'm starting to think the Dougs we've seen are just the hatchlings of this thing. And based on their size I'd say they could have a very long incubation or gestation period.

Please bring back the silly hypno bird. I want to see him interact with Malfestio so bad.

I read the video’s title and began thinking of the Dance of Doom song from the LEGO Ninjago movie. 😂

so you're saying there's a chance that frontier can be explained as "hunters making stuff up"? that's hilarious

The thing needs to be brought back in a modern game. It was in like one game and never came back

Will there be a video on the zenith monsters?

I kinda wish you covered the zenith variants too

Silencio, comenzo mi novela!

What is the name of the song you use in the Monster Hunter Ecology intro?

Atleast Hypnocatrices edgy Brother Yi Qi is Coming to Ark Survival Ascended in Aberation.

What about the breeding season, gold, silver and zenith hypnocatrice?

FUCK YEAH BIRD TIME

nice

what is the intro music called?

What's the battle theme you're using in the beginning of each episode? i keep searching for it but can't seem to find it, even through the mhf music library

@Oceaniz

Ай бұрын

Its the Great Arena theme from MHFrontier! kzread.info/dash/bejne/h6SAudJroZSYdZc.html

@freshthemeemer4266

Ай бұрын

@@Oceaniz OMG! Thank you so much, i knew that it was a frontier song due to the style, i feel so ashamed about not finding it because I'm such a big monhun music nerd, thank you so much and also thanks for the great videos. Big fan from Algeria.

12:07 So...no one reports the arms and armor made from them?

Plz do Tigrex

12:05 LMAO

Birb

Que sea ingles no significa que no disfrutare de tu grandioso contenido gringo ojos azules🗿

Ayo Gothic 1 ost?

As i’m playing Frontier now, its funny to hear you just say “yeah frontier hunters are wack, theres no such thing as a silver hypnoc”. I can attest that silver hypnoc is indeed real, and very scary lol.

@randomnpc445

2 ай бұрын

mfw the funny silver bird throws a temper tantrum so hard it locks me in place and literally runs me over

Yeah, like someone else said, I don’t like how basically all of hypnoc’s history is basically written off as “probably not true” simply for continuity. Yes frontier is nebulous in its existence in Monster Hunter Continuity, but hypnoc basically only has history in frontier, and much more interesting and expanded lore in frontier with like three more variations and much more of a presence. I mean, congrats to the ocean man for even getting this much out of the simply the scientific lore of hypnoc and the basically nonexistent presence in mainline, but the video could get much more interesting with a variant, rare species, and zenith included to spice things up; even our ocean man talks more about how hypnoc is a “living fossil” with its phylogenetic history more than the actual monster itself. (Basically, if breeding and zenith hypnoc were even simply brought up, i would be marginally happier, and thats good

@Oceaniz

2 ай бұрын

(copy-pasted from my reply to the other commenter you mentioned) I hear ya, but there are a couple of reasons why I handle Frontier the way I do. 1. Frontier's actual relationship to mainline is pretty difficult to pin down, so any series trying to marry the two will eventually have to start handwaving and ignoring stuff to make them fit. I just choose to do that very early, because I don't want to go halfway into Frontier stuff only to THEN have to make sacrifices in accuracy/comprehensiveness 2. The way Lore/Ecology works in Frontier is somewhat different than in mainline: The mainline games receive bespoke Lore books that expand pretty linearly on the bits of info the games provide. In Frontier, lore is not only scattered in small, paragraphical bits among a huge library of Lore, Art and Data Books, but crucially, a massive amount of Monster info is contained in in-game text. I don't speak japanses fluently, nor do I have any debug tools that would allow me to easily scan Frontiers enormous volume of dialogue easily, so any inclusion of Frontier always runs the risk of balooning the effort involved in these videos as I hunt down sources, rush-play through Frontier to get the right dialogue and (maybe most laboriously) double and triple check age old fan canon. That is why I very consciously decided (and stated) at the start of MHE that I won't be covering anything exclusive to Frontier - I have to be reasonable about my workload. 3. There are plenty of creators around who DO speak japanese, who DO own many of the Frontier Books and who played the game when it was alive and participated in the community at the time. They are much better equipped to explore that games unique vision of MonHun. My channel is on the bigger side now, and I'm always worried that if I cover a topic, it will hog all the attention away from every other creator trying to discuss the same topics, and do so better than me. So one hope of mine is that by leaving natural gaps regarding stuff like Frontier, I leave spaces that other creators can fill in ways I never could. For Frontier specifically, I can recommend @CeraCymmetry off the top of my head, but you are sure to be rewarded if you look for other Frontier focused creators, both in video and text form. Trust me, I would love to make a definitive catalogue of MH Lore here on the channel, covering everything and anything, but every project has its limitations and this is mine. That's why I occassionally sprinkle in references to Frontier when I can (since the existence of Mezeporta & the Frontier Corps is undeniably canon), as a way of saying "Heye Meze Chads! I see you!" Thanks for watching, as always!

@cchieffkiefbeff

2 ай бұрын

@@Oceanizi guess its more that it feels like wasted potential, that there could be more covered and fitted into what already exists. But unfortunately, there is also a part that is saying if you cant give ALL the lore, dont give any because to me, incomplete is much worse and infuriating than simply nothing. But dont take it badly, the fact that what i feel is wasted potential instead of the latter shows to me at least that i enjoy your content, but as someone who gets deeply invested in what i like, it just feels a bit disingenuous to not cover all that you physically can. Quite rational indeed, maybe a lack of cooperation with others caused this for me. TLDR: expectations can and will balloon, but work time cannot

6:01 that’s not how evolution works though. Natural selection doesn’t allow for adaptations that would temporarily weaken a species

I dont think I'm a fan of ignoring Frontiers existence for a monster that is a Frontier Original. I get it for stuff like Blinking Nargacuga, surely, but Silver Hypnoc? Farunokku? Zenith? Those are important subspecies's and part of Hypnocs Frontier Identity. Without them, Hypnoc isnt a monster with a history and fanbase, its just another bird wyvern.

@handtomouth4690

2 ай бұрын

Didn't hypnoc release in Freedom and Frontier at the or similar time?

@alderwield9636

2 ай бұрын

@@handtomouth4690 it was first introduced in the first frontier game in 2007 alongside lavasioth, espinas, and many other frontier monster and 2nd gen monster. Then hypnoc and lavasioth brought to mhfu in 2008, in which he stays there mainline-wise till this day, meanwhile that stupid rock fish showed up in 4th and 5th gen

@Oceaniz

2 ай бұрын

I hear ya, but there are a couple of reasons why I handle Frontier the way I do. 1. Frontier's actual relationship to mainline is pretty difficult to pin down, so any series trying to marry the two will eventually have to start handwaving and ignoring stuff to make them fit. I just choose to do that very early, because I don't want to go halfway into Frontier stuff only to THEN have to make sacrifices in accuracy/comprehensiveness 2. The way Lore/Ecology works in Frontier is somewhat different than in mainline: The mainline games receive bespoke Lore books that expand pretty linearly on the bits of info the games provide. In Frontier, lore is not only scattered in small, paragraphical bits among a huge library of Lore, Art and Data Books, but crucially, a massive amount of Monster info is contained in in-game text. I don't speak japanses fluently, nor do I have any debug tools that would allow me to easily scan Frontiers enormous volume of dialogue easily, so any inclusion of Frontier always runs the risk of balooning the effort involved in these videos as I hunt down sources, rush-play through Frontier to get the right dialogue and (maybe most laboriously) double and triple check age old fan canon. That is why I very consciously decided (and stated) at the start of MHE that I won't be covering anything exclusive to Frontier - I have to be reasonable about my workload. 3. There are plenty of creators around who DO speak japanese, who DO own many of the Frontier Books and who played the game when it was alive and participated in the community at the time. They are much better equipped to explore that games unique vision of MonHun. My channel is on the bigger side now, and I'm always worried that if I cover a topic, it will hog all the attention away from every other creator trying to discuss the same topics, and do so better than me. So one hope of mine is that by leaving natural gaps regarding stuff like Frontier, I leave spaces that other creators can fill in ways I never could. For Frontier specifically, I can recommend @CeraCymmetry off the top of my head, but you are sure to be rewarded if you look for other Frontier focused creators, both in video and text form. Trust me, I would love to make a definitive catalogue of MH Lore here on the channel, covering everything and anything, but every project has its limitations and this is mine. That's why I occassionally sprinkle in references to Frontier when I can (since the existence of Mezeporta & the Frontier Corps is undeniably canon), as a way of saying "Heye Meze Chads! I see you!" Thanks for watching, as always!

Okay, what’s with the Hypnocatrice glazing in the comments. I get it’s got interesting history, but do people actually want it back in a gameplay level? What did it offer?

@spinoguy9775

2 ай бұрын

A sleep monster that it’s not Uragaan or one of its clone

@egbertmilton4003

2 ай бұрын

@@spinoguy9775 I mean, there’s the Gravios line and Green Baggi. Malfestio is a classic. The Somnocanth and Nightshade Paolumu have also been added recently. What does this monster offer to make it differentiate from these other sleep inducers. The Great Baggi does most of its moves and better, what with its ability to command a pack. What would bringing this bird add to the game? It would be the least compelling sleep monster in the game and fall into obscurity again

@spinoguy9775

2 ай бұрын

@@egbertmilton4003 Hypnocatrice it’s an higher rank than Great Baggi, and GB had already had its exposure in Risebreack, same as Somnacanth, and I don’t see the Paolumu sub return so soon (normally subspecies that are created for the expansion don’t get much chance to return in future) So I see it as mid tier sleep monster (with an updated combact like they did with Garuga) that fit nicely in any roster

@randomnpc445

2 ай бұрын

Although it was different enough from Kut Ku or Gypceros to stand out as an interesting low - mid tier bird wyvern, It doesn't matter what it _did_ offer. Any monster brought back in the current games could easily be made fun if given the chance, even if they weren't before. Look at what happened to Alatreon and Critical Brachy. Garuga too. Hypnocatrice already has a leg up because: 1. There are now multiple variations from which they could pull moves which didn't exist when he was brought into FU, beyond anything new they could give him. 2. His fight wasn't even that bad in the first place Ultimately, though, people just want to see more variation in the monsters that get brought back instead of the usual suspects that consist of 80% flagships and a handful of "normal" monsters, and Hypnocatrice ends up standing out as an "underdog," "forgotten," or "underrated monster," because he only exists in one main line game that was three generations and six games ago.

@athos9293

2 ай бұрын

Personality, sleep weapons, Great Forest map.