cheers mate, that was a brilliant watch!

the funni thing about this video is that this taught me how to sprawl and now no one can get a double leg take down on me or single thanks for uploading

@hiranhasaranga6450

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Are you still alive? Just curious 😁😁

@Tougestar

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​@hiranhasaranga6450 I definitely am and it's saved me a couple of times through high school 😂

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@@Tougestar 🅒🅞🅞🅛:D 😁😁👌

The Gilloutine is my favorite submission from a sprawl

He couldn't if you applied the pressure properly, and immediately went for strikes. They actually use this move a lot on the show in their final matches after they featured it, and it always works.

Key to a successful wrestling career: master this move.

Well, that actually depends entirely on the fighter. There's all kinds of guys out there who are more than fast enough to react to even a proper take down attempt (a big-named example would be Anderson Silva). And yes, sprawls are not a defense against a lot of take downs, you usually have to do the complete opposite and fall away from your opponent to defend against those.

wau this is awesome i will try this

my martial arts school taught me to sprawl differently; shooting my legs out and behind me keeps me stable and my opponent pinned

for every talking about kicking the head, its a high risk, high reward option. if you mistime the kick or not get it to connect properly your gonna get taken down, if you do connect but not at 100%, you may still get taken down. sprawling is the safer option. yes even in mma, there have been times where the knee to the face/kick has worked. but those are far in between and for every takedown attempt i'd say about 90% are countered with a sprawl

@Varencilator Dropping to both your knees limits your mobility while your opponent is still driving forwards with his feet. By dropping down, you're basically putting roadblocks on your legs and allowing him to run right through you. Also, the idea behind takedown defense is to keep him from having a stable grip on your legs and to stretch out his grip. If you're on your knees, he can pull your legs into him. In short, it's just not a position where you have a lot of power.

@TurdFurginson Are you saying from the bottom or top? As in, you're trapping the arm of someone who has the dominant position or do you have dominance?

This comment shows that you were no green beret (having served in the armed forces myself). The Marines teach takedowns and BJJ. If the takedown is done properly, the person grabs your legs or butt area while being parallel to your body. In other words, they're straight up and down, not bent over. That's why you simply can't push the opponent over and must sprawl to force the person at a downward angle, breaking his posture thereby allowing you to defend the takedown.

@SergeantCrunch Oh course the biomechanics of the move are easy to learn. You could say the same thing about any technique, even a punch or a kick. The thing is, it takes a Hell of a lot longer than ten minutes to develop the timing and intricacies of the sprawl to actually make it work against someone who knows how to shoot for a good takedown. Sprawling without a partner is as easy as doing jumping jacks; sprawling against someone who's good can be like trying to stop a train.

Kids do take wrestling in highschool, and adults take wrestling classes as well. Many other martial arts use a "shoot" to takedown their opponents so it's more likely than you might think.

@Anandfulness Since most of my training is military, escape wasn't the goal- if you were fighting unarmed, you needed to disable EVERYONE as fast as possible or you're going to be quite dead. The Army swears by Gracie Jiu Jitsu, and I've got to say, the only things that go head to head with it is сoмба, which has very similar elements of judo and a focus on joint damage, and קרב מגע, which is also focused on quick submission/elimination.

very good demo effective.

@dogbonez how are you possibly going to knee him when he would only sprawl on u if you are fully committed to a take down?

And that's a relief... Whew!!

the way I learned this was to make sure you arent on your toes because then the guy on the bottom can force the fight back to standing. I was told to stay on the top of my feet so if he pushes you just go with him

@TurdFurginson I'm a bit lazy (sort of an oxymoron in this case, isn't it?) So if I trap an arm, I like to go straight for triangle. If the triangle doesn't work (my legs aren't high enough, I didn't move my hips far enough, etc) I'll take the armbar (it's right there, so why not?) but often they'll try to shoot the other arm in, go to gable grip, and stack. In that case, I'll sit up and go for kimura. Usually doesn't work, but it doesn't hurt to try, and it keeps them from passing.

This move is used a lot by me. I am mostly a stand up fighter but this usually gets me to fight on the ground. (If I cant stand up)

for a stand up fighter...this is your most useful move you can ever use against a ground fighter...

@Anandfulness Eyegouge is pointless against multiple enemies unless you manage to actually rupture the eye. Why poke him in the eye when you you can just break his arm or leg?

ha this looks familiar XD I'm used 2 doing middle sprawls, but they don't work 4 me very well anymore =[ is the sprawl shown here a right/left sprawl?

nice this so hard

That's true, I probably wouldn't be able to knock him out by hitting him in the face or break any ribs, because I don't have my legs, but a quick pop behind the ear or to the side of the head can still be done very effectively with nothing but proper core rotation. You don't need your legs to be able to cause serious damage, just a different technique. And, with proper timing, I've almost never had a pre-emptive headstrike fail against an opponent going for my legs.

@Anandfulness Sometimes protective gear just doesn't cut it. Ever seen a khao yieb? That move was designed SPECIFICALLY TO KILL. Remember, the goal of many martial arts is to become a weapon in your own right. Muay Thai was originally used when fighting in close proximity to elephants- you can't swing a sword, you'll hurt the elephant. So you end up with a style that has the sole purpose of kiling. That's also why they traditional had rope wraps- the abrasion was like being cut open.

The sprawl will obviously vary depending on the style of combat and the technique of the person executing one. An MMA sprawl (such as the one shown) is going to be different than a standard wrestling sprawl, assuming the fighter doesn't want to wrestle after sprawling.

Where do you wrestle 3-3-3? I know in folk style high school is 2-2-2 and college is 3-2-2, is that free style or greco-roman?

@weidrake No, it's when an opponent shoots in for a double-leg or a single leg. He's not going down by choice. He's trying to commit to a takedown, but you stuff them to the ground. If you've never wrestled, you won't understand why this is necessary.

a wrestlers favorite move

im not talking bout the guy "mentioning" it in a conversation. I'm talking about the initial move Human Weapon is presenting, which of none are wrestling

@TurdFurginson From there, I usually end up with a really pissed off guy who REALLY wants to pass, because they realize that the submissions will just keep coming. If they posture back to pass, I enjoy going to open guard, switching my hip, shooting an arm through their legs, and taking Flower Sweep to Kneelock. I don't particularly like the omoplata because all it takes is a front roll, and then I have nothing.

@ThePinkMan ye usually if u mix it with a gelatine chock then its very effective and causes your opponent to think twice before trying to take you down

@ARdotSTEALTH This animation was exaggerated to demonstrate the sprawl. In real life, people drive through you when going for the takedown instead of jumping in front of you. They won't need to dodge any attack you make. When he's going for a takedown on you, he's going to be disrupting your base and you won't be able to generate the kind of power you need to stop him. Even if you manage to hit him, he's going to pay you back with dozens of punches after you hit the ground.

@BlueEonApocalypse it's says "force = f of bodyweight times acelleration of gravity minus the resistance of opponent." Simple enough, right?

yes you're right! Just use the suplex or twist of fate! X'D

Well, I would, because I'm very confident, having fought in my fair share of open-rules cage matches, that I can - and have, numerous times, for that matter - generate more than enough power to knock someone out with a good core strike. And in leg lift take downs (what I'm assuming you are talking about) you do have to shift your gravity under your opponents first, meaning at some point, your gravity is moving "down".

I have no clue what you are talking about. I've got my 2nd degree in Judo, been boxing for about 12 years, trained Muay Thai, the current MAC system, Green Berets C.Q.C., and have been in more than my fair share of fights in the ring and on the street. Nothing is a bigger relief than seeing a guy go for a take down in my opinion, because you do NOT need to be vertical to strike effectively with plenty of power to incapacitate or even kill.

i dont quite understand what your getting at here. can you explain?

so basically you are throwing your weight onto your opponent In a downward direction forcing their forward momentum to push them to the ground. While you do this your legs should retreat back far enough away from the opponent so just in case they are not stopped by the spawl they have less chance of getting your leg. Once this is accomplished it is very easy to follow up with chokes, locks, strikes, etc.

I never said I was a Green Beret, I just studied the C.Q.C. style. And no, not every takedown has you perfectly parallel to your opponent, quite few do in fact. Even the most basic takedown requires you to change your center of gravity at some point, meaning you inherently cannot maintain a totally parallel position. In this moment, you counter. It's pretty easy actually, it's where the majority of Judo combat takes place (in that small time frame of unbalance between defending and attacking).

@dogbonez Are you done rehearsing the story of your childhood?

This is American Wrestling 101

Also, with the proper weight shift at the right time, it's extremely easy to break any take down and retain limited if not total use of your legs. That's the problem with these kind of situations - everything is "if this" and "if that". You are right, in a lot of situations, the take down removes the ability of effective striking. But if reacted to properly, in a lot of situations, striking is still a very viable option. I'm not saying you are wrong, just not entirely correct.

think we can use this in football for like linemen or is it illegal or something

What was the silver guy trying to do?

thats what Im Here for.

Well, I was talking about double leg and single leg takedowns where your body is parallel. Quite honestly, if you want to use your "core" to hit me behind the ear at that point, please do. I am confident, having fought in the cage when hitting the back of the head was legal, that you will not generate enough power to knock someone down let alone out. In double and single leg takedowns you gravity changes "upwards", not down, while pulling your legs out or driving through them.

@jack91x No, eyegouge is normally faster than breaking the arm. Especially from that position (when you eyegouge from sprawl with the index, middle or ring finger). Your fingers need to be trained though. It's not as simple as just poking he eye. You need to find the eye with the finger and stick it from the side so you can rupture it (or at least damage it in another way). You can practice this on a dummy. In sparring you can somewhat practice this with facemasks but it's not the real thing.

@Anandfulness The one thing I'll give to the varied styles of Gongfu is that among the thousnads of individual styles, there is a dynamic for an evolving art- just like BJJ is constantly changing, new sweeps are "invented" every day, etc.- and it is in that ability to progress that a style becomes strong. I think that having a rigid system with no ability to bring in new knowledge is the reason "traditional" schools fell out of favor. That, and the EXTREME fitness required.

@jack91x I would agree that this sprawl is annoying with the leg so close for the attacker to grab. But you could also stand up pretty fast from here, and with MMA and strikes there are some good counters. If you are just experienced in grappling remember it's hard to grapple when the other guy just wants out. But I agree I don't ever sprawl off balance on purpose!

@ARdotSTEALTH Relying on the one hit knockouts is never reliable. I've seen numerous streetfights and no-holds-barred matches where this takedown (It's called a double leg takedown) is used, and the elbow to the back of the head never works.

@Anandfulness At ATT, we have something called alternately "the 3 man game" or "beat up ___" where a group of fighters gang up on a more advanced fighter. Generally, remaining standing does not bode well for the fighters, because the guy on the ground has more leverage, and all it takes is his feet or hands taking your leg(s). As for grappling "never being fast" and being "slow and tiresome", you must not have paid a lot of attention to the recent No-Gi world championship.

I saw this once in mma, twas funny :D

You seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about a reactionary strike, I'm talking pre-emptive. You strike before they make contact with you, otherwise yes, you are going to the ground. And then secondandly, I was speaking of once you are already on the ground, effective core techniques allow for strikes to remain a viable option off your back. I was never disagreeing with you or trying to say that once you've been grabbed to do anything with striking until you're actually on the ground

@PawnshopID Both. Being Tier 3 or above really helps if you want permission to do something. Asymmetrical warfare involves a lot of variables, and any advantage is crucial. I have several buddies who got permission to go to Australia just to learn their style of rappelling. And as my battalion is NG, I wouldn't miss much by going (3 weekends and a jump were all I missed. I lost jump pay, but got it back after the next jump) and yes, I had to pay myself. They weren't THAT happy about it.

@jagdjohn96 mine is the d'arce choke. flashy and effective yet very easy to apply.

who shoots from that far,you just sealed your own fate doin that

dont forget the underhook!

i wish they tagged this move for wrestling, Human Weapon hasn't mentioned wrestling at all

@WASTEDgameplay Yeah, this type of sprawl allows you to either punch or knee stomp him, to go for the anaconda choke or just stand up. So I think most of the time it's more efficient, also because you'll end up on the bottom if the guillotine fails.

very different way to how we sprawl, i tend to sprawl into guillotine, i like this method though i might try it

@watuchie, this is a sprawl, kick your legs back and controlling the opponents head/neck = sprawl, not going to look the same every time but thats how its done.

@destroyer919 I personally don't like arm triangles. They're easy to escape, and while you have both arms occupied, he has a free arm and can easily place his ankle outside of yours- which is the easiest way to escape from mount to guard. Once you're on the bottom, you don't have the weight or leverage to finish the choke, and you're likely to have 3 outcomes- he stacks you and goes for crush choke or armbar, he runs the knee and goes to knee-on-belly, or he "jiujitsu killer"s to side control.

it kind of is just cause of timing but usually when you put alot of weight when you sprawl the timing sometimes doesn't really matter

@OidrunkIrirshninja ROFLMAO That's epic. Mind if I use that as material for my FJ account?

@jack91x : The complete system will take you 15 years and another 5 to 10 years to master it. It all depends how hard the style is you practice. Some styles are relatively simple and don't have too much weapons (like wing chun with only butterfly knives). Some styles have extensive weaponstraining (knife, tonfa, stick, sword etc) and focus a lot on multiple opponents. I would go for Krav maga or JJ if I needed techniques quickly and traditional if I want to learn more than self defense.

It is a common mistake that people punch when a grappler already has their legs both in the cage and on the street. Nobody teaches to punch when you've already been wrapped up. The sprawl works and is taught for a reason, not only in MMA, but by the Marine Corps, Navy Seals, Army, and other special forces. A Marine, for example, is taught NEVER to punch once he's been grabbed by the legs already otherwise they wind up on the bottom. To me, that speaks volumes for the sprawl and its use.

I would also like to point out the early UFC when strikes to the back of the head and neck were permitted. They did NOTHING to stop the takedown whatsoever. In fact, a grappler won ever tournament.

Also, while your attacker is investing his entire body into that take down, I have the freedom of almost my entire body to go for the throat, the eyes, or the back of the head. I've had plenty of guys who knew what they were doing go for take downs and wind up unconcious. Sure, you have to take the takedown to accomplish it most of the time, you are right, to pull it off you usually do wind up on your back, but it's a lot easier than you make it sound.

So next time I go to football practice, if someone tries to tackle me, he will receive this

A kick to the bollocks will always suffice

@jack91x But you're completely right about the rigid traditional martial arts. I cannot believe that some traditional schools do not implement full contact sparring. This totally boggles my mind! How else can you practice your martial art fully? How can you know that it works if you've never tested it at full speed or at full power? Granted, some techniques cannot be done at full power but with modern equipment like throat, face and groin protectors this shouldn't be a problem right?

@Benochi Ah, but therein lies the problem- if a professional goes for double leg takedown and you sprawl like they show here, you'll end up in guard. Actually, if you're still half standing like they show here, you'll end up in X-guard or De la Riva if the guy is good, and at LEAST half-guard if the guy sucks. If he's off balance, why go off yourself and give the guy that time to recover?

He doesn't have to, the actual key to this technique isn't using your opponents momentum against him, it's simple gravity and mechanics. If your opponent is bent over, and you fall with your weight onto his shoulders, chances are he's going to go down, even if he grabs your legs. The move is a lot simpler in application than this video implies.

i tried to tie my kid's shoe laces the other day and he did the sprawl on me

@jack91x : ''I live just outside Miami, and get into fights on a pretty regular basis'' How come? Are you irresponsible or do you always have bad luck? ''Unless you somehow found a group of .... you'll do okay.'' That's true although that's taking a huge risk. I don't know what the army says about the negatives of ground fighting but the decreased mobility is a very big drawback in my opinion. I was taught to evade/block, hit fast and keep moving irregularly to create confusion.

@PawnshopID I didn't look into surfing because honestly, I suck at surfing. I would guess that the tidal patterns are pretty similar- spring and neap tides should be on the same days, and with the weather, i'd guess that only the rainy season would be bad for surfing. If you do the 3 month special, you can get classes for 440 a month (no private lessons though). The Tiger Grill was pretty cheap, but street vendors have some AMAZING food for literally pennies.

@Anandfulness I get into fights regularly because it's a bad neighborhood. The Army stopped teaching their traditional mix of boxing and wrestling to focus on BJJ because they found that it was infinitely more effective, and Krav Maga was too situation specific (besides revolving around the central idea of "kick them in the balls"). If you kick someone who's a blue belt or higher in BJJ, they're going to break your leg. Then who has a mobility problem?

Lol was just having a squiz at some videos, and I saw the posts to this one. My, what a laugh! Is it just me or does dogbonez come across as a desperate lil boy who has seen one too many episodes of Yo! Funny stuff!

@PawnshopID If you look at the prices though, it's actually an excellent deal. It ended up being cheaper to get the full package, 2 pivate lessons a day, a bungalow, a meal plan, and rent a motorbike than to pay my monthly rent.

@ThePinkMan ... very true and well said.

@destroyer919 : Trust me, if you have a serious eye- or throat injury, you will give up. Off course, if you go by MMA-rules, then it's different. You could still have a chance against someone that isn't trained enough in the groundwork.

Id say that it's developing into a style.

i've done that in my first fight, i was scared and instinct took over, and my body reacted to my opponents leap for my legs, and i just did as shown in this video, exept i used both elbows.

Also, if the person doesn't get there elbow's down, you could ram their head into the floor and end the fight :)

@Anandfulness Perhaps you have your styles confused- Jiu Jitsu means that unless you technical lift, you never have to stand up. While a sprawl gets one on the ground, it's being used BECAUSE THE GUY ATTEMPTED A TAKEDOWN. This means that the opponents are comfortable grappling instead of just striking. As for the people still standing, That's what X-guard, De La Riva, Spider, and Scissor are for- SPECIFICALLY for an opponent who is still standing. Hell, you could even go for butterfly sweep.

@ranDUMBcomment haha i learned this in wrestling at my school vista verde unbeaten!!!

It's illegal to knee your opponent's head while one or more points (other than feet bottoms) are in contact with the mat. This is because of the vulnerability of the neck in this position. It's much easier to snap the opponent's neck when he is down.

@zyphanus not always true though. if it was the street id feel more comfortable sprawling. because im more comfortable on the ground i wouldnt strike and that juncture id roll or submit him to make it an even better position to strike in.

But doesn't a typical sprawl actually have a different approach than the model? As in, instead of tucking your elbows in and resting them on your opponents' back, aren't you supposed to actually lock your arms around the opponent's back(between his back and arms) to lock him in place so that he's stuck in a bad position? If you just rest your weight on his back I would think that it's quite possible to just slip out.

@MrZombieskiller depends on situation, i wrestled, this is instinct if someone shoots in

million times better than gettin tackled n havin to worry about that

yeah,, im using it to teach me a few techniques for UFC lol :P :)

@jack91x Yes but 1) These techniques take up more time than a punch or kick so they're useless when there's more than one opponent standing up and 2) I have not seen them work in a no-rules sparring match (read: facemasks, groin protection, etc.). Usually they're made for competition. The moment stomping, kicking the head, groin, breaking the fingers is allowed, they become less effective. It's really difficult to do them when your opponent is only kicking you.

this would work on either single leg or double leg; it's definitely more dangerous but a lot less stable

@sacredrage I have been in a few street fights and used the double leg and one against a guy on my wrestling team lost one cuz i was just being stupid. and no besides the wrestling guy no one ever uses the double leg. most people just want to stand and swing. plus i got in trouble for fighting outside the gym and coouldnt train for two months but yeahthats a preety accurate guide to telling when someones lying ive seen many people day all that stuff

yes you can do this in a jujitsu competition..

@awwfulwaafffle Thank you for the illuminating words, sensei.