I closed the comment section on this video, since I'm seeing exactly the sort of hate comments that I denounce in the video. This is why you can't have nice things, dear internet. Sorry!

That Jupiter painting is dope

I feel this isn't just for misinformation. This same recommendation "rabbit-hole" is what got me into programming, engineering and science. It's really amazing how it works. You see one video that has a bit of science information and get a glimpse. Soon, KZread starts recommending more in depth stuff and you get "converted" to enjoying science, engineering or whatever other topic. It's pretty interesting how there are negatives and positives to this system. Without the KZread algorithms, I don't think I would be the same person I am today.

books ARE awesome. and thanks for the shout out!

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

You bet! Thanks for making that video - wouldn't have finished this one without it.

When Eratosthenes around 200bc calculated the size of the earth, it's embarrassing it's still a conversation

@IrishAnonymous01

4 жыл бұрын

It's a simple experiment you can do with a friend who lives a distance away from you over video call

@extrahourinthepit

4 жыл бұрын

Marco Creen Yes, he can. Can he present any proof you couldn’t claim is fake? No, just as I couldn’t prove you I’m human with writing you couldn’t claim is bot-written, captchas you couldn’t claim were solved by some Indian, pictures you couldn’t claim to be deep-faked, mentions in newspapers you couldn’t claim to be homonyms, videos with friends you couldn’t claim to be paid actors and a CGI model. Because when you become so skeptical that no proof is more valid than your beliefs, the truth becomes fundamentally irrelevant. Regarding his methods, he found a well, into which the sun shone perfectly in one midday of the year, so that you could see its bottom. But, in the same midday, the sun shone at an angle in a well elsewhere. Thus he measured that angle of the shadows by the second well in the same day the sun shone dead into the first one and calculated the angle between the two, and used their distance to calculate the circumference. Similar calculations have been made with multiple points across the world whose different angles are completely incompatible with any flat Earth model. You can do this by yourself. You can just call any of your friends who live far enough away and ask them to measure the angle of the shadows the sun produces at the same time, and (provided their measurements are accurate) you should get an estimate reasonably close to the actual circumference. If you care to try, I could provide you with acceptably accurate ways to take your measurements, the mathematical formulas and the explanations behind them, and people around the world to test this with (which you can avoid telling your measurements too, in case you’re fearing they’ll send you false ones to comply with your data).

@viniciusferrari2653

4 жыл бұрын

@@noahcaucasus look at this stupidity in its most pure state untouched by intelligence a crystal of pure bullshit

@viniciusferrari2653

4 жыл бұрын

@Marco Creen just search the alexandria library files he was a the chief librarian of the place

On solutions point number 3, I like this one a lot. I find it's better to converse, than to debate. When I talk with people about pretty much anything, I try to suspend belief while they explain things. Even if it's something I think I know, like Earth being round, how do I really know that? I've been wrong about so many things before that I felt I had over 99% confidence in. I'm not immune to believing wrong ideas. I guess what helps here is, having been wrong so many times, I'm not scared of finding out that I'm wrong again, it means I have a chance to throw away a belief that doesn't match reality. That's a cause for celebration!

Lol at the auto play comment at the end. As soon as you stopped talking, a preview for auto play for Vsauce’s video was next- “Is earth actually flat?”

critical thinking should be one of the absolute minimum skill sets that you learn right from the beginning... that skill would serve as a proper base for a solid knowledge and education and should help you filter lies from factual information.

Tell me that standing in front of a flat Jupiter painting was a deliberate choice! :) Love the painting btw.

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

It actually wasn't deliberate, it's just a painting I made. Thanks!

Autoplay is the worst and dumbest thing ever created.

That painting of Jupiter looks really cool, lucky!

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I made it :)

@JMPGX

4 жыл бұрын

Kurtis Baute How long did it take u?

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

It was like 6 years ago, so I can't remember...

I don't watch ANY adverts on KZread , I click them off immediately. They're annoying !

@Kircic

4 жыл бұрын

Cool

This is some interesting and fulfilling content my friend! I liked how you added 5 possible solutions and didn´t just ended your messege on the critic. cheers!

My family whatapps group got tons of weird article and voice mail about covid-19 im worried if they got misinformation about it

50% said they had doubts for the meme

@jacobperry7637

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly I would even though I know that earth is round

The subbox is so underrated, that’s basically the only thing I use... collabs are what expand my subbox!

Thank you for your encouragement to be kind to people who fell into conspiracy theories. In the end, love is the most important thing, and maybe the only way to help them reconsider their views with critical thinking...

Math powerland was one of the pioneers of fe he basically was the start

6:09 you got a source for that?

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, just forgot to put it in the video description (its there now). Thanks!

Excellent video, thanks for posting, my own belief is that some people can be easily influenced and maybe a little to lazy to research information for themselves.

Love how you support other scientific creators like Zentoro! (Still waiting for your documentary, but no rush) Edit: I like Climate Adam

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! We're all in this together. Actually, Climate Adam and I are working on a video at the moment :)

I highly recommend a youtube mini-series called "flat earth - serious analysis" made by SciFun who is one of the more known polish science KZreadr. It's very popular in here (a little bit sarcastic) and it was shown even in high schools to students :D. It has English subtitles so no worries, you're gonna understand everything.

@qwertyTRiG

4 жыл бұрын

I'll look that up.

@Malkovith2

4 жыл бұрын

That series is one of the biggest gems of youtube

Thank you for the video. Would you mind updating on your environmental work. I I attempting to start things in my area

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

Wish I had a good update. Over the last few months I did a bunch of planning to film a climate documentary this summer... and its looking like I'm gonna have to start over since the pandemic will still probably be shutting things down. Am gonna go back to the drawing board

Oh weird. I was just watching a random video and in the side bar it was suggesting the Tom Scott video you did so I was rewatching it then came to my subbox and you have uploaded. I should mention the original video I was watching I loaded up like 2 hours ago and just got around to watching. So its like it predicted this video coming out.

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

If only KZread could predict the future when it actually mattered.

@x9x9x9x9x9

4 жыл бұрын

@@ScopeofScience Right! That would be amazing.

8:00 You could make a whole video that goes in depth on that point. Great content mate!

you should do a collab with smartereveryday he just did a series on internet misinformation

True words!!! I REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS A TROLL! When I go search how. I see a red rectangle app suggesting me flat earth videos. Literally stop spreading misinformation.

Hail Sobek!

You are doing great work. Keep it up!

i created flat earth.

Excellent explanation on how 'the algorithms' from social media platforms create filter bubbles for each and every one of us. Even human interaction is filtered. Another example why corporate strategies of scraping together money often end up not being beneficial to people. We created social media and just started using them - education on how to use social media properly seems necessary.

Mark Sargent and Jeranism still cashing in by monetization and podcasting. Its hard to stop a joke when cash still flows!

@vthomas375

4 жыл бұрын

They're low hanging fruit next to the non cashing in by monetisation channels but lets not make any mention of those.

I'm not for censorship of any kind. I do say that we should have have access to all available information though.

@IrishAnonymous01

4 жыл бұрын

I've noticed youtube putting banners at the bottom of videos about COVID19, linking people to relevant and reliable sources of information (Such as your country's government info), It would be good to see something similar implemented for stuff such as this, climate change info, flat earth, conspiracies theories, etc.

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not saying KZread needs to remove all content that is non-factual. I'm saying that it shouldn't promote or recommend content that is extremely wrong or potentially dangerous.

"The share of flat earthers goes up for young people" YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!!

Seems like the phenomenon has morphed into a sort of micro-business model, where "debunkers" face-off against "true-believers". Basically it is akin to the Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog cartoons from the 50's. Both players are trying to earn a living by opposing one-another. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wolf_and_Sam_Sheepdog

“We have to tell people stories and engage with them emotionally” Do you think that would really help people believe facts? Teaching someone why we believe what we believe about the world is more compelling.

@extrahourinthepit

4 жыл бұрын

That in fact works out very well with flat-Earthers, right?

Hopefully this video gets recommended by KZread :)

On the young person stat for belief in flat earth, also remember young people are more likely to give a false answer because they think it's funny.

Interesting fact the catholic church did not laugh at Columbus because he thought the earth was round, they laughed at him because he thought it was around 9000 km smaller than present models of the globe predicted, Columbus was very wrong.

@JeremySmith-wc4lh

4 жыл бұрын

Even Kurtis said that the Religion = Flat Earth is correlation, not causation.

Well not just KZread, but the internet as a whole. Google's whole recommendation system doesn't only work on KZread but basically on every site that uses some kind of Google product.

But isn't the earth actually Dinosaur shaped?

I search for flat Earth but only because watching flat Earth defenders is comedy gold. Maybe the belief of flat Earth isn't increasing; our desire to make fun of them is.

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

Do you see how that is harmful? Do you see how bullying people (or watching people bully them) is harmful? Aside from how it makes people feel, the response is that it makes them distance themselves even more from reality, and the conspiracy grows.

The pewdiepipeline 2: flat earth edition

Kurtis would you say this may have originated as a kind of a Bielefeld conspiracy situation gone horribly wrong?

Loved it, hope you are doing well!

Another great youtub movie on the flat earth issue. I think that your point on government regulation is the lest important. The flat vs global Earth issue is a graet item to learn people how to think scientifically. I consider your previous movies obout this theme excellent ecamples for that purpose even for very young children. Thanks!

Earth isn't round, it's an oblate spheroid!

@precumming

4 жыл бұрын

Which is round...

@dogphlap6749

4 жыл бұрын

@@precumming No, the earth is not even close to round, it is close to spherical. Round is a 2 dimensional shape.

@IrishAnonymous01

4 жыл бұрын

@@dogphlap6749 It's slightly ellipsoidal

LOVE IT when you say..BOOKS ARE AWESOME!!! DEFINITELY TWO THUMBS UP!!!

Oh, this dude exists, glad to see you back!

regarding the graph at about 2:50 you should compensate for the amount of new users per time... otherwise it doesnt mean much at all

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

It does correct for that. Here's a graph for the searches just for "Earth", and *that* is flat... like, the graph is flat: trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all_2008&geo=US&gprop=youtube&q=earth

*🌍 is not flat*

@IrishAnonymous01

4 жыл бұрын

It's ellipsoidal

you said you were answering questions here in the discription so, Why do you have so less views for the quality content you make

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

I think this KZread video is a partial answer to that - KZread has a preference for misinformation, and educational videos perform rather poorly on the platform, especially those that are environmental in focus. So yeah, not expecting to go Trending any time soon.

@Thurqis

4 жыл бұрын

Kurtis Baute thats the best answer ive ever gotten on a question haahh keep it up ( you were in my youtube recommended tho) ( watched tom scott, think thats why)

@jedrzejc7369

4 жыл бұрын

@@ScopeofScience piggybacking off of this question; why have you removed ads from your videos? Was that KZread as well?

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, that was me - I removed the ads because I don't want my videos to help sell things that people don't need that will end up as trash that the planet can't handle.

@jedrzejc7369

4 жыл бұрын

@@ScopeofScience Thats really wholesome of you, a respectful decision. Do you have a Patreon or any other indirect medium through which these videos can actually financially benefit you?

Rligious person here: What the frick, even the Bible says the Earth is round.

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

I put some example bible quotes up on the screen in this vid that could fairly be interpreted as it being flat. At the time the bible was written, many people still didn't know the earth was a sphere.

It earth is round... there's something on my mind that keeps bugging me. Im questioning about if god created earth or us people who created god and who created that another god, and is god real if it is heavens are real And also i know this is not science that im not questioning about....

@reallifeistoflat

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not religious but it sounds like you're having a crisis of faith. Why does the earth need to be flat for God to exist? It's only very recently that true biblical literalism has been a thing. Early Church Fathers and Christians seemed to agree that large parts of the Bible were allegorical much like the Jewish Torah that it grew from. I don't share your faith but flat earth isn't a good reason to keep or lose it. If God exists then it created you with a brain to think for yourself and the evidence is clear that the Earth isn't flat.

Your thumbnail is a little clickbaity... The video is good and interesting but there is no such scene like in the thumbnail. I would replace it

There is almost a complete lack of critical thinking in our society today. That needs to be taught in our schools as much as science. As far as flat Earthers are concerned, I have a difficult time with them. They are impervious to logic, facts, evidence and simple observations. I would love to be compassionate with them but they seem to be impervious to that also. That leaves only one thing.

I’m young and very religious about Christianity but I’m not dumb enough to think that the earth is flat

@IrishAnonymous01

4 жыл бұрын

That's great. I hope you also understand that the bible was wrote in a very different time from now and that while most of its principals are still decent today, not everything in it should be strictly practiced. You'll be a better human for it!

I have always thought the world was ellipsoidal (or simply round) but I wanted to see the proof myself before I was certain (I proved it myself). I'm not a flat earther, nor would I have ever identified as one, but being sceptical is not always a bad thing. Blindly accepting stuff is bad. Prove everything yourself and/or take your evidence from trusted sources (AND THINK LOGICALLY).

@IrishAnonymous01

4 жыл бұрын

My point here is that I was sceptical (which would have been identified in the survey, had I taken part) but that isn't a bad thing and doesn't mean that I was ever a flat earther.

"KZread suggests wild videos to people..." Yeah a guy eating out of date food is very wild ngl, you're exceptionally right but not in the way you expected.

everyone who disliked is a flat earthers LMFAO

@EvilTaco

4 жыл бұрын

But there were no dislikes yet when you commented

@SK-pw9id

4 жыл бұрын

@@EvilTaco you have a point

@Xaviur

4 жыл бұрын

Wow very original comment haha good one

Unfortunately 8.000 is not near the required amount of people to corespondent OR represent the sample size for the whole of the us... *scientifically

If you haven't checked out Hbomberguys video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJt61bGoe6Suiso.html

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

This is exactly the type of content that I think is harmful. The attitude of: lets make fun of flat earthers "because they're stupid" makes the situation worse.

@Alex-cw3rz

4 жыл бұрын

@@ScopeofScience really? Have you watched the video at all, it never even calls flat earthers stupid, it goes over many claims and points out how they are wrong in a comedic fashion. So are you saying any critique of flat earthers is by virtue wrong to do or was it just you not watching Hbombs video and making incorrect assumptions that made it sound like that?

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

He does though (link to time below). I get that it's tongue and cheek, but in general the whole thing has a "I'm smarter than these people are vibe" sarcastic vibe. Giving something a pass because its 'comedy', thats not something I do. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJt61bGoe6Suiso.html

@Alex-cw3rz

4 жыл бұрын

@@ScopeofScience that was literally a joke he says in the next ten seconds that it was a joke. 45 minutes and the only time he says it is half way through after making many points against flat earthers, and even then he says they are not stupid and what he said was a joke. His entire opening was him being self deprecating and you think he was saying he was smarter than everyone else... When did I give it a pass because it was comedy?

More likes this video gets, more recommend it will be. So, let's like it! 👍👍👍

I wouldn't just say anecdotes. The bible literally says there is a firmament and has edges. Even if the internet is what insighted this information, the dogma from the bible is what makes it acceptable not to question this incorrect view point. Just like evolution

If KZread could also stop recommending religious videos... would religions go away? 🤔

@JeremySmith-wc4lh

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thoughts. Me: What would take its place?

I like how you insert far right in this video, like: "By the way altright have more live streams than political left... anyway... back to the flat earth" awesome!

@Ludix147

4 жыл бұрын

This makes me think there is a huge missed opportunity for non-alt-right political community building on KZread.

Goddamnit Michael :(

hi :)

:O

@SK-pw9id

4 жыл бұрын

:~~~~0)))))))))))

But let's be real earth isnt flat or globe like . But it's donut shaped 😂

@IrishAnonymous01

4 жыл бұрын

Donut shaped is called a "Torus", if you wanna sound smart when talking to people haha.

Such a great video, love this guy

Your suggestion to push platforms to be harder on misinformation is awful. Governments could use this as an excuse to censor information about people like Chelsea Manning.

Thank you for introducing your subscribers to the Flat Earth concept. For anyone who is curious, ask yourself: How do I know it's a globe, without using a space agency? It's harder than you think. Do your own research, and never stop asking questions. Long Live Flat Earth.

@JeremySmith-wc4lh

4 жыл бұрын

Kurtis would not approve. If you could publish (or find) a SINGLE, peer-reviewed, paper saying that the earth is flat, I would "convert".

@emmaly8993

4 жыл бұрын

markksargent ok, *explain how we can jump if apparently the earth is going upwards 35 feet per second*

@darkvendetta6765

4 жыл бұрын

markksargent How do I know it’s flat without a space agency?

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

Okay, it's not really that hard. I've done a lot of my own research on this channel: I actually went out and did an experiment (with my bike and two sticks), and discovered it was curved. I spent 36 hours watching a Foucault pendulum, and it acted as you would predict if the world were a sphere. I tested if the sun was distant or local, twice, and found evidence that it is indeed far away, as scientists claim. Mark, I know I'm not about to change your mind. Honestly, I sincerely doubt that there is anything that could change your mind on this - and that is a risky position to be in, because if you are indeed wrong, you will stay wrong forever. Something to ponder the next time you type 'long live flat earth'. All disagreements aside, I sincerely hope you're doing okay.

The Bible does not indicate in any way that the Earth is flat, it even says that it is not. Isaiah 40:22 "above the circle of the earth" Job 26:7 "suspending the earth upon nothing" People are often surprised when they find out that the Bible agrees with science.

can you explain antifa next?

My take is that I simply don't know if it's flat or round. I will not blindly accept both. We have 0 actual, non composite images of earth in itself from space and that's the root of my skepticism

@ScopeofScience

4 жыл бұрын

You mean... except for the film photos from every Apollo mission (like this famous one: www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1249.html ) , and from countless photos taken from the ISS, and from many distant space probes?

First

@SK-pw9id

4 жыл бұрын

ok

You still refuse to say it is a FACT that the earth is round, just arguing it's your best guess. 🌎🌏🌍

@emmaly8993

4 жыл бұрын

Roger C it’s not just a “best guess” it’s proven over centuries that the earth is round

Let’s get this the most liked comment just for fun do your thing boys

@holacabeza

4 жыл бұрын

No