Depends on the person's employment situation. If no current job, salary discussions can be delayed to secure a position. But if I'm currently employed and happy, I need to know salary/benefits upfront to even remotely continue with process. The IT job process is extremely demanding, for companies time is money and I'm not wasting mine to get something less.

@LuiSeD86

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely! I also work in IT as a Python developer and get contacted very often by recruiters on Linkedin. I do not have the urge to change jobs, so if a recruiter reaches out to me, and they do not come with a clear answer when I ask for compensation, I'll ghost them. Going through a recruitment process in IT is a very painful experience between the mental effort and the uncertainty of the outcome and I want to make sure it is worth it, that is all.

@dhenderson1810

Жыл бұрын

@@LuiSeD86 If they headhunt you, you have every to expect that you will be paid more and have more benefits for switching, or else, why jump ship?

In the days of $5 gas I will know the salary before I even drive to the interview

you don't need all these rounds of interviews making it a more difficult process especially when it's a low salary position.

@SHAWNDETROIT

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! I applied for a job that had four rounds of interviews! I was like what the hell! The job only pays 32,000 a year 😂😂

@DiamondFlame45

2 жыл бұрын

@@SHAWNDETROIT I wish jobs only had 2 rounds of interviews! Anything more than that, seems too much lol

@SHAWNDETROIT

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiamondFlame45 Agreed!

@tonimojo5859

Жыл бұрын

They are like a 4 that acts and thinks they are a 9

Simple: I don't apply for jobs where salary is not stated in the ad

@SkyePhoenix

Жыл бұрын

Yep! Same here.

@clcamila

11 ай бұрын

I hate when they dont add salary either, they should at least list a range

@stefbarks

9 ай бұрын

Yep, same w apartments or houses listed for rent. No photo, no interest from me.

just went through an offer negotiation where i was offered 90k annual, 2 weeks vacation (minimum is 2 weeks but standard is like 3-4 weeks), and undefined option to remote work. i countered with 95k, 4 weeks annual and remote work 2 days a week to offset high gas prices. the boss counters me with 90k, 3 weeks vacation (because it took the boss over 30 years to earn 4 weeks annual) and remote when it makes sense. mind you my job can be done fully remote. save for the pay, I wasn't get much more out of the change of job. so i declined. like i would have been ok with 5k less at 90k but the other options like remote work and longer vacation are a big plus.

@helpanimals-

3 ай бұрын

That's actually super sad that in North America, he had to wait 30 years to earn 4 weeks of vacation. Anywhere else in the world they offer 26-30 days at least

I'm a web developer and I've asked both salaried positions and hourly positions what their hours are. Almost always the salary ones have pretty long days and say there's often overtime, and the hourly ones are usually more flexible and well defined because they have to pay you for every hour. I've never had a salaried position where I wasn't asked to work at least 50 hours a week as the minimum, so now I almost always do hourly because I either get paid for them or they don't ask for the extra hours to begin with. Don't give them control over your life, especially if they need you more than you need them.

@AK-47ISTHEWAY

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, I would figure salaried would be better for at least being able to negotiate a higher pay for the hours you're working. I suppose though that then depends on what you value more, longer hours but higher pay, or less money but a better work-life balance.

@jermainemyrn19

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, I never work salary because I know companies are sleezy.

@Thomas-po4ex

Жыл бұрын

This seems strange to me. I have had one Software Engineer position so far. At my last position it was salary based and I was only expected to work 35 hours per week. 7 hours a day Mon-Fri with 1 hour worth of break time spread throughout the day. Even when I got lost in my work and accidentally stayed late my boss’s boss would come over, and make sure everyone knew the work day was over so we never stayed too late and got burned out. Even my boss would usually go around the room Friday afternoon and tell people to stop working and play games with him in the break room for the last work hour of the day. I was never contacted anytime other than normal business hours and never had to work weekends. So I really only needed to work 34 hours per week and got paid market rate for 40 hours. It was great. Sadly I and a bunch of others in the company were recently laid off due to budget cuts. Now I am looking for a new position preferably with the same kind of treatment.

When I applied for a job it had a minimum and a max, got hired at the minimum, but when I got the actual job offer I negotiated my pay and asked for a higher amount and started at a mid-point. I waited for the actual job offer though because then HR and the organization will lose time and money.

Thanks for covering topics like this. The whole salary negotiation topic has always been a point of contention. I think it's because there is often a level of distrust in recruiters thinking they are always trying to undercut the salary. 90% are just trying to find good talent because the recruiters are often graded based on the quality of their hires. So it doesn't help them to undercut you and then you leave 6months later.

I'm fine with having the recruiter bring up salary expectations but they all should make it one of the first few things they discuss, nobody wants to spend 30+ minutes talking about your background, the company and the role only to find out you and the company are far away on salary. I actually just had an phone screen a few days ago and it was the first thing the recruiter brought up because the recruiter had a number of initial screens where when they got the compensation portion (towards the end of the call) and they were very far apart and the candidates all felt like it was a waste of their time. As far as hours go - I am always upfront right away about the fact I have set office hours when I first get into a position and anything outside of that is going to be a rarity. Setting those boundaries right away is crucial.

Always loved watching your videos. They are honest, rational and simply explained

I bring it up right away towards the end of the conversation when they ask "do you have any questions for us". I won't work for any company withought knowing how much I'm getting. They already act shady by not putting it on job posts on indeed. I never have interest in roles, I just need my bills paid and I'm willing to tell you what you want to hear to get it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. My advice is to care more about yourself than the company. Provide them the illusion that you care.

the "dont forget to wiggle your mouse" mug is absolutely hilarious! After binge watching corporate spying videos that one hit hard.

I still firmly disagree with both of these points, and I would walk away if the recruiter pushed back on these questions. The primary reason why people work a job - any job - is to trade their time for money, and no employer worth working for will be turned off by these questions. You always need to have a tentative agreement on salary up-front, and you need to have boundaries on how many hours of your life you're giving them each week. This is even more important (not less!) for salaried positions, because unscrupulous employers will take advantage of that relationship to demand long hours you aren't getting paid anything for. Asking at the start of the interview is bad, but it's not because it's too early. You should already be confident that the salary and hours will be within your boundaries by that point. You should be in the habit of saying "I'm looking for positions in the range of $X. Does that match the salary for this job?" That's time out of your day that you aren't getting paid for, so you should never be afraid to bring it up. Most people need to work to live, and any employer or recruiter worth your time will respect your need to know this information up-front. If they take your question the wrong way or dodge the question, see their reaction for the red flag that it is. If the interview process reveals details of the job that would affect your salary or hours target for that job, then you can bring those up during interviews, but you should always have a baseline to start from. A recruiter's desire to tell you about the job never outweighs the fact that you're taking valuable time out of your day to go to an unpaid interview. I'm not taking time out of my day for an interview that doesn't pay what I need to take the offer, or that demands more of my time than I can afford to give, and you shouldn't either. If an employer takes the question the wrong way, my first thoughts are "why are they trying to hide this from me" and "is this interview even worth my time?" Sure, it will spell the end of some interviews, but that's a good thing because it weeds out anyone who would string me along in the hopes that I'll have sunk so much time into interviews that I take a lowball offer.

@ChiTwnCutie

2 жыл бұрын

Well said, great points. Other areas of our lives we know the price point or cost i.e., buying a house, car, healthcare. Why should the salary for a job be any different?

@misterj3133

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to type something similar, but you nailed it!

@anniesshenanigans3815

2 жыл бұрын

yes. I agree with you totally. So much time is wasted on these job hunts with everything being online now.

@MusicGurlDez

2 жыл бұрын

The recruiters I spoke to discuss salary and hours with me which is good. I always say that people work to provide for themselves some of these companies have a lot of ego. To me it's simple when I hire. I want the help and the people I hire need the money. I do want to work with people who I feel aligned to.

@pennydevine6847

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you Tathar. I'm listening to this dude and I can't believe he's so detached . Come out of C-Suite and get a feel for real workers before posting your videos.

Got a job making over 15K more. Thanks for your advice!

@ALifeAfterLayoff

2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic!

@8888beemer

2 жыл бұрын

@@ALifeAfterLayoff would you take a job making more money but doesn’t offer a pension or bonuses.

I strongly disagree, especially with hours. Maybe I'm not a guy that likes/can get up early in the morning. And at the end you tell me that I have to be at work before 6AM. Or maybe you tell me that I need to work during the night. With the salary is a bit more complicated, because you can't tell me a salary until you know more about me, I understand that. But a range (even a wide range) at the start of the interview process helps a lot. Otherwise I might found at the end (after 3-4 interviews, HR, manager, tech, etc) that I'm great for the job, but you can offer only a very low salary.

I would definitely want to know the hours. Anything working over 42-43 is just working for less money. My salary comp is substantially different at 40/h/w or 55/h/w. Also my burnout / turnover rate. I have no problem putting in a couple extra hours but once you give they just take take & take man. Someone else’s work who’s firm on not going over 40 just falls on your lap.

@TatharNuar

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I don't like this advice, and the clarifications don't make me feel any better about it.

@sexygeek8996

2 жыл бұрын

They have no problem asking for extra hours if you are on salary, but they will be very upset if you ever work fewer hours.

@anniesshenanigans3815

2 жыл бұрын

several jobs I applied for were advertised as part time and at one particular location. When I got the "call" it turns out they wanted someone that would travel between the facilities based on need, and work more full time hours (for no benefits). So, I think they should be more transparent in the ad, as well as the 'call' even before the interview.

This is great advice. Bringing up salary as the candidate very often shows more interest in compensation rather than the job at hand. I have been in situations where the recruiter / interviewer didn’t mention it all until offering me the job. It was a waste of 3 weeks of interviews because they offered 1/2 of what I eventually landed. So it is an important topic and needs to brought up tactfully-it should never be the main focus.

@errrzarrr

2 жыл бұрын

It works both ways. Bringing it up late by the employer often is a red flag and too late from the employee often lack of commitment or interest. A healthy conversation/interview wont about this topic and will have sooner rather than later.

@SkyePhoenix

Жыл бұрын

I don't even apply for a job without first knowing what the hours are and how much it pays. It's a red flag for me if an employer isn't upfront with what they're offering.

The question of salary always gave me very high anxiety. This is great advice.

I work for the state where the pay sucks, so we tell candidates before they even come in what the salary is. We don't want to waste their time or ours as the range is narrow and low.

I can see both sides of this. I've only had one interview in which after the process and an assessment did I learn the pay was too low. My first significantly higher paying job (higher than what I previously was making, not so much in the grand scheme of wages, lol) was hourly but was with a start-up that didn't even interview me and sent me an email informing of the compensation. I know some people don't apply to jobs that don't post their wages but had I taken the same mindset, I would've lost out on an amazing job. Sadly it didn't last due to a contract not being renewed but I don't regret my year there one bit. My current job had an account manager contact me (not an outside recruiter) and while she never mentioned pay and I never saw a good spot to bring it up, I'd already researched the company and its employee reviews and was impressed with what I read. Most current and former employees enjoyed working there and those who left usually did so because their career goals didn't align with what the company offered, with a minimal amount being related to pay. Because pay wasn't a huge factor to why most left, I didn't stress about not having discussed it yet. She gave me a run-down of what I would be doing, which aligned with my skills, and outlined the benefits, which were better than any job I've had before. More positive signs about the likely pay. The building the full interview was in said a lot as well and while my full interview was over two hours, it wasn't a negative experience and was more like a conversation with some light interview questions thrown in. At the end of it, pay still hadn't been breached and I'd exhausted all other questions, so I brought it up. The range was right where I wanted, and what I expected given everything pitched to me. I felt very confident I'd gotten the job, and was right. When I did get the offer, they based the pay off of what I'd listed online...which I'd done my math wrong. The offer was higher than what I'd put, but not as high as it was supposed to have been (the annual amount of what I'd made at my last job that was hourly). I owned to my mistake and informed what I'd been trying to go for, explaining my math. While the project manager whi'd called me (who'd been part of my interview) had to run it by corporate first, they soon approved my request. I can't speak for everyone else, but I think having waited to ask about pay also helped me with getting the job. Higher pay is great, but for me and maybe just me and my past of really bad jobs, work culture was also important. My job is only open 8 to 5PM and while I can work more and be compensated (I'm non-exempt), it's not a mandate. The health insurance didn't cost more than I could afford and paid holidays off with two floating paid holidays was more than I could've ever imagined. I wouldn't have known these things had I peaced out the instant I heard a number that I didn't like and like I said, they were willing to consider my request for a higher amount, though they would've been within their rights to deny it given my mistake. They may have not done that with someone they barely knew who's first question was about money. It's something very important though, so again, I see both sides. For myself having just become salaried for the first time, it was well worth it to wait before asking given all the positive signs I'd seen. Now it's two weeks into my job and I'm enjoying it and my co-workers. I'm looking forward to being here for quite some time.

Good video. What about when the first interview is with the hiring manager who doesn't bring up salary? This happens a lot.

@ALifeAfterLayoff

2 жыл бұрын

I would treat it like the initial screen then. Ask away.

Thank you for this. I just had an interview with another department within my company and it went very well and they liked my responses but they never covered salary expectations. I was very cautious when I brought this up in the end of the interview and phrased that “I do take salary into consideration when accepting my next job because I will be more inclined to commit long term to it and will be taking some risks in leaving my current job which I am currently comfortable doing. I am in no rush to find a new one so I am very conservative in my job approach as I do not like job hopping.”The manager did give a vague answer and didn’t give me a range and said many factors will determine this and it will be in the best interest of the company but it sure shouldn’t be less then what I currently make at my current role. It did feel very uncomfortable asking this but I also wanted to make it clear that this is a factor that will determine if they do decide to offer me the job. It seems like the manager was hinting that he expects years of commitment for the person they will be hiring in this role and needs someone who will be patient with them and not give up on the position in 1 or 2 years but with a competitive salary that wouldn’t be an issue now would it?

Love the content as always

It doesn't matter if they're going to pay you twice what they expected if you're going to hate the job, sure. But it also doesn't matter if it's the dream job you've always wanted if the pay is vastly lower than what you need. And establishing the pay range is much quicker and more concrete than figuring out if the job is one you want. It would make sense to cover that first. But employers want to be coy about pay range in order to pay the least they can.

Unfortunately, based on my experience, those employers who will work you to the bone know they need to hide this information in order to get anyone to take the job. The absolute wrong time to find out you're expected to work excessive hours is after you have the job. It is completely reasonable before accepting the job to understand what the work/life balance is going to be. Instead of asking how many hours of work per week is expected, I'll ask a question like "What would be the expectations for my availability outside of standard work hours, including nights and weekends?" You can usually get a good sense right off the bat depending on how they answer this question. Companies that routinely overwork their employees will either be forthright and state outright what the expectation is OR they will try to wiggle out of giving a direct answer. At least with the former, you know what you are getting yourself into; with the latter, all you will know for sure is that it is likely a toxic work environment where employers don't respect employees and their boundaries.

@SkyePhoenix

Жыл бұрын

In my experience, sometimes they will flat out lie about the hours.

It's fair to ask what the business hours are. I worked a job that had a 9-5 expectation and I was able to shift that to starting earlier. Salaried or not, you should know when you can expext to be working.

I think it depends on the industry too. Where I live I've never interviewed with a recruiter, it is always with the hiring manager/leadership team.

I understand that your standard advice is to look for the cream of the bunch in employers. Sadly in smaller markets this might be a handful and the options one has are limited. In a job market that employers routinely consider they own your skin when they pay you a salary, it is not a matter of how the work life balance is handled in once-in-a-blue-moon situation (which we all can be flexible with) but when this becomes the norm and the employees are expected to work intensively 60+ hour weeks as standard while the job advertises for 40hrs. How can a potential candidate ensure beforehand that is not going to end up jumping ship within a few months due to that?

It seems ridiculous that candidates need to learn how to dance and tiptoe around core aspects of a job such as salary and work hours. Companies can easily eliminate endless salary queries by simply listing the salary range in the job spec. It will also help prevent both hiring managers and candidates from wasting each other's time. You hear many stories of candidates going through endless rounds of interviews and evaluations at seemingly prestigious companies, only to find out at the end that the salary is lower than a fast food outlet. Work hours should also be listed (9-5) or whatever. Companies like to label people with healthy work life boundaries as clock watchers. That is nonsense. Companies feel nothing to add more work or extra hours but very rarely add extra pay to compensate. If you are hired to work 8 hours a day then anything after that is unpaid labor and beyond the scope of your contract. Companies like to slip in clauses such as, 'may need to work a few additional hours on rare occasions at the discretion of management.' Candidates should request this clause be followed with ..'any overtime will be compensated at an equivalent hourly rate.' Most employees understand that at times work may need to extend beyond normal hours, but then it should not be for free. I liked the comparison to dating, but I think you missed your own point. In the current culture, dating has become pseudo prostitution, where the bedroom fun at the end of the date is an expectation and not a rare bonus. People date to hook up. People work for money. Anyone that says otherwise is either lying or gives their time at a charity and does not need the money. It feels artificial to have to come across as someone who just wants to work and loves what a company stands for, and if they pay me, well, shucks, that is just a lucky extra.

@SkyePhoenix

Жыл бұрын

Dating nowadays is awful too.

Thank you for this information! I rarely meet recruiters in my line of work, so when I go on interviews I usually talk with either the manager or the company owner. (Ie. Writing, editing, or office jobs. Tomorrow I have an interview at a resort for an HR position, and the person who contacted me for the interview is a co-owner and director of guest services.) Would you say that changes when I should ask these questions?

Thanks for the video! Can you please make one video where you explain the process of a agency contractor to perm position in a research IT company ?

Honestly I hate that companies just can’t be upfront about the salary range from the get go. I don’t want to waste an hour of my life interviewing just to find the jobs minimum wage. I know you should want the job not the pay that comes with it, but let’s get real here, we’ve all got bills to pay so I don’t care how fantastic your job is if won’t cover my rent and bills.

@TheDecoCottage

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, I agree. A job I enjoy and am interested in is all well and good, but not worth it if it doesn’t cover my living expenses. I’d rather not waste the potential employer or my time if the pay isn’t where I need it to be.

I get paid fairly well and in some cases above market. I literally don’t want to waste my time and the recruiters time if we are far off on salary. If the company is truly interested in my skills and knowledge then they are willing to be flexible on the salary range. I will hear what the job is first then close out with salary range. The HR person knows. I literally was willing to walk away from the role over the salary and continue interviewing since I already had a job and was not in a rush to leave. Essentially I could say “no”…. In the end I got what I wanted and my current employer is happy with my performance and for joining the company. This resulted in me getting over a 25% raise.

Haha I asked about the hours for a professional position and def didn’t get hired. But it was for a director of nursing position & we get worked to the bone 😩. I wasn’t offered the job tho 🤣🤣

Good advice👍🏼

You do not need to wait for the recruiter, if you wait for the recruiter he's gonna ask you what you want to make. You need to put them in a corner and have them tell you.

What’s usually the reason for an employer change their pay structure from salary to hourly? Something to me feels like that Is a negative trait? I would love if you did a video about this topic.

Or the third reason pay might not be brought up by the recruiter is that the pay scale is poor, and they don't want you knowing that until you do the work.

It ought to be the first thing you ask about. Hell, there's even a good argument for legally requiring it to be up front. Cause what they, the business dirtbags want to laugh at you, tell you you're worthless and expect too much. Then offer you half of what business media says to expect. Then go on Facebook & LinkedIn and mock and laugh at you for accepting such low pay.

how to ask for a raise? if the raise is only 2 to 3% do you ask for more? I went to school for 2 years to become a machinist. I jumped into a a job role were i basically knew barely anything as a machinist and now im highly productive. when my 1 year anniversary comes, I really believe i shouldnt get a 2 to 3%. Thats half the rate of inflation and think i should get a performance raise. Id be fine with 7 to 8%

As an European listening to the "clockwatcher" thing and that at 5pm people just get up and leave... Poor Americans 😂

@DiamondFlame45

2 жыл бұрын

In Europe, you at least have worker protections and stronger unions.

Hi Bryan. I'm from Chile and in the last few months I've seen a couple of ads from recruitment companies that offer remote jobs from the US. They all feel a bit scammy to me, but it is just a gut feeling. Do you have an opinion on that? Do foreigners have real chances of getting a remote US job?

@pedron30

2 жыл бұрын

as a person living in mexico who has a remote job as a contractor with an usa company...yes, lately there are way more remote jobs, but you should definitely keep an eye open for possible scams, unfortunately that is something that can happen. I would recommend researching the company, how long it has been around and see if someone online calims this is some sort of scam

@panchopaulo111

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedron30 thanks, mate!

Please help I have a scenario: Interviewer: What are your salary expectations? Applicant: 60k/year, (but you know after taxes you only end up with 40k). Which leads me to my question: Does it sound crazy to say net 60k or just say 80k because you know after taxes you will get your desired range, which in this case is $60k/year

@lauriesell7934

2 жыл бұрын

My humble opinion-Everyone’s tax rate may be different depending on marital filings, dependents and tax credits. So, do the math you know yourself better and ask for what you need.

WE ARE!

Hours are as many as needed… lmao I get paid for 40 hours so I’m only going to be working 40 hours… even if I’m there for 50-60 hours… I’ll only be doing 40 hours of Actual work. Gone should be the days Where employers expect you to work more than 40 hours a week.

Irregardless is NOT a word lol. The word is Regardless, because it's already a 'negative'

What happens when it is the opposite? The recruiter asks for your salary instead of explaining the job. That happened to me when they requested my cv on LinkedIn. I didn't apply for the job, but they where more interested in my salary expectations instead of explaining the job.

@anniesshenanigans3815

2 жыл бұрын

they were probably just surveying for their own purposes.

@faviorc2

2 жыл бұрын

@@anniesshenanigans3815 thanks. I didn't think about that

would anyone here double apply for the same position in the same company? so i saw a company i liked, the interview went average, i was told i would be sent with an offer, but didnt get anything, then they repost the same position after a few weeks, should i sent in my resume again? any thoughs?

like and comment, now on watching :)

Take a salary because of a job, not a job because of a salary

It's like dating you say.... got any dating tips?

Since when that topics about salary and hour work rate become taboo all the sudden? Off course its best to asked those questions last, but doesn't mean that it would not be discussed in the interview!

When you go to a shop and want to buy a product you don't waste hours talking about whether the product is a good fit for you. The first thing you want to know is how much it costs. Employees sell their time, it's a service and it's so hypocritical of companies to play the game that it's not about the money and ask the candidates when it's quite obvious that money is the reason why we wake up and work with people we would otherwise not.

Salary is such a rip off I wish I chose an hourly paid profession

@selenasimmons6653

2 жыл бұрын

No you don't...Overtime only puts you in a higher tax bracket...being an employee is all around hard...take it from the Japanese...tht term "salary man" has some truth

@TheDecoCottage

2 жыл бұрын

@@selenasimmons6653 It depends what tax bracket you’re in. I’m solidly in the middle of mine, so I can afford to work OT since it’s taxed at the same rate as my hourly base pay.

Lol I hate we have to pretend we live in a society where we aren’t required to work for a living

Not at all, it's tacky.

At minimum; 20% of whatever the CEO makes.

I strongly disagree with this and we need to buck this trend.

SCHRRECH! hold the fk up.... pause video.. thumb just switched from up to down. He just said, "IRREGARDLESS " C'mon... anyone who uses that non-word loses credibility instantly.