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@Xoxifor

5 ай бұрын

how do you not have more subs

Gabe always has a plan. he definitely considers what people want, how much it will cost him to create and sell it, and how much profit he can make off of it while at the same time, trying not to piss off the majority of the gaming community, which i think he does pretty well at

@holygxd-

4 ай бұрын

I agree, I also think having the ability to have an open source console (your pc), to use instead of a AIO (all in one) headset, is such a smart move. I'd much rather have more control over my components rather than meta's own computer servers n stuff

@masterbond9

4 ай бұрын

@@holygxd- yup, meta is only popular because its cheap. it does make me wonder about their RoI on the quest headsets. theyre obviously making enough money to support them and make new generations, but how much of the cost of the headset is profit. are they making so much money on them because of how cheap they are and intentionally saturating the market to force people to follow their lead?

@holygxd-

4 ай бұрын

@@masterbond9 yeah, I recently took note of the Index headset still being $500 new and I think valve finna make a new headset for $299 maybe to compete with quest 3, I also think more people would find that price point attractive tbh

@masterbond9

4 ай бұрын

@@holygxd- that's what I was thinking about. I'm wondering if the index is already as cheap as they can make it, but I'm going to wait for whatever the index successor until a release date is announced and people have it physically in their hands

@holygxd-

4 ай бұрын

@@masterbond9 me too it’s all about customer feedback

I'm gonna start getting excited for the Decard once they actually announce it.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Sensible idea lmao, you know what Valve are like.

@Mrjackcool2

5 ай бұрын

​@@Kadvler I've been tryning to buy a Index headset for a week now yet the Deckard is holding me back. Do you think it's worth buying at this time? Knowing valve, the deckard is potentially 2+ years away.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

@@Mrjackcool2 if I was you, I’d go for the index, the deckard could be announced tomorrow or in 2 years time like you said. And if they do get announced and you’d rather have the deckard, just sell on the index.

@zackhack_gamer2487

5 ай бұрын

@@Mrjackcool2 you should buy bigscreen beyond,it won't be outdated if Valve will release their headset

@Mrjackcool2

5 ай бұрын

@@zackhack_gamer2487 Bigscfeen beyond is very expensive for just a headset, i'd end up blowing 2k. Even without eye body or face tracking. Out of scope for my budget

Steam Link was the next link in this chain - with every hardware product Valve releases, they iterate what they've learned into a new product.

@davidknightx

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. It made literally NO sense to me why Valve would release the wireless Steam Link VR for Oculus when you already have Oculus Link and Virtual Desktop. They're using Oculus to beta test wireless app for Deckard. Save your $$$ boys, it's coming.

You heavily undersold a few aspects. Not only will it be wireless, it will be fully standalone (no pc required). The Foviated rendering is also immensely important because it will be a paradigm shift where a VR headset not only outperforms regular flatscreen gaming but does so more immersively. It's going to be a full computer, not just a game device and people will buy it instead of a laptop once they find out about the features it offers.

Valve always makes their products the best it can make them I'm waiting patiently for the day this headset releases and going all in.

@AjayXD__

5 ай бұрын

IF I have enough money that is lol

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

I agree, Valve make some good quality products. Cant wait to get my hands on the deckard!

It would make sense for Valve to create Steam Link for Meta because that would make it even simpler for potential new Steam users to use their platform to buy their games. Air Link isn't great and Virtual Desktop isn't free. I don't think you're wrong but i do think it would still make sense for them to make the Meta app even if there was no ulterior motive.

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Oh yes of course I agree with you, with better accessibility to the steam platform their sales will most definitely rise. But like I said, in conjunction with the SadleyItsBradley leaks I’m confinement there is more than one motivation behind the steam link :)

@diceman3616

6 ай бұрын

I'm actually surprised Valve just didn't buy Virtual Desktop.

@calebvangelder1101

6 ай бұрын

And by people buying more games on steam for their quest it is more likely people will make PCVR games which means people actually have a reason to buy the deckard.

About time someone competes with meta, hopefully

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Hopefully 🙌

@leongamin3834

5 ай бұрын

Actually Pico was on the Headset side a good competitor but the devs hadnt really switched to pico

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

@@leongamin3834 i actually cover this in my newest video, but because of the recent cancellation of the pico 5 I decided it wasn’t worth it to mention in this video.

Lets hope so, competition is good for everyone.

An eye tracking system still needs its own optics which is why the rise of flat, thin metalenses makes this the perfect time for eye tracking systems to take over the VR market, because metalenses will allow these systems to be significantly more compact, and possibly cheaper too depending on how expensive it is to produce a full wafer of metalenses vs as many individual infra red lenses.

UNDERRATED!

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

THANK YOU :)

All I want it a vr headset that allows me to play pc vr exclusives and vr mods for games without needing the latest rtx graphics card.

@beepimajeep9787

3 ай бұрын

They are pc builds you can put together that are pretty decent at vr, but a standalone vr headset to play pc vr exclusives does not exist.

Im so tempted to just buy the quest 3 buuuuut i can wait out January if its released on the exact 5 years after index im gonna break my table.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Ahaha tell me about it 😆 I just bought the index so if the deckard comes out soon I’ll be upset too!

@Icequake.

5 ай бұрын

@@Kadvler you can always sell it

One thing that I’m really excited about when it comes to a standalone valve headset is the idea of a premium standalone. Quest seems to always have been held back my meta trying to keep the cost low to bring in new people so a premium alternative is really exciting.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Having a truely premium standalone headset from valve would be awesome. That’s why I’m quite upset they cancelled the project “Vader” headset.

@leongamin3834

5 ай бұрын

What about the Quest pro? Also the Quest 3 offers a very good Price performance ratio

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

@@leongamin3834 once again, as per my previous comment, I cover all the headsets i deem are worth it from “budget” to “enthusiast” and you’ll see my thoughts on the Quest Pro :)

Well, the index isn't the one to do it. If they want to compete over meta they need: - Their headset to work more like how the quest does, wireless option, no base stations (or at least an inside out optional headset as an alternative) like quest has. - Their price has to be competitive with meta; sorry but $1500 for valve Index is not happening for me- especially when the meta 3 tbh is better in the fields that matter for less than half the cost. -Put out more high quality games that utilize steam in some way (Workshop mod support, etc). Right now there is Half Life Alyx and a portal lab demo; but the VR's biggest weakness is that it's gmae library is rather weak. I would rather buy a headset from Valve, but the quest 3 met more of my needs and for cheaper. I can also take it to my father's and friends who don't have a headset; and introduce them to VR.

i clicked on the video to see if there was any confusion because I saw that and was like "why is there a Vive XR Elite if hes talking about Valve?" 😂 But i see you were using that because the deckard doesnt really have a confimed image

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I was pretty lost on what to put in the thumbnail as there is nothing confirmed but there was reasoning behind it! Valve have collaborated a lot of with Vive in the past and the way modern VR headsets are going I think it’ll look something like the XR elite or big screen beyond. Also, love your content man. happy to see checking out my channel :)

Steam link for quest means people can buy games on steam which is obviously the biggest way that valve makes money so don’t necessarily need to explain it beyond that

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

If there was no other VR updates alongside the steam link I’d be inclined to agree with you but with the patents, frequent updates of steamVR, eye tracking being coded in the steamVR files AND the steam link? Who knows though I could be wrong! Let’s wait and see what valve does, a bit of competitions good for everyone :)

I don't need standalone, I just want inside out tracking and battery. Like it needs its own pc inside to connect to my pc, but nothing extra. I just want an inside out tracked, High FOV, middle road ppi, oled, and 120hz. Make it heavy, I don't care. Make it large, I don't care. Make it ugly, I don't care. Have poor contrast, I don't care. I just hate how rn even in a quest 3 I feel like I am in a trap bubble.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

This is a big concern from a lot of people including myself! About the lack of competition. A lot of people disregard the need for it and just say “well meta are doing a good job now so it’s fine” But what happens when they get complacent or just imagine how much MORE innovation we could have with more high end companies joining VR? That’s what I’m talking about in my newest video im making right now and I can’t wait to share it.

don’t stop making videos gang❤

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Thank you man, I appreciate it!

Thank you for the copium. I saw someone who claimed to have someone inside Valve say to keep an eye on March.

I think the Deckard will probably be amazing but I also doubt it will compete with quest just because of the price. I don't see valve filling a headset with cutting edge tech then subsidizing it to compete with quest but I hope I'm wrong and I hope that's exactly what they do.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Well let’s see! This year is stacked with high end MR headsets coming out it would be nice to have a budget competitor with Meta as well. But who knows, we’ll have to wait and see.

I bought the q3 on release. I would buy a valve standalone on pre-order.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Same here :)

I agree something is coming, it will be better than Quest 3 but will probably not justify the upgrade for those who have already bought it. I also think Dynamic Foveated Rendering is way overrated. It is better than none but while sensors get cheap and good enough the headset manufacturers are better off spending that money on better lenses and a good processor, and do some fixed Foveated Rendering in the middle of the frame and be done with it. I remind you that fixed foveated rendering is used daily by 4 billion people, and none has ever complained : glass wearers.

@user-ke2up6mr8t

5 ай бұрын

no chance it is better than the quest 3. Look at the valve index. It's only better than the quest 1 by costing 2x as much. Oculus has really good tracking at high speed movements (better than steamvr), really good inside out tracking in general, and much better lenses. The index only had things that were unnecessary on a standalone headset (good audio, displayport, high FOV) which made it good. Meta is just too far ahead now. Pico is the only one putting out anything remotely competitive to the quest products and they are really just cloning everything meta does.

@jango71

5 ай бұрын

@@user-ke2up6mr8t I do not know that, technology progresses very fast and they will be able soon to add a better processor and increase the resolution and technology of the display. I agree the Quest 3 is very good, the lenses are fantastic, but technology is at the reach of anybody willing to spend enough in development and/or recurring costs, that will affect the price. Being the Quest 3 very good, the HP Reverb had also very good inside-out tracking. I have fully replaced the latter by the Quest 3, but I also accept that a better headset can come soon although probably not at the same price point.

@user-ke2up6mr8t

5 ай бұрын

HP Reverb has both horrible controller tracking and the head tracking has latency due to WMR not warping the images to match the current head position. WMR has problems with tracking and christmas lights which ocoulus solved many years ago. HP Reverb also had bad lenses.There was a test from realovirtual and the HP Reverb had a smaller FOV than the entire sweet spot of the quest 2 when using the stock interface. PSVR2 is objectively not a good headset either with last generation resolution, bad lenses, etc. but they included some features like HDR, haptics in controllers, and hte dualsense triggers. Oculus/Meta released 5 headsets in the time that valve has only released 1 headset.@@jango71

@jango71

5 ай бұрын

@@user-ke2up6mr8t You can find tests demonstrating everything you want and its opposite. I cannot care less, I have both and tracking is as good as on Q3 at least for the headset itself. I would not know why you would need to do very rapid head movements apart from getting a headache. Normally fast movements are perfect on HP Reverb. I do think Quest 3 is phenomenal for its price but it can be improved, and if Valve really wants to do it they can. The Quest Pro was a blunder so Meta can f** up too and Valve can catch up if they really want to get their place back. Apple had no experience whatsoever on VR and they will produce a very good headset, although at a ridiculous price. It is just a matter of spending enough. Anything can happen.

@user-ke2up6mr8t

5 ай бұрын

no it's not. WMR tracking is not remotely the same. Just play eleven table tennis. It does not play remotely realistic over WMR. But it plays so good on the quest, even using the "high latency" oculus link. Oculus has a tech called phase sync which WMR does not use.z the point about head tracking latency is the fact that wmr does not do a basic quality of life feature. Oculus physically warps the image to match the current head position. You can easily notice even when not moving fast that your head movement is not stable. Tracking quality on the quest playing eleven table tennis is very consistent. You get the same results every time when it comes to velocity. Gives you a predictable and realistic play. Also swinging at very high speeds the tracking is positionally very good because the developer of eleven table tennis did tests and reported his findings to oculus which caused them to improve their motion extrapolation. The same developer has talked to steamvr and wmr and they don't care to make improvements. They ignore his emails.@@jango71

Can you do office work by having the VR screens with your laptop?

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Yes you can! This is one of the main selling points of the Apple Vision Pro actually :) I’m making a video about them next’

People really like the quest and wireless headsets but for the bottom line is, if I can't run everything on a wireless headset that I can on a wired headset, I'm not gonna want it. The best case scenario for me would be everything the BIGSCREEN Beyond has but with better lenses, and face and eye tracking (Passthrough is nice but I'd rather be more immersed in the VR world than outside if there was only a choice of one or the other. This is also just for the headset, not even getting into full-body tracking. I would love for the headset to be wireless but If it causes some game or features to be unplayable then forget it. And after all the advances, whatever chart spreads out in wherever which direction, the single most furthest end point is Full dive VR. I just hope some company out there is also doing research into the brain (like elon).

Give me a Quest 3 with a display port, Index earphones and make it a little more comfy. That is all we need.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Someone needs to make this so they can take my money!

the quest 2 and 3 already has foveated rendering. without even using eye tracking you still dont notice it unless you purposefully look at the edges of the screen

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Yeah you’re technically right. They used fixed foveated rendering where resolution scales down as you go towards the edges. With eye tracking we can get true foveated rending which is not about visual fidelity but increased performance. That allows for either an increase in fps or for you to bump the resolution up if that’s an option.

Also, there is no way Valves new hmd would be less than $750.

The deckard is not made to kill the quest. The quest is not made to kill the deckard/index. People not willing to spend as much money on vr will buy the quest. People looking for something better and willing to spend more money will buy the deckard. Index/deckard and quest are made with completely different people in mind. We still know nothing about the deckard past those leaks/datamines.

Great vid man. I certainly hope this is valves plan. I can't wait to find out over the next few years. I would be all in for a more affordable VR headset from valve. 👍

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Thank you man, as my first video I’m so happy with how it’s turned out! A more affordable valve headset with some cutting edge features would be a great change for VR. Maybe we could get some more PCVR exclusives!

@leongamin3834

5 ай бұрын

But if it should be affordable arent we then at the exact problem the quest 2 had?

unless its way more than a grand them I'm probably gonna buy it

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Even if it’s more than a grand I’ll find a way 😆

The amount of cope that I've gone through over the Valve Deckard is quite embarrassing - but if it really does release, it'll be my dream platform to ship on!

I love the idea of competing companies that’s what drives innovation but prices have to match and make sense to the everyday consumer otherwise they just get bogged down can you remember the jaguar consoles? The graphics were on par with the Xbox 360 it came out at the same time as PlayStation one the difference was the price it was to expensive and failed it wasn’t £3500 tho hay apple take note 😮

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

You know I’ve never heard of jaguar consoles! Who where they developed by? I also agree with the price needing to be right. To be fair with apple the headset they’re releasing is top of the line but you’re also definitely paying for the brand.

@alex8stevens

5 ай бұрын

It was Atari 64bit and had an aliens game in the games that you could get reasons to by lol but at the time over pricing kinda killed it was more expensive that ps1 Same thing with oculus and apple only real problems with the quest is to many kids playing games that aren’t made for kids

knowing valve time, I predict 3 - 6 years

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Wow… you think it’ll come that quick?!

You made a small mistake at 0:35 :) According to those numbers, its 20% of steam users who own a vr headset that have a valve index, but you said it was 20% of all steam users who owned a valve index

1. wireless is useless if the battery life is 2h. 2. @3:10 Playstation VR2 has eye tracking and foviated rendering in a consumer product.

@Kadvler

4 ай бұрын

You can always get bigger additional batteries mate :) PSVR2 isn’t a wireless headset and therefore is not really a contender with meta. But I can’t wait for more enthusiast headsets to come out! Will finally get true foveated rendering rather than fixed, it’s going to be a great boost!

Cant wait for deckard in 2035

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Don’t you mean the teaser trailer in 2035?

Index requires lighthouses. Total non-starter in 2023.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Depends on the customer IMO. I’ve used both inside out tracking and lighthouse tracking. I much prefer the lighthouse as its tracking is a lot better especially in blind spots like behind your back for example, very useful in fast paced games. But of course, if you don’t want to spend the extra money, don’t mind worse tracking or you just like to play on the go and don’t want to worry about what room you want to play you’ll want to go with an inside out. Like always, depends on the customer :) PS: The bigscreen beyond uses lighthouses and that’s done great.

Obsoletely right!

Companies “spam” patents all the time, to cover their arses against competition. Patents are like ideas. You need em to actually create something, yet their value is next to nothing without an actual “thing” materializing outta em.. but we can hope!

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s why I mentioned at the end that Valve could in the end just bin the deckard despite all the leaks and patents ahah. Who knows!

if its wireless without any possibility for displayport connection, they can keep it. wireless is nice, but iam not taking that over having compression artefacts

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Well if it’s like most other modern wireless headsets then you’d certainly expect it to be an option right?

@leongamin3834

5 ай бұрын

Actually the quality depends on your Router. If you stream with an 6e 800bits Router as an high end example there are no artefacts. Also technically with a cable you also have artefacts

@dharkbizkit

5 ай бұрын

well, i tried the quest 3 with link cable on 940mbit and tested skyrim on there in forest regions and it was like a 1080p youtube video with compression and artefacts. foliage, gras, branches and leafs, fine details is a real nightmare for compression and fast movements. i never had that on the index or the ps5vr2@@leongamin3834

@natsu78999

5 ай бұрын

​​​@@leongamin3834very true,even with 780mbps,i cant spot any of artifacts,but now i use av1 n wifi 6,but input lag is still the main problem 40-70ms is very noticeable on fast pace games

What’s the space ship game called???

It is too bad the Pico 4 didn't release worldwide. It is better than the Q2 and on par with the Q3, and even more comfortable than the Q2, Q3, Index, Vive line etc. I still can't wait for the Valve "deckard"

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

My next video is actually about this, comparing all of the headsets. But yeah massive shame it’s not in North America :)

Well… I can play pc vr games on my quest 3 wireless also?

@IQuickscopeCA

3 ай бұрын

shit controllers, mid hmd though. brilliant mid range option, but even compared to the current index its eh.

Valve had market dominance for a couple of years before quest released though 🤣

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Yes and hopefully they can get it back!

@ThepurposeofTime

6 ай бұрын

@@Kadvler yeah because that would mean better hardware out there for a good price. We need as much competition as possible so that they make sure their platforms stay at their peek. If ANY one of them dominate for too long it's not good

I really would like to get onto VR but I am just not prepared to buy into the meta/Facebook ecosystem

Wireless wow, haven't seen that anywhere before, except Virtual Desktop, Air Link and Steam Link 🤡🤡🤡

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

A Valve Deckard with a wireless connection to steamVR via steam link would be amazing wouldn’t it :0. Wouldn’t have to mess around with an extra layer of software.

11 subs only? Let me fix that

@liamguillemette6070

6 ай бұрын

XD

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Thank you :)

I hope it'll be affordable.

Problem is VR doesn't need new hardware right now, the Quest 3 is a pretty phenomenal standalone headset with decent visuals and game scope. Sure it can't do big, open worlds like Skyrim and doesn't have PCVR classics like Alyx or Vertigo 2 but it does a lot for a good price and you can plug it in to make it a very competitive PCVR headset. What VR needs right now (especially PCVR) is triple A games from recognisable franchises to bring attention to VR. And they need to have enough content to keep players in for more than 5 hours. There's some but they aren't coming out regularly enough to keep a lot of VR players going and there's definitely not enough to bring in non-VR gamers. We need our Bioshocks/Metro/Far Cry/ Cyberpunk 2077 - big, well made, triple A games that both PCVR players and non VR players hear about and want to get into/back into VR for. Alyx did that but Valve have released nothing since, we need more than 1 game for a VR headset. Can you imagine Sony or Xbox launching with 1x 1st party game in 4 years? PCVR is being kept alive by mods atm, they're awesome but they won't pull in new people. I just hope Apple/Samsung/Google launching headsets will encourage big developers to start porting some classics into VR to get the ball rolling again.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

I completely agree with this entire message. It’s actually pretty cool how I’m reading this as I’m writing a script for a video where this is a key element. You’re on the money. VR is in a catch 22 right now. We need more players so studios come in make more games. But we need more games to bring in more players. But 2024 is going to be an exciting year 👀 can’t wait for this next video to launch.

@tommyliminus499

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely! we need a big, well known games company with some recognisable IPs to lead the charge on VR and bring in the loads of people who think it is cool but just not ready yet or there's not that one system seller game you know? You'd think Meta would have prioritised ports of older games more - they only really had Resident Evil 4, San Andreas was a great idea but I doubt it's still alive. I'm surprised they haven't just thrown money at companies like 4A Games to port tje original Metro or something. The older, PS3 era games should be do-able on standalone. Especially atmospheric, linear games rather than huge open world ones. Bioshock can run on a toaster nowadays! And Resident Evil 4 Remake works on an IPhone. Equally, Valve could happily pay companies to make a PCVR port of the most requested games, you can hire talented VR porting teams so it doesn't even have to affect their output of newer games etc. Seems like a real missed opportunity to me. Porting say 10 univesally loved, classic games that make too much sense in VR would instantly change the gaming landscape and Valve has the money and the storefront/influence. Or better yet Valve could make new, VR focused games on a timeframe that normal companies have to work to, a game a decade only works because they're a storefront now not a developer which is a real shame as they have such great hardware and software talent. Looking forward to your vifeo, I'll give you a sub I'm interested to hear what you've got to say.

but when ?

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Well that’s the thing, we don’t know yet! But I’ll be sure to cover it as soon as the info is announced :)

Just close your eyes lol

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Yeah ahaha, maybe if we close our eyes we’ll get the deckers sooner.

you know that the psvr2 has foviated rendering right?

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Yes of course, it’s just that the psvr is a non-contender with Meta. If you want a wireless VR headset you wouldn’t go for the wired, ps4 exclusive headset would you? Meta needs a contender :)

@The_Guy_Who_Asked-

5 ай бұрын

@@Kadvler ahh i see makes sense now

bro this guys is underrated, there are some users who put no work and get more subs than him, click dat sub button for him

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Thank you man :)

how does this guy only have 270 subs?!? greatly underrated, w video.

i really hope this happens because if it does, and it supports Linux, i'd probably sell my Quest 2 and buy this. maybe even buy the Steam Deck at the same time. if they can get it even comparable to a new console, around $500, that'd be absolutely awesome. i'm sick of Meta and Valve are becoming some serious players in the gaming industry, if they can keep innovating like they have with the Steam Deck, i may quit all other console brands altogether, sell my Xbox consoles and such (3 generations, 360, one x, and series x) and sell my Nintendo Switch and go all Valve. this is seriously promising and i'm really excited for what Valve's future looks like.

I really like ur content and i plan on becoming a content creator myself, would it be possible for me to reach up to you?

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Sure, if you would like :)

Your assumption about why Valve would do something with software is extremely flawed. They are not a hardware company - they are a software company that also makes hardware. They didn't create the Steam Deck because they want to make money off the Steam Deck. They did so because they want to make more money off of their Steam platform. VR is just another means to do that. Growing the markets for mobile PC gaming was the true impetus of Steam Deck, in hopes that they could snag more casual gamers on the way to and from work perhaps, or on long car/train/plane journeys. Likewise Index and Deckard are about growing that VR market. Once the VR market is favorably increasing the use of Steam, that means Index/Deckard has fulfilled its use and no longer necessary as long as users of non Valve headsets can still use Steam somehow.

I don't believe for a second Valve is gonna try to compete with Meta. The index was a high end VR headset. I believe Deckard will be too. It wont be no less than a G, and at that price you can kiss mass market adoption goodbye.

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Well, we never know! We’ll see what happens when we get any semblance of a release trailer ahaha.

This is where every one got their information wrong..... The index head set it's self does not cost $1000 it cost's $500.... The hole kit it's self cost's $1000 But to be more specifically $1072.93 Cause of tax. The index was devised into 3 separate pieces for cost deficiency. 1. Headset 2. Knuck's 3. Base Station's or 4 the hole kit. It was devised this way cause you can afford it at a lesser price. So if you can't afford to buy it all at once You can at least buy them separately. Valve's not greedy.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Valve are not greedy they price their products for what they are worth, although I wouldn’t say an index kit isn’t worth 1000 dollars anymore. Another thing is, in order to actually use the index you need all the accessories like the base stations and controllers so 99% of people would be spending 1000 pounds for the index.

@Theofficialkingwillex

5 ай бұрын

@@Kadvler Sorry I read threw my message 3 time's not once did I say they were greedy. O_O Also they wouldn't need to spend 1000 for the index. They could as I said Go the cheaper rout and pay for it individually.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

@@Theofficialkingwillex Yeah I was agreeing with you saying that Valve are not greedy ahaha. They could pay for all the parts indivually true but its still going to cost £459 (for the headset) + 278 (2 base stations) and + £259 (for the controllers) and its still going to come out at £996 on the steam store. I use an index myself personally and think its awesome anyhow :0

@Theofficialkingwillex

5 ай бұрын

@@Kadvler Couldn't agree more. But since I needed a replacement head set do to outages causing surges threw my computer my head set became faulty and Valve support on twitter had me run series of trouble shoot's threw the head set till my warrantee expired. Sadly I can't go into VR any more so I'm currently waiting till i get my Steam deck Olid and Waiting for the Index 2 to be fully published to try IT out.

@SINfromPL

4 ай бұрын

Wow you're actually insane

Looking forward to Deckard. But PSVR 2 already uses eye tracking and foviated rendering, games like synapse use it really well, so that nothing i'm too exited about. But I believe the Deckard will be capable of playing steam VR games natively, like the the steam deck. Thats what i'm exited about.

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

I’m excited for eye tracking on a deckard because, in the standalone industry, it’ll offer a competitor to Meta with some compelling new features. So hopefully we can get more games that use eye tracking across all of VR instead of just PSVR. Yes, playing steam games natively is going to be a blast! Games like half life alyx with no cables will be amazing.

@GameJunky513

6 ай бұрын

​@Kadvler you can already play HLA with no cables though. Quest via air link or Steam link..

@usuqa9172

5 ай бұрын

Steam link for ps5 would be great, or get the psvr2 working on PC. Fovated rendering on the hdr screen is amazing, games use it to know when you blink, no man sky got a major boost in graphics (like a pc with 3080 now).

@GameJunky513

5 ай бұрын

@usuqa9172 Meh foveated rendering is useful for under powered systems. I would never use that willing playing pcvr. I like my image crisp and clear from edge to edge.

@usuqa9172

5 ай бұрын

@thepassionategamer9460 it looks pretty clear edge to edge while playing particuarly in gt7. If you look hard enough in no mans sky you can notice it outside your main vision, you can notice it in the PSVR2 TV output or stream clearly though.

Well eye tracking with foveated rendering is already available : they call it psvr2 😊

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Yes it is! And I think that’s awesome, I just hope it comes to the pcvr/standalone industry because whilst Sony are making good headsets they are PlayStation only so if you don’t have one then youre most likely not going to buy one. And competition is great for everyone!

@FractalXX

6 ай бұрын

Also with the Quest Pro and Steam Link. Well, it is technically foveated encoding not rendering, but it's the thing that allows it to run really well (at least for me). If Valve created a standalone headset from the research they've done with Steam Link, it would be a huge success.

Vaule cost way too much to for it to be number 1 tbh. Quest will be number after quest 2 dies out

Although all the games and bar and movie theater stuff is neat and cool they really need to jump on the DO REAL WORK with VR. Common VR programmers! CNC 3D fab creators who design and test metal parts need you to get with VR programmers asap. Either that or I will just think META as a pure gaming company instead.

the stifling of innovation? zuckbot probably cares the most about VR by far constantly funding companies to make games and making a massive loss on it because PCVR is practically dead as nobody buys games on it so making a PCVR game is flushing down money increased prices of headsets? the quests are by far the most affordable headsets especially for the quality you get I'm not sucking zuck's toes but those are wildly incorrect claims

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

No matter how motivated a single individual is. When monopolies form they inherently bring about the stifling of innovation, higher prices and so on. That is why monopolies are bad and there are laws that protect the economy against them. Also, saying pcvr is dead is horribly inaccurate but hey, that’s my 2 cents :)

@bird9188

5 ай бұрын

@@Kadvler pcvr is definitely not doing great, much fewer games release and it's been shown that sadly they sell significantly worse. Also, it's definitely not being stifled in this case, many other headsets exist pushing things to incredible lengths like bigscreen or the pimax, even meta themselves is making new shit and trying to innovate on their own

@leongamin3834

5 ай бұрын

​@@KadvlerIf we look on the market we see that the quest has the by far biggest playerbase and that meta owns a ton shit of studios. Also meta invest in AAA games which will grow the playerbase. For the devs it's more Lucrative to develop games where the Player are so we can say that PCVR will die out if we compare ist with the new titles on the quest platform

underrated af

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Thank you man, I worked hard on all of my videos 🙏

20% of all steam users do not own a index, its 20% of people that use SteamVR

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Ah yes, I forgot to add In “VR” yeah only about 2% of steam users own a VR I’m pretty sure.

@TheEndOfTime

6 ай бұрын

@@Kadvler good video though

@kadenwarne3476

6 ай бұрын

@@TheEndOfTime thanks man, I tried my best!

@MenaceVr.

6 ай бұрын

@Kadewarne3476 what?!?

@leongamin3834

5 ай бұрын

Also if we would compare all vr owner the 20% would probably fall because I am sure most quest user dont use pcvr

Sad that it's gonna be standalone

I'm looking forward to the Deckard and I hope that it does well, but thinking that it's going to bring Valve anywhere close to a "takeover" of the VR industry is just wishful thinking. If you were talking strictly about PCVR, then sure, Valve could quite easily dominate with the Deckard. But if you're looking at the entire VR industry as a whole, then there's almost no chance right now. Meta is just too big at this point. Steam hardware statistics can only tell us so much as it doesn't account for all the people using their Quest for standalone VR only without ever touching PCVR (and I'm willing to bet that applies to a majority of Quest users).

@Viesta

5 ай бұрын

you underestimate how much people dislike meta...

@intermsofreality

5 ай бұрын

And I think you're underestimating how many people are already under Meta's umbrella. There are tons of people who dislike big tech corporations like Microsoft and Apple for example (myself included), but that hasn't stopped them from dominating their respective markets. Peoples' emotions aren't indictive of actual results.@@Viesta

If deckard is the Valve Prism. Well uh.. sorry to tell you but it’s fake. Unless deckard is a different headset.

HOW DO YOU HAVE LITERALLY 50 SUBS

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Thanks to you I now have 51 ;) thank you for the support too, I’m trying to make my videos as high quality as I can, I put a lot of work into my newest one and I think it’s better in every aspect.

the LAST thing i want is another bloatware headset. talking amongst PCVR users here, im sure i speak for everyone if i say that shit we never going to use that unnecessarily bloats the price, like inside out tracking, pass through, standalone, yada yada, etc. is the last thing a PCVR user needs. i don't want a "Quest killer" or a glorified google cardboard! i want a valve index 2.0! none of that casual gimmicky crap

COPIUMMMMMMM YASSSSSS

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

YESSS COPEEEEE

Meta/Oculus sucks. I am glad Valve is making another VR headset

My PSVR2 uses eye tracking lool

@Kadvler

6 ай бұрын

Yes and that’s awesome! Just need something in the standalone space that doesn’t cost $1000 :)

When you say 'Killer' Anything you know that 100% of the time it will Fail.

Sorry, but it's more likely that SteamLink is a portent Valve bowing out of the competition and passing over the reins to PCVR to Meta. They aren't even the market leader and are in the minority on their own platform/ecosystem. Deckard may or may not come. Prototypes get quietly cancelled all the time, remember how leaked prototype specs for Pico 5 indicated it was supposed to kill Pimaxes and Quest 3 only to get axed? The fact that Valve filed some patents and have some prototypes floating around doesn't mean it'll turn into a product.

@SaHaRaSquad

6 ай бұрын

Valve has a decade experience in VR and is in a rare position where they can control the entire stack from hardware to game distribution, something nobody else in the PC market can do beside Apple, and the Steam Deck shows how much it pays off for them to first establish software (like SteamLink) and then releasing hardware that's usable with it from day one. No, it would be stupid for Valve to give up at this point, they're in a better position for it now than ever before. If they can pull off a device with current tech that directly integrates with the Steam library it would be massive. "are in the minority on their own platform/ecosystem" - what are you talking about? They're in second place with a single 4 year old device and pretty much 100% of PCVR users run Steam.

@TheKain202

6 ай бұрын

@@SaHaRaSquad >what are you talking about? Index represents about 20% of SteamVR hardware according to the most recent surveys. with an absolutely massive lead belonging to Quest 2 covering almost half the PCVR marketshare and the remaining 30% spread out in between the HTC's, Pico's, Pimaxes, old Oculus branded hardware etc. And that's exactly where the problem lies. Their market share is too small for that. They can't implement truly innovative technologies, because nobody but Valve themselves are gonna use them, not when 80% of user hardware don't have that on board. For example, how many games used Indexes capacitive finger tracking? Three? And at that point, what's the point of producing hardware for sake of an uphill struggle against the market leader. SteamDeck was different because it was essentially the first mass market Portable Gaming PC to hit the road and it gobbled up the market share, and it's the other guys like ASUS and Lenovo playing catch up and trying to get a slice of the pie for themselves. Meanwhile, on the PCVR side of things, they have Meta owning half the market share and representing a hardware standard and that's gonna be impossible to overcome in two hardware generations, much less one. And you don't do that by inducting your largest competitor into your ecosystem - Quest clunky integration into PCVR was working to Valve's advantage and it's self-sabotage to give them official software support. It's a gut feeling, but my gut tells me that SteamLink becoming a thing is a sign of them bowing out of the hardware space and leaving it to Meta.

@SaHaRaSquad

6 ай бұрын

@@TheKain202 Valve is at 20% because they only have one headset that's far more expensive than Meta's devices. On top Meta's devices are independent of PC hardware which makes them more appealing to people without gaming PCs. Valve can absolutely compete with that if they like. And why wouldn't they, the real VR race hasn't even begun yet.

Steam Link makes a lot of sense for Valve to make, Deckard or not. The majority of VR hardware out there are Quests. The only linkage that Steam has to stay relevant to all those Quest users is either a) abandonware made by Meta and b) 3rd party software made by some guy on the internet. Meta would like nothing better than for this linkage to be severed and for PCVR to die, leaving Quest as the only platform. So consider just how vulnerable the industry was if the author of Virtual Desktop got hit by a bus. We would likely see Meta kill Airlink shortly after. Oops. Sorry Valve. Guess all those users will have to buy their games from the Meta store only. The threat of _that_ is why Valve needed to make Steam Link.

@TheKain202

6 ай бұрын

That's naive and fear mongering. If SteamLink interfered in any way with Meta's long term business plans, it simply wouldn't come out. Meta simply wouldn't give Valve an A-Ok to release software on their platform.

@SaHaRaSquad

6 ай бұрын

@@TheKain202 You can sideload apps on those devices, Valve doesn't need to care at all about Meta's plans. Not to mention if Meta would block SteamLink it would piss people off as much as the Facebook account requirement did.

@SargonDragon

6 ай бұрын

@@TheKain202 Meta did, in fact, initially block Virtual Desktop from releasing on their platform. They eventually gave in. With Virtual Desktop already on the market, it would be difficult for Meta to try to justify blocking Steam Link now. And I'm not trying to fear monger. Whatever danger there was has now been abated. I'm just pointing out that Valve appears to be responding to a business risk that existed which most people don't seem to have realized. To be sure, I was stating the worst case scenario for that risk. But lesser versions of that risk were also possible. If anything happened to the stability of Virtual Desktop as a business, Valve would potentially be left with a hostile competitor controlling their only access to Quest customers. Meta wouldn't even have to take Airlink down to do harm. All they'd have to do is let it rot with neglect, which is something they're already doing. The software hasn't even been updated with Meta's newer branding. It is still called "Oculus Rift" software and is buried on their website. It would be easy for Meta to justify cancelling this software entirely, but they wouldn't even have to. Just degrading the PCVR experience on Quest would be enough to do significant damage to their competitor. That's perfectly inline with the tactics that Meta has employed in the past. So whether or not it would ever have really happened, it was astute of Valve to realize that it could and take action to ensure it couldn't.

@imacmill

6 ай бұрын

Holy hell, that was dark.

Valve stoped giving a shit a while ago they just cash grab now tbh.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Just let valve cook… let’s see what they bring 👀

dont hold your breath. vr is ded. steamcharts even show little to negligible growth or negative growth for all headsets. apart from HLA and VRchat what games are there to play? oh wait, there arent any games outside of freeware/junkware wave shooter type games where you stay in 1 spot for 8 hours a day. hope that was worth the price of the headset because there literally is nothing else to do. and to sit here and think that a VR headset that isnt even announced is just going to spring up out of nowhere and take the whole market by storm is a pipedream at best. they would literally need a Left 4 Dead VR game at launch to.... wait a sec.... Left 4 Dead is on the table? huh.... i um. PIPEDREAM

average user wont buy $1200 vr headset 😅

the copium is real

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

Maybe so, but we’ve gotta have a little hope in our lives right?😆

@ryrypk

5 ай бұрын

@@Kadvler The only thing I yearn for in life anymore is Deckard. Deckard is love, Deckard is life.

@Kadvler

5 ай бұрын

I wish I could pin a comment of a comment… Deckard could hold my family hostage and I’d still love it. Maybe I’ve got Stockholm syndrome…

Come on. Quest 3 is being sold at a lost. Looking forward to Valve but Quest 3 is cheap and fantastic for what it is.

@SaHaRaSquad

6 ай бұрын

Valve can sell theirs at a loss too (just like with the Steam Deck) and with foveated rendering and the native Steam integration they'd have an advantage. And they don't necessarily need to beat Meta's sales numbers.

@lurraskea

6 ай бұрын

Like I sad looking forward to Valve. Still Quest 3 is cheap and fantastic, advanced a lot and is making VR mainstream. Most important is real today.@@SaHaRaSquad

@GameJunky513

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, Valve has no intentions of competing with Meta. The Deckard will be no less than a G. And let's be real, pcvr is dead, it's nothing but shovelware on steam with the exception of HLA and a couple more. And devs flock to the Quest because it has the playerbase.

@akosv96

4 ай бұрын

I am willing to pay more to an open alternative to that spyware goggle

Sony is better