I feel like in black community, we make too many excuses for people who do the wrong thing.

@Wyndamn

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, sad but unfortunately true.

@shamiramonique_

Жыл бұрын

I feel like Kelsey should be punished for firing too.. what do you guys think?

@Wyndamn

Жыл бұрын

@@shamiramonique_ can they prove it in court ???

@dionjohnson1713

Жыл бұрын

Except kelsey let's just ignore the evidence against her😂😂

@TheRealMrSuperstar08

Жыл бұрын

@@shamiramonique_ there not much go off that outside GSR and one witness who isn’t that credible. If Meg said she shot her than yeah it up for trial but nothing really points to Kelsey as a shooter.

*love how this legion of men who barely finished high school are now experts on the federal rules of evidence and criminal procedure*

@datruth1974

Жыл бұрын

Precisely

@drakecomegetthiscake

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Numbers-mc2ks

Жыл бұрын

Like high school teaches you something 🤣

@CYeoung

Жыл бұрын

@@Numbers-mc2ks the point you

@MsSummerofchange

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Were ranting and raving for days like they were experts on the case and didn’t even bother to look up what the charges were 😂😂😂. Getting all their info from IG blogs and TikTok’s

Tory failed himself by firing that gun 😂

@jerrylewis788

Жыл бұрын

But it wasn't him that fired it tho

@Darksaige

Жыл бұрын

His DNA is NOWHERE on the gun. Proven by his lawyers doctor that examined and by Meg doctor who examined it.

@CyberDyneSystems77

Жыл бұрын

@@Darksaige It wasn't on the magazine but on the gun it was inconclusive. That evidence is neutral, not in Tory's favor

@ALDA2479

Жыл бұрын

@Jerry Lewis Exactly that trigger was pulled accidentally as someone was trying to wrestle it away making it fire at the ground and striking Meg nobody ever think maybe 2 friends teamed up against him once they kissed and made up after fuckin the same nigga Gunna a snitch 2 weeks later Tory a pos because he didn't snitch only in are culture can u not win for losing this case go deeper then this the nigga ain't shooting at no bitch feet tellin em to dance come on how many movies we seen that scene in

@Darksaige

Жыл бұрын

@@CyberDyneSystems77 I don't argue that point at all. I was just looking at the fact nothing definitive was found by yet he was found guilty after all of the fumbles by the plaintiff.

Before I even listen to this whole thing let’s be clear, Tory failed Tory. That simple. But proceed…

@Sapphire305

11 ай бұрын

Actually the system failed Tory. The witness stated that Kelsey fire the gun during a fight, had gun shot residue on her hands, was granted immunity so she could confess but wasn’t granted the correct immunity to fully protect her, Kept pleading the 5th & had motive. The reason her & Meg lied about the fight is because it lead to her firing the gun. There was a massive amount of reasonable doubt and he should have never been found guilty.

Men have to stop caping for Tory Lanez. There’s a lot of truly innocent brothers out here and we’re worried about a man that is reckless and put himself in a bad situation.

@vissysoundkiller

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. He did something STUPID and now he has to pay for it. CONSEQUENCES

@AP.lovetoAll

Жыл бұрын

So why’d you say MEN?? MANYYYYY WOMEN feel the same way‼️ You seem very much JUST ABOUT GENDER BIAS which is DISGUSTING ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

@freewifi7163

Жыл бұрын

@@vissysoundkiller 22 years is just simply dumb? Especially when he may not be the only shooter?

@BroadwayBlack1028

Жыл бұрын

They charge him for the gun not shooting meg

@alexgavin1563

Жыл бұрын

He didn’t do it so he needs our support

Threat = Assault, Actual violence = Battery

@NurseKaraB

Жыл бұрын

👀

Tory Lames lawyer didn't fail him, he was just guilty asf

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

No he was innocent

@alien-hs1zn

Жыл бұрын

Exactly they want lawyers to do miracles but the facts are the facts he thought he would get off like oj the thing is oj ass wasn’t on social media or making songs antagonizing his victim his victim was dead plus tony yayo said if you have victim who gets on the stand and points at you as the shooter your cooked your not winning that Tory dumb ass should’ve just took the plea deal but no now it’s looking like he’ll be doing 15 and will be facing deportation the immigration officials already contacted his lawyers and told them he’s risking of getting deported

@ivysmith2794

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliG17C innocent like OJ Simpson, that's why he'll he thrown into jail for a decade or more.

@ivysmith2794

Жыл бұрын

@@alien-hs1zn EXACTLY. His arrogance caused him not to take the plea deal, he thought he could have paid off Kelsey and the eye witness but the jurors saw right threw it and found his wicked ahz guilty asf!!

@alien-hs1zn

Жыл бұрын

@@ivysmith2794 factssss he got to cocky he’s low key a sociopath he’s was literally antagonizing that woman but then apologized to her on text telling her he loved her nigga is crazy he at where he needs to be

So no mention of the jail tape? Why do we listen to these clowns for news? We know more than them.

@serenapolk4379

Жыл бұрын

They know that's the sick part about it all THEY FCKNG KNOW but These are people who always think they right and will NEVER ADMIT THAT THEY WERE WRONG

@crowing3886

Жыл бұрын

This is recorded before

@AP.lovetoAll

Жыл бұрын

THE NEIGHBOR, Kelly CLEARLY LIED‼️ He said 4, 5 shots in the air.. there were only 5 shots in total and he said the females were with it first. His entire recant should be dismissed‼️ Also HOW CAN TORY SHOOT IT WHEN HIS DNA WAS NOT ON THE WEAPON‼️ and “coincidentally” they only checked Tory for DNA as if they had an agenda way before trial started‼️ Let’s use common unbiased sense please‼️

These dudes tryna cope with the fact they defended Tory and shaded Meg for years only to be wrong. The fact that they didn't even know Tory's charges lets you know how little credibility they have with discussing these types of matters. I enjoy the pod for their commentary on Hip-Hop & some of the life dialogues, but there's clearly a misogynistic bias when they discuss matters. Joe should've just applied his general rule of not discussing street issues & ongoing cases cuz he and his team continue to look like sexist clowns on this matter. To be clear I'm a longtime fan of the pod and want them to succeed, because of it's implications for the future of creators, but few know how to sabotage themselves better than Joe Budden.

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

No Tory is innocent

@mbealhighjump

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliG17C Lmao Innocent of all 3 charges? Please list them all and which ones he's innocent of.

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

@@mbealhighjump every single one

@mbealhighjump

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliG17C 🤣🤣🤣

@KingArthurThaRuler

Жыл бұрын

People also shaded Tory

It’s pretty simple , he absolutely did this , and he should have taken a plea deal because the evidence was pretty clear.

@bRenegadez

Жыл бұрын

No he absolutely didn't. Kelsey absolutely did tho

@jgivens637

Жыл бұрын

@@bRenegadez 😂this shit qanon for niggaz I swear god bless you man

@shadesofblu1

Жыл бұрын

He didn't take a plea deal because he would have been deported either way, so he tried his luck. He's just lucky he still has dumb people like joe caping for him hard and viewing him as a martyr

@Wyndamn

Жыл бұрын

@@jgivens637 🤣🤣🤣👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿

@BriscoBands

Жыл бұрын

It clearly wasnt that simple

Bruh these Oldheads so lost in the Sauce lol.

@devonpeterson1769

Жыл бұрын

Not even possible lmaoo ain’t been on earth long enough to critique

@RobGradyVO

Жыл бұрын

@@devonpeterson1769 you're right, thats what the Judges, Jury, and Lawyers were for lmfao.

@nov23gbe

Жыл бұрын

Barber shop talk

Can't really blame the lawyer when the defendant is texting incriminating evidence to the victim and apologizing on a recorded prison phone line. The best thing a lawyer can due in that case is NOT get you the worst case scenario.

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

He didn’t admit to anything regarding shooting her

@adcomedyjokes

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 he didn't directly admit to it but he apologized "This never should've happened and i was drunk" he said it without having to say it directly. It was enough to infer. preponderance of evidence.

@dannysha6458

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 he was overly apologetic and sounded guilty asf on that call to Kelsey…doesn’t matter if he didn’t admit shit or not this case was about reasonable doubt and that call was a very damning piece of evidence against tory

@ytname7005

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 he apologized for something he did not something he said....there is a huge difference. Also, him and his lawyer was painting Meg out to be drunk and incoherent etc...but he admitted he was so drunk he couldn't control his action...he shot her

@user-nn7ct3hk7c

Жыл бұрын

@@ytname7005 wasn’t expecting logic in this comment section

This “manosphere” internet has got a lot of yall fuckin confused 😂😂😂 that man shot her. Just because you want it to be true doesn’t make it true.

@PizzleP

Жыл бұрын

You can't prove that with the evidence we have beyond a reasonable doubt and that's the issue.. everything that you will say is just opinion based and can be rebutted

@jgivens637

Жыл бұрын

@@PizzleP yes you can there are 3 eye witnesses, gun residue on this man . Kelsey’s texts immediately following the incident. To believe he is innocent is to believe that Kelsey somehow lost her complete memory and instead of throwing Torey under the bus while he is attempting to throw her under it, she decides to forget who did the shooting when only 4 people were there lol Expect a witness tampering investigation because Kelsey convenient memory loss feels an awful lot like Torey lanez tampering to keep the nail in the coffin

@PizzleP

Жыл бұрын

@@jgivens637 So if we go with YOUR theory that's to believe that Tory was dating/messing with Kelsey first, then messes with Meg, this gets exposed that night for whatever reason, Tory and Meg argue, Tory shoots Meg and beats Kelsey's ass too and yet and still ironically she just wants to "protect him" over her "best friend" who was shot? The same best friend that according to both of their testimony, they didn't have an altercation that night with each 🤔 yeah, okay 🙄 And someone Tory became some huge multi-millionaire who could afford to pay off multiple people to cooperate and attempt to cover for him, especially Kelsey while his defense is painting the picture that Kelsey is the shooter.. say that shit out loud and tell me how much logical sense that makes on Kelsey's end? Kelsey who's MARRIED now attempting to protect another nigga she used to be smashing and who smashed her "best friend", beat Kelsey up (allegedly) and is trying to put the shooting on her. That's who she recanted for.. Yeah, makes a ton of sense 🙄 By the way, you failed to mention gun residue on Kelsey's hand as well, no one has yet to make that make sense from someone who "didn't" touch or shoot the gun. Not wanting FULL immunity as a "victim" from what happened that night

@geminiaxelrod4592

Жыл бұрын

You better preach! These incels out here masquerading as bloggers got these dudes moving mad!! Black men HATE the idea of "symp", but they keep symping for manosphere clowns who STAY blaming women for their dry d*(ks.

@PizzleP

Жыл бұрын

@@geminiaxelrod4592 🙄

The neighbor never said he shot the gun in the air. He said he shot everywhere. Y’all hearing in the air cause that’s what Akademiks and Milagro told y’all he said but that’s not what was in the transcripts. Even if he shot in the air, what goes up comes down, and those bullets still hit something or someone. Shooting in the air is also illegal.

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

Even Kelsey said Tory shot in the air in her original testimony. Tory did not shoot that girl. The witness said he was shooting in the air everywhere

@crystaldefreitas1481

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 Tory said himself Kelsey didn’t do anything lol. And he never said in the air, he said he was shooting recklessly everywhere.

@veronicaa870

Жыл бұрын

She said he INTENTIONALLY shot her which is a damn lie she played on for sympathy

@MizzUnderstood313

Жыл бұрын

@@veronicaa870 🪑 🪑🪑🪑 have several seats

@michaeljelks774

Жыл бұрын

🎉

Reasonable doubt is doubt within reason. You can't just throw a bunch of things at the wall and hope it sticks. The opening statements (Tory isn't the shooter) didn't match the closing statements (Okay maybe he did shoot, but that don't mean he hit her). Your story has to be coherent if you're trying to win that case and Tory did not have a strong alibi

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

He’s innocent

@shugarae1

Жыл бұрын

One of smartest comments I've seen on this platform. The doubt the lawyers tried to create wasn't "Reasonable" and didn't cause the Jurors to doubt that Tory was guilty.

@jehrup

Жыл бұрын

You sound stupid., defending someone who didn’t defend himself.!! What innocent man don’t scream to whoever would listen that they innocent and tell what happens when facing 22 yrs!! You telling me your not going to take the stand and tell your part of the story? Stop being stupid.., who going to sit quietly facing 22 yrs if your innocent in court and do say nothing!! Stop it!

@bRenegadez

Жыл бұрын

Kelsey is obviously the shooter, why does everyone ignore this?

@jehrup

Жыл бұрын

@@bRenegadez bro,, ask the dude who going to do the time for her?? Wtf. Lol

I can’t believe I used to watch this podcast faithfully lol

Y’all will come up with anything to defend Tory but it doesn’t matter how many think pieces y’all write, or how many untalented men come to his defense, his ass is locked up! Period… I’m not surprised considering what Joe did to a gf of his that was pregnant with his child.

@ytname7005

Жыл бұрын

What did Joe do?

@shantaalli2865

Жыл бұрын

Shut up. You wasn't there.

@Musa-ut6ce

Жыл бұрын

@@ytname7005 Made her get a miscarriage

@TheYoungReezy87

Жыл бұрын

Triggered 😂

@simplynea333

Жыл бұрын

@@ytname7005 he beat Esther Baxter and made her pregnancy terminate

Torey's lawyer was defending public opinion of "He shot Meg" more than the actual gun related charges... tsk tsk tsk...

I still got a billion questions but at the same time. This shit stupid pulling a blick on someone unarmed wild.

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

Tory ain’t pull a gun

@joshuacharles4403

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliG17C why even bring a strap to a Kylie party...that's on him.

I've never seen a defendant beat a case when the living witness pointed that person out as the individual who shot them. Meg said "nigga you shot me" thats clear and concise for a juror with common sense.

@r.b.r.b.8713

Жыл бұрын

Not talking about tory but if someone lie and say you shot them and u know u didn't but the other person say did and the jury agree do that mean u did it

@Cosmonautchronicles

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if I have bullets in my feet and shells are lying on the ground!

@KeedThaHeater

Жыл бұрын

Lol you heard Yayo say that. Shut up

@alien-hs1zn

Жыл бұрын

Tony yayo said the same thing to said he should’ve just took plea deal and call it day but sense he took to trial he’s looking to getting 15 to 20 years tory fucked himself

@jas1565

Жыл бұрын

@@r.b.r.b.8713 when you have 5 people who witnessed something and 3 of them point to one person.. what other conclusion should the jury have come to? The other two witnesses didn't take the stand.

“I was getting my journalism from bias sources” me too Joe 😂😂😂

@donnywords736

Жыл бұрын

I was getting mines from mialgro bias source lol

@silhouettpolefitness

Жыл бұрын

I knew they were bias because I read the charges so I knew they were lying but boyyyy was it entertaining😹😹😹😹

@rellysunshine9665

Жыл бұрын

Which sources were unbiased? Because they all were biased on both sides

@janeli4616

Жыл бұрын

@@rellysunshine9665 there was journalist there that were reporting.

@rellysunshine9665

Жыл бұрын

@@janeli4616 journalists aren’t biased? Oh you mean like that Nancy Dillon from Rolling Stone? She was very biased.

I love listening to people with no law schooling discuss legal procedure and statutes

@coyoteredd5917

Жыл бұрын

People outside the system not questioning the system lead to nazi Germany

Lol if Tory was trying to “empty” the gun all he had to do was take the mag out and rack the slide. Simple

BOTTOM LINE , IF YOU SHOOT SOMEONE AND YOU KNOW THAT PERSON is GONNA TESTIFY AGAINST you AT TRIAL YOU HAVE to be A DAM FOOL TO GO to TRIAL BECAUSE IT'S a RAP ! TAKE a PLEA Like YESTERDAY !

The min you take that gun and fire it around other individuals, you take whatever comes in the aftermath. I’ll never understand why people get drunk. You have total control over that, unless you’re held down and tortured by someone pouring it into your mouth

What yall think about the leaked audio where Tory incriminated himself? Hope yall got footage discussing that

@joshlawson111

Жыл бұрын

What did he admit to in the audio?

@chrishenri2509

Жыл бұрын

@@joshlawson111 he didn’t have to admit to anything for a reasonable jury to conclude he was clearly apologizing for shooting her lol… take the cape off for the leprechaun bro, he’s guilty

@joshlawson111

Жыл бұрын

@@chrishenri2509 lol my bro I don't even listen to Tory..im just looking at it from a legal point of view. He could have just been apologising for how everything panned out that night. I feel his lawyers really f'd up. There was reasonable doubt

@shugarae1

Жыл бұрын

@@joshlawson111 The doubt wasn't reasonable when lined up against the facts.

@ashtreymanny1593

Жыл бұрын

@@chrishenri2509 ur a gullible idiot. he didn't explicitly apologize for anything. furthermore the even better questions that NOBODY seems to have the answers to is why is Kelsey even on a phone call with the man who allegedly shot her friend and beat her up. Why is Kelsey on the phone willing to bail out the man who allegedly shot her friend and beat her up. and why are you by the next day MEETING WITH the man who allegedly shot your friend and beat you up. and lastly, Why is the man who allegedly shot your friend and beat you up OFFERING TO GET YOU A LAWYER. Ya'll seriously lack critical thinking skills and its sad lmao

Tory's Lawyers blowing the court version of a 3-1 lead in the Finals. Is CRAZY!!!!

@KiiDMaGiiK

Жыл бұрын

He was never in the lead

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

@@KiiDMaGiiK yes he was. He was still leading when the trial ended. The jury was forced to say guilty

@bherbo3943

Жыл бұрын

@@KiiDMaGiiK he was. The Defense poked holes in Megs credibility as a witness and Kelsey switched up on the stand. Had they not overplayed their hand which got Kelsey’s deposition to be played and not put on the worst defense witness in the history of law on the stand they Tory would’ve won the case comfortably. They were so arrogant that they thought they didn’t need the additional witness who was the driver because they didn’t want to wait a week. They really thought they had it in the bag even after all the F up’s on their part. Worst defense team of all time.

@superdupeninja8149

Жыл бұрын

Lawyers can’t change facts

@bherbo3943

Жыл бұрын

@@superdupeninja8149 true. But They didn’t have change facts. Just create reasonable doubt which they did successfully. And we’re in the lead until the second half of the Wednesday. Where they committed Mal Practice the rest of the way lol

Is everyone forgetting the shade room comment where Tory replied to someone that was claiming that Kelsey shot her and then he said “That’s not true” his whole defense was to point the finger at her. He didn’t even bother to sit on the stand to defend himself. If your life is on the line and you’re innocent, sit on the stand. You know who don’t defend themselves, guilty people. Kelsey’s testimony sealed it for him.

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

Kelsey said she lied. She asked for immunity and plead the fifth for a reason. When Tory commented that, no one was charged with assault, he wasn’t trying to see anyone go to jail. It’s also technically true, no one shot meg, it was a ricochet

@BIGSTEVEBMB

Жыл бұрын

Damn he said that in a comment? That’s out of control.

@jas1565

Жыл бұрын

Are people also forgetting when Tory said Meg was never shot? But we're supposed to believe now when he says Kelsey shot Meg.

@bgtheiceberg

Жыл бұрын

They brought that comment up in court and prosecutors had to admit that they never tracked the IP address that that comment came from. It also came out that Tory doesn’t run his IG page so there’s no definitive proof that Tory made that comment

@Rachel_Martin90

Жыл бұрын

@@jas1565 here comes the gaslighting. He never said she wasn’t shot, he made a whole album questioning her integrity. There’s literally audio of the gunshots.

It killed me that this entire episode that did everything but cover the possibility that TORY ACTUALLY SHOT MEG. All their scenarios were basically he didn’t do it but this is why he was found guilty.

@dieu5041

Жыл бұрын

Hell no they won’t, because they don’t believe he did.

Also the charge wasn’t whether it was his gun but rather if he was in possession of an unregistered firearm. Which if we’re following the scenario y’all think happened which is he emptied the clip after Kelsey did then it means he was in possession of the gun which was unregistered. This case was honestly not that complex but people just wanted Megan to be a liar soo bad that you never even considered whether Tory was the liar.

@drakecomegetthiscake

Жыл бұрын

*whether

@carnell5479

Жыл бұрын

Tory can't be liar cuz he never said anything lol, regardless meg and the girl lied no fight we might of bumped, only left the party once, wasn't messing around with dude, immunity

@jas1565

Жыл бұрын

@@carnell5479 he said Meg was never shot. He said Kelsey didn't shoot Meg. Those are two lies that we know of.

@carnell5479

Жыл бұрын

@@jas1565 he questioned it , it was made out like someone pulled a gun out and shot at and into foot, dance b right because Jack Harlow is better lol

@jas1565

Жыл бұрын

@@carnell5479 he didn't question it.. he said she was lying about being shot. And how are you going to question if she was shot then pin it on someone else?

Who in the hell can say the evidence wasn't there, when the woman he shot said he done it?

@bigolbabyhuey

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@shugarae1

Жыл бұрын

💯💯💯 They didn't realize Meg was a WITNESS!

@DM-lj2mn

Жыл бұрын

Facts! If the victim testify in court and says you do it, that’s it lol Only thing a lawyer can do at that point is take the self defense route lol

@JamesWilliams-kt9mx

Жыл бұрын

@@DM-lj2mn Even Stevie Wonder can figure this case out.

Of course if you look at the charges and actually look at proper reports with the evidence from the source you will know he did that shit! Come on. Even if he got off he still did it! They covered the whole thing horribly.

@bobbily6391

Жыл бұрын

You clearly haven’t looked at all the evidence… go look at the pre-trial

@basicimagemarketing6499

Жыл бұрын

Agree. It’s really annoying hearing all these extra grown men with a massive platform not take the time to get the facts before discussing such a huge case.

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

Tory is innocent of all charges

So i guess they didn’t hear that call from jail. And i don’t wanna hear that I’m apologizing for hitting both of yal. I’m sorry.. that’s not the first call I’m making from the cell. That guilt was eating at the Bol.

The eyewitness said he saw 2 woman fighting. Who had more reason to harm Meghan?

They are stupid as hell. you got someone shot, you have the gun, and the person shot remembers who shot them. who doesn't get convicted on this?

This must be before all the evidence came out because it’s obvious he did that shit and the charges absolutely fit. I do agree that he had a trash ass lawyer. That case should have been handled differently. He should have definitely taken a plea deal…what’s really sad is that black men and women hate each other so much we made this case about black men vs black women instead of what it really was. Tory was tripping, he messed up and now he’s going to have to go sit down for a minute because he messed up 🤷🏽‍♀️

@ianrussellallcaps

Жыл бұрын

The only evidence that got revealed was Kelsey Motive to kill Meg and to say Tory fired but to ignore Kelsey making a full effort to go search for a weapon and use a weapon ( even brought other weapons according to the stylist testimony ) against the woman she was fighting is mind blowing. Sean Kelly changed his story multiple times and changed it just enough to help the prosecution after they secretly spoke to him to half hazardly claim he at least out a finger on a wean which to do that you have to acknowledge Kelsey actions and they ignored just to rush a verdict out before Christmas. This trial was not based on facts it was based on feelings.

@mobellescorner9702

Жыл бұрын

@@ianrussellallcaps 🥴…They have audio of him calling Kelsey and apologizing for his behavior that night. He said he knows Meg will probably never speak to him again. He was just so drunk. Kelsey is at the hospital with Meg. So you mean to tell me Kelsey just shot Meg and went to the hospital with her and Tory is apologizing to both of them for his BEHAVIOR THAT NIGHT but Kelsey is the real shooter 🥴. In my opinion the witness mistook Kelsey for Tory or was initially going to lie for the defense like Kelsey but prosecution scared him. His story makes more sense when you hear Kelsey’s full interview. Those people reporting the story wanted us to think Tory was innocent but that wasn’t the full picture of what the jury saw but I’m sure you’ll still be in denial.

@marquettegloves9907

Жыл бұрын

Talkin bout he need to go and sit down for a minute 😂. What you know about doin time in the county or the state. What actually happened has nothin to do with what happens in your case. Court ain't about justice, it's a game 🤦🏿‍♂️. Whether he was trippin or not, he could of got off Ma

@mobellescorner9702

Жыл бұрын

@@marquettegloves9907 you think what he did was okay? 🥴. This is a scary world but okay. I don’t know nothing about no time. I be in the house and that’s where I’ll stay. Y’all weird to me.

@marquettegloves9907

Жыл бұрын

@@mobellescorner9702 I don't know shit about shit. They business is they business. All I'm sayin is justice ain't what court is about Ma. If you'd sat there while a bunch of lawyers and judges twisted the truth about you, then sentenced you to years, and then they jokin in the hallway and planning their next golf outing, you would know that. Good for you stayin in the house, but that ain't for everyone. Also none of my boys hate black women, but if you actin goofy we don't want you 🤷🏿‍♂️

You know you don't have to shoot the gun to empty it. You can just...take the bullets out.

Seems like after all the facts came out. His lawyer played the cards he had.

Even more info has come out since this was recorded. People gonna be trying to do some damage control.

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

You know that jail call has been known about for years right. It don’t prove anything. You just speculating what he apologized for

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

The evidence weak. Free that man

@iceman1821

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliG17C lol he in there getting his ass beat, stop carrying illegal guns wannabe thugs. Go get it licensed and registered.

@godofthisshit

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 More evidence dropped. You got the see what the jury saw.

@Abdullah-vg1uc

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 it hasn't been known for years. Nobody actually heard the phone call. He sounds guilty in the phone call

Tory's atty needed to attack the charges but all he focused on was who was sleeping with who. The neighbor was Tory's witness. Did his atty ever go over what the witness would say on the stand and practice with potential questions the prosecution may ask? $hit show frfr

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

They did speak to the witness and he spoke to prosecutors a day before he testified and said he’s his story to say they were both shooting. There was some shady stuff going on. He also focused on the relationships because that’s what caused Meg and Kelsey to fight and gave her the motive

@violetedge83

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 if the defense prepared their witness properly then the prosecution would not have caused him to change his story. The relationship doesn't refute the charges. The charges were: possession of a concealed, unregistered firearm; negligent discharge of a firearm & assault with a firearm. How does the love triangle answer for these charges? His atty botched the job

@rellysunshine9665

Жыл бұрын

He was giving motive, dummy. Kelsey was pissed that Meg kept “backdooring” her

@violetedge83

Жыл бұрын

@@rellysunshine9665 no need for name calling. He got to do more than establish motive. Does that motive explain away the possession charge? Does motive explain away the charge of negligent discharge of a firearm? It does not and that's where his lawyer failed.

@rellysunshine9665

Жыл бұрын

@@violetedge83 it wasn’t his job to explain away those charges. It was the prosecutions job to prove Tory guilty and they didn’t. It’s doubt written all over that trial. Even the assistant said he saw a weapon packed in the girls bags.

His charges were his. That's that. All his charges were on him.

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

He’d have no charges if he wasn’t lied on and targeted

@RemiLila

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliG17C y'all wouldn't be here defending dude if y'all just didn't hate black women lol

The Cashmere sweatsuit is next level, Joe been going off since the studio change lol

Kelsey literally played it smart and was 10 steps ahead. She texted Justin so it wouldn’t trace back to her and got on that stand and said she didn’t see anything because that’s the truth. She didn’t wanna commit perjury. She didn’t see Tory shooting because she was the one who shot it. She literally said she lied in that entire 80 minute interview and I believe that because Kelsey was smart enough to corroborate with the DA story so she could get that Immunity deal. She was smart asf. But one thing about it and two things for certain what’s done in the dark comes to the light. She can only hide behind this lie for so long. Bits and pieces are gonna start coming out soon enough. Remember I said this. Even if it’s years from now remember I said this.

@bluedalia1114

Жыл бұрын

You are dumb . Tory said kelsey did not shot megan

@BrenaeReads

Жыл бұрын

Period!

@air10_32

Жыл бұрын

Yeap

If I was innocent I'd be screaming from the roof tops,

Wow. This whole discussion is trash 🗑️ It’s not blk men vs. blk women. It’s about right vs. wrong and under no circumstances was it right, okay, acceptable for that woman to be shot. And whether idiots say there was reasonable doubt, not once did Tory declare he didn’t shot that gun. Also, if there is 23 years on the line you should call out who did what. So either he shot or he don’t wanna snitch on Kelsey. Regardless, someone needs to be held accountable. Tory choose jail. 🤷‍♀️✌️

Anyone shooting a gun with no purpose needs to be locked up.

Your lawyer can only fail you if you hire him

@nastchristo7729

Жыл бұрын

I swear

@mrg7304

Жыл бұрын

Lmao tell me about it. I've only had 1 private paid attorney and our relationship ended with him ignoring my calls weeks on end because i didnt give him more money but NO RESULTS and fired his ass. All the public defenders I've had have never fumbled the ball at all. Motions filed on time, calls and text answered, and never waste time.

@theoreticalexercise

Жыл бұрын

So deep 🕳️

@DaFactsNoNonsense1713

Жыл бұрын

@@mrg7304 ALWAYS pay your lawyer in FULL = that way you might not even have to go to trial = ALL lawyers are FRIENDS = most prosecutors used to be “assistants” to DEFENCE lawyers (most likely YOURS) = they can simply have a phone-call about the case OR the prosecution knows how good your lawyer is, so they know him showing-up means YOU paid him & he’s ready to fight = 9 times out of 10 a PAID lawyer gets the case dismissed or STAYED (charges are paused for a few years & if you avoid charges during that time period, the charges get disposed) = pay your lawyer always, it might save your life

I want to understand why Kelsey was so calm when taking a jail call from Tory, after “HE” allegedly beat her up, and shot Megan while she was trying to stop him. Then she proceeds to tell him where she is, and what hospital Megan was at. She even stated over the phone, it’s best to get you out on bail now, because the longer you are in there, the hotter it will get. Why is this not In question? An apology was made but not directly for what was accused and that has to be a matter in this.

@LolaBossladyDiggs

Жыл бұрын

This! 🥴

@oreoblast2012

Жыл бұрын

I mean it could also be argued it's weird for her to be so calm if she shot the gun and Tory has no reason to cover for her. If she shot the gun it's weird she isn't in any way apologetic knowing Meg is in the hospital and Tory would be in jail for something she's responsible for knowing she was friends with or cool with both. Kelsey could just be weird tbh. But the evidence points to Tory. Even in the call he was worried about backlash to him, to Meg never speaking to him again ( never mentioned not speaking to an “us” including Kelsey), to him being too drunk to remember specifics. And that's just the call. No one testified to Kelsey holding the gun and the defense didn't establish a clear motive for her either

@kingtaylor9362

Жыл бұрын

@@oreoblast2012 I’m not going to base her actions off of her being “weird” That makes no sense. She’s just “weird”??? But she knew to ask for immunity and play dumb on that stand. the evidence points towards Kelsey too. Why do you guys miss that part? Residue was on her hands. Tory’s DNA was inconclusive when if you fire a gun multiple times, it shouldn’t be, at all. The weapon experts even said that on the stand. But you guys seem to skip that part. The witness said he seen Kelsey with the gun first and the first shots came from her, yet that’s being ignored. Why? Why ignore one fact to pay attention to something that is not fully proven. That’s reasonable doubt and you should not be able to convict someone 100 percent based on trash evidence.

@blackjesus2473

Жыл бұрын

@@kingtaylor9362 it’s being ignored cause he NEVER said that! Lmao where the hell do y’all be getting your information from? He never said he saw a female with a gun, hell he even said he didn’t see the gun till Tory got out the car and then he saw him fire it in the air everywhere!!! Y’all are literally just sitting up here lying making up shit. There was gun residue on Tory too. Funny how you conveniently leave that part out

@blackjesus2473

Жыл бұрын

@@kingtaylor9362 actually he said he saw a muzzle flash come from the females direction, BUT NEVER SAW THE GUN! He never said he saw Kelsey go get the gun. He never said he saw a fight for the gun.

He shot her, end of story

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

No

@TheREVOLUTION690

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliG17C no? Proof?

@MB-es9ft

Жыл бұрын

Is it crack? He did not shoot her

@TheREVOLUTION690

Жыл бұрын

@@MB-es9ft I mean he was on parole tho ? How can u be mad ar someone who fucked up? Just cuz she snitched ? Why do black men not need to be responsible? Lmao

@melindaloa204

Жыл бұрын

He shot her in the foot n then admitted it

where is the accountability for Tory Lanez?

@houseofmatrix6174

Жыл бұрын

He should be held accountable for being fboy and keeping wrong compan😢

@goldmicreactions

Жыл бұрын

@@houseofmatrix6174 what about shooting Megan?

The misinformation is wild. Question Why would both Tory and Meg protect Kelsey?🤔🤔🤔

That witness switched his story a day before after talking to prosecutors. There’s 100% something off about this case. The witness was sure that two women were fighting and the girl fired the gun first. It’s highly plausible Tory was just trying to control and direct Kelsey’s arm and the witness lumped him in with Kelsey and said they were both shooting. Tory VOLUNTEERED to get dna tested. Someone who knows they fired that gun let alone touched it is not going to do that. If he fired that gun 5 times, his dna would be conclusive. There is so much reasonable doubt in this case

@mrg7304

Жыл бұрын

A case technically doesn't end until all appeals have been exhausted or a positive resolution has come

@supremeuchia1287

Жыл бұрын

You weren’t in the courtroom and probably got most your information from like Dj akademics. You don’t what reasonable doubt was established. I do find it was funny that everybody ran with the Kelsey shot her story when literally no one said Kelsey ever shot Meg including Tory. Tory actually said Kelsey didn’t shoot her.

@BigTrisStreams

Жыл бұрын

Nigga wrote a essay for nothing 😂😂😂😂

@oreoblast2012

Жыл бұрын

DNA being inconclusive on a gun isn't uncommon at all. All you'd really need to do is wipe it and/or hand it to someone else in many cases. It's only reasonable evidence someone else did it if someone else's DNA was conclusive which wasn't testified to. Hence not really reasonable doubt when the other evidence points Tory.

@MB-es9ft

Жыл бұрын

@@oreoblast2012 the man volunteered to get his dna tested, he was not forced too. That speaks volumes

If he shot her, the charge would’ve been attempted murder. Just stop saying he shot her. She lied and said he shot her and folks just ran with it.

@PizzleP

Жыл бұрын

I'm on your side with the grey area reasonable doubt, but he wouldn't be charged with attempted murder if he shot her due to where she was hit fam, so just had to correct you on that

@njmedina9848

Жыл бұрын

Shooting someone in the foot wouldn’t be attempted murder? But ok

@njmedina9848

Жыл бұрын

That’s assault with a firearm dummy 😭

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

@@njmedina9848 shooting at someone 5 times isn’t attempted murder? They knew that man ain’t shoot her

@njmedina9848

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 they know that man did shoot her and I fw Torey over Megan but I’m not dumb. Y’all must be actually slow to think someone is gonna really going to say someone shot them if it was entirely someone else. Y’all acting like this a whole “Gone Girl” type of situation or something like no ppl do fucked up shit regardless of whether you fw their music or not. You didn’t see the video of him jumping August Alsina just for not shaking him up? Lol whatever y’all are just too dumb.

The phone call the next day cooked him, at the beginning of the call you are notified the call is being taped, from the beginning he was told to shut up. He put his self in this with his own mouth. His mouth was his greatest enemy. Jimmy Mac

How was this even close to proven BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT??!

Frfr y'all need to STOP commenting on legal issues until you learn the law. Yes, simply pointing a weapon at someone is assault but SO IS SHOOTING THEM 🤦🏾‍♀️, which is what he did. If you would have read the entire penal code you would have saw that Pointing a gun is simply the minimum action you can do in order to be charged with assault.

I always laugh when Ish gets this lil tone when he’s trying to get his point across.

Why would Tory’s own witness say he saw Tory point the gun in the air? Mind you, he says this a day after he disappears with the prosecutor and DA… food for thought

@BrenaeReads

Жыл бұрын

Bingooooo!

He failed to let his client get away with a crime? I guess 🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷‍♀️. By the way, raise strong minded smart daughters because they will encounter gentlemen like these on this podcast. 😒 = 🗑 That man [Lanez] could not testify because (a)he was guilty and (b) he did not possess the reticent communication skills to handle cross examination without sabotaging his own case.

If she was scared for her life, why answer his call calmly and update him about the night in question not even 24 hrs after the incident

See that’s the thing. If you shoot a gun and hit someone even if it wasn’t meant to hurt them in LA it’s still assault.

@allthewayupnorth_8155

Жыл бұрын

That's assault everywhere

@rhondac.891

Жыл бұрын

I think everyone understands that but I personally not gonna respect the person for lying about how it went down. I wish she would just admit to how it really went down instead or trying to make herself the perfect victim

@bluedalia1114

Жыл бұрын

​@@rhondac.891 Still he shot her

Some one educate me on this… I thought if a story doesn’t match or if there’s any inconsistencies.. the Jury is suppose to throw it out

@Realblingking00

Жыл бұрын

Supposed is the key

@oreoblast2012

Жыл бұрын

Not at all. Juries can disregard all, parts or take what they think is credible and matches other evidence. It's up to the lawyers to highlight how something fits within evidence and cross to highlight if it's not accurate to facts. Varying levels of inconsistencies in testimony isn't uncommon especially with ancillary details when the events happened years ago, for example it happened at night vs afternoon. They originally saw two people but it was 3, person was wearing blue but it was black etc. There are also cases where witnesses interview to something but don't remember at trial ( for various reasons) and cant testify to that etc It's up to the people making the case to argue if any inconsistencies are material and/or if that makes the whole testimony unreliable.

@amsoftdev

Жыл бұрын

That only happens in the movies. In a real life, there are always inconsistencies in cases. Defense was not able to refute hardly any of the 47 items of evidence by the prosecution.

@tuxedomask8238

Жыл бұрын

@@amsoftdev i get that but I thought the judge is suppose to tell the jury that though.

@tuxedomask8238

Жыл бұрын

@@oreoblast2012 i always thought the Judge is suppose to enforce that to the jury , especially if someone is caught lying

That wasn’t the plea deal, that was a charge they added 2 days before the trial.

@Pjiggy

Жыл бұрын

Yes but it was the plea deal first.

@bRenegadez

Жыл бұрын

@@Pjiggy no it wasnt

nawwhh sounds like you were one of the outlets Tory was paying to go against Megan.

Kelsey was intentionally attempting to cause reasonable doubt when she altered her statement- it was clear and ultimately it was the phone call that got him but his lawyers defence approach was not sufficient in this case… I’ll have to read the full case but he has a few holes he can get through for another chance

All black men on trial? WTF 🙄 Man, SOME black men actually ride for the protection of black women, ESPECIALLY victims of gun violent. Man, let me leave this pod alone for a while, possibly forever. Damn Joe. Smh🤦🏽‍♀️

I always believed he was guilty. Y'all are clowns coming at this black woman...

The fact that these men sit around and talk about other people every single day is crazy to me

Shout out to Joe Buddens for having grown man Energy when he said "GET THE THUGS OFF THE STREET- WE GOT IT WRONG"- How we gonna be about "Us" but women are a discretionary asset? In other words how can we treat a womans life (Meg) less valuable then Tory's Life. I love Megan and Tory as well as everyone else there. He a grown man and a sharp cat at that and unfortunately he had a rough night that day and there are consequences for that. He shoulda took that deal.

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

Tory is innocent. We didn’t get it wrong. They just couldn’t afford not to get a conviction

@georgestanton1845

Жыл бұрын

And then came back and said he was joking…

@NurseKaraB

Жыл бұрын

Lmao Joe budden said he was joking lmao you didn’t even finish the show

@Andreaswarren

Жыл бұрын

@@georgestanton1845 For real fam

@Andreaswarren

Жыл бұрын

@@NurseKaraB Yea I finished it but I have inside connects he had to say that cause Tory connected to Power dudes like Drake etc. But Joe Has a conscious and some integrity shooting a woman with a gun should never be excused fam cmon

Lol the topics that joe is biased on are always super obvious. like he couldn't hide it even if he tried "I do see a scenario where you could shoot around someone without trying to injure them" Lol what?

@PizzleP

Жыл бұрын

That's not bias, it's true. It's not smart, but I've seen it happen before. It did wind up in the person being charged too, but you can definitely shoot around a person with no intent on hitting them, just scaring them. It is stupid though

@treydeuce8479

Жыл бұрын

@@PizzleP Bra if you’re shooting around someone, You have very little care in the world about injuring them.. Bullets ricochet .. I never shot in the direction of someone and thought 💭 I hope i dont injure them

@PizzleP

Жыл бұрын

@@treydeuce8479 Understood, but that's you fam. I have an example of the situation happening on the other end, where I was present and aware of the person's intent prior to it happening. It's VERY possible. I stated that it's stupid, which it is, but it's also very possible to intend on scaring but not harming someone

@fionaday1336

Жыл бұрын

Joe already stated he hates Megan

@treydeuce8479

Жыл бұрын

@@PizzleP respect

Get a lawyer to explain it. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Kelseys testimony was allowed because torys lawyer kept saying she testified under pressure from the cops. It was allowed because they kept talking about it.

There are minimum sentencing guidelines for certain “crimes” and weapon charges are one of them.

@theoneouswashington1173

Жыл бұрын

Somebody was going to jail for the gun 🔫 some laws are stricker than others they was concerned about the gun.

I don't like how nobody mentions Mr. Kelly also said he saw Kelsey shoot in direction of Meg while Tory was still sitting in the car before Tory ever fired a shot

@iceman1821

Жыл бұрын

Lol who's gun was it tho? He was going to jail no matter what

@Jeyapollo

Жыл бұрын

@@iceman1821we still don’t know who gun it was tho

@NurseKaraB

Жыл бұрын

@@iceman1821 Megs she has had a charge and her ex bf said she pulled a gun on him . Either hers or Kelsey allegedly . How would Kelsey know to pull a gun if she claims she didn’t know it was there

@MB-es9ft

Жыл бұрын

@@iceman1821it was Megan’s gun. Ej basically testified Meg carries gun and he “may” have seen something that looks like one in her bag that night

@A2WEAPON

Жыл бұрын

@@iceman1821 it wasn't made conclusive who gun it was 😂

Y’all stay making excuses for this man.

I watched a defense attorney go through the evidence and I see why the jury found him guilty. And she said Tory's lawyer was not being thorough so he wasn't being a good lawyer.

Jayz has Dez Perez, the one biggest snitch running Roc nation. She got 40/40 closed down and ruined the label. Nobody is really there anymore.

You know what’s wild? Right before the trial Tory’s high powered attorney Shawn Holley dipped last minute. If you go check, she is now executive producing a show called Reasonable Doubt based upon Jay-Z’s debut album which he owns the rights to. It premiered not too long ago. This is way deeper than we think

@oliverjames9102

Жыл бұрын

What Tory lanes owns rights to reasonable doubt ?

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

@@oliverjames9102 no Jay-Z does. That means they had to work together

@nucklehead718

Жыл бұрын

So roc nation set all this up. From start to finish? They told kelsey and tory to start fucking each other get into an argument fight and then for tory to shoot a gun at meg or threaten her with a gun? Idk wtf yall on but I'm glad I only stick to trees because yall be saying some dumb shit with the confidence of a genius.

@nucklehead718

Жыл бұрын

@@oliverjames9102 ikr all to promote a show lol jay did all this to promote a show because hes that desperate lol my god. Makes 0 sense.

@free0the0hawk0

Жыл бұрын

@@joe1192 they sayin his lawyer sold him out to get a production deal w/roc nation cause everyone sayin rock nation behind Meg or whatever. I think.

Ya’ll still making excuses but def not keeping the same energy.. and Flip worked the 1st day as a guest but he sucks with serious topics moving along

What I don’t understand is what motive does Meg have to lie and say Tory? If her and Kelsey are beefing to the point that Kelsey shoots Meg, why would Meg lie and say Tory?

Dont think about the consequences, just make foolish choices, smmfh

i said it again Tory Lanez had to be found guilty. Megan career couldn't take the not guilty blow

He know he shot her and beat Kelsey..thats why he apologized on that dam phone..now u hear as he address Mehgan its Beloved i ..blaah blaah blaah..he slick and charismatic af..he better get his heart right cauhsz God has Angelic forces avenging on behalf of abused woman

@MB-es9ft

Жыл бұрын

Megan beat Kelsey up and Kelsey shot back in defense. Megan even bragged about snatching Kelsey’s chain and beating her up on a song

@Miskeri1

Жыл бұрын

If tory did beat her her face would be fucked up men don't pull hair

@rashawnne7050

Жыл бұрын

@M B that would make sense if Tory literally from his own account didn't say Kelsey did not shoot her.. he also apologizes twice because none of this would have happened if it wasn't for being drunk.. lol you can look at the evidence that got him prosecuted ... He literally replied in a comment that Kelsy didn't shoot her.... which leaves only him and his bodyguard

@nucklehead718

Жыл бұрын

@@MB-es9ft so why didnt he testify? Because from your statements tory is taking charges for kelsey. Which makes no sense. Explain that.

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

@@nucklehead718 it’s common sense why Tory didn’t testify. They wanted to use his lyrics and past incidents against him

Read the court transcripts people. These men are giving misinformation again!! Smh

@04ohgolly1

Жыл бұрын

No they’re not, they’re giving a opinion…smh wtf

He is guilty period.

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

Nah he’s innocent period.

@Miskeri1

Жыл бұрын

Innocent

Everybody knows this trial was a joke. Tory did not shoot that girl. Their biggest piece of evidence was a jail call in which Tory never even apologized for shooting Meg. That’s a major red flag. He apologized for instigating a fight between two best friends and kicking them out his car which led to one of his girl’s getting hurt. What’s sick is them trying to twist him being human to convince a jury he apologized for a crime he did not commit. If Tory really did it, Kelsey would not be as calm as she is on that call after Tory just brutally assaulted her and shot her friend. She would not agree to bail him out. Tory would not mention Megan getting backlash. If Tory really did what they accused him of, there would be no debate and an overwhelming amount of evidence but there isn’t. The witnesses stories would line up but they don’t. Free Tory

@rellysunshine9665

Жыл бұрын

You’re spot on

@Abdullah-vg1uc

Жыл бұрын

Who sounded guilty in the phone call. It's obvious that tory was not apologizing for fucking them

@edubbs5556

Жыл бұрын

He never said what he was apologizing for. The jury used common sense

Y’all know nothing about the judicial system 🤭 how do you have a strong opinion about something have no knowledge or understanding of. SMH

Nobody on here watched this case ….stop acting like y’all were in court room or looked at everything….I. Sure the jury is more intelligent then everybody in these comment section due to their knowledge of the case of hours in court …..sure people go to jail who are innocent

Tory’s lawyer low key was in a no win situation. I’d he beats the charges for Tory in court, he’s looked at like OJ Simpson’s legal team for “getting a criminal off of shooting a woman” if he loses the case he’s celebrated by Meg’s team for basically being JR smith in the finals and now he’s hated by Tory’s family and fan base. Only silver lining for him is either way he gets paid. Lol

@jas1565

Жыл бұрын

Is that not a defense attorney's job?

@DM-lj2mn

Жыл бұрын

Wym? OJ defense team all benefited from beating that case

Let's keep it 💯 it's not about Tory's lawyer he was already guilty before the trial even started this was never a fair trial from the beginning.

@JimmyCooks969

Жыл бұрын

He’s not guilty

@drummstickydd93

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyCooks969 That man is innocent but they needed a fall guy

@XORGNMN

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Just think how you lose the fragments that could make the case legit. An x ray can’t determine fragments it just shows a depiction. Meg initial story was glass and a doctor treated her for that. Next thing you know she’s being flew to New York and the whole story changes smh. Like the angle of this trial was already janky

Black men ain't on trial champ. I ain't never put my hands on a b**** let alone shot at one!

Why were feet bleeding profusely in that video? The doctor retrieved bullet fragments in her feet. He called and was apologizing adamantly. What was he apologizing for?

His lawyers wasn't trash, they almost had Meg with all the reasonable doubt Kelsey and the neighbors testimony was causing (which was their plan). I'm sure they advised him to just take the plea which is what he should've done. If he would've just took the plea, he probably would've just got 5-7 years if even that. He did all that deflecting by pointing the finger at Kelsey and bringing up Megan's sexual history like there wasn't a whole recording of him apologizing from jail. That recording is what sealed his fate. And dumb mfs are still saying that recording proves nothing when it proves everything. "I was just so drunk I ain't never did no shit like that" did what sir?? He's guilty. His drunk ass shouldn't have been shooting bullets in the air, them bullets gonna land somewhere and unfortunately one landed in Megan's foot. Lock em up 🤷🏾‍♀️

@NurseKaraB

Жыл бұрын

He didn’t shoot her . Case closed

@MB-es9ft

Жыл бұрын

He instigated the fight and kicked them out the car. That’s what he apologized for

@ashleyaustin672

Жыл бұрын

@@NurseKaraB So what he apologize for? An argument?? If I get locked up for shooting someone and I didn't do it, I wouldn't be apologizing for shit. And if he was so innocent why he ain't take the stand??? Ya'll Tory fans ignorant. I'm not a big Megan fan cause all her music sound the same, but I truly feel for her cause she was on trial just as much as Tory and she was the one who was shot. Whoever was fucking who is irrelevant. Grow up.

@Musa-ut6ce

Жыл бұрын

@@NurseKaraB He is going to jail. Case closed

@Musa-ut6ce

Жыл бұрын

@@MB-es9ft Yall gotta give it up at some point.

The independent witness was an old scared white man who saw 4 black people acting a fool outside his home. Tory could very well just have been standing next to Kelsey and he included him as the shooter just like he said they were all fighting when it was just Meg and Kelsey while the men tried to break it up. He prob thought just cause Tory was on trial, he must have done something wrong and there was a reason. I also find it funny how a defense witness was seen in a back room with prosecutors right before testifying. He said they were BOTH shooting, one person shot that gun and he was clear the girl fired first.

The guy with the palm tree on his shirt MAKES ME SO MAD! Just defending defending 🙄🙄🙄 just stop it! You all were wrong!!!! Around, by or in the air doesn’t matter!

You're responsible for every round downrange. Period. Cookout logic does not apply.

Why would Kelsey shoot her boss that girl had recently moved everything from Huston to LA to work for Meg why would she then shoot her and lose everything. Not only that Tory put online that Kelsey didn’t shoot anyone 09/26/2020 and it stayed there. Nobody else had residue but her and Tory if he said she didn’t that leaves him and driver. He said everywhere. Finally someone understands this was a weapons case and not a Meg case she was simply a witness.

@MB-es9ft

Жыл бұрын

Megan beat her up. Did you not see the pictures? You know Megan even tried to snatch her chain that night right?

@RawJLP32

Жыл бұрын

@@MB-es9ft don’t care they proved their case just bcuz u don’t understand which they just broke it down none of that shit matters bcuz it was a weapons case. They proved he carried it was loaded unregistered and that he fired it. Also in her interview and when they friends put her on blast she said Tory kicked her ass twice

@NurseKaraB

Жыл бұрын

@@RawJLP32 yea Kelsey had an attitude seemed like she was passed when the police got there

@RawJLP32

Жыл бұрын

@@NurseKaraB Meg paid that girl rent for a yr. Why would I do that for someone who shot me

@ellemac1001

Жыл бұрын

She didn’t shoot her and everyone knows that. They hate Megan so much that they are willing to overlook all the evidence based on the Charges

I definitely believe 3 things about this messy case: 1. Tory shot the gun. I don’t think the intention was to actually hit her. I ain’t arguing if that makes it right or not; I’m just saying I don’t think he point blank shot her with malice 2. Meg lied about him shooting her point blank with malice 3. That gun belonged to Kelsey

@BIGSTEVEBMB

Жыл бұрын

Kelsey had just arrived to LA days prior to the incident. That couldn’t have been her firearm. Furthermore. He defiantly meant to shoot her with malice. You don’t fire a weapon without intent of hurting or scaring someone. Period.

@rhondac.891

Жыл бұрын

@@BIGSTEVEBMB how her having just come back a good reason for it not being her fun? She ain’t have nothing at Meghan house still? Did you see that lil cheap gun? Definitely belonged to a female. And his DNA being excluded from the magazine also lets me know it ain’t his. Like who wouldn’t have loaded their own gun at some point. That Definitely belonged to one of the girls and I think it’s Kelsey.

@BIGSTEVEBMB

Жыл бұрын

@@rhondac.891 lol sweetheart, respectfully that was a compact 40 caliber carry pistol. Not little and cheap about that firearm. Second it’s very possible not to transfer dna. There’s all type of different factors to explain why dna would not show up. And if even it wasn’t his gun he wasn’t charged for it being his gun. He was charged for being in possession of an unregistered firearm. All witnesses put the gun in his hands. Finished.

@rhondac.891

Жыл бұрын

Lol, I’m not your sweetheart clearly because boy you could possibly never! We would’ve been fine in our conversation until you became condescending. They said the gun was 9mm SCCY. That gun is small and it was in the color green; very female. And if you got other DNA present on the magazine but his is completely excluded that’s an even bigger assumption to assume everyone loaded his gun but him. And I read the testimony from both DNA experts on the trial. And did I ever say it mattered if it was his gun or not in regards to the possession charge? Or did I just say that I believe that’s Kelsey’s gun? I’m pretty sure that’s all I said so you can take the fake law degree and the mansplaining about the details of the charge somewhere else because I’m well aware.

@BIGSTEVEBMB

Жыл бұрын

@@rhondac.891 lol I could never what? And the gun wasn’t no green sccy. It was a black 40 caliber Glock. You clearly don’t know what you talking about. Most women don’t, since I’m mansplaining, let’s make this about men and women since you want to bring it up. And his dna wasn’t excluded miss, dna was inconclusive. That’s definitely not exonerating him nor implicating him. It’s up to everything else surrounding the case that one can make up their mind on who the gun belongs to. I could tell you the type of person that need to be put in place. You arguing something that you believe because you want so bad to be right. ignoring the facts. Be quiet.

After testing his hand for gunshot residue and it came back negative. When exactly did he shoot that gun in the air????? for that charge to stick

It’s kinda sick how y’all are invested in caping for Tory even after the verdict. Ish mostly. Like idc what’s going on, why is a gun even in the equation? He put both of those women in harms way. If Meg would’ve gotten a more serious injury I’m certain y’all would be w a different tune smh

I find it funny how her fans trying to say she tried to protect him. She went and spoke to police 4 days after the incident, no one reported she was shot but her. She made a statement on ig the next day and said someone tried to harm her with intent. Meg is complete cap, she never tried protecting anyone

@4everBreezy

Жыл бұрын

She tried protecting him as in she could’ve called the police at that exact moment and said “hey this black man shooting this place up at Kylie Jenner house” and then those police officers come and blow his head off- no trial needed. That’s how she protected him. IG post has nothing on a casket

@MakaveliG17C

Жыл бұрын

@@4everBreezy bro she went on ig live a month and a half later and acted like she was still protecting him. What are you even talking about? She went on live and said Tory shot her on August 20, 2020

@thatraspyshxt

Жыл бұрын

She did. The story was released without names the very next day. She didn't say shit. But he did. And that's when she did that live weeks later and said what she said. TORY FUCKED HIMSELF.

@bgtheiceberg

Жыл бұрын

@@4everBreezy but why is she protecting someone that tried to take her life? 🤔 She even continued to say she stepped on glass when she was in the hospital far away from Tory.