Thank you for the tip regarding the HDMI to I2S converter. This small investment made my Oppo 95 relevant for the near future. Using with an Audio-GD R7HE Mk3 dac with no connection issues. Opened the door to enhanced enjoyment of SACD, Blu-ray, & DVD audio formats. All the best.

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome!

@alfredtolentino8614

11 ай бұрын

Which one did you get. I couldn't find the one on Amazon...🤔

@ales3688

5 ай бұрын

Neither do I! Can anybody find it online?

I like every clip you ever did !!

At that time I did that using an HDMI Extractor from Oehlbach. Worked well. Now I use the optical output from the TV to send the signals to the Dac. The eternal plugging in was annoying. For the PC and then to the Dac via USB I have the Portable Pioneer Blurayplayer BDR-XD07. A fantastic player.

@bridgebolt51

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with this is.. it switched channel... (hdmi-I2s converter) left become the right channel vice versa

I have used the same box as shown and this solution between my Oppo 105D and Pontus 2 dac .. it works and sounds better than the SPDIF connections direct from the Oppo 105 to the Pontus dac. There are a couple of points to note .. I2S does not have a standard for the pin allocations .. so dacs like the Pontus 2 which has the ability to alter the pins via selection on the front panel is a must. The Oppo 105D & the Pontus 2 connection over I2S was easy as the default pins allocation worked .. but other players/dacs my be different. Use the shortest hdmi cables that you can .. I used 30cm cables and use a reasonable quality cable. Also note that on my box and as mentioned on other sites on the web this box reverses the channel balance for SACD discs .. I tested this by listening to a hybrid cd/sacd and noted that this in fact happened. So my solution was to get a cable made with balanced ends from the pontus 2 to two RCA input ends into my intergrated amp .. one being made reversed .. Snake Oil cable USA .. this cable is mentioned on the Denafrips web site. So now it all works fine .. I just have to change the input selection on my amp when I play a SACD to get the correct stereo balance. Hope this information helps

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, thanks for sharing that!

Thank you very very much for your explanations and advices to fix this issues. I'll think to go for HDMI/I2S converter. It seems the most practical solution to link my old primare bd32 to my topping d90 (I2S dac). To my knowledge, the only high quality dac with HDMI inputs is the Bryston BDA-3, but it is still very expensive. Best regards and, again, Grazie! Alessandro

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Grazie a te! ;-)

Thank you.... very helpful 👍

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU!

First things first. Oppo is still making high quality transport mechanisms for digital discs and my understanding is that it will continue to do so into the future. I have recently decided to buy a PS Audio Memory Player and DirectStream DAC and if you buy the two you can enjoy native I²S connectivity between them, so that all the clock, power supply and data lines are kept separate throughout rather than being multiplexed as with SPDIF. I'm hoping to have the units by Christmas.

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know what you are referring to but Oppo bluray players have been out of production for several years now.

@johnmarchington3146

2 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog I was referring to just the transport mechanism; that is, laser assembly and means of loading a disc, controlling the tray movement etc. No electronics. However a friend of mine now thinks that PS Audio might be obtaining the mechanisms from Denon-Marantz, but the video I saw definitely mentioned Oppo. I must also correct my comment about I²S as I don't think power supplies are involved - just the various clock signals and the digital audio data kept separate from one another.

Can you explain me something? If I have headphones with a frequency response over 40 kHz and I am playing a native dsd 256 file from a DAP which has only a frequency response up 20 kHz than what is the sense behind these dsd files if the player can't reproduce the sound above 20 kHz? Maybe I missunderstanding something because I am new to that topic. Would be glad if you could clarify. Thx.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed! In fact they have created the high resolution logo for hardware besides the software. But not all equipment has that. Have to look at the specs.

Another great video, thank you. Quick question, I have the Oppo 105D and a Denefrips Ares II dac. The dac does not have an HDMI or I2S port. If I follow your advice, if I connect the converter to the dac via coaxial, will there be any sq drop off playing sacd? Cheers.

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately DSD cannot go through coax (spdif) that's why a lot of people are using I2S or HDMI. In newer connections DSD64 can go via SPDIF as DoP but you need to ask Denafrips of their convert will accept dsd via coax.

Thank you for pointing out this device, very useful indeed,. If I may a quick question, on the Oppo audio settings for HDMI output do you have it set to Auto, Bitstream or PCM, Many thanks and all the best for your Chanel

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

PCM!

Thanks for the tips..!!! The audio extractor & IIS are really good... The extractor u said that didnt work for is may because of the channels that the HDMI is actually carrying and the extractor is giving out to the DAC..!!! I think most of the DACs we use for hifi are stereo support only (2 channels) unlike the separate decoders that are available in AV receivers... For instance i always wanted to use my chord hifi dac for surround movies( i prefer to watch in headphones) but it wont do it.. which in other words to get the desired 3D effect that particular encoding is to supported by the DACs too... Anyway do u know any such devices which can really simulate that surround effect into stereo components like Headphones unlike just throwing the surround channels to the left and right of the headphones..!! (thats what yamaha AV reciever silent cinema does)

This works like a charm. I got a $57 I2S Audio Extractor off eBay, connected it from my Oppo BDP-105D to the I2S input on my Audio-GD R7HE DAC, and got glorious sound. I have not been able to listen to the SACD layer of dual-layer SACDs through my DAC due to copyright issues. I am able to listen through the balanced outs from the Oppo to my preamp, but that is at CD quality only. What a huge difference!

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah!

@genkifd

3 жыл бұрын

i have a minor crackling sound issue with Oppo 105 to Audio GD DI20HE / R7HE MK2 via SPDIF. im hoping this device will fix my problem.

Thanks for the video! I have some Edifier r2000db speakers (with built in amp) and I want to take out the signal from a Bluray with Coaxial output (my speakers only have RCA and Optical inputs). How can I do this without losing sound quality? Lastly, do you think it's worth the hassle for listening hi-res audio on those speakers? I feel those speakers won't be up to the hi-res overall setting...

@Abrasca74

Жыл бұрын

Hi, If you connect the blu ray player via spdif (rca) to your Edifiers you will have a decent CD quality but in PCM format. If you want to enjoy (as I did) Super Audio CDs, well you should upgrade to Edifier S3000Pro, with a decent DAC inside of them and with balanced inputs. I use a Sony UBP-X800M2 Blu Ray player as a mere cd transport, then I connected the dedicated HDMI (audio only output) to the "HDMI to I2S converter" and the I2S output connected to a S.M.S.L. DAC (external balanced DAC). Now I can enjoy the greatness of SACD with a affordable cost, without spending thousands of euros buyng a SACD hi-end player. Enjoy!

Thanks for the video!! What DAC are you using? It gives you a bit perfect ? A standard HDMI cable will works? Regards!!

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

I am using the Holo Audio May DAC Kitsune edition. Yes, a normal HDMI cable works.

HI thanks a lot for your video i would like to know i have a sony ubp x700 blu ray player with a coaxial exit in your opinion i can connect with coaxial cable direct to dac ? thanks a lot

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but high-res audio is probably going to be blocked

I would like to know how can I extract hdmi audio for headphones only . Like loseless surround

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Headphones are only stereo and are analog!

Hello Anadialog, can your "hdmi to i2s coverter" extract for example the signal dsd from a dsf or dff file read on an oppo 203 unmoddable by the hdmi output audio "only" and then , can it transform the dsd signal to a Dop64 dsd in order to inject into a external dac who can accept a dop signal dsd 64 by using the optical or coaxial output from this "converter"? Excuse me for my bad english.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I tried putting a DSF file from a USB stick inserted in the Oppo but the machine did not recognize it. Maybe with a SACD emulator...

Hey, thank you for your great video. I have the Oppo BDP105D, and the i2s converter box plugged in to my Pontus II using hdmi - to I2s. It works fine with DSD, but DVD-A and BD audio is only output as 48 regardless of resolution, is there a work around?

@sully1296

2 жыл бұрын

+1 I also have the Oppo 105D and Pontus II, would like to know the answer to this as well! I have an email in with Denafrips, I will follow up with their reply.

@bigfoistfilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@sully1296 thank you!

Excellent video. Do you know if the I2S output is compatible with the PS Audio Stellar Strata I2S input ? by using an HDMI cable?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I am not sure 100% but I would think so, plus you can also change some parameters from the box so I would be pretty sure it does.

Very interesting video and tips to connect a sacd player to a dac. I have a question : using a hdmi to i2s adapter playing a sacd you send a pcm or a Dsd 64 to the dac ? Thanks

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

DSD, that is why you need the box!

@lucabattanta9246

Жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Interested by this video and having some sacds at home I tried connecting the small hdmi-> i2s converter to a basic Sony SACD blue ray player. Magic! The player actually sends via HDMI a DSD 64 signal which is then converted to i2s to the dac a sabaj d5. There was one detail, however, that was necessary for everything to work. Connecting the hdmi->i2s converter directly to the dac not only didn't show anything on the TV, but the audio signal to the dac couldn't get through either. I thought the reason for this might be either a fault in the Sony blu-ray player (and I still believe that part of the problem lies with the blu-ray player) or that the HDMI output of the Sony wasn't sending enough power to feed the converter. On the first reason I unfortunately cannot yet comment, not having tried a player of the same model , but on the second reason I am almost certain that, regardless of a possible defect in the player, that it was not sending enough power to the Dac and the TV. Adding an external power supply to the 5volt socket to supply power to the hdmi-i2s converter, the TV magically showed video signals and the dac received DSD audio signals. I wanted to send you my experience as it can hopefully be useful to many others. Thanks for giving me the idea! Thanks Anadialog!

Hello. Thanks for the cool video. I connected the Gustard x22 dac via the cambridge audio BD 751 converter and the i2s input with a high-quality hdmi cable. When playing sacd, a strong crack is heard. Perhaps you need to use a special hdmi-i2s cable?

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Are you using the box I presented in the video?

Thanks for the info on I2S and your great review of the Holo May DAC. I just placed an order from Tim for the DAC but it won't be here for another month. But reading up on it, I have a couple of question that you may be able to answer. I also own one of the last Oppo UDP 205. The 205 has an HDMI audio only output. Is this I2S ready? Will this work direct connect into the Holo May DAC? Or do I need to get the converter too? I also see from the May's instruction manual that it has 4 selectable standards for it's I2S input. Which one did you use with your converter? Do you know which one is based on PS Audio's standard? Thanks for all the help with your great videos.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Leonard, thanks! Great Oppo...yes, you need the box unfortunately. It should work without doing anything like I did with my Oppo 105D. The May needs a lot of time, then it gets better and better!

@leonardpezzano5216

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Thanks, I just ordered the converter on eBay. Keep up the great videos.

Thank you for your great video! Do you know if the I2S converter works with Blu-Ray DTS-HD movies via Coaxial? That is to say in 24 bits 192 KHz and bypassing the restrictions of cinema audio standards? THANKS !!!

@anadialog

7 ай бұрын

All standards and resolution, if accepted by the HDMI format, will go through it and converted to I2S in the box!

I am hoping you can help with this question. I am using a Gustard U18 to run into my Gustard R26 via I2S (going with your recommendation of the Ricable). do you have any suggestions on a cable (USB A to USB B ) running my Bluesound node into the U18, Also any suggestions on XLR cables to run from the R26 into my Yamaha A-S2100

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

This USB cable is amazing: www.audiophonics.fr/en/usb-cables-hubs/neotech-neub-1020-cable-usb-a-maleusb-b-male-20-gold-plated-24k-silver-15m-p-12156.html For the XLR have you seen my vid? kzread.info/dash/bejne/q2mcwbOaZqSaebg.html

Very useful as this is what I am looking to do to give SACD a try at low cost. My DAC has DSD capability (over I2S), so it looks like your converter is the solution. However, taking a step back, I am not clear at the moment how the manufacturers of the Bluray players anticipate the DSD over HDMI output to be used, if it is not compatible with I2S?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't and that is why we can do this. They never thought that someone could have extrapolated the highbres PCM and DSD signal from the HDMI cable, which in the past was used only for video + audio for the TV. No copyright protection there, but you need a different protocol to accept that signal in a DAC. Hence I2S. That is, at least, how 8 understand the situation.

@VisciousHippo

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Thanks!

Hi Mike, I am new here! Wanted to ask you a couple of questions! First have you heard of a Synchro Mesh Relocker by Empirical Audio! Reduces Jitter etc. Also I am using a Ayon CD player as a Transport now with a Berkeley DAC I just got! With the Ayon I can run as just Transport which I am doing now! Also I can run the Ayon with the Analog Outs also running through the Recloker Unit! Both sound great but I am not sure the CD player by itself with the Synchro Mesh Relocker has the dynamics that the DAC does!My Ayon is wonderful but now with the Berkeley running to the CD Transport only I am testing to see which I like!

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

Welcome Larry! My name is Guido ;-) No I haven't heard about that. I'll check it out, thanks. Nice combo there for your silver discs!

Great video thank you ! I own a Oppo 203 and was curious if I should use the HDMI out (non I2S.) or use SPIDF (Coax) to my AVR and process with its internal DAC. I am strongly considering to upgrade to a DAC with I2S in/out as well as transport with I2S? Thoughts?

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

If you are not interested in DSD, SPDIF (a good coax cable) will be more than enough. I2S is better but not miles ahead. The advantage is in fact the possibility to play DSD without the player restrictions.

@garykarczewski6678

Жыл бұрын

@@anadialog I was told the SPIDIF (coax) doesn’t provide any better digital transfer than the HDMI. I have two HDMI outputs on the 203, and could use one to a transfer to a converter box to I2s. Then go to an external tDAC that has that input. Though I have been reading measurement reviews who claim the is no audio benefit. I would like to listen to some SACD’s. Thoughts?

Hi, rewatched your great video on getting digital to analog; another good DVD-audio CD is the Beatles Love Deluxe collection; it comes with a CD and DVD-audio disc; and it is available on eBay for a little over $10. Jiles Martin has reworked the old songs to make them sound wonderful. Just wanted to share this with you. Keep up the great videos. I'm a big fan. Thanks. Jim from USA-NJ.

@anadialog

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Would the OPPO mod board give a better i2s signal than the converter box? The box does cost less, and would be easier to do.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know but I suppose so, yes. The mod should use higher quality components.

This finally made sense to me. Now the hard question, are there any SACD players currently being made that have an I2s digital output that would be compatible with the Holo May?

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Compatibility is always a mystery. The I2s of the May can be adjusted. Only a few SACD players with I2S out there, like PS Audio and Metronome...

Ciao Guido, Congrats for your youtube channel. Very well done and informative. I have purchased the converter to I2S and it works fantastic. I have a question about your beloved Oppo CD Player BDP-105D. Do you know whether the model BDP-103D is equivalent to the 105D if used only as transport or it’s different? As said I am interested to use it only as transport and connect to my Holo Audio DAC through HDMI-I2S. Grazie per il feedback!

@anadialog

3 ай бұрын

Thank you Simone! It is almost certainly the same mechanism, so used as a transport no problem. Actually with the 103D you can also use the oppomod card which should work much better than the box: www.oppomod.com/

@simonerossi2104

3 ай бұрын

Grazie Guido, thanks for the hint. You’re the best! I will think about buying the I2S card if I decide to buy the used Oppo 103D I am looking at. Would you recommend me any other CD transport instead? I am looking in the used market around $300/400 (f.i. the Marantz CD94 MK II it’s not an option since goes for around $ 800/900). Thanks again.@@anadialog

Does it need to be a dedicated "audio" HDMI out or will just a HDMI output work? Thank you!

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

A normal HDMI out will do because the signal always carries video and audio unless you have special functions limiting one or the other. For example my oppo can split the signals.

If you have an Oppo 95/105/205, save your money the DACs inside are pretty much state of the art. If you have an older player or one without a truly high quality DAC (anything that can play the format) and just send the bits to an external DAC. The real exception might be if you want to stay digital to do some Room Correction or other signal alternation, like advanced bass management. Outputting from the great DAC's of the likes of the Oppo's to high quality analogue, to then go through a ADC to do the minipulaiton which will almost always need to be done digitally, and then back through that devices DAC back to analogue, out to your pre/power amps. Each conversion form DAC -> ADC -> DAC may introduce noticeable artifacts or reduce dynamic range, raise the noise floor etc. There are a few stereo receivers/preamps/integrated amps that take HDMI or Stereo HDMI DACs that take HDMI, but not all support SACD, generally only PCM. In those cases the quality of converting from DSD to PCM inside your player and then sending them to the DAC is maybe an area for debate, and may happen automatically/transparently when using HDMI. The same with playing multichannel tracks, DD/DTS encoded or otherwise to a stereo HDMI DAC (that are without the required codecs), down conversion or just playing an available stereo track may be happening automatically from the player.

@HailKingCeezer

3 жыл бұрын

You mention one of the issues i'm currently having. I was using a McIntosh MX150 preamp for it's RoomPerfect correction, but it's always doing converting on every input including analog. I have a Denafrips Ares II that i can tell doesn't sound the same connected to the MX150. The analog sound of the r2r dac is gone. It doesn't sound bad at all, but sounds more digital. So i am testing a Pathos Cinema X all analog tube preamp. Obviously from here, i can just keep my Ares II or upgrade to I2S dac and use the Denafrips Iris and i'll have full i2s set up(PC music only). I am not sure i want to go this route due to reliability. Macs are tanks and last forever. If i were to add a ModWright Tube modded Oppo 105 to the MX150, do you think that could overcome the digital conversions inside the MX150 before returning to analog signal and give me that analog sound i seek? Thanks

@garethbarber3806

3 жыл бұрын

@@HailKingCeezer I don't know anything about analogue was digital sound, nor tubes. The stock audiophile oppos were both well regarded, well reviewed and when their analogue outputs were analysed the output they gave had higher fidelity (I. E. Analogue Output was much closer to the digital input) than any multichannel receiver or processor you can pretty much buy. So I wouldn't see the need to mod them, any addition would likely be marginal and there is a risk of deminising the the thing it already does so well. The only downside to using the oppo for its DACs either direct to power amps or a preamp that is entirely in the analogue domain, is depending on the oppo it is a source device only and doesn't have inputs, so any features e.g. room correction etc that aren't already in the oppo may be missed. The lower sound quality of other equipment may be traded off for ease of use, quality of life or room correction having a larger positive effect even with a lower fidelity base over a much higher base with stock sound that the room destroys. Of course ultimately it's your money and your device/hobby if you find something sounds better to you go for it.

@HailKingCeezer

3 жыл бұрын

@@garethbarber3806 The MX150 was a 12k machine when it came out so i'm sure the DAC is of good quality, but i don't know the details. It sounds good to me, but clearly having an influence on my external DAC. It's making my HDMI 8ch analog DAC sound better, but it's making my Denafrips Ares II sound less r2r analog and more like the digital, but clean sound of the MX150. It's making both dacs sound like it's built in DAC whether connected via multi channel analog or balanced XLR. Do you think i would be better off selling any external DAC, and investing in a DDC like the Denafrips Gaia or Iris to take my PC usb, clean the signal and convert to-say AES into the McIntosh MX150(no usb digital in) and just give the built in DAC of the MX150 the best sound i can give it? The Pathos 6ch Analog Tube Pre i have on loan is clearly of better quality for music. Far superior solid state amp and the tube pre makes all my digital music sound pleasant combined with the r2r dac. The issue is, i integrate movies. the MX150 with room perfect sounds far superior for movies-and not too bad at all with music-just more digital which my Klipsch speakers sometimes don't like. The Mac is much more reliable and easy to repair. This Pathos already needed costly repair, shipped to NY from Tx. Akready showing me a problem with the digital numbers. The Tube's also heat up my small room and make it uncomfortably hot, The Mac stays relatively cool in comparison. Sorry for the rant, i'm just searching every avenue toward a satisfactory best of both worlds situation-and i dont' want to spend unnecessary money. Thanks.

If you have an AV processor, but want to use a standalone DAC for L and R stereo chalked from your Blu ray, what is the best way to do it? Via a cable from processor to DAC, or cable from Blu ray to DAC. This home cinema lark can be so confusing.

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Cable from Bluray to DAC and the output to the AV

Does this device also make blu ray hi res audio playable through a DAC (Denefrips Pontus II)?

@anadialog

8 ай бұрын

If we are talking I2S, yes

Great Video. I have an OPPO 203 and I just purchased the Cayin IDAC 6 MKII with an I2s input. I bought one of those hdmi I2s DSD extractors from overseas and it works, but there is static background noise. Any ideas on another route i can go? The MFR of my DAC does provide the I2s pin definition, but I'm not sure if this is needed? Thanks!

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

Did tou try to use the audio only function for the HDMI output?

@11chorizo

Жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Do you mean on the Oppo? If so, yes I did.

@11chorizo

Жыл бұрын

I get audio through the DAC and the DAC says it's outputting DSD, but with music playback there is background static noise.

I just bought a Sony X700 bluray player and on the back it has to HDMI, one is labeled HDMI audio only. I am running to RCA cables to my stareo from Musou 4K HDMI Audio Extractor,HDMI to HDMI + Optical Toslink(SPDIF) + RCA(L/R) Stereo Analog Outputs Video Audio Splitter Converter Support 4k 1080P,Black . My Sony player said it is DSD 2.8 MHZ and also has the disc display that says SACD. It does not tell me it is converting this to PCM. Any ideas?

@ales3688

5 ай бұрын

I have the same problem...

Hello, based on your explanation you said that we must connect the HDMI cable to the output of my blurry to the input of my HMDI/I2S Converter, and then another HDMI cable from the output of the converter to the DAC input. However, as you also mentioned not all the DAC has HMDI input connection, so I will have to connect from the output of the converter either a SPDIF or Coaxial cable to the DAC input, if this is the case, are we going to lose quality in the sound? I have the MOON 280D DAC. Thanks for your response.

@javiervelasquez2525

2 жыл бұрын

Please, any response to my question? Thanks.

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I was away for work. No, you can't do that if you want to use also dsd. Otherwise you can just use directly spdif

@miaobinhuang2315

7 ай бұрын

Hi is simple but is confusing still don't understand as I have the same doubts as him. Is it possible for you to give us a step by step. 1)Do we connect directly from the converter to tv hdmi arc input or connect hdmi output from bluray/media player ti converter input 2) what is the next step when our dac does not has hdmi arc connection 3) Do we have to set pcm audio from the TV or we able to use back multipass/bypass to enjoy dtx etc cinematic audio formats

I'm not sure i understand exactly. Say you have a Modwright Tube Modded Oppo 105, by going HDMI out to i2s IN on the device, and HDMI out from device to I2s DAC, you're bypassing the tube outputs that were costly mods and using the other DAC? This solution is only if you don't want to use the built in Oppo dac? Another question. I mainly listen to PC audio via foobar-usb to Denafrips Ares II. I use USB and am also considering adding the Denafrips Iris which has I2S out. How would i use the device in this scenario? My PC GPU(graphics card has HDMI out). I also have a Essence Evolve II 4k HDMI DAC w/8ch analog out. -McIntosh MX150 with HDMI preamp or Pathos Cinema X analog tube pre What uses would i have for this device if i wanted a full i2s set up. Thank you.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

For the first question the answer is yes, the tubes are not used fpr the external conversion. The second has a lot of stuff. I can only say that this device requires an HDMI output at the source and a I2S on the DAC's input. The box does the conversion from one protocol to the other in the digital domain. That is it!

So with this converter i can stream Dolby truehd from my 4k blu ray player to my dac (through the iis port)? Spdif does not support truehd so this adapter could be perfect for blu ray players

@anadialog

10 ай бұрын

Well, yes for stereo via I2s or simple HDMI. For multichannel I haven't tried. It should work but clearly you need a capable DAC.

Hi Great explanation but I'm still confused. I plan on hooking up my Yamaha blue ray player (24/ 192 DAC) to my Yamaha av receiver via HDMI. The receiver has built in DAC ( all channels) 24/192. Would I still need one of these HDMI -I2S converter in the signal path? I'm only interested in audio only SACD from the blue ray player, ie 2 channel Thanks

@anadialog

21 күн бұрын

If you are using an external DAC it must have an hdmi or I2S input. If you are using the player no need for anything. Just hook up the analog rca cables to your preamp or integrated amp.

@troyvan6952

21 күн бұрын

So don't use HDMI, analog out (RCA) into one of the receivers RCA inputs. And I will have the best possible sound?

Sadly My external Teac DAC which is two times DSD for those files does not have a HDMI 12s input I have OPPO 103 player which I send the SACDS and DVD audios through HDMI to my AVR receiver . Another format that only plays on OPPO machines are HRX DVD-R from Reference recordings I send that out to my TEAC UD501 DAC SPDIF input Coaxial. It displays 176.4 sample rate at 32bit. PCM hi res . One day ill purchase the right DAC to do this but as of now the player itself would have to decode it or the AVR which has DSD single rate built in. Good video on this I "m glad I saw it.

@anadialog

7 ай бұрын

True! I forgot about HRX! Thanks for pointing that out.

How can I bypass my oppo 105D dac and connect Hegel H390? I need to watch concerts using Oppo and listen two channel through Hegel H390 dac and listen to (DSD) sacd's ... There is no I2S(iis) port in Hegel H390. Please help me..... Is there a possibility to use I2S (IIS)? Thanks!!

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately you can't. Antipiracy can be bypassed only via HDMI-IS2.

Great information, thank you! Question- I'm playing DVD-A and Blu Ray audio discs that should be hi-res (24/96), but my RME ADI-2 DAC sees it as 24/48 or sometimes 16/48. The blu ray player (Panasonic) is hooked up with optical or coax to the DAC and I get the same results. Will this I2S converter solve my problem?

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but your RME does not have I2s, right?

@cruise2023

2 жыл бұрын

ANA/DIA/LOG is correct as I have the Oppo 105 and use the RME adi2 dac to play cds. To play SACD's to an outboard dac one needs to use the convertor box and run the cable to the outboard DAC but, the DAC must have the I2S input, the RME does not unfortunately. So bugger! might have to upgrade to the Denefrips Pontus II

@cruise2023

2 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Correct, so I'm stuffed Lol! may need to upgrade to the Denefrips Pontus II

My Sony Blu Ray only has a hdmi audio out, however my DAC only accepts DSD through the usb c connection. Any idea how to connect hdmi to USB c. All the cables and converters I can find only proceed video in that direction

@anadialog

6 ай бұрын

A lot of people are in your condition but unfortunately there is no solution that I know about

Can I connect Sony UBD-X200M2 player with Denon AVR-X2700 h using third solution to get SACD playing?

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

If it has a HDMI out and the other a I2s input yes with this box

There does’t seem to be much other information out there for i2s. Thanks for making this video!

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Tom

Great video. Very informative. I'm late to this part of the game. I own an Oppo 95 paired with a PS Audio Stellar Strata. Do I need an extractor or a converter? Can you please clarify which unit is needed for my application? Ebay has a few but I don't know which one to buy. Thanks!

@anadialog

4 ай бұрын

First try, it may work just like that, if not you need a converter to I2s: something like this www.ebay.com/itm/203496436505?itmmeta=01HPYZTEY5Q4QM00QBSJZ91XR5&hash=item2f61553319:g:f00AAOSwNrBgyunf&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4L1GGt6myIFaYtXWIdg7RUZ73SRqvqTnPsyOCQasSSXQ7LSdUWlOFvAH%2BVR0hX0Zm24183lSUAP81oNhMQZciFYybjr5%2BjU6f3qQViesFFYPBICloMVUliUtRc1bW7rtz4Wa2Re4TyQ6nv%2BA8xWuHrAg8QKtpaZwvUpz%2Bl5TXeePo%2BSNyF%2FEVpSxArCp73j3YKF7Yx8vY%2FRVMs16rlHW1vUMdraZwVsTD80gH35UW%2BcFjYFR%2BO8kbGJQFXka2ZduydLvmQk2V3OijK9t7XemtkeO2MEMcaLVEty3MzColtPQ%7Ctkp%3ABFBMmu_p37dj

@davidp419

4 ай бұрын

@@anadialog Thank you. I went ahead and ordered one. A while back I spoke to PS Audio and I believe they told me I need something that would convert the signal unless the unit I had (Oppo 95) allowed for the conversion natively.

@davidp419

3 ай бұрын

Do you know why the DSD64 light keeps flashing on and off on my PS Audio Stellar Strata display after playing SACDs for a while? Could it be my cables?

Hi! I have SACDs downloaded from web in laptop and would like to pass 5.1 audio to my 5.1 Yamaha htr 3065 receiver. Using an External dac amp such as Fiio k5pro I can play stereo tracks as native dsd but no 5.1. how can I play original 5.1 tracks without filtering by my receiver? I don't care about dsd to PCM. Just want to listen to 5.1 SACDs. Thanks

@r00s.

2 жыл бұрын

Use the 5.1 out from the back of your PC into the Multi-Channel in of your Yamaha receiver

Most players like the Oppo have a separate audio hdmi output enabling you to separately access their video signal if relevant such as Blu-ray audio music video movie discs. And yes hdmi Audi out on the Oppo is not IIS

Very useful video. It is straight forward the connection from the blue ray HDMI out to the HDMI in of the box. However, the connection from the boxe’s I2S port to the DAC’s I2S port needs an special HDMI-I2S cable. it is not an standard HDMI. Which one do you recommend? I got a Gustard HDMI-I2S, would it work with the box?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, just a normal HDMI cable, I2s is a protocol, the cable is the same. This is 100% because I am currently using a normal HDMI cable.

@joseeduardomendoza3565

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Thanks for your answer. Just to be sure: Did you plug a normal HDMI cable to the converter out port and from there to the HDMI-I2S in port of the DAC? Did you get SACD quality or near to it? Have you tried an HDMI to usb converter as another way to get sound to the DAC? Thanks again.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I am currently using two normal hdmi high quality cables. When I put a SACD in my Oppo on the DAC appears DSD64, so no question! No, I haven't tried other solutions but the problem is always DSD...

@joseeduardomendoza3565

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Many thanks. I will try. Regarding the box, I found the same store in Aliexpress sales either the same box at 50 and 100 usd or they are two different boxes, but it is not clear to me what the difference is. With respect to the audio extractor, it was useful to see your video, because I was getting into the same trap. The other thing I was looking at, was using an audio video extractor to send the signal to a usb and from there to the Dac . I will tell you if I make the experiment.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Please do!

I bought a sony DVD/cd/sacd player to get into sacd for cheap. I have a topping e30 dac. The player has hdmi output, the dac does not have i2s. Is my best option for connection to just use the analog outputs on the Sony? Or would I be able to use an audio extractor to coax or optical? Does coax and optical not transmit dsd? Any help and suggestion is appreciated. Thanks.

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

Nope, you can send up to 24bit/192khz via SPDIF (I.e. coax, tosling) DSD can't go that way, only I2s. That was the main purpose of the video. So when you are using SACD just use the inner converter of the Sony and perhaps upgrade in the future to a DAC with more inputs.

@brianoldro9305

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the response. Love the videos.

I bought one of these for my Oppo blu ray player to connect to my DAC and now it is the only player I use for CDs.

@hurkamur1

3 жыл бұрын

Will the converter output sacd dsd through the optical and coaxial outputs? I was thinking of buying the denafrips ares ii, but it doesn't have a i2s input.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly no, only I2s. The problem is that SPDIF can't carry other than PCM.

@hurkamur1

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog What about the USB output on the hdmi converter? Will the converter output dsd through the USB out?

@eduardopuebla2246

2 жыл бұрын

@@hurkamur1 Nop

Dear, thanks for your time. In my case I would like to send sound from a DVD or Blueray ( i have to buy it) , using it as a CD player, because: I have a bose solo 15 soundbar with 1 RCA input that I use for the vinyl tray and 1 optical input + 1 coaxial input free. And I wanted to add a dvd o br as a cd player. Will the sound be reproduced smoothly via the optical output?

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Probably no, because that way you are going to use the DAC of the soundbar, which is probably inferior to the player.

@gonzaloviramonte

2 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog sorry, I do not understand. It probably doesn't sound good or will it sound right? The other alternative is to put a mixer, which I don't want.

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

I am afraid that if you use the optical connection it will sound worse. You could insert a passive switch, so you can connect 2 or more devices to the soundbar. I made a video on this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/na6ly7WKesXPgbQ.html

@gonzaloviramonte

2 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog thanks for your time

Hello, it looks like this i2s extractor is no more available on any marketplace... Can you find it anywhere? I'm in italy.Thanks

@anadialog

5 ай бұрын

Of course, just need to search for HDMI I2S: www.ebay.com/itm/403404943886?hash=item5deccef20e:g:5acAAOSwXqhh3Z-f&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4C3nD0finZU%2F7N2vYDtgta7tuLY%2FarNzM3i7jOGk1e46nzEIdxpQCju3yybPLRz9KWU4GVpOC%2BpxeDcQFIY4bUwqwB7veY6AfolFoiAGFU9q5u9G0fClKwxrxjOhX1nIFgbJ95ZyKjg%2BAEQjUapkTNKL9v3x28seSBG3aUkMduxt9xwuR13844mW4dRz%2BlTwkBvbmQ1SEXET5Qeb%2B3jCYUGCYh3U%2B9wOFlqko7Ku6d2hbBxE8b3NoFealMD2a4dZgUHvSwm3FbdZ56kDbSVU%2FfryH5LLDWGAYOEiwlJsMDhJ%7Ctkp%3ABFBMupLpzqVj

@anadialog

5 ай бұрын

Basta cercare su ebay HDMI e I2s e ne escono a tonnellate!

Hmmm…I have a Marantz SACD 30n. This unit is also an audio streamer via HEOS. The unit has two digital output connections on the back allowing you to bypass the internal Burr/Brown DAC. They are the usual optical and s/PDIF. I learned here why (THANKS) that my 30n sends only 16/44 to my external DAC from the CD player (SACD can only be processed by the internal Burr/Brown DAC), but it will send high resolution data via streaming over the same s/PDIF cable that I have coming from the back of the 30n which is then connected to my external DAC. Has anyone used the HDMI converter with a Marantz SACD 30n? I need help and guidance. Thanks.

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

You need a I2S output to send DSD. I see an RJ45 port but that should be only for incoming streaming data and it is not I2S from what I see in the manual.

@bobb.9917

2 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog oh…I know that there is no I2S on the rear of the unit…I thought perhaps you were going inside the device and heading the I2S off at the pass! 🙂 Thanks for the input…I thinks that I see a Pi2Design Mercury Streamer in my future!

If you have a universal player and utilize the analog rca outputs into your amp, you are hearing hi rez blu ray, or sacd, or dvd-A.....no? Grazie!

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Of course, but you are using the player's internal DAC that in most cases is mediocre. That is the whole point here!

@stevedimitrakopoulos8923

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think you can call the oppo 105 DAC mediocre. by the way great video very informative.

I wonder if anyone has attempted to use PS Audio's PerfectWave SACD Transport with non-PS Audio DACs that have the I2S input?

Hi, great video that explained a lot of confusion for me! I have the Chinese box that you are showing after 7 minutes which will provides DSD on the I2S/HDMI output but does it also output I2S over the SPDIF Coax output? If so the new Cambridge Audio DacMagic 200M should work as it has SPDIF over coax! Thanks for your support!

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, no.

@titanlovemadrid6821

Жыл бұрын

For me it works also over spdif coax out. In AliExpress where I bought it, there were two versions: One with only I2S and another similar with spdif enabled. The price was higher. Around 100e. Now I play over an old pioneer bdp 160-k, native dsd to my topping e70 over coaxial. For me the sound is amazing, compared to CD. (I never heard SACD before). My dac displays dsd 2,8 Mhz(DSD 64). It took me a while to manage to get the native dsd stream out of the player. After a factory reset and to set the resolution of the video output to the minimum, the hdmi outputs also the wanted dsd stream! I will try also some dvd-Audio. My old CDs also sounded much better, then the day I decided to store them in a box. Now I will recover some special CDs, even if Apple Music streams lossless and Hi-Res. The nostalgic part is also important!

Always bitstream SACD/DSD 5.1 hdmi to hdmi AV Receiver. SACD/DSD 2.0 dmi to hdmi AV Receiver to Stereo 2.2. Normal CD over hdmi to 2.2 in AV Receiver is better than use RC analog or fiber/coax. But the AV Receiver must have good DAC/internal setup :) Hdmi has great bandwidth and is noiseless - true digital from source to DAC. I use Pioneer LX800 UHD player for the CD's.

@beer_goggler

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, I’m thinking of a similar setup. Does the LX800 output DSD over HDMI? And then the receiver supports DSD decoding? Seems a simple way to solve the problem.

@oskarasgeirsson3169

3 жыл бұрын

@@beer_goggler Hi, Yes, if it is setup in bitstream output mode.

How about Oppo Audiocom 105d vs SONY CDP-X7ESD ???

what's diff between your solution to connect tosilnk direct from my sacd to dac? I can connect my bluay sacd throw hdmi earc in my bluesoud

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

This is the only way to send DSD, through I2s.

@digianalogy4444

Жыл бұрын

@@anadialog need help plz, today my sacd connect directly hdmi to tv , but the tv connect to blusound dac with hdmi arc. how can I connect the extractor adapter.? thanks

Would this work with SACD playback from a PS3? I have a gustard dac

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Can't be 100% sure but I think that the box would work! It's an HDMI output and a I2s input, that is all you need.

I was looking for a HDMI to USB box, but haven’t come across one. Sadly my DAC doesn’t have I2S and I don’t fancy upgrading. I’m really pleased with the Denafrips Ares II

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

It's is only a part of the video. The good of this little box is that it can 100% send the digital signal also via SPDIF. Obviously you would like to send also DSD and that is why you need USB. Have you tried a normal HDMI to USB converter?

@shahidyt

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog No I haven’t tried a converter, great idea

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Just the normal 20$ cable-like transformer like this one: www.amazon.com/Pradory-Directly-Streaming-Conference-Broadcasting/dp/B08MTP5BRT/ref=mp_s_a_1_26?dchild=1&keywords=hdmi+to+usb&qid=1605970004&sr=8-26

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Give us feedback if you do!

My sincere congratulations on your site which is very useful to me. You convinced me to purchase SKW OCC copper cables. I have made the latest upgrade to my system which includes an OPPO 103 player, a Denafrips Ares 2 DAC, a Hegel H190 amplifier and Focal Aria 926 speakers. I often listen in 24 bits / 96kHz, but my preference is the DSD format which I read from files purchased on HDtracks, NativeDSD and formerly Acoustics sound. I also listen to SACDs. Here are some questions: 1. My DSD files are read by my Asus computer and the JRiver Media Center 28 software via a 1.5m usb-A / usb-B SKW cable connected to the Denafrips. This carries the decoded signal by xlr wires to my Hegel. Is this the right material to take advantage of my files? 2. By connecting the coaxial output of the Oppo 103 to the coaxial input of my Denafrips dac, the Oppo will directly send the digital signal of the 16-bit CDs to my dac which will decode them and bypass the dac of the Oppo. This is it? 3. If I play a SACD disc through my Oppo 103, will it route the digital signal through the coaxial socket in DSD or PCM? 4. How do I get the most out of SACDs and my Denafrips dac without compromising playback of regular 16-bit discs? Thank you very much for your precious help. My audiophile listening will be greatly improved.

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Here are my answers: 1- perfect! 2 - yes 3 - unfortunately no, DSD does not travel via SPDIF (including coax) 4 - for SACD you need to use the box in the video if the denafrips has a I2s input or an Oppo mod that I have linked in video description

Very good from Pioneer UDP - LX 500

@anadialog

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

Just bought a Topping d10s and cannot figure out how to connect to my Av receiver.. Would really appreciate some help.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Just connect the line out to an input of you receiver (rca cables). Obviously you must feed a digital signal to the toppig, USB is best.

@BlazingLove316

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Cool got it thank you

What if my SACD only has analog RCA and also digital coax? The digital coax only works when I play Redbook CD and not SACD. Am I out of luck? Thanks!

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I am afraid so, you need hdmi...:-( Coax us SPDIF and the internal protocol does not allow dsd...

@jasonmehlhoff8877

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog thank you!

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome!

I have the old Oppo BDP-83 player, I am using it as a transport for my SACDs and of course, could not get the native DSD signal to my Denafrips Ares II DAC, which was a bummer, as I don't care much for the Oppo internal DAC... So, what to do? I bought the GeerFab D.BOB (Digital Break Out Box). Pricey at $1000 US, but it works. I tried one of the Chinese models with no luck, so I pulled the trigger on this ridiculously priced GeerFab unit. Was it worth it? Hell yes! I now get that native DSD signal out to my Ares II DAC, and what a game changer. Everything sounds better in a good clean and clear natural way. Even the normal CD recordings sound more detailed, tightened up with deeper bass and clear midrange, the female voice sounds incredible, even on ripped recordings of a questionable source. I noticed the difference in sound quality immediately upon adding it into my system. The bass was really brought to a new level, as were the instruments, there was noticeable separation in a good way, I believe the way the engineer intended it to sound. Everything was just better, and it is all done in an unadulterated way. If you have an above average system I would recommend this pricey alternative. That is, if you are a plug and play and then forget about it kind of guy or gal. If your goal is to simply get a clean DSD recording directly to your DAC and had no luck with cheaper alternatives, get this box if you can afford it. If you enjoy ripping files and playing around with computer gear, and have the time to do all of that, I would pass and stick to what you are doing.

Can one upgrade the Oppo 203? Is it recommended?

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

I have an Audiocom signature 105D. You can, but not as audiocom. You can find mods for example use I2S connections.

Do Sony players send out SACD/DSD signal via hdmi?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know but I suppose so.

@evibes512

3 жыл бұрын

My BDP-S370 and S580 Sony Blu-Ray players do. You have to change it in the audio menu to bitstream DSD. Once set on the player my Yamaha receiver DSD light comes on and sounds great.

I don't know is the best choice but I use an old Xtreamer sidewinder 2, with a 1tb hard drive, can read 5.1 Flac files and DVD Audio ISO files and get up to 24/192 sound via hdmi to a Yamaha amplifier.

I have the OPPO BDP 83 and of course the format wars drive me nuts. Cannot stand those copyright software encryptions.

Just look out for the HDMI I2s Definitions of different manufacturers. It really annoys me sometimes, wish we could have a standard definition, for example the PS Audio one.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed!

I’m assuming this will won’t work with surround sound discs?

@anadialog

3 ай бұрын

Of course it will. All digital signals, stereo and multichannel PCM and DSD.

I have a sound bar for my audio and it sounds great coming from my 4k player ps 4 and tv

My dac dosent have an hdmi output, is there another option to do this?

@anadialog

3 ай бұрын

None! It’s a copyright protection workaround. Only other solution is to change DAC.

A high quality modern AVR is all what you need, It's a source switch, a DAC and and an amplifier, Also can connect Bluetooth, Air Play, And the most recent ones are built in phono preamp for a turntable, Yes phono preamp is back in 2020.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that AVR are rarely of high quality

@Capturing-Memories

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Not quite true, There are plenty of high quality audiophile AVR’s and they are a fraction of a power conditioner or top notch DAC prices.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Tell us some brands and models please, I am curious...

@Capturing-Memories

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog The AVR market for audiophiles was dormant for the last 15 or so years, Lately there is a resurgence among AVRs for audiophile features such as isolated ADC and DAC stages, copper chassis, phono preamp, high res upsampling....etc, I don’t have a particular model in mind but look for Onkyo, Pioneer, Marantz just to name few. Keep in mind quality depends on the power source, speakers, wires, source materials not just the AVR, It’s a whole chain of components.

@wfifa199

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Arcam

There is no i2s interconnect standard. So your HDMI to i2S converter may not work with your DAC's i2S input. As far as I know all the DACs with i2S input do use an HDMI cable but the order of the signal on the pins and perhaps voltage levels are different. Make sure the converter is compatible with your DAC.

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

You can change the configuration of the pin/signal on the May to find the correct transmission.

PS Audio transports have I2S outputs, but are expensive. It does make a difference

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed!

I have a Yamaha receiver/amp which says in the tech specs supports DSD decoding and also has HDMI input of course. If I were to get hold of a DVD player that supports outputting DSD over HDMI e.g. Pioneer DV-610AV would that be a simple way to get SACD playback using DSD?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I believe so!

Your links dont work, i bought aon and it doesn't work with my Sony X800mk2 to my ps audio dac

The easiest and least effort way to enjoy DSD or high-res audio file via an stand alone DAC is to buy music files and to play by streamer, e.g. Raspberry Pi. Extract DSF files from a SACD is an option too. By the way, I2S port pins assignment is not standard. Good luck

Saludos!! Deberías hacer alguno de tus videos en español

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Ola! Posso farli in italiano ma non in spagnolo, mi dispiace! :-)

I downloaded a 840MB dsd file ....put it on flash drive and stick it in the Panasonic DP-UB420 player in played it through my Yamaha TSR-700 reciever....connected via HDMI cable.... and the reciever was displaying 88.2 Khz Sampling Rate! Does this mean that I was actually listening to DSD using my 4k uhd player and Yamaha receiver?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

It means that it converted it to PCM

@vitalie787

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog so in other words... am I doing it right... or in order to really feel the differences it has to be done differently?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

It means that you are not listening to the real native signal, DSD. You need a different connection to bypass the security restrictions with I2s for example or, RJ42

You can also use your tv as a bridge via hdmi both ways… hdmi from player to tv hdmi and 2nd hdmi arc from tv out to Bluesound node.

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

But it's not I2S

@mden2490

Жыл бұрын

@@anadialog it is still lossless DSD?

How do I connect a sacd to a receiver?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Normal analog rca cables from the output of the player (or external DAC if you are using one) to a pair or RCA inputs of the receiver.

Очень интересно.

Simple solution: buy used Sony bdp s 790, I buy one for 50 euros and on the back you have separate HDMI for digital audio only, coaxial and optical digital out and analog out, all off this audio extraction from high res audio source is made by internal factory fited DAC. I use this Sony bl.ray.palyer mostly for AudioCD playback, internal DAC of this Sony is state of the art. High res audio? How high audio can go in any case, just enjoy good music.

Here’s my easy solution: First I download hi-res ALAC files and place them in iTunes Library. Then I play via laptop to usb DAC (OPPO-205) to Pre-Pro. That’s it. Now, multi-channel pleasure can be an ordeal to get from FLAC downloads to Pre-Pro, since my Pre-Pro is pre HDMI. So far, I have found only two solutions which deliver gaplessly. One is to put the multi-channel music on a thumb drive and play it via OPPO, or burn a DATA DVD and play it via the OPPO. The thumb drive delivers the best results yet requires about 16 laptop, TV remote, and OPPO remote actions to download and play a music purchase. Now, of course I can play multi-channel FLAC files from foobar 2000 via HDMI to OPPO but it is not glitch or dropout free.

Buy an HDMI pre-pro or receiver and enjoy stereo and multi/channel SACD. The only issue is digitally recording SACD to get the music into computer library; but, what’s the point of that? To play that file from whatever music player is on your computer requires about 16 actions no matter how you are getting the files out of the computer to DAC: usb, S/PDIF, or HDMI. It’s much more convenient to play SACDs via a Sony Universal Player’s HDMI output to an HDMI Pre-Pro or A/V Receiver, especially multichannel, which needs bass management.

Best and least expensive route to enjoy DSD Stereo SACD output is Sony UBP-X800M2 HDMI output to Marantz NR1200 Receiver, utilizing the receiver as a preamp, Total cost about$1000.

Perfect solution is the Sony X1100ES, 2HDMI Outputs (video/audio and audio alone) Coax and optical output, analogue RCA output.

@marcbegine

2 жыл бұрын

On the Yamaha RX-A3080 you have the perfect HDMI Inputs and the DAC is 384kHz and full DSD (256Mhz)

My understanding: the HDMI which has been used extensively in the A/V world will only provide at max, CD quality "digital" audio. It will never provide the DSD layer from a multi-format player where the HDMI out is a digital composite of audio and video signal. The only players that have a dedicated i2S output (which can be either HDMI cable based or CAT wire based) that can output the full DSD layer from a Super Audio CD must incorporate both an encryption that matches the decription on the DAC side. This was achieved early on by PS Audio with their CD player/transport. If you look at their current $6K SACD player, you will noticed that their i2S output only works with their own DAC,-thats because the encryption has to be maintained from the transport to the DAC, this is the agreement that was made with Sony in order to allow for the DSD layer to even leave a transport. All of the various converters that you've mentioned are only different ways of converting and moving the same low res audio format that you'd get from Toslink or SPDIF outputs of CD players.

@gregNFL

3 жыл бұрын

Incorrect. HDMI carries quad rate DSD from my Sony SACD player via HDMI to my Bryston BDA-3 DAC without any converters or other additional hardware. The current line of Sony players (700,800,900) all have HDMI video AND audio outputs. A suitable DAC like the BDA-3 that has HDMI inputs will receive that signal with the only requirement being an HDMI cable. This is why I chose the Bryston. I also feed the BDA-3 via HDMI from my PC. Same deal. The issue of CD quality HDMI out from most multi format lies in the source; the SACD player. If not licensed for high res output by Sony, as most multi format players are will rely on the DSD signal being converted to CD quality by the player’s internal DAC. It’s not a limitation of HDMI not being able to carry the signal. HDMI carries DSD fine with no need for repeaters up to something like 30 or 40 feet. The limitation comes from the manufacturer not paying Sony their fee for the proprietary tech that enables the player to output DSD legally. Patent & copy rite BS.

@HoomanR17

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregNFL looking at the spec for both the Bryston and the latest batch of Sony' CD/DVD/SACD players one doesn't get the full picture . Even if Bryston is getting 4x DSD it is still not getting straight i2s from the Sony players - that requires an i2S input and Bryston does not appear to have any.. The HDMI will send hi-res audio, higher than a CD(I stand corrected), but I wonder whether its the true DSD layer of the SACD. I'm curious, when you play a regular CD only(not SAD) on your Sony player and select the HDMI input, does your Bryston show that its decoding a DSD signal?

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I can guarantee that with the box i presented in the video a pure DSD64 signal reaches my DAC and in fact, as I have shown in the video, the DAC distinguishes the signal from PCM and DSD coming from my Oppo via HDMI.

@gregNFL

3 жыл бұрын

@@HoomanR17 The Bryston gets pure DSD from Sony’s proprietary technology via HDMI. I2S not relevant. If a CD redbook signal is sent to the Bryston it is received 44/16 but I use a higher quality transport for CD. Other manufacturers have the ability to use the Sony DSD tech but have to pay Sony licensing fees for the privilege. There is reluctance to do that apparently because the common work-around is I2S. PS Audio a good example of that. I lament the Sony of old. When they had actual Sony Stores in the wild they were peak Sony and made some really good kit. They are a mere shell of their former self in todays audiophile world. To attest, check the used market for prices on early Sony SACD & CD players. Astounding. Technics is making a re-entry to hifi and I hope Sony does too. I’d line to get a Sony DSD capable player with more attention paid to the transport. The 700-900 players are not well built but they do send pure DSD. Hope that helps.

@HoomanR17

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Did some digging and I feel I have as many questions as I have answers. You may have seen this video by Paul McGowan of PSAudio .. here is the link kzread.info/dash/bejne/qa6pm7yOgtW7iJs.html .. Here you'll see that Paul is stating that their SACD transport and that of DCS, perhaps others by now, allow for the raw digital DSD bits from the SACD layer to be sent directly to their own DAC via an encrypted I2S link. He also states that the DSD sent via HDMI(such as from Oppo or Sony player to Bryston DAC) has to be decrypted by a Sony chip that also does the D/A conversion. If it was just a matter of receiving DSD over traditional HDMI, I sense PS Audio would have done it and in this video Paul would not have taken the time to explain why they had to do it this way.. If you were to look at an Esoteric SACD transport, they too have a proprietary connection that only works with their own DAC. In your situation with the EBAY Device, I have low confidence that it has the Sony SACD decryption and D/A converter, if they did, they would have advertised it but it looks like it just converts HDMI audio signals to i2S. Certainly makes me wonder what exactly its getting from the HDMI signal.

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@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!

Would love to work with you with some DACs and Players my company carries. Tried sending you an email but it appears you haven't read them

Your starting to look like bluto from Popeye cartoon Especially with that sweater

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

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is this the new one? this decoder or bypass is t- he left and right is opposite..

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

I have no idea but it is working for everyone without modifications even though you can if you want

@bridgebolt51

3 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog yes it will work.. but the original sound from the left(source) will out on the right speaker.. thats the problem

@anadialog

3 жыл бұрын

Just reverse the pin connections.

I have SACD, can i rip it to my pc and play it via any pc player without any loses?

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

With the proper software and hardware, yes.

@bluehacker122

2 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog that is?

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

Need do check the web for a capable SACD drive and software. I know they are a few, can't remember them now...

@bluehacker122

2 жыл бұрын

@@anadialog there is a lot of speculation if SADC format is at all better than usual cd's or if its just re-mastering that adds some depth to old tunes... i cant find convincing informations about that basic argument , let alone how to properly rip that format and then listen to it... maybe its just me and using google is to hard in 21st century, so i thought id ask an expert...

@anadialog

2 жыл бұрын

I can only say that 25% of my SACD sound good, the rest is garbage IMO

My Panasonic bluray is plugged via hdmi to my tv, and then from there, toslink s/pdif to my dac

@anadialog

Жыл бұрын

Apart from the fact that you can't send DSD that way (maybe it doesn't read SACD) but my advise is to use another output if present directly connected to the DAC. TVs are extremely polluted and will degrade the sound.

@laika25

Жыл бұрын

@@anadialog Right, that's what I suspected. Thanks.