great video! however you are a dick in melee online >:O
@bubbaszn Жыл бұрын
Really surprised about your advice. Especially the part where you said the best way to be in the zone is to take 60 milligrams of adderall along with a blue m30. Never thought of mixing the two together but i’ll have to try it out. Thanks Traplord!!
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
u gotta be up all nite up off x too
@quantumpotato Жыл бұрын
"[A] ceramics teacher announced on opening day that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio, he said, would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would bring in his bathroom scales and weigh the work of the “quantity” group: fifty pound of pots rated an “A”, forty pounds a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot - albeit a perfect one - to get an “A”. Well, came grading time and a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work - and learning from their mistakes - the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay."
@djh321 Жыл бұрын
I remember one time Toph was talking about Jmook's game play and he said that Jmook is probably the best player at "looking at the screen". He clarified saying that Jmook waits until the last possible second to pick a move and reacts to what the other player is doing, and that's why he is so fast.
@AtlasSSBM
Жыл бұрын
Yeah Ibdw said that at summit too
@tubesism
Жыл бұрын
In my HEMA club, we call this “fencing with eyes open”. Same concept, except in contact sports it’s even harder because you’re getting hit by things.
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
It's good to hear that other people have also explained this. I haven't watched tournaments in a year or so, so i never noticed this
@Pwjdjskw
Жыл бұрын
@@yungtraplord8553 why not?
@PracticeMore Жыл бұрын
This unironically made me a better melee player immediately. People always talk about being present and playing mindfully, but waiting until the very last moment to commit and make decisions is truly a direct path to this state. A great insight, well done!
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you saw immediate results :D
@alejandrobermudez104
Жыл бұрын
I love the Nujabes PFP
@PracticeMore
Жыл бұрын
@@alejandrobermudez104 Thanks man, I see you are a man of culture
@mwagaha3343 Жыл бұрын
I've never played melee but this was very satisfying and entertaining to watch
@Sonnyjune69 Жыл бұрын
You’re right on the money with this. I’ve been arriving at the same conclusion recently but this video verbalizes it just right! Awesome video
@RedXLink Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie Traplord your advice is where I've found more success. I play link and Link has so many options that it is super overwhelming. So for awhile I tried coming up with optimal game plans and setups only to find that it doesn't really work at the high level. It's one's focus and decision making speed that I think is key to thriving at melee. A lot like what you said in this vid. Thank you for reaffirming for me that I'm on the right path to improvement
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
No problem redx I would love to see you win with Link you've always had a great tournament mentality and I'm sure you'll be winning things soon enough
@Baditow Жыл бұрын
this needs more views. I've always seen it this way and thought very hard on it without putting it into words. I'm going to send this video whenever I need to express these concepts 👍
@woobiehastelly Жыл бұрын
Your shield drop example blew my mind! Thanks for such an interesting video.
@benmcgiggles7655 Жыл бұрын
This is actually exactly how I try and play, so its good to hear that it's good from someone else
@MrMdhoward5Ай бұрын
What usually get me playing well is just to start playing as fast as I can
@sunflowertheog Жыл бұрын
the most badass thing you've ever posted
@micahbernard2532 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely great advice that I needed to hear as a fox main who often resorts to spamming fastfall ariels after awhile, also sick combos for background footage. I think I'll have to watch this video a couple more times to instill the message but thank you so much.
@choknater Жыл бұрын
this is fantastic. you heard me vent/complain about how azel always has the edge on me bc he's reacting faster or something. while that may be true, he was also employing this strategy you were talking about. i started implementing it more recently & it really works. i tend to overthink & plan too much and it ends up working against me, a lot of the time i can just wait just a little bit more and an opening just appears, and sometimes it's more educated guesswork than a real reaction
@thesuntitan Жыл бұрын
This is really solid advice, and the gameplay is fire too
@tupi9999 Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite combo video :)
@Laxhax123 Жыл бұрын
Great mentality video! Some times I catch myself trying to play good and just becoming worse. At those points I just try to play and think faster!
@derek4111993 Жыл бұрын
Honestly thought I was listening to ginger at first haha
@Rez_972 ай бұрын
Bro is teaching me how to hit consecutive black flashes 😂😂
@BowWowBowser Жыл бұрын
Rad vid, am a firm believer of the ZONE and speed over quality
@FootLooseAngel Жыл бұрын
Ive always relied heavily on setplay to cover options and make decisions. If you prioritize stage control and get good at setting up favorable/familiar situations/interactions, you can have answers for every decision tree in that situation. Some of the examples you made of making faster decisions like doing an unsafe multishine isnt necessarily making a real decision, its having a good/consistent option to throw out when you dont have a more decisive option. Theres nothing wrong with having those as tools, but they dont add up to a competent playstyle. They're more for filling the holes you have in your game. More patient players can, and will pick you apart if your entire game is made up of quick actions and speedy button presses. Although I disagree with you, Im glad content like this is being produced and getting people to think deeper about the game and discuss more
@norcalquas Жыл бұрын
Thank you Traplord, very cool!
@meb_867Ай бұрын
I hit my first double shine with falco today, and in order to do it i felt my eyes glaze over and I dropped 30 iq points
@Urged1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Traplord 🔥
@hunter_20683 ай бұрын
More Melee educational content please 🙏
@zacharysteele Жыл бұрын
love this!!
@Slatanata22 Жыл бұрын
This is a good conversation
@trime10155 ай бұрын
I play like this all the time, but when I clicked I expected this video to be about the actual "zone". Personally, I can tell the difference between this and what I experience when I'm entering the zone, in which my body decides to completely take over and my brain decides to make me feel like a god among men. What you are describing seems to be more like a weaker version of applied option knowledge and intuition. It's really hard to describe the difference for me, because I assumed it'd be the same for others ^^'
@yungtraplord8553
4 ай бұрын
that's beast bro
@latinobacon Жыл бұрын
now I wont overshoot dair mindlessly ill shoot a laser or double jump back
@Agent7300 Жыл бұрын
great vid
@JaCrispySSB Жыл бұрын
This concept also works really well for ultimate players. I play fox and I want to overwhelm them with buttons. However I wait to press the button until I see what the opponent does to know which button would be the best to extend my advantage state. While doing this tho I really focus on what buttons WILL get me punished so I know not to press those for sure
@Marcus-uz1mr
Жыл бұрын
do you think it applies to slower characters as well? wanna start doing this but not sure if it'll work/benefit my character
@liamm113
Жыл бұрын
@@Marcus-uz1mr was literally abt to comment sumn similar. this guy prolly gets much more out of it with fox especially, bc his ability to get more out of it with a faster chr is greater. but I'm sure chr specific tech can also help. who do you play?
@JaCrispySSB
Жыл бұрын
@@Marcus-uz1mr I think slower characters benefit from it as well but faster characters do benefit more. For example, if your playing Gannon and your about to land on somebody. Your intention may be to land with an attack. However while your falling you notice they shield. If your super close to them the option you shouldn’t do is forward air because you’ll likely get shield grabbed or another punish. Nair is pretty safe and has 2 hits in case they drop shield on the first one. Side b with grab out of the shield. So just in the few frames it took for your opponent to run up shield while your were in the air your options risk reward changed immensely. You don’t need to pick the best option, just not the worse one. If you would have thrown out forward air with out waiting to see what the opponent did you would have gotten punished. If you waited and reacted to shield you could have picked an option the wouldn’t have gotten punished or punished as hard
@Marcus-uz1mr
Жыл бұрын
@@JaCrispySSB ooh thanks for the detailed reply! i think i know how to approach this concept better now. much appreciated
@Marcus-uz1mr
Жыл бұрын
@@liamm113 i play seph/diddy atm! i think i have a general idea of how it apply this with diddy since he's pretty fluid, but seph feels a lot more linear/commital. im gonna try what op said in his reply to me but instead of replacing ganon fair with nair, i think ill replace seph fair with empty hop on reaction
@mire_cs Жыл бұрын
good shit traplord
@japaroads Жыл бұрын
Fucking sick, thanks
@stayontrack Жыл бұрын
Where does patient play fit into this? Is the decision to be patient and to for example dash dance for a while also one the many as quick as possible decisions you should make?
@dirtydard4870
Жыл бұрын
Patience is exactly what he's advocating, but it shouldn't be taken to mean that you should be passive. Adding in a bit of dash dancing as a timing mixup or to bait an action from your opponent is part of waiting until the last moment to commit to a decision, but how long and how far you dash dance is dictated by the necessity of the situation and not by an arbitrary need to "be patient." If your dash dance doesn't feel threatening to the opponent, then it isn't properly backed by punishing attacks. It is one of those many quick as possible options
@danielbojkovski723 Жыл бұрын
Damn he really made all those people ragequit right after the combo ended
@bobpie7
Жыл бұрын
Nah he probably used Clippi to sort thru his replays and stitch them together
@danielbojkovski723
Жыл бұрын
@@bobpie7 yeah ik lol
@razztash9440 Жыл бұрын
good video
@Emperorerror Жыл бұрын
This makes sense, but what I don't understand is, "How does one make faster decisions?"
@trejohnson7677 Жыл бұрын
I guess you apply this philosophy to your rhetoric practice as well.
@starfox300 Жыл бұрын
so the solution is just to wait until the last possible moment?
@bootleg6595 Жыл бұрын
how to play in the zone: play good players
@wearbroom Жыл бұрын
I feel like this is not true this is a very body playstyle type. there are multiple top pros in melee who grind interactions over and over again for example armada leffen ibdw all lab monsters and yeah this can work i hear mango talk about not thinking im his games but everyones different and this mindset isnt a catch all.
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
That's fair, I just don't think it makes sense to take that approach until you're already quite good at the game
@wearbroom
Жыл бұрын
@@yungtraplord8553 i think the second half of the video was very good and useful i just didnt like the implication that labbing is a waist of time when labbing is very useful imo
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
@@wearbroom it's not useful if you don't have a solid foundation of game understanding. This video was targeted at mediocre players, not people who know what they're doing.
@PracticeMore
Жыл бұрын
I actually think they are not exclusive strategies. Grinding interactions is important because it fills out the “black boxes” in your knowledge so that you are aware of the answers to different situations. If you don’t understand a particular interaction, no matter how present you are you won’t have the answer and it will cause a “break” in your flow
@bobbybill1773
Жыл бұрын
@@wearbroom he didn't imply labbing is a waste. If it's all you do, and you never integrate that muscle memory or practice into a flow state, you're an insect in human form.
@WillyMacShow Жыл бұрын
It’s good advice but it’s only applicable to people that are comfortable in their movement. For the rest us getting stuck in dash it’s all about the cheese 🧀 😎
@GraViTyAboVe Жыл бұрын
Duuuuuuh whut???
@gibransalazar77693 ай бұрын
Me as a puff player taking notes Be fast lol
@maplesalt148224 күн бұрын
Lol no way am I listening to some gold 1 falcon player
@yungtraplord8553
12 күн бұрын
top 50 omegalul
@HL-iw1du2 ай бұрын
Meaningless.
@khmer5o3 Жыл бұрын
but the best players are one of the most motivated to improve. sounds like your projecting and biased. horrible take, see ya, no need to finish the video.
@HerpIHazDerpies
Жыл бұрын
Lmao how can you call a video bad without finishing it? You’re one to call someone “biased and projecting” lol your insecurity is showing
@chullupa
Жыл бұрын
@@HerpIHazDerpies failed attempt at trolling, don't interact
@RandomDude647
Жыл бұрын
found the dunkey fan
@jacklikesrocks
Жыл бұрын
One of the more pathetic comments i've seen.
@maxdehoyos9920
Жыл бұрын
Why do you think his video would be better if he talked about motivation
@MonumentalDong Жыл бұрын
Trap lord this was some advice thanks man
@supahotwasabi Жыл бұрын
Advice I've never heard b4, tbh.. but it sounds legit so Imma try it and come back to tell u the results Old Freepeasant
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great video! however you are a dick in melee online >:O
Really surprised about your advice. Especially the part where you said the best way to be in the zone is to take 60 milligrams of adderall along with a blue m30. Never thought of mixing the two together but i’ll have to try it out. Thanks Traplord!!
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
u gotta be up all nite up off x too
"[A] ceramics teacher announced on opening day that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio, he said, would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would bring in his bathroom scales and weigh the work of the “quantity” group: fifty pound of pots rated an “A”, forty pounds a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot - albeit a perfect one - to get an “A”. Well, came grading time and a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work - and learning from their mistakes - the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay."
I remember one time Toph was talking about Jmook's game play and he said that Jmook is probably the best player at "looking at the screen". He clarified saying that Jmook waits until the last possible second to pick a move and reacts to what the other player is doing, and that's why he is so fast.
@AtlasSSBM
Жыл бұрын
Yeah Ibdw said that at summit too
@tubesism
Жыл бұрын
In my HEMA club, we call this “fencing with eyes open”. Same concept, except in contact sports it’s even harder because you’re getting hit by things.
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
It's good to hear that other people have also explained this. I haven't watched tournaments in a year or so, so i never noticed this
@Pwjdjskw
Жыл бұрын
@@yungtraplord8553 why not?
This unironically made me a better melee player immediately. People always talk about being present and playing mindfully, but waiting until the very last moment to commit and make decisions is truly a direct path to this state. A great insight, well done!
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you saw immediate results :D
@alejandrobermudez104
Жыл бұрын
I love the Nujabes PFP
@PracticeMore
Жыл бұрын
@@alejandrobermudez104 Thanks man, I see you are a man of culture
I've never played melee but this was very satisfying and entertaining to watch
You’re right on the money with this. I’ve been arriving at the same conclusion recently but this video verbalizes it just right! Awesome video
Not gonna lie Traplord your advice is where I've found more success. I play link and Link has so many options that it is super overwhelming. So for awhile I tried coming up with optimal game plans and setups only to find that it doesn't really work at the high level. It's one's focus and decision making speed that I think is key to thriving at melee. A lot like what you said in this vid. Thank you for reaffirming for me that I'm on the right path to improvement
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
No problem redx I would love to see you win with Link you've always had a great tournament mentality and I'm sure you'll be winning things soon enough
this needs more views. I've always seen it this way and thought very hard on it without putting it into words. I'm going to send this video whenever I need to express these concepts 👍
Your shield drop example blew my mind! Thanks for such an interesting video.
This is actually exactly how I try and play, so its good to hear that it's good from someone else
What usually get me playing well is just to start playing as fast as I can
the most badass thing you've ever posted
Absolutely great advice that I needed to hear as a fox main who often resorts to spamming fastfall ariels after awhile, also sick combos for background footage. I think I'll have to watch this video a couple more times to instill the message but thank you so much.
this is fantastic. you heard me vent/complain about how azel always has the edge on me bc he's reacting faster or something. while that may be true, he was also employing this strategy you were talking about. i started implementing it more recently & it really works. i tend to overthink & plan too much and it ends up working against me, a lot of the time i can just wait just a little bit more and an opening just appears, and sometimes it's more educated guesswork than a real reaction
This is really solid advice, and the gameplay is fire too
This is my favorite combo video :)
Great mentality video! Some times I catch myself trying to play good and just becoming worse. At those points I just try to play and think faster!
Honestly thought I was listening to ginger at first haha
Bro is teaching me how to hit consecutive black flashes 😂😂
Rad vid, am a firm believer of the ZONE and speed over quality
Ive always relied heavily on setplay to cover options and make decisions. If you prioritize stage control and get good at setting up favorable/familiar situations/interactions, you can have answers for every decision tree in that situation. Some of the examples you made of making faster decisions like doing an unsafe multishine isnt necessarily making a real decision, its having a good/consistent option to throw out when you dont have a more decisive option. Theres nothing wrong with having those as tools, but they dont add up to a competent playstyle. They're more for filling the holes you have in your game. More patient players can, and will pick you apart if your entire game is made up of quick actions and speedy button presses. Although I disagree with you, Im glad content like this is being produced and getting people to think deeper about the game and discuss more
Thank you Traplord, very cool!
I hit my first double shine with falco today, and in order to do it i felt my eyes glaze over and I dropped 30 iq points
Thank you Traplord 🔥
More Melee educational content please 🙏
love this!!
This is a good conversation
I play like this all the time, but when I clicked I expected this video to be about the actual "zone". Personally, I can tell the difference between this and what I experience when I'm entering the zone, in which my body decides to completely take over and my brain decides to make me feel like a god among men. What you are describing seems to be more like a weaker version of applied option knowledge and intuition. It's really hard to describe the difference for me, because I assumed it'd be the same for others ^^'
@yungtraplord8553
4 ай бұрын
that's beast bro
now I wont overshoot dair mindlessly ill shoot a laser or double jump back
great vid
This concept also works really well for ultimate players. I play fox and I want to overwhelm them with buttons. However I wait to press the button until I see what the opponent does to know which button would be the best to extend my advantage state. While doing this tho I really focus on what buttons WILL get me punished so I know not to press those for sure
@Marcus-uz1mr
Жыл бұрын
do you think it applies to slower characters as well? wanna start doing this but not sure if it'll work/benefit my character
@liamm113
Жыл бұрын
@@Marcus-uz1mr was literally abt to comment sumn similar. this guy prolly gets much more out of it with fox especially, bc his ability to get more out of it with a faster chr is greater. but I'm sure chr specific tech can also help. who do you play?
@JaCrispySSB
Жыл бұрын
@@Marcus-uz1mr I think slower characters benefit from it as well but faster characters do benefit more. For example, if your playing Gannon and your about to land on somebody. Your intention may be to land with an attack. However while your falling you notice they shield. If your super close to them the option you shouldn’t do is forward air because you’ll likely get shield grabbed or another punish. Nair is pretty safe and has 2 hits in case they drop shield on the first one. Side b with grab out of the shield. So just in the few frames it took for your opponent to run up shield while your were in the air your options risk reward changed immensely. You don’t need to pick the best option, just not the worse one. If you would have thrown out forward air with out waiting to see what the opponent did you would have gotten punished. If you waited and reacted to shield you could have picked an option the wouldn’t have gotten punished or punished as hard
@Marcus-uz1mr
Жыл бұрын
@@JaCrispySSB ooh thanks for the detailed reply! i think i know how to approach this concept better now. much appreciated
@Marcus-uz1mr
Жыл бұрын
@@liamm113 i play seph/diddy atm! i think i have a general idea of how it apply this with diddy since he's pretty fluid, but seph feels a lot more linear/commital. im gonna try what op said in his reply to me but instead of replacing ganon fair with nair, i think ill replace seph fair with empty hop on reaction
good shit traplord
Fucking sick, thanks
Where does patient play fit into this? Is the decision to be patient and to for example dash dance for a while also one the many as quick as possible decisions you should make?
@dirtydard4870
Жыл бұрын
Patience is exactly what he's advocating, but it shouldn't be taken to mean that you should be passive. Adding in a bit of dash dancing as a timing mixup or to bait an action from your opponent is part of waiting until the last moment to commit to a decision, but how long and how far you dash dance is dictated by the necessity of the situation and not by an arbitrary need to "be patient." If your dash dance doesn't feel threatening to the opponent, then it isn't properly backed by punishing attacks. It is one of those many quick as possible options
Damn he really made all those people ragequit right after the combo ended
@bobpie7
Жыл бұрын
Nah he probably used Clippi to sort thru his replays and stitch them together
@danielbojkovski723
Жыл бұрын
@@bobpie7 yeah ik lol
good video
This makes sense, but what I don't understand is, "How does one make faster decisions?"
I guess you apply this philosophy to your rhetoric practice as well.
so the solution is just to wait until the last possible moment?
how to play in the zone: play good players
I feel like this is not true this is a very body playstyle type. there are multiple top pros in melee who grind interactions over and over again for example armada leffen ibdw all lab monsters and yeah this can work i hear mango talk about not thinking im his games but everyones different and this mindset isnt a catch all.
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
That's fair, I just don't think it makes sense to take that approach until you're already quite good at the game
@wearbroom
Жыл бұрын
@@yungtraplord8553 i think the second half of the video was very good and useful i just didnt like the implication that labbing is a waist of time when labbing is very useful imo
@yungtraplord8553
Жыл бұрын
@@wearbroom it's not useful if you don't have a solid foundation of game understanding. This video was targeted at mediocre players, not people who know what they're doing.
@PracticeMore
Жыл бұрын
I actually think they are not exclusive strategies. Grinding interactions is important because it fills out the “black boxes” in your knowledge so that you are aware of the answers to different situations. If you don’t understand a particular interaction, no matter how present you are you won’t have the answer and it will cause a “break” in your flow
@bobbybill1773
Жыл бұрын
@@wearbroom he didn't imply labbing is a waste. If it's all you do, and you never integrate that muscle memory or practice into a flow state, you're an insect in human form.
It’s good advice but it’s only applicable to people that are comfortable in their movement. For the rest us getting stuck in dash it’s all about the cheese 🧀 😎
Duuuuuuh whut???
Me as a puff player taking notes Be fast lol
Lol no way am I listening to some gold 1 falcon player
@yungtraplord8553
12 күн бұрын
top 50 omegalul
Meaningless.
but the best players are one of the most motivated to improve. sounds like your projecting and biased. horrible take, see ya, no need to finish the video.
@HerpIHazDerpies
Жыл бұрын
Lmao how can you call a video bad without finishing it? You’re one to call someone “biased and projecting” lol your insecurity is showing
@chullupa
Жыл бұрын
@@HerpIHazDerpies failed attempt at trolling, don't interact
@RandomDude647
Жыл бұрын
found the dunkey fan
@jacklikesrocks
Жыл бұрын
One of the more pathetic comments i've seen.
@maxdehoyos9920
Жыл бұрын
Why do you think his video would be better if he talked about motivation
Trap lord this was some advice thanks man
Advice I've never heard b4, tbh.. but it sounds legit so Imma try it and come back to tell u the results Old Freepeasant