Why Running Used To Be Bad In Melee

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  • @bigdogzantho
    @bigdogzantho5 ай бұрын

    For people commenting about the interpolation yes, it does look off. Was just a misclick and premiere isn't exactly the best at previewing effects like that. We go next.

  • @davemarx7856

    @davemarx7856

    4 ай бұрын

    Keep playing with it. If ai interpolation can make Twinkle Nora Rock Me look okay, it can make old games look smooth too.

  • @lesternomo6578

    @lesternomo6578

    4 ай бұрын

    @@davemarx7856 *loud incorrect buzzer*

  • @jhammylive
    @jhammylive5 ай бұрын

    learning to play with and around crouch cancel is definitely the hurdle for us oldheads to get over. a big part of me still feels like i’m laming someone out

  • @SSJPENGUIN

    @SSJPENGUIN

    5 ай бұрын

    Similar timeline as shield grabbing for me: •Learned to shield grab/CC •felt busted +fraudulent •went against players aware of it •they made cc/shield grab feel redundant + immediately clocked I was dependent on it

  • @rayzorium

    @rayzorium

    5 ай бұрын

    As an oldhead with hands that barely work these days, I was so effective against young bloods for a probably totally unfair timespan/effort spent beacause I literally just always braindead hold down when I'm about to get hit at low% and basically always have, lol. Not because of a galaxy brain either, I would also usually shield, so really I'd only get something off a shield poke or if my shield didn't come up in time. But in any case, everyone does it better than me now so I wouldn't have shit even if I still played. It's just funny looking back at the "that only worked because you're better than me" complaints when I grabbed them out of something I "shouldn't" have and seeing that it was at least somewhat based on something legit.

  • @im4everskilled

    @im4everskilled

    5 ай бұрын

    Take hit on laser from falco, oof still I can’t get used to it

  • @tiporandom1452

    @tiporandom1452

    5 ай бұрын

    That's a loser's way of thinking, and the lamest way of thinking by far. The point of the game is to win not to "not be lame"

  • @kaptep01

    @kaptep01

    5 ай бұрын

    @@tiporandom1452true, but some people would rather not play at all than to play “lame”, whatever the subjective definition they have of that word is lol

  • @JonnyfromElma
    @JonnyfromElma5 ай бұрын

    I think a big reason a lot of top players felt safe to practice more crouching and running options was no longer having to fight Armada in bracket runs. Peach blender is very real and even with his Fox, Armada was intimately aware of this mechanic and used it to his advantage as early as 2014 or maybe sooner.

  • @chrisdrums1910

    @chrisdrums1910

    4 ай бұрын

    I actually thought the same thing when armada retired

  • @JokerKellz
    @JokerKellz5 ай бұрын

    Not a lot of people could go into as much depth into something as trivial as SDI down/crouching being more offensive than defensive. You have great knowledge, unique commentary and great editing. Don't be surprised if you gain a lot of popularity on your next video. The effort put in is worth well more than the wait. Put school first and we'll all be here whenever you have the time to work on another project!

  • @iRaz_GG
    @iRaz_GG5 ай бұрын

    My brain is bigger now. Thanks

  • @ToThePowerOfX
    @ToThePowerOfX5 ай бұрын

    Great vid! one thing I do wish ppl acknowledged more though is the difference between ASDI down and Crouch Cancel. You can only Crouch Cancel in the crouch animation. All that Crouch Cancel does is reduce knockback. ASDI down is what lets you be actionable immediately out of getting hit. Of course when you CC you are automatically doing ASDI down as well, but not necessarily the other way around! Yes you can cancel the run animation into crouch quite quickly but if you are getting hit out of run you are not CCing you are just doing ASDI down. I think the difference is important for people learning the game to understand so we shouldn't be using the terms interchangeably as it just gives people a slightly wrong understand of such an important mechanic to the game.

  • @professorc-dawgscastle8591

    @professorc-dawgscastle8591

    5 ай бұрын

    I was kinda confused about that too, the video sorta lumps them in as one thing. Also, can you use the left stick to ASDI? For whatever reason, I thought you have to use the C-Stick to ASDI

  • @NinjaLobsterStudios

    @NinjaLobsterStudios

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@professorc-dawgscastle8591 I believe you can ASDI with the control stick, but the game prio's the c-stick if you are holding it. But the main reason ppl use the c-stick is because it's a better option select

  • @professorc-dawgscastle8591

    @professorc-dawgscastle8591

    5 ай бұрын

    @@NinjaLobsterStudios Ah, that seems to make sense. Thanks for clarifying :)

  • @kevindhir
    @kevindhir5 ай бұрын

    This was an insanely good video. I sat down with Wizzy and played friendlies (Puff vs Falcon) for like an hour at Genesis, and afterwards while he gave me tips one of the big things was 'I think one of the big things you can do more is hold down/crouch more between things, when you look at good players they're always holding down', and then watching this was a spot on example of him holding down well. Keep it up!

  • @kardar233

    @kardar233

    4 ай бұрын

    That just makes me think of that one summit sketch where Joshman is teaching Null how to get better at Melee and the answer is just… hold down

  • @tetermc
    @tetermc5 ай бұрын

    Don't think I didn't recognize the Plok boss battle music. Respect+

  • @electroflame6188
    @electroflame61884 ай бұрын

    Clearly, the next adaptation is to go Peach

  • @MemoMan217
    @MemoMan2175 ай бұрын

    Great work! You broke down melee's mechanics in such a digestible way, and the topic of the video was very interesting. Keep doing what you're doing.

  • @spaceace9103
    @spaceace91035 ай бұрын

    Great video, the visuals and writing did a great job at explaining these mechanics

  • @jehutyinp
    @jehutyinp5 ай бұрын

    Amazing video this is awesome!!! You articulated it well! Provided enough context without getting too long a videouah muah chefs kiss

  • @Innaething9
    @Innaething95 ай бұрын

    Yo thank you for the very cool and short video. Really appreciate that you were straight to the point, no fat to cut, enjoyable start to finish

  • @ThatLazyTurtle
    @ThatLazyTurtle5 ай бұрын

    Keep it up boss man! The story telling gets better every video!

  • @jonesy2009
    @jonesy20095 ай бұрын

    I think you just made me understand the utility of CC as Fox, great work

  • @StudebacherHoch
    @StudebacherHoch5 ай бұрын

    Good content! Very insightful look into how proactive defense is one of melee's best qualities.

  • @vax.8491
    @vax.84912 күн бұрын

    cave story music jumpscared me, two of my favorite forms of media combines into one video this is peak

  • @spaghettiking7312
    @spaghettiking73124 ай бұрын

    The peasant runs. The gentleman wavedashes.

  • @wsawbi6402
    @wsawbi64024 ай бұрын

    Awesome video mate! This is a topic I would expect Asumsaus to discuss in a video. Keep up the great work

  • @PlayerOnePenguin
    @PlayerOnePenguin5 ай бұрын

    sick vid. wishing you luck, hope you become one of melee's youtubers so we have more then just Walt and Asus, no disrespect to them my melee content thirst can never be quenched.

  • @evanjohnson9086

    @evanjohnson9086

    5 ай бұрын

    check out melee stats, and also melee moments for a newer & more consistent asus style youtuber!!

  • @PlayerOnePenguin

    @PlayerOnePenguin

    5 ай бұрын

    @@evanjohnson9086 tyty for the suggestions. 👍🏻opened up both their channels to binge tomorrow.

  • @sickteej

    @sickteej

    5 ай бұрын

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  • @MagnusReardon
    @MagnusReardon5 ай бұрын

    Dope video ur 100% About cc changing the game in a good way, I always thought it was bad because when I think of CCing is the samus sitting in the corner

  • @math8755

    @math8755

    5 ай бұрын

    I also though cc'ing was gonna degenerate the game, I remember a couple of mango streams/videos where he shared that though too. I think what ended up happening is that people (top player mainly) just adjusted to It making the game its just a deeper rock-paper-scissor. I don't see any universal mechanic having a similar effect on the future other than power shielding, I really thought that after what Lod showed (tilt-smash-special out of power shield) when he went balls deep a while ago it would be similar to shield-drops and CC's had done in the last 10 years.

  • @ln8496

    @ln8496

    5 ай бұрын

    @@math8755with no crouch canceling you can just jab every shield in the game the game would have died before brawl came out

  • @kingjaiber
    @kingjaiber5 ай бұрын

    Never knew this could be such an interesting topic. Great video my man

  • @mervynlouis3875
    @mervynlouis38755 ай бұрын

    Really good video! I'm glad the algorithm blessed me with this one

  • @monsterhousecop2082
    @monsterhousecop20825 ай бұрын

    Awesome video man. Keep up the good work

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal5 ай бұрын

    Great video, I love the representation of cc/asdi as an offensive mechanic in contrast to the normal defensive one. I also never knew how critical it was during n0ne vs M2K at GOML. Mad respect for the music choices too, every song used here is incredible. Cave Story, Plok, and Silver Surfer are all such good soundtracks.

  • @genericcultist9640
    @genericcultist96405 ай бұрын

    Really liked this! Well done

  • @Kjyhan94
    @Kjyhan945 ай бұрын

    Ive watched most tournaments since 2014, but don't actually play melee. Before this video i knew that crouching was good, but not exactly why. This video made me learn a ton, thanks. Also that n0ne vs m2k set is one of my favorite sets i remember to this day, thank you for making me realize why n0ne won that match.

  • @mhmmmmmmm
    @mhmmmmmmm2 ай бұрын

    good content, subbed.I've always wondered why people are always mentioning CC more in the online era but this makes more sense.

  • @samasaur6068
    @samasaur60685 ай бұрын

    I'm a Samus main, I know a thing or two about crouching! 😎 But what's this run you speak of?

  • @WanderFilledWorldofMelee
    @WanderFilledWorldofMelee5 ай бұрын

    Hold down

  • @BologneyT
    @BologneyT12 күн бұрын

    PLOK! music?! :D Awesome. And thanks for making this video, too.

  • @lasagnahog7695
    @lasagnahog76955 ай бұрын

    Good video. I like the editing choice to speak to the camera for some sections.

  • @misterblue5520
    @misterblue55205 ай бұрын

    this was really cool. I have never heard someone so succinctly explain how cc has changed the meta!

  • @joemanginaa
    @joemanginaa5 ай бұрын

    Damn. Great video. Subscribed

  • @Eval999
    @Eval9995 ай бұрын

    YESSIR. Crouch Cancel existing is mega key to why we have a really solid and consistent solo Fox at #1.

  • @ihartcrackers
    @ihartcrackers4 ай бұрын

    Great vid! Keep it up 👍

  • @mandalorianhunter1
    @mandalorianhunter15 ай бұрын

    Nice work I love the meta developing in old games, it's so interesting

  • @JoeDejacque
    @JoeDejacque5 ай бұрын

    Yo man, great video ! I’m a fairly low level player so appreciated the detailed breakdown

  • @PeptoAbismol
    @PeptoAbismol5 ай бұрын

    good video, informative and to the point. i will now attempt to crouch cancel a Sheik forward tilt at high percent, playing as Falcon.

  • @ArtemisGlitch
    @ArtemisGlitch5 ай бұрын

    Good vid, this is called Cactus dashing invented by Cactuar. He taught me this back in 2010.

  • @samwisedidier7312
    @samwisedidier73125 ай бұрын

    Great Video, subbed!

  • @donkylefernandez4680
    @donkylefernandez46804 ай бұрын

    The biggest part of the "no fear" playstle is NOT BEING AFRAID of making small trades for big ones. Heavy weights like bowser and lil mac understand this innately because of their armor. What every character doesn't know is that they HAVE positive trade potential, they just have to look a little, in Saiyan to do so.

  • @Dunskies118
    @Dunskies1185 ай бұрын

    this is a great video, good job sr.

  • @tropcr
    @tropcr5 ай бұрын

    This is such a dope video!! Really well informed, and just shows how fucking sick melee is. Good shit

  • @chrisszeszycki6716
    @chrisszeszycki67164 ай бұрын

    Excellent analysis as always

  • @Scutl108
    @Scutl1085 ай бұрын

    Great vid!

  • @danielfrydman1136
    @danielfrydman11365 ай бұрын

    good video, never thought about run like that

  • @machuachoo2241
    @machuachoo22415 ай бұрын

    love this video!!❤

  • @koulam
    @koulam5 ай бұрын

    I love how crouch cancel made melee a game with dept defensively. Just as the other FGCs with "do you need to block high or low", now in melee there is that "do you gonna crouch cancel the light move or shield the heavy move".

  • @counterpicky
    @counterpicky4 ай бұрын

    Great video - for sure pre-pandemic crouch cancel was definitely more defensive as a technique, as people were using it more to counter approaches, resulting in people dash dancing and carefully spacing even more But as players have gradually got even faster in the post-slippi era, weaving in little down presses into your gameplay in all sorts of spots has made crouch cancel an integral part of fluid, generallt agressive gameplay. The Wizzy and Cody examples you provided are pretty different use cases, but flowing between one and the other is becoming a hallmark of top level gameplay and for sure will be integral to the game going forward. We truly never know where the meta is gonna go next!

  • @tufflings
    @tufflings5 ай бұрын

    such a wonderful video

  • @MrLoisix
    @MrLoisix5 ай бұрын

    Great video keep it up ✌🏼

  • @KINGTONY6
    @KINGTONY65 ай бұрын

    Love the Follin bangers in the background

  • @samner9215
    @samner92155 ай бұрын

    Dude nice video

  • @6kisstybg536
    @6kisstybg5365 ай бұрын

    sick vid very informative

  • @leashwolves9355
    @leashwolves93555 ай бұрын

    good video

  • @SSJPENGUIN
    @SSJPENGUIN5 ай бұрын

    Couple times I've wondered how Ultimate would be if it had Crouch Cancelling

  • @andrewferguson6901
    @andrewferguson69015 ай бұрын

    Dash forward crouch dash forward is my favorite way of crossing people up, never fails

  • @taylorbee4010
    @taylorbee40105 ай бұрын

    Guile: Ah, I see you’re men of culture as well.

  • @strabisamuslestrabisamus2396
    @strabisamuslestrabisamus23965 ай бұрын

    Nice vid

  • @tannerarmstrong1496
    @tannerarmstrong14964 ай бұрын

    Before the 5 gods of Melee began their reign of terror over the world of Smash Brothers, one player named Isai achieved legendary status before anyone else and for a time was thought to be the best in the world. When asked to share his secret of success his response was simple... "don't get hit." This philosophy was adopted by his friend and successor Ken, and was later perfected by the 5 gods. It's taken decades, but Melee is finally beginning to evolve past that simple rule.

  • @RandomDude647
    @RandomDude6475 ай бұрын

    the laggy run turnaround animation is my least favorite thing about smash's movement. i wish you could just dashdance at any distance and that animation just didnt exist

  • @snoopyguy21

    @snoopyguy21

    4 ай бұрын

    Then the game would look less natural and realistic.

  • @budgetcommander4849
    @budgetcommander48494 ай бұрын

    "Nice hitboxes. Unfortunately, minus on hit"

  • @sonictrain1
    @sonictrain15 ай бұрын

    Good video dude

  • @iiiLOBO
    @iiiLOBO5 ай бұрын

    The original down holder

  • @diegokaptain5363
    @diegokaptain53635 ай бұрын

    Very cool video

  • @eddiestilll
    @eddiestilll4 ай бұрын

    i laughed so hard at the wojak meme regarding running at your opponent in melee LMAO

  • @ackerman258
    @ackerman2585 ай бұрын

    Oh wowie I get dashdancing now thanks and ccing!

  • @xaviermcknight1510
    @xaviermcknight15105 ай бұрын

    Great video

  • @SnackMuay
    @SnackMuay5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the great video

  • @TahirHanif
    @TahirHanif4 ай бұрын

    nice video bro

  • @TylerClibbon
    @TylerClibbon5 ай бұрын

    amazing video, thank you!

  • @vanillafella4893

    @vanillafella4893

    5 ай бұрын

    yo its the guy who posted presidents playing melee

  • @TylerClibbon

    @TylerClibbon

    5 ай бұрын

    @@vanillafella4893 lol

  • @croustibatfindus6835
    @croustibatfindus68355 ай бұрын

    Nice video

  • @cfalcon8342
    @cfalcon83425 ай бұрын

    great explanation

  • @alexdougal8968
    @alexdougal89685 ай бұрын

    bronze/silver fox checking in thanks for the easy vid - helps explain why sometimes if I just rush down marth/sheik/puff I'm able to get a 30% combo

  • @RiggedandReady

    @RiggedandReady

    5 ай бұрын

    That is just fox, though. I'm a gold 3 fox and definitely not abusing asdi down like I should be🤔

  • @ellieporter3270
    @ellieporter32704 ай бұрын

    So it’s essentially just a situationally better shield. Neat.

  • @Dunjunmstr
    @Dunjunmstr3 ай бұрын

    >me:"Weren't project M players complaining about crouch cancel since 2014-2015? How'd it take this long for it to start in Melee?" >sonic-main-wizzrobe clip >narrator: "The entire stock was crouching" >me:"oh"

  • @melee9183
    @melee91835 ай бұрын

    It's called being a dirty down holder

  • @TheTechnopider
    @TheTechnopider5 ай бұрын

    Im really surprised you never brought up crouch out of run -> dash back as a dash dance extension (known as the cactuar dash) Crouching was brought up, and so was asdi down during run, but not actually crouching OUT OF RUN, which is a really big part of a lot of characters meta Being able to crouch out of run is also why foxes running shine works! Great video tho! Super enjoyable! Im just a stickler cause I'm a samus main so crouch out of run is just always on my mind haha

  • @ThirdXavier
    @ThirdXavier5 ай бұрын

    Casual/ult player opinion on Melee seems to be very anti crouch cancelling and I have trouble explaining the benefits of the mechanic, this is by far the best video I've seen on it. Really well done.

  • @surfyswag
    @surfyswag5 ай бұрын

    no-one crouches quite like wizzy

  • @zacharysteele
    @zacharysteele4 ай бұрын

    W vid unc

  • @JustHANO
    @JustHANO18 күн бұрын

    Great vid of course, but whats the name of that zain wizzrobe set? Wizzy is my favorite and i would love to watch it.

  • @mortaljason
    @mortaljason5 ай бұрын

    Make sure to tell the audience that younare telling them to keep their thumb down on c stick while they dash dance/run in

  • @Elihucamacho12
    @Elihucamacho125 ай бұрын

    Link mains have been knowing this for a while we use asdi down for a lot of things aside of cool bomb tricks

  • @chimmychuck
    @chimmychuck4 ай бұрын

    cave story music lets freaking go

  • @SoulFighter27
    @SoulFighter272 ай бұрын

    Daaaaaaamn i loved this video

  • @vercolit
    @vercolit5 ай бұрын

    Loving the cave story music

  • @swervenights
    @swervenights5 ай бұрын

    this video was amazing

  • @karelissomoved1505
    @karelissomoved15054 ай бұрын

    breaking news melee players discover running in 2016.

  • @user-86291
    @user-862915 ай бұрын

    Scrumptious

  • @theelveage
    @theelveage4 ай бұрын

    Wow good video

  • @F0rger513
    @F0rger5135 ай бұрын

    Run up crouch cancel reminds me of run up shield. Both seem like ways to turn a defensive option into an offensive advantage. I know they aren't the same mechanically but it feels like a similar philosophy behind the two.

  • @taylorbee4010
    @taylorbee40105 ай бұрын

    They used to advise not using much outside of wavedash

  • @masonmahfouz2793
    @masonmahfouz27935 ай бұрын

    Future man

  • @salvatore_slate
    @salvatore_slate5 ай бұрын

    good title

  • @Ran_rx
    @Ran_rx5 ай бұрын

    So talented.

  • @dragooon124
    @dragooon1245 ай бұрын

    You should go over how to use ASDI down. I still don't really understand how I'm supposed to use it while running

  • @gamehopper1604
    @gamehopper16044 ай бұрын

    What is the music in the background of the video? At the start

  • @kevinli4300
    @kevinli43005 ай бұрын

    Curious what’s the best way to asdi down while running, is it just holding c stick down? What if they end up not attacking you while you’re doing this? I guess you just release the stick and do your own move then?

  • @adust9996

    @adust9996

    5 ай бұрын

    Yes correct