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Would have loved to see an earth leakage test in the consumer unit while the connection was being lowered into the barrel of water

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Good idea for next time 👍

@tjmarx

Жыл бұрын

It's a paid ad. They aren't doing any genuine testing or telling you anything real about the product. They were stating manufacturer talking points. Check description

Just use a suitable IP rated box. Worked for me every job I’ve done since 2009

@tjmarx

Жыл бұрын

This is a paid ad, check the description. This video is a lie

Literally been doing outside lights with the jelly boxes today lol

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Nice work! 😃

Did they make the gelbox so that it will survive direct sunlight for outdoor low voltage connections like sprinkler systems?

Interested in using these in irrigation, to waterproof connections to solenoids/decoders in areas prone to water submersion during heavy rains. How would the gel impact electrical signals on a 39V 0.22amp DC system?

Clever stuff 👍😀👍

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

We thought so! 😃

I wish I had this about 4 months ago when I had a very very wet Wago connector doing things that would be better if it was dry.

Good for the water industry, and hardwired M-bus metering network distribution boxes.

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Interesting application. 😃

So, no product specifically with 4 connectors for 3 phase work with ground (without the waste of having unused connectors)??

I wonder about the lifespan of the gel. Depending on the chemical compounds used it might degrade over time in hot/humid environments. Any datasheets?

@tjmarx

Жыл бұрын

It's a paid ad not a genuine video. Check description

@andreasu.3546

Жыл бұрын

Google the datasheet, it says "suitable for indefinite storage". It says nothing on lifetime in operation. But then, it's a box with a gel in it, is there a difference between storage and operation? They do specify a wider temperature range in operation ( -55°C ... 80°C) vs. storage (0 .. .40 °C). So maybe it only lasts indefinitely (whatever that means) when kept within the latter temperature range? Probably hard to do if the wires are carrying any significant load. Not a great datasheet.

@tjmarx

Жыл бұрын

@@andreasu.3546 Are you sure you meant to direct that comment at me?

@Snooooozel

Жыл бұрын

hopefully ants will not love that stuff

@andreasu.3546

Жыл бұрын

@@tjmarx Nope, seems I clicked the wrong "answer" button. Fixed now.

well, a gelbox that houses 3 3 pin connectors would be great for splitting a standard 3 core cable (I'm thinking a phase, a neutral and a ground) in harsh conditions

I see the thumbnail shows twin and CPC cable used with one of these gel boxes. What stops water from tracking down the open end of the CPC sleeving outside the gel box & into the connector? Does the gel penetrate all the way inside the connector? From the part of the video showing how these are removable the gel only seems to cover to the bottom of the connectors and the CPC sleeving goes well beyond this point if you follow Wago’s strip length specification. I can see how these work on flex but on T & CPC with the CPC sleeving we use in the UK it is acting as a conduit for liquid to enter the connector.

@darylsavage119

Жыл бұрын

If its outdoors (most likely case of use) should you be using t&e? Or do you think its more likely H07Rf, hituff or SWA?

@APSuk2

Жыл бұрын

@@darylsavage119 All very good points, would be great if eFixx could answer these questions. I would not be using T&CPC outdoors as it is not rated for it. It is just the thumbnail shows these boxes being used with T&CPC and I wanted to know if that is what they are designed for? Do Wago even approve the use of such cable with this product?

@keirstitt8277

Жыл бұрын

Why would it matter if water did track into the connectors? Providing that insulation between conductors is maintained it really doesn't matter if an individual conductor is bathed in water - i guess oxidation might be a risk but not with the volume of water we'd be talking about here. He's put three connectors - one for each of L,N & CPC. each have gel between them. If say each of those three connectors was flooded with water then there still wouldn't be a conductive path between them due to the gel. And water isn't that conductive anyway - if you got a 1cm long 1mm2 tube filled with tapwater it would provide about 100kohms of resistance - now that would mean when you do an insulation test you'd know there's a problem and fail as it's

@APSuk2

Жыл бұрын

@@keirstitt8277 I would just like to know if this product is suitable for use with the cable type shown. I agree with all your points, my main concern would be corrosion and who knows how long liquid could be in contact with the connector that it could corrode the connector to such a degree that it fails and then you lose your CPC. I know a very specific circumstances but it is possible and for a product you solely install to keep water out from the connector it defeats its purpose if water can get to the connector by bypassing the gel. Nothing wrong with the product just seeking clarity on the installation method.

@keirstitt8277

Жыл бұрын

@@APSuk2 Looking at the video it's not twin and CPC. But I could imagine places where it would be approapriate to bring twin and cpc into one of of these. You could have a wispa box on an external wall with twin and cpc entering through the wall into the box where it splices to an NYYJ leaving through a gland - i've seen this quite a lot and it's perfectly fine because the twin and CPC is adequatly protected from mechanical and UV damage by the wall.

Nice didn't know Wago had these will get a load for the van

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

They are super handy aren't they? 😊

@calumclark1719

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx not half as a rule I only install ip 65 and above anywhere outside as am in shetland we have horizontal rain for 50 weeks of the year and snow and hail for the rest 😂

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

That sounds challenging and awesome, we should arrange a visit! 😃

@calumclark1719

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx yes its a great place for a summer Holiday 😂 by all means fill your boots its a challenging environment at the best of times so it's always good to have another helpful item in the van

Is it reusable?

i wonder how gel will fair with years of daily heat and cool cycle.

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty stable I believe. 🤔

F4P have been making gel boxes for years

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

There's quite a few out there but we do love a Wago. 😃

I like , what a brilliant idea, shame on wago for there prising as they are way overpriced for what they are. But I have to agree they are a fantastic bit of kit. Fantastic video as always Joe 👍👍❤️

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Sean, I guess you get what you pay for. 😃

@Dog-whisperer7494

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx yes I agree . But getting what you pay for doesn’t justify the ridiculously high price for such a simple product. If you’re comparing a £20 cordless drill with an £ 80 cordless drill let’s say then yes I agree.

@darylsavage119

Жыл бұрын

But you are comparing an 20 and 80 drill here. Difference is here your comparing a 10p connector block and £2 tub of silicone in a besa box, to a set of £5 wago connectors, £10 wiska box and £20+ gel boxes I've used both and I know which I've had less call backs on, so I know which I'm pricing my customers up for when they ask my pricing

I like the f-it method used wire nuts wrap with electric tape and stick in a grounded metal box.=}

@stucknousernames

Жыл бұрын

I live in America, if it's not a fire hazard you're doing it wrong.

Personally they are way too expensive per unit, here in Canada they run at $15-20 per unit. And Gel is not new, it has been used in telephony for much more than 50 years. As an exemple used very often for splicing a buried service wire and last for ever.

The small amount of gel is nice, but it seems to me like that inherently means that that problem you mention of moisture ingressing through the glands and then into the outer insulation is not prevented by this at all. Maybe it’d help if you filled the rest of the enclosure up with polystyrene beads but I suppose that’s probably against the code.

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

The key thing is to keep the moisture out of the connections rather than the enclosure. Polystyrene beads would be a no-no as it chemically reacts with PVC and degrades the insulation. 👍👍👍

@boblewis5558

Жыл бұрын

Nope! The reason that condensation occurs inside a properly sealed IP68 box is *NOT* due to gland seepage! When correctly installed with the correct gland for the cable, IP68 will be maintained. I keep hearing this complete hogwash about gland seepage from so many people it is untrue! Any seepage that MAY occur is MUCH more likely to arise from the internal of a cable and a NON IP68 termination at one end. So from *where* does the moisture to cause such condensation come? Answer: *SIMPLE* ... it is already in the box when you seal it, especially in the UK with our high humidity levels and low dewpoints in winter. In other words, YOU put/allowed it in there when you sealed the box!! *It's that simple!* The simple expedient of blowing warm air from say a hairdryer or hot air gun or a quick waft of a blowtorch flame into the open box *immediately* prior to sealing removes 90% of the moisture and a silica gel pack easily removes *and retains* the rest. These things *I have tested* ... For my own satisfaction! Come on eFixx ... Do some tests of your own! Prove me wrong! The rest of the industry and my erstwhile fellow colleagues at the IET can't be bothered it seems, nor have they considered the effects of the *extra* moisture allowed ingress via a small, and entirely unnecessary breathing hole. Such moisture condenses first and foremost on metal surfaces LONG before it is seen on a transparent front cover! People have been discussing the merits and demerits of AFDDs a lot with the upcoming regs changes yet here is a potential CAUSE of arcing and flashover, not to mention rust and corrosion that the industry has utterly ignored for years, whilst at the same time installation instructions from manufacturers suggest/demand/advise *drilling vent holes* in IP68 rated enclosures!! WTH!?

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

I didn't say anything about gland seepage. 🤷

@boblewis5558

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx very observant ... Jasper Janssen did though! 🤔

@keirstitt8277

Жыл бұрын

The misconception of IP ratings is that people think they keep water out. That isn't the requirement in the standards. IP ratings show that equipment can withstand an environment, they don't show that equipment won't e.g. let water in. As for "seepage" an enclosure will never be impermiable so unless you're e.g. in an ATEX situation where the enclosure is purged and maintained with 100% nitrogen under positive pressure there will always be water vapour in your enclosure that will inevitably condense. Hence you are required to put a drain hole. There's not an enclosure in the world that is 100% impermiable to vapour. The walls of the Internation Space Station aren't 100% imperiable to vapour.

Would love to see you fit 3 or even 4 cables into that box lol

@keirstitt8277

Жыл бұрын

You can fit as many as the gelbox is designed for - as it's not there to provide mechancial protection you can fit a lot more cables in it per size than a mechanical enclosure. Of course you do need a mechanical overenclosure.

@danelectric702

Жыл бұрын

Think you’ve missed my point If you have a 308 wiska box that in the video only has 2 nyyj cables going into it then what was the point of the box other than a damaged cable or to short The majority of the time the wiska box is used to spur a cable of if the main cable I.e a garden spot light coming off of the main cable run so you would end up with min 3 cables not cores of cables to get into the enclosure which looks pretty damn tight

@keirstitt8277

Жыл бұрын

@@danelectric702 Well you'd obviously get a bigger box. There's more reasons to splice two wires than a repair or because you're half way through a job and your apprentice [it’s always the apprentice] can’t measure properly. It might be to splice different cables such as SWA to NYYJ. Or in the case of this video it might just be to make a video demonstration of a product and it’s never going to get used anyway.

@danelectric702

Жыл бұрын

@@keirstitt8277 🤣🤣 you must be a wago rep lol Why put the video of a 308 box that we all use and make out it’s great to fit their silly over sized connection gel box inside I’m sure the customer will love the massive next size up wiska box in their garden lol 😂

@keirstitt8277

Жыл бұрын

@@danelectric702 I'm certainly not a rep for anyone. You use the enclosure that fits the application. If the box is half way up a wall then it's not likely to need a gelbox anyway unless its e.g. in a car wash. I think people overuse these kind of products tbh. You've got to ask yourself what the EI's are. For the vast majority of outdoor spaces the answer is no higher than IPx4 and may be as low as IPx2, either of which shouldn't need a gelbox.

Wiska have a much better reusable solution for this (no need for new gel) if only they made larger ones which I've asked them for ages ago.......

An Ex barrier gland would stop moisture……

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn't stop moisture ingress through the cable though. 🤔

This is where wire nuts shine with rubberized tape.

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

😱 Not wire nuts! 😂

@skyemac8

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx I know it’s a foreign term in the U.K.

looks like mousetrap goop

Надо было в воду соли насыпать и посмотреть пробьет или нет

These are a bad clone of the ShellBox by Etelec 😅

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Or is the ShellBox a bad clone of the GelBox by Wago... 😂

@Live1509

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx ShellBox has been on the market for many years, WAGO simply made a bad copy of them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

to sad they are so extremly expensive :(

I would love to see a IDIOT-PROOF test. where you guys ask 100+ random pedestrians to connect the wires, and close it. Then see if they are shorting, inside a safe environment. The only thing the pedestrians can go on ,is a simple instruction on paper. and nothing more.

@ShatBriks

Жыл бұрын

They're not especially hard to use but definitely not completely idiot proof. We use these sometimes and you really need to use the correct number and types of connectors inside, installed carefully, or it will not last long.

1st

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Well done! 😃

@tjmarx

Жыл бұрын

On an ad.

Is that how you pronounce it? Myself and everyone I work with pronounce it "way go".

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Check this out and let us know what you think! kzread.info/dash/bejne/X5x1u5qYppW-cdo.html

@herrtomas6729

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx Var Go - es ist Deutsche

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! 😃

@herrtomas6729

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx Similar to Wiha - 'veer'

@herrtomas6729

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx or Wiha - 've ah'

This appears to be a giant ad. This certainly isn't a genuine review because it's issuing manufacturer talking points and failing to point out the obvious flaws as they pop up in discussion. This is essentially a small project box with some single use gel inside. If you open it up you have to buy a new one invalidating it's sole useful feature. You might as well just buy a clamshell project box yourself and use filling gel inside of that.

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

The description states it's an ad. 👍

@tjmarx

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx The *video* should state it's an ad. Up front. First words out of your mouth, "this is an ad, we were paid to say everything in this video". 90% of viewers are never going into your description and you know it.

Overkill. The boxes don’t leak if fitted properly with proper glands.

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

You'd be surprised, moisture can track through the cable rather than the gland in the right (wrong) circumstances. 🤔

@JerseyTom

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx that can happen with these too

This video was not sponsored by Wago. Not in any way shape or form. Nope. Nuh-uh.

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Sorry mate but this is incorrect, the description states it's an ad...

@helmanfrow

Жыл бұрын

@@efixx Dang. I knew I should have double-checked before running my mouth. Well, that's egg on my face. No harm no foul? 🫥

Or ... Put them in an ip68 junction box with ip68 glands and NEVER drill an airhole ... It breaks the ip68 rating and is simply not required! A silica gel pack or a tiny amount of fresh cat litter in a pouch will stop any potential condensation!

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Wonder if there's a point that they'd become saturated. 🤔

@kjgreen3

Жыл бұрын

You may need to install a PEV which is a pressure equilisation valve with an internal vapour barrier to control expansion/contraction of the air due to temperature variations throughout day/night if no hole is drilled. Hence why I find drilling a 1.5mm hole on the bottom of a wall mounted IP68 enclosure is required as it's not just a drain hole.

@boblewis5558

Жыл бұрын

@@kjgreen3 I have tested standard IP68 JB's at the bottom of my pond (~ 750mm deep, and left outside in the rain & sun. They NEVER require a vent hole unless, possibly, the air volume **significantly** exceeds those 6"x4"x3" units (approx) I tested. There is just insufficient pressure increase to worry about it. The INSTANT you drill any hole, of any size into an IP68 rated box the IP rating is no longer valid. So if the specs/regs say IP68 you are breaking the regs!! Simple as! With regard to saturation of either cat litter OR silica gel, it will NEVER happen if the box is true IP68. Even at a sealing humidity level of 80% it doesn't (in my testing experience) cause an issue and the actual amount of moisture inside the box is less than 2ml. However, vapour barrier or not, put a hole in the box and I GUARANTEE condensation will occur. Don't argue the point ... PROVE it ... I have! The only REAL issue is the amount of air/vapour that can enter)leave the box through the cable itself which is the weakest link in the whole waterproofing/anti condensation chain. A long enough, tightly woven enough cable will take decades to allow in sufficient air/ moisture to cause condensation.

@JasperJanssen

Жыл бұрын

Are silica gel packs allowed in an electrical junction box? I mean on the one hand it’s a “why wouldn’t it work” but on the other hand I wouldn’t expect anyone to have done the testing.

@boblewis5558

Жыл бұрын

@@JasperJanssen and therein lies the problem! The WHOLE industry says "drill a vent hole!" without ANY thought of thereby destroying the very thing you want to preserve ... The IP rating. It is the EXACT same thing as drilling a 5 mm hole into a CU without sealing it somehow! 🤔🤔🙄🙄😳 Why? Because building regs says the domestic CU must be made of fireproof material (note without specifying a temperature!! WTH!?). And it must conform to IP 2X (vertical surfaces) or IP4X (horizontal surfaces). A JB of IP68 spec (no unsealed holes and fully waterproof to 1m) having a 1.5mm hole (tiny) drilled in it means that it is *NO LONGER IP68 rated and not even IP4X rated!*

You must not try this at home = DIYers will almost certainly see this as a solution to reconnect that submerged pond pump they put a shovel through the cable whilst cleaning

@efixx

Жыл бұрын

Eek! 😬

@robertneill3057

Жыл бұрын

Circuit would be tested nowadays (unit used is expensive and needs bi-annual calibration. A typical Insulation Test Voltage is 480 to 500 volts for upto 2 seconds for a 230v/240v AC nominal supply). High and low resistance range on a multimeter won't do although it may provide an indication of what's wrong if you know what you are doing (competence) with the supply isolated.

@GrahamDIY

Жыл бұрын

And their RCD will trip 🤷‍♂️

@muzikman2008

Жыл бұрын

@@GrahamDIY if they have an RCD LOL...