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@vqdriver

Жыл бұрын

I could never get my Woolwax DIY kit spray extension wands to work. Just shoots air. I’m using a pancake compressor set to about 60psi. The gun works fine. Any tips are appreciated. The specs are 2.6.SCFM @90psi.

@donaldmatthies6026

9 ай бұрын

​​@@vqdriverunscrew the hose to the gun, you want only one or two threads into the spray gun, then adjust your stop nut.

@vqdriver

9 ай бұрын

@@donaldmatthies6026 Thank you! Will try this soon!!

@donaldmatthies6026

9 ай бұрын

@@vqdriver you are welcome, try it out, it should help you, if not....... Please reply back I can try to offer more advice or assistance. I've been using the this product for three years now and love it, it took some fiddling to get everything to work right, and I have not had to adjust it since then.

I use black pigment powder which is normally used to colour epoxy resin. It works reasonably well as it's an ultra fine powder. Of course as it's a pigment, if you are feeling a bit crazy, you can tint your lanolin spray blue, green, red or purple as long as it's a strong colour. But then the only people that will truly appreciate your artistry are those that you run over!

@clydeking4265

Жыл бұрын

for those who want underside of their ride to sparkle, bet adding big metal flake would BLING!!

One reason for the black version may be to hide rust when flipping a vehicle...

@firingallcylinders2949

7 ай бұрын

Yep always take a screwdriver and magnet with you when looking to buy a car. Used car dealership special. Although they wont' even oil coat it they'll just spray bomb it with undercoating.

Love surface shield. Started using it on my car, then my dad started using it on his truck and cars, then I started using it on my guns and reloading equipment that’s in storage or high moisture, and now we’re starting to use it on farm equipment going into storage! Absolutely awesome stuff 👌🏻 can’t recommend enough

Thank you - I was hesitant about using Surface Shield because they didn’t have a black version. I get what you’re saying about not needing it to be black and the mess. However - when you don’t have a lift and you’re in your driveway under the vehicle with poor lighting the black allows you to see where you’ve sprayed already. It helps tremendously in that situation. DIY undercoating is a royal pain in the butt - the black product just makes it that much easier.

I personally like the black. I have a silver car. With the clear/straw stuff, you really can't see how much you are layering on the sheet metal, as you see the factory paint through the coating. You waste product on the initial application and subsequent applications. I went black. A quick inspection allows me to see what areas need a touch up. If I see the paint color poking through, it gets re-shot. If you spray a cast component like a steering knuckle with the clear/straw, it turns brown before enough road gunk makes it black. With the browining, you can't tell if rust is poking through, or if it's just dirty. Same principle with the black. I shoot it once. If I see brown on an inspection, its rust poking through. It gets touched up. Same issue happens with high impact areas on components that are painted black. For example, sub frames, lower control arms, and tie rod ends. If you spray the clear/straw stuff, it turns brown. You can't tell if its dirt or if it's rust. You end up re-shooting "just to be sure" and waste more product again. With the black stuff, a simple inspection is all that is needed. If it's NOT black on your yearly inspection, just touch up that area. If you want to change the color of your WW, FF, search the MSDS (Material Data Safety Sheet). Listed are the formulations or the CAS# of the ingredients. If you research the CAS# you can find what ever the pigment is. WW uses "Carbon Black".....powdered printer toner. It's cheap and very available. Mix your own. Save a few bucks.

I'll take the original version. Thanks for the video. I just couldn't imagine the mess that it would make having the graphite in it. Surface Shield is great.

I'm in the UK and we have a product here called lanoguard which I presume is similar to fluid film or surface shield. One of the selling points is that it's non conductive and this can help combat galvanic corrosion as well as not cause issues with electrics. Adding graphite, which is conductive, might make the product less effective. The biggest issue could be causing problems with electrics. Recently had to change the alternator due to an oil leak and although oil isn't conductive, when it burns it turns to carbon, which is, this is what killed the regulator. So my guess is to steer clear of the graphite.

@davelock3166

2 ай бұрын

I get your point, but if you use it primarily on the chassis, I recon it should be OK. The problem with Lano, which I use it looks crap! I am going to give it a try, anyhow.

Nice update, as usual. I agree, black not necessary..

like your vides, u are thorough with product comparisons. thanks for the time u put into these videos

I would just mix what I need. Black frame. Black axle black leaf springs Mine are just currently black and Rusty.

For me, the great advantage of using black is seeing all the missed spots during application

@firingallcylinders2949

7 ай бұрын

Yep came here to say this, Black shows all the little spots you didn't get.

thanks for this video. I just bought a 5 gallon bucket of the fluid film and now I am going to turn it black so I can hide all my rust.

Some like the black but I agree I am not a black fan. I enjoy the amber color it is naturally. Great video as always well done!!

very much appreciated. I've used that Butyl type sound reading before and didn't notice a worth while difference, but I can see how the 3 part system can work more effectively. Before you purchased that brand were you able to develop any solid comparisons across brands to know if that brand may be more or less effective at controlling sound? great video!

Graphite is what you add to coatings/paints/inks to make them electrically conductive. It is not safe to use as a coloring/dying agent near anything electrical

Great video!!!

You're a great resource!

Thanks for the education. Unfortunately I bought a 65 El Camino that has had a recent Rustoleum product sprayed on the undercarriage. I am not sure how well it was prepped or how bad the rust was underneath. Should I try taking it off so I can spray the lanolin method? Or wait until to see if it starts coming off on its own and then try removing it. It’s in Colorado and will be a driver. Sure wished I would have found you earlier, before my purchase. Thanks,

Do you think just using some spray cans of Fluid Film sprayed on the frame will be good enough to do right before winter. It ws done about 2 years ago overall.

Can you do a review or comparison on Xionlab 2 in 1 rust converter & metal primer especially for car undercarriage?

I'm curious have you ever tried any of the undercoating products from Eastwood. I live in the South in Ms. I've tried their spray can undercoating and it turned out fantastic.

I wonder if you could use black cement dye?

I'm sure that powdered concrete/mortar/ stucco / grout dye (mineral oxide powder) would do the exact same thing. Available in Black, Red and Brown in a 700 gram container at the Home Depot for about $20. Very concentrated and one jar will deep dye 3 or 4 of the 50 pound bags of mortar mix or concrete.

Floor pans....protection from the topside, what do you recommend?

What is your opinion on Noxudol undercoating 300/700. Similiar to what some of the import car manufacturers were using? Have you done any comparisons to the fluids film type products

What is thoughts on how graphite effects spray gun? It is a lubricant so interesting consideration

I have a gmc canyon basically same rig as your Colorado. I have 6" lift kit and can see lots of undercarriage. I'm going with your recommended blaster surface shield in clear. can I then give it a shot of black rust paint on the parts that are visible due to the height of the truck?

I'm glad i watched this...

What is the best way to clean the spray gun (and over spray that ends up on the car) once you run Surface Shield through it?

Can i use lanolin oil (cosmetics grade) for undercoating? Im from south east (indonesia) i cant find any fluid film etc in here. Thanks

Thanks for all you videos. Always great information. My own experience, adding/mixing any dry ingredient to a premeasured liquid mixture, would decrease the liquids viscosity some what. My concern is, would this reduce the products ability to creep ?

@Ryan-ob6gp

7 ай бұрын

I doubt it - as graphite is smooth and absorbs no liquid, unlike a fibrous filler. Imagine glass chips in oil. The product would remain liquid, and frankly if anything the graphite would protect it from UV degradation, I imagine.

Does using clear undercoat (or black for that matter), given the oily sheen it can create, ever make it difficult to distinguish between the coat surface and an oil leak?

What about vehicles that go on a soft sand beach? Will the sand stick to it? Am I better off with a product that dries?

Exactly what I thought

Would Black Oxide Powder work better? Just was thinking about this since I believe this should add a layer of protection right? Figured you’d be the best guy to check this out with.

I appreciate your videos and have applied it to my cars. Just did Fluid Film on my BMW e46 to the rear surface rust areas on the differential and frame. When you say clear, do you mean brown?

@RepairGeek

10 ай бұрын

Yes, the thicker you lay on the product the more brown or tan it becomes.

Are there any local shops that apply surface shield? I live in Medina

Any tips for removing factory undercoating?

I wonder whether "Surface Shield" sold in Europe is the same as you show here. The labels are quite different, but the name is the same. I understand that the US Surface shield is based on lanolin - like fluid film seems to be. Any idea of how to remove some sparkles from the windscreen? I tried aceton and Isopropanol, but no chance to get completely rid of the stuff. At best, I ended up with a film on the glass. Regards Heinz

Talking to a guy that does undercoating at a toyota dealership said to me that he always uses clear because the black version doesn't creep as well. I guess maybe due to the graphite. What are your thoughts on this?

Strange, given one of the supposed benefits of the clear/lanolin undercoats compared to eg Dinitrol is that they allow you to monitor how it looks underneath

Interesting.

Fluid film Black use Carbon Black according to there product and spec sheets (What ever you call them)I thought graphite is a silvery grey? Cheers

🦃Happy Thanksgiving!🦃 I agree, clear is better. Any advantages/disadvantages adding alot graphite? 🤔

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

Not that I know of.

I might have to do this, I have people that I do cars for that specifically request black and I’m sick of paying a bunch more per 5 gallon container when I could just do this

I'd rather see what's going on, not black it out. Also anyone selling in the future may not want to, it might scare off some buyers thinking you may be trying to hide rust. I'd rather have it translucent and see a little of whats going on so I can attack it with another coat. Clear is where it's at , as you pointed out. I had not even thought of the overspray.. bingo !

@reax2237

4 ай бұрын

I agree, messy

How much do I add to turn myself black like Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder?

I’ve been wanting to ask this question about undercoatings, I’ve watched plenty of your vids, but it would seem to me that after doing fresh metal prep, painting on black caulk would be something to try and would resist chipping and delaminating. What are your thoughts and can you try it? Please answer, I’ve asked this before. Thanks.

@FloridaTwoWheelAdventures

4 ай бұрын

Nobody will answer that question because it’s nonsense. How could you possibly paint on caulk to the extent you can spray on lanolin liquid? Inside frames, around frames, inside body panels, etc. is far too intricate and extensive to get with a paint brush. Have you even watched a single video on lanolin spray applications?

Have you ever treated something with linseed oil? Since lanolin products don't ship to sweden I'm curious to try mixing that with some gum turpentine to be able to spray it and some graphite powder for easier tracking of the coverage. That seem to be a really good method and is said to withstand years of rough exposure...although overspray is an issue if you let it dry. What do you think?

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

It's nothing spectacular like some claim: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4eDsciTdtDOg7w.html I got better results out of vegetable oil: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4eDsciTdtDOg7w.html

@ompenarnie

8 ай бұрын

4diyers on KZread claims to have had great success with *boiled* linseed oil and WD40 to help with flow. He posted a followup video as well.

I have a question. I’ve applied surface shield before winter. I want to do so again. What’s the best way to clean the frame to reapply the surface shield?

@ompenarnie

8 ай бұрын

In other videos this guy has said he does nothing to the existing coat and just adds more. There is a video I saw this morning where he said by year 5 he's unsure if it's worth reapplying because of the existing coats.

@firingallcylinders2949

7 ай бұрын

Maybe powerwashing, but if anything just reapply over

Hey I know you've said it before, but would you recommend a 5 gallon bucket or 1 gallon bucket for a full sized truck? Nor going crazy but I don't want to run out. Thanks for your videos!!!

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

5 gallons. It doesn't go bad...

@seandeterman2499

Жыл бұрын

@Repair Geek good deal, you're the best man. We all love the videos so keep them coming!! 👍

If you have any pull can you get Surface Shield Aerosol listed on Amazon in Canada…nobody commercially sprays a vehicle as well as you do up here that I have found and boy do we need it up here…salt brine on the roads seems to be way worse than just traditional road salt. Cheers love your content as always.

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

Keep your eyes peeled at Princess Auto soon...

@robertw9679

11 ай бұрын

That pickle juice they spray killed my poor Ford it fell apart from rust.

If you need to work under the car on a certain section, say shocks, any easy way to clean the work area out?

@RepairGeek

6 ай бұрын

Pressure wash and some degreaser.

The AMSOIL HD MP I use doesn't look shiny and it doesn't attract dirt.

As far as guns go, I personally would never put this on guns for rust protection. Just wipe the metal surfaces with a silicone cloth stored in a ziplock bag. If your cloth dries out, add 1 tablespoon of mineral oil to the cloth, ring and twist it to get the mineral oil through the cloth, and a few hours later, your silicone cloth is good as new. Surface Shield is great on cars, trucks, etc.

I'm also in NE ohio...does anyone spray Surface Shield at a shop that you know of? Most of the places I see on FB use FF and I can't stand that smell!

What does maintenance on your undercarrage look like through the year

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

None. I just ignore it until I spray it again.

Ok, I’ll admit I’m completely stupid about this product and what the purpose for it is as well as where to spray it and not to spray it? I have a brand new Kia Niro that’s a charcoal blackish gray color on the exterior of the car. Haven’t even looked at the underneath side yet? I’m assuming this is basically just a protectant to spray on the underside of your vehicle? Kind of like having your vehicle under coated I’m guessing? I’m assuming it helps keep things from rusting over time? Like I said, I know absolutely nothing about this product, but you have me curious and now thinking it may be a good idea to have it sprayed on my new vehicle underneath at least. You would spray the exterior of your vehicle paint would you? I know there is product for spraying on the paint too that’s least suppose to keep vehicles from having dirt, tree sap, etc from sticking to your paint and making them easier to clean. But I’m assuming this product you’re making black isn’t the same product for covering your vehicle paint? Sorry if I’m asking too much? But any answer appreciated

Hey dude, I got a question for you knowing that you work with Blaster now. Is it safe to use on GM wax coated frames? I know fluid film would really soften that wax up and basically render it worthless.

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

My stance is going to differ from Blaster's "official" stance. Me personally: Spray everything down because I know that wax is going to fall off in 5 years treated or not. Blasters Position: Do not use the product on a GM wax frame. With or without the product that wax is coming off if you live in a corrosive environment. Blaster is keeping their backsides covered by not spraying a wax frame.

@JayTdub13

Жыл бұрын

@@RepairGeek understood. As always thank you for the great answer and quality content. I was more so asking because I do this as a side gig for money on the side. I’ve switched to SS exclusively from FF and I’ve learned to stay away from GM wax frames the hard way.

@ivancox3550

7 ай бұрын

I can't find a 5 gallon pail anywhere in Ontario, Canada. I ordered a 1 gallon from Amazon. Will that be enough to do a new 2023 Chev crew cab shortbox pickup?

I want to undercoat my vehicle, but some people said that those undercoating degrade the rubber, so I have to avoid spraying the rubber bushings and rubber houses? Also others said that when spraying inside the doors, there is some deformation on the bottom of the door rubber seal. Is that true? Thanks.

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

The only issue that I've seen in 5 years is, my weatherstripping on the doors of my truck that is in constant 24/7 contact with lanolin has SLIGHTLY swollen. That's the only side effect I've seen. As far as under the truck, I've had zero problems. No unusual noises from the suspension and all the wear that I've seen has been normal.

@TavosMr

Жыл бұрын

@@RepairGeek thanks, you are the best👍

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

​@@TavosMr 🤣 thanks but I think you just have low standards 🤣

@TavosMr

Жыл бұрын

@@RepairGeek oh, that mean your videos are worthless? I should unsubscribe to your channel then

I purchased a older rust bucket and wanted immediate results to black but I did some searching and only saw $5 difference in price

These lanolin products do a great job to stop rust. People can do what they want but I work on cars. I can handle dealing with the clear stuff and the dirt. If I was a mechanic in a shop and saw the black "dye", I would tell you to take it elsewhere. I wouldn't want to wear it and get it on the interiors my customers' vehicles or my own at the end of the day.

Is there anything, in regards to vehicles, that you don’t or avoid spraying this on?

@RepairGeek

11 ай бұрын

Brakes and the exhaust.

"cheap measuring cups from my wife" Eight + Years later, I still hear about my wife's turkey baster. We always have fresh power steering fluid in the car though ;-)

Well then you can see it to clean it lol. Does it matter if you use synthetic or the natural stuff

Graphite is a lubricant, it may help rust a bit.

God, working on your cars has got to be the biggest mess in the world. Granted the protection may prolong the life of some parts but I can only imagine how many paper towels you go through when something’s breaks bahaha great work

@RepairGeek

10 ай бұрын

The time used wiping my hands I save 10x over not dealing with rusted hardware that breaks or rounds off.

What happens to the paint on the vehicle when there's over spray?

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

Nothing. Just wipe it off. If the overspray is clear you can't see it was the point it was trying to make.

Activated charcoal would also work and is not poison like graphite

How about how to make it White?

hi, I live in a small eastern Europe country and Lanolin based products are sold only small cans and are very pricey. However I found a product which's main ingredient is lanolin its a cows nipples protection liquid :) I know its may sound ridiculous, but do you think I could use for rust protection; Ingredients are as follows: Lanolin, glycerin, sorbitol, allantoin and PVC iodine Thank you for all the knowledge you share

wouldn’t a neon color like pink be better for installation? no way you’d miss a spot…

Can you spray black paint on top of Surface Shield? Will it dry?

@RepairGeek

10 ай бұрын

Surface Shield does not dry so paint isn't going to stick to it very well.

@gimmeagig

10 ай бұрын

@@RepairGeek Thank you. There are a few parts under my car that have started to rust that I would like to paint a color and still have a rust protection on them ( shocks for example) . Is there a rust protector that can be painted over?

@firingallcylinders2949

7 ай бұрын

Paint does not adhere to oil, it will fish eye and run. Painting over any kind of oil based anything is pointless and if anything will just look terrible. @@gimmeagig

Hello im planning on doing this to my car but im stripping all the way to the metal should i prime it first ?

Actually you can get better results with black aniline dye used in woodworking, a little goes a long way! But don’t get it on something porous, it will be black!

spray can vs bucket?

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

Bucket.

I had a clear, and I mean clear undercoating, years ago. I was wishing it was red so I could see where I had and hadn't sprayed it.

@Repair Geek I’ve been pondering this question for some time, I’m dying to know your response to this question. Why not paint on black caulk on freshly prepped metal? I can’t think of anything more durable or long lasting.

@robertw9679

11 ай бұрын

That would make it rust horrible from the inside out!

I'd rather see the discoloration to know if any rust is accelerating. Plus working on a vehicle smeared with graphite is gonna suck big time.

My uncle a used car salesman pushed for black undercoatings to hide the serious rust on vehicles he sells.

Just found out about this stuff would be nice if you would check it out it's called rust cure seen on guy putting it on lawn mower decks after cleaned I will admit I do like surface shield the best so far I have not put on my truck yet but will be this spring and then in the fall

Don't mechanics hate working with undercoating messing everything up?

@firingallcylinders2949

7 ай бұрын

It's not the undercoating that you're thinking of. This is just oil, Mechanics hate undercoating bedliner spray. That stuff sticks nuts and bolts, it gets hard on everything. Oil is messy, but if anything most mechanics will thank you for not letting your vehicle rust out. There's is nothing worse than working on a car that's literally crumbling.

Now make it strawberry scented

3:30-3:38 can you rephrase that?

You have successful creates an alien (demon, fallen angel) spawning portal! Figure with black too coming out their eyes will come out at 333 am

hello?

Measuring cups from your wife? I hope that was cleared with the authorities before use! Spouses and significant others tend to frown on using kitchen items for automotive purposes... I don't know why... my wife didn't even like me putting car parts in the freezer... what's wrong with that I ask you? They weren't USED parts... Harmless!

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

Just use the dishwasher as a parts washer once. Then she'll have no issue with a new part in the freezer. 🤣

😞

NOT WHEN ONE IS VERY CAREFUL, METICULOUS! AND THERE'S RAGS! CLEANERS!

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

2:04

@kenj.8897

Жыл бұрын

LOL, Good luck with that

Off topic, but what is the big orange vice you have on your bench? I've been looking for a good big vice. And thanks for the vid, I actually bought the identical graphite before I even saw this vid, haven't used it yet because it's too cold to spray now.

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

It's an old Ridgid. I called them probably 6 years back about getting replacement jaws for it. They had no record of the model I have. I think it was made by someone else with a Ridgid name on it.

@clydeking4265

Жыл бұрын

m walker i was digging that giant bench vice too! to big for my needs, but as a guy that loves tools and works on cars and bikes. i love it!!!

@RepairGeek

Жыл бұрын

@@clydeking4265 I agree it's on the large side but I literally could not beat the price 😉