good video but i have to point out that 4cross is always over over over under. It allows for the crossing spokes to share impact force and reduces stress on the rim.

@LizardBikes

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought the last cross one needs to go under.

@jackpickerill549

Жыл бұрын

Hey, I'm about to build a wheel using this method do you know of a good tutorial for this?

@ProfKaos-yf8oq

Жыл бұрын

@@jackpickerill549 there are alot of good video's on 3cross and 4cross. I got a great tip for you though, after building an treuing the wheel tighten the outer spokes who crosses the inner a quarter so every spoke that faces outside. If you do this you won't have to true your wheels for a long time especially if you ride 4cross

Believe it or not, you saved my sanity lacing my 1936 Elgin! I must have watched 10 other videos, 15 different tries until I found your video. Thanks so much!

I'm restoring my 84 Mongoose Californian and my pro class wheels are 4 Cross pattern. I'm so glad I found your video! It helped thus 49 year old man out tremendously. Thank you. 👍

You are exactly who I wanted to teach me how to do this. Everyone watching remember to thread the spoke UNDER the 4th cross tho!!!

used this for my eclat exile rear hub and trippin rim, thank you

@daobmx

4 ай бұрын

awesome!

Thanks for demo-ing this lacing pattern. Conceptually I believe this’ll work for my motorcycle rim lacing.

thanks, I accidentally orderd 306 spokes instead of 300, doing the 4-cross worked

you gave a very simple explanation of a difficult job, good

@daobmx

3 жыл бұрын

thanks, hope it is easy for everyone to follow along 👍

Once it is laced up, if you tighten every nipple down to the end of the threads on the spoke, the wheel will be fairly true to begin with. There won’t be much left to do after that. Also, this video didn’t instruct the builder to inner-lace the spokes Just don’t have them lay on top of each other, but put the next one under the previous one & the wheel will be even stronger, sturdier, tighter and better. Thanks for the vid 😊

I appreciate you having the best wheel lacing videos on youtube. You da man. That being said... you need to re-record the audio on this man.. or re-do it with a real mic. Please. Your engagement will be so much better.

Good info bro … great video thanks …

nicely done!

Commenting to say I had to turn the volume down during the intro and couldn't hear anything until I turned up the volume again. I wish I could of stayed and learned something.

Thanks, you have my sub and such.

Yeah I noticed BsD does 4 cross on any wheel they sell Im waiting for my rev nasa complete wheel I’m pumped about it

Spokes Crosses Drive Spoke Length Non Drive Spoke Length 36 3 184.1 183.6 36 4 193.6 192 This is what my spoke calculator sed this wheels spoke length is for 3 and 4 cross hope it helps you David 👍

And for the front wheel 4x, you'll also need 192mm? Thanks

Hi, is this the patterns used for the fly lunar x lace rim?

great video and today helped me build my first wheel - animal hub with odyssey rim .Rolls great and feels strong, Nice one man as couldn't have done it without this.

Good video but pretty sure it’s over 3 under the 4th. Assume this would work idk if it’d be as strong? Thanks for the video!

Do you have a way to get ahold of you for guidance for some wheel I built two of them one needs trued other not so much but goo idea

@daobmx

6 ай бұрын

dm on instagram i usually get to the quickest 👍🏻

Is 4 cross stronger and if not is there a way to lace a wheel and make it strong?

@daobmx

3 жыл бұрын

this is stronger than your normal 3x pattern, and to keep a wheel strong you just have to tighten spokes when they get loose/replace a spoke if it breaks

Do I use the same pattern on a 48h?

@beardyface8492

2 жыл бұрын

The principle is the same, for ultimate strength tandems used to use 48H & 5 cross, good luck finding a spoke length calculator that lets you even enter the parameters for that though.

@dblythe5958

2 жыл бұрын

I was wanting to lace up a sun big city to a mid school odyssey hub

So on the normal 3x the pattern is over, over, under correct me if I'm wrong... is there not an under cross on the 4x?

@daobmx

3 жыл бұрын

correct on the style four cross i am showing, though there are so many patterns for wheel building that i am sure there is an over under type of pattern for a 4x 👍

@EastCoastPGS

3 жыл бұрын

the 4x pattern he did is the classic vintage pattern that were done on all the 80s bmx bikes (mongoose, GT, ect.) back in the day which is 4 over, no under. There is a 4x pattern that goes under that I have seen before

@LizardBikes

2 жыл бұрын

@@EastCoastPGS I thought the last cross needs to go under. I'm consulting with some old time Whizzer motor bike wheel builders, going to ask.

@EastCoastPGS

2 жыл бұрын

@@LizardBikes Yeah it does. I just did a set of wheels with the 4th going under. But I think you can go over too just not sure how strong that pattern is.

@LizardBikes

2 жыл бұрын

@@EastCoastPGS yes I talked to an older gentleman wheel builder that told me that under on the last cross is not necessary. Can be done both ways!

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Sorry its not clear to me. Got there in the end. Used to 3 cross. Its the same but goes over 3 and under the 4th.

why would it be stronger? it has an higher leaning angle which makes them less effective holding all the stress, i think..

@daobmx

3 жыл бұрын

its further spread out tension and crossing more area making it a stronger wheel all together

@shakedinbar2162

3 жыл бұрын

@@daobmx interesting, i didn't know. why is the industry still stuck at 3 cross if so?

@beardyface8492

2 жыл бұрын

@@shakedinbar2162 4 cross used to be standard on rear wheels if you go back to ancient British 3 speed bikes with hub gears which tended to be heavy & got ridden on poor roads. They typically used 40 spokes rather than 36 as well. 5 cross (and 48 spokes) was common on tandems for the increased strength. Some ancient history for you. 3 cross is standard because it's cheaper.

Can you 4 cross 32 hole?

@daobmx

3 жыл бұрын

ive never heard of a 32 hole rim

@crxxpslvyr7887

2 жыл бұрын

@@daobmx i think hes on dj mtb

@beardyface8492

2 жыл бұрын

Not recommended, you'd need hubs with an unusually large pcd to even try, done on a smaller hub the spokes interfere with each other & tend to break.

the pattern is 3 lace

Are you gonna run 4 cross in the back and 3 cross in the front?

@daobmx

3 жыл бұрын

i do right now, i laced my bsd hub up four cross when i got it 6 months ago, my front wheel is stock gsport so that comes 3 cross.

@abdullahalkwary3306

3 жыл бұрын

@@daobmxhey I will buy the gsport but I need to know the tall of the spokes should I take 186mm???

Close but not correct my boy. Just like a 3 cross pattern on your 3rd set of 9 spokes you need to go over 3 under 1. 3 cross is over 2 under 1. There is going to be a shitload of people blowing out their wheels doing it this way. Also if you choose 4 cross remember to add about 1.5mm to the length of your spokes from a 3 cross.

Ok. Look. That music is loud and absolutely diabolical. You have an easy way with the education of it, but that ear grind has got to go!

@daobmx

10 ай бұрын

i dont do the intro anymore and when if i make a new one i promise it wont be obnoxious 😭😂