It is refreshing to see a quality item such as the Cavity Slider door reviewed and more importantly, the reasons for using/installing a good product ONCE rather that a poor cheap product REPEATEDLY. Unfortunately homeowners often say "we saved a fortune by getting low cost pocket doors" in the early years, but soon complain about the cost of repair or replacement of the poor quality low cost pocket doors a few years later. The cheap product replacement labor costs alone far exceed the "cost savings" in the beginning. It is sad that for most people, a "DEAL" out weighs Quality in almost everything. Thank you for posting. My work as a renovator is almost 100% repairing or replacing failed low quality products and dealing with poor installation. Take care!

This book is Awesome! I love the Lean-To-Shed the most (page 98). The plan kzread.infoUgkxe9yi0sulKgsp0VJJCIrLWWkvVqcU7LFR is to attach it to the back of my brick house. I also like how they walk you through the many different steps of construction, which is important for the less experienced like me.

They just compared a product to something that 1/3 of the cost (LE Johnson 1500), not even close to an "apples-to-apples" comparison. Need to do better if you're going to present product comparisons with integrity. LE Johnson's HD200 and HD400 products all use ball bearing rollers and have tracks that better carry the weight of larger solid core interior doors for the custom homes I work with and they have the soft-close option as well. And they'll still be less than Cavity Sliders. I sell both Cavity Sliders and LE Johnson, and Cavity Slider is only really needed when we get into moving 9' wide by 7' tall pocket doors (moving small walls). Cavity Sliders has a great product, strong and durable, but not needed for standard operations of a bathroom door. If you want to pay that much extra so that you can remove a pocket door without a wrench, go for it! I love Cavity Sliders, but most people don't need to pay that much extra when there's a great middle ground. I'm not an LE Johnson rep, I work at a custom home dealer supply. I just didn't like the comparison here of a really high end product to the lowest end product when there's a great middle ground.

@robsmith4884

2 жыл бұрын

3:40 he says they’re not even comparison.

@bryanhedstrom7071

Жыл бұрын

The price difference where I buy my doors is much different, $109 for the Johnson 1500 and $1247 for the cavity slider.

@jimmypalmisano9116

4 ай бұрын

Soft close option would be cool

@kellyjohnson7499

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. As someone who knows nothing about pocket doors, trying to decide where to spend the money on our renovations, this helps a lot!

You have just installed the best off the shelf pocket door hardware the world. This in not only a quality product but it's idiot proof to assemble and install. 20 minutes is typically what it takes to assemble the frame and hang it it the opening and another 15 to hang the door and adjust the soft close mechanism. Great company, great people.

@buildshow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Scott!

Homeowner: I also specified and purchased the pull handle inserted in to the door. At the very beginning of this video is the hardware style. A push button to pop the handle out.. Two or three fingers can grasp the handle to pull the door open. My wife had arthritis. The most prevalent big-box style is a thin brass hook which hurts fingers. I intentionally paid big bucks. It is worth it.

@juvehe

Жыл бұрын

Do you have the part number for the handle you're talking about? I'm considering installing a pocket door, and would like that hardware as well, it'll make things easier for my mom. Thanks for sharing.

CS doors have been available in New Zealand for 20-30 years. They are a fantastic product and the market leader here. Their handles for pocket doors are equally as great, with really good templates to make for an easy install process.

Thank you! Comparing products and talking long term maintenance issues is a HUGE help, especially for renovation newbies.

Excellent video. The cavity slider seems the way to go.

Awesome. Your videos are so helpful. We’re doing our first remodel starting this week and I’m learning about a ton of good products. I hate pocket doors but only know the cheaper ones from your video. I’m totally going to use this on our remodel!! Thank you!!

I build the pocket walls with 2x lumber turned sideways when possible. It only adds 1" and eliminates the wall shake when using the kits (also allows 2" nails and 1 1/4" screws). Angle braces (top & bottom) and pocket screws on the mid-wall bracing and you'll have a pretty strong wall. A kerfed board for a bottom track with a matching pin in the door bottom also helps the keep the door from scraping the walls and eliminates the exposed slot on the door slab. The heavy duty hardware is a must along with a soft close and a soft stop bumper. That system is pretty nice, but probably a bit more than most customers would agree to. Thanks for sharing.

You are absolutely correct, it’s all about the material first and then the installer. I installed a 28” pocket-door for the first time, about a month ago and already noticing some flaws. I wished I would have found your video first. Thanks for posting, your work and content is absolutely great .

I like to think these videos will help to make a better generation of builders. Kids who were interested in being a builder and learning the right way to do things.

@larracis

2 жыл бұрын

Out of all the people I see doing this kind of work. I dont see any standard of quality. That goes for big national companies to the local "handyman". And the average joe doesnt know the difference between qualities so they keep calling the same people back. Its disgusting. No matter where I go i cant help but look at floors, tile, paint edges, or drywall corners, etc. And think how I would do it different or how bad it looks. Its a shame.

YES!!! Perfect timing sir, just started a bathroom remodel and yesterday when I was working I wondered if you had a pocket door video.

I am building my own home and had 6 pocket doors spec'ed. Now I can't unsee this video. Guess I will be installing these because I am a quality hound.

Man I love that soft open and close. Nothing beats a well installed pocket. My house was built in the early 70s with a well built pocket door that so far hasn’t needed any maintenance at least in the last 2 decades.

the good thing to see this clip is learning something but the CS pocket door cost raised after this show clip

Y'all need to add this to the Real Rebuild playlist! I was going through that whole 57 video list trying to find this as I am getting pocket doors in a remodel soon.

This is absolutely!!!!!!! Amazing I love the fact that you Pay attention to detail and the fact is that you love doing things the right way the first time and no cutting corners! You don’t turn a square into a circle.

Living in NYC who is an expert on fixing existing pocket doors? Thank you Joe

Very nice product. Building a house now and went to the website to spec out my needs. Price for a standard 3'0" 6'8" came out to $1,100. I"m afraid that's outside the budget! Wow... Wish I could justify the expense.

Nice! Never heard of these in over 40 years in the biz. May need to spec. these on my next project.

What is important is Matt knows what a good job is. Many contractors just aren't this involved.

My dad and I just built the frame for a 24 in. pocket door we're putting in an RV we're building. Even though we're not using a fancy aluminum frame like this - i love the idea of the foam at the back of the unit to soften the blow of the door as it goes back in. I'm definitely going to incorporate that idea into the door as we're still in the open frame portion of the build!

I love your commitment to quality! Need more builders like you in this country!

This setup would make me reconsider pocket doors.

So glad you did this vid now. I will be installing pocket doors in a couple months. Finding good hardware can be difficult - you saved me the trouble 👍

In the 1960s into the '90s there was a very good pocket door frame with heavy duty hardware including the hanger rolled system available to lumber and millwork dealers. My company sold well over 200 of them without a complaint. One of the things we recommended to our builder and architects was to use a 2 x 6 wall to install pocket door frames that way we didn't have worry about the drywallers missing the frame and having a drywall screw hit the opening for the door. On this system, I really like the heavy duty rollers and the guide at the bottom. I can see why this frame costs 3 times more. The soft close system looks great.

Fantastic video as usual. Very detailed, clear and the value explained. Well done and thank you.

From a Builder. Only install cavity sliders in your own home if you really really need to...! You cannot sound insulate that toilet wall, you need to glue on the drywall (plasterboard) and trims so that no nails pertrude into the door... Locking them and opening them can be a pain. Lots of negatives.

Thank you so much for this deep dive. I liked your older video but I knew there would be newer products out there! Thanks again!

Was thinking of installing a pocket door in my remodel. Thanks to this video i now realize that i should avoid overly mechanized systems due to cost and longevity. Nothing beats a door and hinge !

I bought a house 2.5 years ago, first house, in CA @ 29 years old. I have a pocket door for the master bathroom that rubs in the middle a bit. Thanks for this video and all the education you provide.

- EXCELLENT info ! ! ! Thanx for sharing. Nothing better than putting quality products in one's home.

i'm sold. definitely seems like a better, lasting solution for pocket doors

I want pocket doors like on Star Trek. Especially with the swishing noise. :)

@wadebarnett2542

3 жыл бұрын

You can have that with supermarket doors. The sound could be on a chip. On the show, a stagehand was responsible for manually opening the door, using a rope on a pulley. The "whoosh" was added to the soundtrack later. In a couple of shows, you can hear the plywood door dragging on the studio floor. The sound editors missed fixing that.

@HowToLoseWeightDaily

3 жыл бұрын

Star Trek.. exactly me too heheheheheh

@HowToLoseWeightDaily

3 жыл бұрын

if u find "Star Trek" doors.. let me know okk smiles

@williamthomas2278

3 жыл бұрын

Yuuup!

@cpad007

3 жыл бұрын

Business idea!!! I like it!

These are nice pocket door frames and appreciate your channel. I looked at them before my purchase and decided to get something less expensive but still USA made and good quality. In a remodel, I'm using a 2x6 interior wall between MB and master bathroom 36"x80" door and decided with a pocket door to minimize a swing door being in the way of accessing either rooms. The final decision was with Johnson 2x6 Wall Framing 1560SC Series Soft-Close Pocket Door Frame, ball bearing rollers and metal frame.

@juvehe

Жыл бұрын

I'm looking at doing same thing you did, except I'm using 2"x4" wall. I'll be installing a 36"x80" pocket door, building a master bedroom for my mom. How are you liking your door? Thanks for sharing.

@sigbn

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome, frame Kit arriving today, I have the rough opening ready, we’ll see how the installation goes. It has to be plumb, level and square.

Will be hitting up BMC for these on our new build in Dallas - been worried about the pocket doors on the plans already - and now I'm actually excited instead!! Thanks for the video Matt!

Excellent video! My girlfriend works for one of the nation’s largest builders, and it just upsets me when that they don’t even use pocket doors....let alone quality hardware like this. I think most people would be willing to pay more if they understood what they are getting for their money. Thanks Matt!

@skliros9235

3 жыл бұрын

Because they are way more problematic than a traditional door. And they don't want callbacks.

@thaitichi

3 жыл бұрын

What are the benefits of a pocket door over a standard door? Can they be locked too?

@tjam4229

3 жыл бұрын

thaitichi, benefits? You don’t have to consider the area that you need for traditional door to swing. It takes a lot of room. Plus, a pocket door just looks neat and tidy.

@tjam4229

3 жыл бұрын

skliros, because builders use shit materials to work-with. Improve your materials and craftsmanship! See Europe. They’ve got it figured-out. America used to be the best. We are far far from it now.

@Tom-kk1zu

3 жыл бұрын

@@tjam4229 that's mostly because Americans want cheap and easy. They don't want to spend more for Quality. So that's what gets produced.

The pocket looks super reliable. I’ve worked on a lot of 1950-1960s homes that had so many issues with these doors. Nice product

@teledoink

5 ай бұрын

I rented a Victorian place that had had pocket doors that had obviously fallen out at one point, and because the landlord was cheap they just didn’t bother to replace them, just leaving the empty cavities and a gaping doorway. I guess nobody maintained them. Maintenance is also important.

Cool. Cavity Slider looks good. Finally an improvement over the appaling old pocket door systems. I used to install 4 pocket doors per house when I worked on a finish crew years ago. Other than the boss, I was the only guy there who could do it well. Fussy, fussy, fussy. Due to that, I loath pocket doors--noisy, substandards locks, problematic. One tip: Use heavy solid-core pocket doors, and/or let the door {all your doors} aclimatize to the space/temp BEFORE hanging if possible. They will work better. I've hung over 5000 doors.

Thanks for the great video. I am in the process of installing a pocket door to my son's house and now I know exactly what to get. I'll be purchasing a Cavity Sliders door! Great hardware.

I don't think the million cycle testing is excessive, I've told my kids a million times to CLOSE the DOOR!

@Bewefau

3 жыл бұрын

that's because children have brain damage.

@audigirl2023

2 жыл бұрын

LMAO, man that's a horrible Dad joke and I love it!

Very interesting I always hated pocket doors due to the noise and wiggle etc. This looks like a good option.

Thank you for doing the research and all the hard to showcase these products to. By doing so, we are able to make an informed decision on what and how to build. God bless.

3:25 You misread the script: it was "if something fails on this 20 or 30 years down the road, you will still be able to buy and cheaply/easily replace this hardware"

@justinmiller5130

3 жыл бұрын

lol

If I only have the budget for the Johnson pocket door hardware, I require my clients to get the soft-close add-on. The carriages that come with the soft close system have ball bearings

@Splazoinka

3 жыл бұрын

I love the soft close units, but, they don't seem to work real well with really heavy doors which we install alot. At least they hold the door tight to jamb and in pocket. Saves some ghosting issues

@abeburman1050

3 жыл бұрын

David Ceremony I have that system in my house and really like it. The soft open and close add to its functionality. Make sure to install both before drywall. I made the mistake of not installing the soft open first and you can’t get to it once the drywall is in. Had to pull the sheet down and add it in. My only complaint is the wobble side to side when moving. It might be worth it to set up glides on the inside of the frame some how.

@andrewsharps2205

3 жыл бұрын

I just finished an installation with the Johnson hardware. I really liked the ability to add plywood between their studs for blocking/support. Guessing I could probably do the same with cavity sliders, but I haven't looked to see if they have the specific clips available for that.

@cdw3423

3 жыл бұрын

Johnson has some really high quality pocket door kits, just avoid their light weight kit rated for 150lbs doors. Granted my doors are all under 125lbs, but I still use their 400lbs kits because the rollers and tracks are so much nicer.

It's nice to read the comments and see all the builders who actually give a damn talking about showing this kind of stuff to customers and seeing if they are willing to pay for the quality. As much money as I spent with things I upgraded during my build (all on my own research, my builder never offered any sort of 'quality' advice, I now know he just doesn't care), I sure wish I had known about the pocket door hardware importance as I have 11 pockets doors with the basic crap frames. The doors themselves are nice and I picked really nice lock/pull hardware, but unfortunately 2 of the 11 have scraping issues.

Wow! I never knew they made a high quality pocket door! Very nice option. Thanks for sharing this!

@BrianKrahmer

3 жыл бұрын

the Johnson brand is much nicer than the 'standard' one he showed

Brilliant how the trim pops off like that! I really wish my Hafele hardware had that.

perfect timing! going to install a pocket door in a hall doorway to a bathroom and bedroom that I rent out. this system will be perfect knowing it will withstand the renters.

As a now retired builder I always changed the wheels and track for a heavy duty high end replacement not the manufacturers version of heavy duty adds about ($100 aussie ) and less than five minutes in labour cost but worth every penny spent they glide redicoulsly smooth and will be trouble free

Great video. I always appreciate what you do. It's the old "Cry Once" cliche' when it comes to doing things right. Thanks again.

Great video Matt I've been building for several years and have about seen it all, love your videos keep it up

@aylinmaldonado4769

3 жыл бұрын

Hello, Sir, could you please tell me how thick does the wall have to be to install the pocket door?

Nice product, nice sales job. Will definitely be looking to use at the next opportunity.

Those are beautiful! If you want to come to West Texas and retro fit a couple of these into a 60s house, you’re more than welcome to! 😁

Used Sliding glass patio doors can be turned into awesome pocket doors. You put mirror tint on one side and wallpaper on the other.

awesome video, Thanks Matt for the video! I will definitely check these guys out for my Reno.

@buildshow

3 жыл бұрын

Please do!

Awesome work! The difference is staggering !

Have installed too many of those cheap ones...never have been satisfied with the finish product. These look great!

You're basically in the advertising business. I use heavy duty track and rollers and make the 1 3/4" doors run in a 2 x 6 wall with two by lumber on the flat each side. Very substantial.

A couple of upgrades to the standard door like a padding in back and groove in the bottom would be fairly easy.

@jeffeverde1

3 жыл бұрын

You'd still have a cheap (in quality and price) carriage and flimsy track. That said - if I install another builder-grade slider, I'm stealing that foam bumper idea and replacing the nylon stop button with a couple layers of neoprene.

@johnwayne2103

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffeverde1 I don't see the sponge lasting for more than a couple of years before it either rots or collapses due to the pressure of the door leaning on it. The trick is replacing it. I am from the school of simplicity and easy access and maybe using an off the self soft closing mechanism like this one is a better alternative? www.amazon.com/Universal-Cabinet-Soft-Close-Adapters-Unisoft/dp/B004SB9MPQ/ref=asc_df_B004SB9MPQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=216767797588&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9883826414904246092&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010955&hvtargid=pla-377617197744&psc=1

Excellent presentation brother.

I bought three of these after watching this video. Really happy I did,

I have 4 original pocket doors in my house that was built in 1905. Attaching a piece of weather stripping to the back edge of the door works very well. I replaced the rollers in 1979 when I bought the house, and again in 2016 when I reconditioned the interior of the home. The most important parts of any installation : Who is doing it is #1, and the quality of materials being used is #2. The CS frame is awesome, but so is top choice select lumber. Also, if your going to use aluminum, why not spot weld instead of screw the parts in place.

Thank you Matt this is really good to know and we can show it to customers so they understand why to pay extra and what the difference really is. Great job. Yes we are subscribed and also like this video. Painters will also love it because they can remove the door and spay it in the garage instead to do it onsite. Could you look for a good quality extension level. We still be looking around for one which fit the budget but also is high quality. We found Stabila but cost like $300 and we found Empire for about $100 and a interesting fordable from Bosh for $150... Extruded aluminum is always very good to be used. Especially for Saw's as guides and stands but now as a Pocket good is really a nice strong feature. Especially in wet areas I think the aluminum will shine even more.

@scorpio6587

3 жыл бұрын

Ask Kyle at RR Buildings about a good extension level: kzread.info/dron/WXEQsK3UiHszjwgGN5HUeQ.html

A earth magnet to catch the door open. I like to set the door glide back 1/2 and not expose the notch in the bottom of the door. Good product, I am familiar with Hafele. Thank you sir.

AWESOME! Going to put these in my basement. Expensive, but SO worth it.

First you have to train framers to use levels and a tape measure

@scorpio6587

3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha

@peterkroeker753

3 жыл бұрын

I've yet to encounter a square and level house....

Great video, so much detail.

oh god, so deep in details which I'm looking for long...thx

I've been thinking about doing 4 retrofit cavity sliders. What a nightmare! Finding a builder to do this where I live during Covid. I really like the soft open/close idea.

"Cavity Sliders" sounds like a nightmare dental product.

@dubradiolol

3 жыл бұрын

“Cavity Sliders, where we smoothly penetrate your opening”

@TheFiremonkeyman

3 жыл бұрын

either that or candy from white castle

@MrJyoung856

3 жыл бұрын

My old prison name

@jameslastname9171

3 жыл бұрын

Adult toys.

@CavitySlidersUSA

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha touché

Love the Moose Knuckle adjust at 1:51🤣🤣🤣

More than 20 years ago issues with pocket doors led me to build "boxes" for the pocket, using full panels of standard 3/4" OSB for each face, secured to cleats of various configurations on the top, bottom and vertical at the stud. Make sure dry-in is finished, and they never move. Warning: DO NOT use 1 1/4" drywall screws ( 1" ONLY!) as the tips will just poke through the back of the panel, and create havoc with the door, if the guides aren't perfect (or the door itself bows a bit). Advantage is the trim attachment: it is over wood, so finish gun works fine. For 2x6 walls, we build the frames around a standard track, usually with 1 5/8" metal studs. At the opening side, use a stud with a track wrapped over, to form a box section. Bomber. It is also possible to use LVL (might need 1 1/2" if the door itself is thick) or LSL as flat studs, in the thicker walls, and is well worth doing.

Wow timely video! I will be ordering a pocket door system this week, install in 3 weeks, definitely giving them a strong consideration, after all its my own house

@buildshow

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Good people at Cavity Slider. Wish you the best on your project. Matt

You said "heith" @1:20 lol. I've only noticed this phenomenon with only a few people in my life but it gets me every time! Awesome video, sir :)

My "en suite" is 48x54 not counting the 30x30 shower bumpout. Perfect candidate for a pocket door. Even though I'd have to tear out the wall this looks like it would be worth every agonizing minute of the process.

I love pocket doors. I can see the difference thank for that video

I truly love your attention to details and how you explain things, you are just like Enez Yilmazire and am forever Grateful subscribing to your channel and his channel too. You guys are the best and shout out to Chikis Krulsawat and Danny Lush and Darren. Darren u are keeping it real. Shout out to Mattbangwood

I love pocket doors and I wanted to put them in my home design but the failure rate gave me pause. I think I found the solution.

@oltedders

3 жыл бұрын

Get out your check book. You'll need to have a custom door built to accommodate receiving high quality pocket door hardware. Even high end builder grade doors don't have enough solid material where it counts to install the hardware efficiently. Soft close/hard close, add $60 per door. A high functioning trouble free door is a custom build start to finish.

@namAehT

3 жыл бұрын

@@oltedders Rather than buying a custom door, I feel like I'll probably make one or modify a non-specialized door for the hardware

Sweet...now I love pocket doors again!

These internal cavity sliders, leak air like crazy down here in OZ, Matty. None of the houses down here have warm attic spaces. Some of them, when you blower door test @ 50Pa, they automatically close. Pretty neat home feature.

Amazing. Here! Take my money!

Love the content! Very helpful.

Awesome stuff Matt! 😃👍🏻👊🏻

@buildshow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Fred. Always appreciate your support! How long have you been watching my channel now? Sure appreciate your comments. Matt

@FredMcIntyre

3 жыл бұрын

@@buildshow Thanks Matt, I appreciate your appreciation and all of the great info that you share, not sure exactly when I came across your channel, but I think it's been at least two years that I've been following along. 😃👍🏻👊🏻

Thank you for the information.

Yes, I agree, spending more money to buy better quality material or products make the difference in time.

Thank you for sharing this.

Wow, thanks for showing this...As a remodeling contractor, for even longer than you, :)...I've always HATED pocket doors...I try to avoid them at all cost, but; I like that cavity assembly...State of the art hardware...I found a place near me that carries them..

Nice door, when we remodeled our old house in CA Pocket doors were not allowed for bedrooms or bathrooms. I believe the reason was if the fire got into the wall cavity it could disrupt the ability for the door to open properly. Paul

We had 8 ft tall, 4 ft wide (each) double pocket doors in an ancient house when I as a kid. They were over 110 years old and still moving smoothly. . When its done right, they won't have problems.

@donabele1243

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, and those didn't have fancy aluminum track or high-tech roller bearings!

@MatthewLiegey

3 жыл бұрын

@@donabele1243 cast bronze casters with a 3" diameter!

I loooove pocket doors! i have them in both my home.

Great video. I bid on a job last week. While not a pocket door job, my work compared to others is like comparing CavitySlider to standard pocket door hardware. I was a couple of hundred more. I didn't get the gig. People don't care. They'd rather cheap out and complain later when having to repair it.

Definetly buying this thanks!

Pocket door problem! I have 4 pocket doors in my second floor with attic above. In hot weather I can smell the attic when I walk underneath the headers. Make sure you seal that header somehow!

Terrific! I'm sold.. now to go see if i can even get them.in Tucson...lol

I’d love to see a video of how your guys did the dry wall and trim out for this pocket door…

Give Gilbert an extra beer for his efforts, he rocks!

@buildshow

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Love Gilbert!

Man this is way better than the wood ones !!!

Good video enjoy the details