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@bstevenson1002

5 жыл бұрын

What ball is that ur using?

Only bowled for about 1 1/2 years. Took lessons at ITRC. Gone to nationals. Did not know much about the tape. So I watched your video with intensity. Tonight is league night of 58 teams in Dallas area. I work on my pearl statement setting up the tape as you said. Team members were having a heart attack because we're in 16th place. Shot 189 and 246. My highest game ever. I was so thankful you created this youtube channel. Yes, I'm a 68 old year male trying to catch up on a sport I never tried.

3 years after this was made and its one of the most valuable lessons I've seen. Thank you Jr!

Been bowling for 2 years takin lessons, practicing hard and this video told me more about fit and tape then anyone at the shops or alleys. Thank you!

Thank you JR. I wish I saw this video 4 years ago. Very informative.

Thank you, for your lessen & comments. Very helpful.🎳

I tape my thumb...Turbo Grip on the “inside” (pad) and Vise Hada on the backside...nice tight fit and a clean release. I know it’s more expensive because it’s a one-time use, but it doesn’t gunk up my thumb hole.

Very nice info!! I have never used tape in my thumb hole and may have to try it out now that I know why exactly the pros use it.

Good info. I’ll try it in my next league night. Hopefully it helps the feel of ball.

I like that triton elite in the background

thanku for demonstrating the different ticknic on taping the thumb hole..

Hey JR, love your channel! Got any tips for two handers ? Make a video! =)

Good stuff...thanks

Thank U JR!

“Here’s the rule of thumb.” Nice unintentional pun!

I've used a custom molded thumb slug for several years and it truly is the perfect fit for me so far. And my hand swells and contracts constantly. So I've never had to use tape. I still carry tape just in case, but I've never used it. My issue with tape is the different textures and feel. Both white textured tape and black slick tape feel strange to me. When I used to use it, it never felt good with me. I'd still use it, but was never confident with my release. Hence the custom molded thumb. To each their own, but I guess I got lucky with my custom slug.

JR - always appreciate the tips and insights. I went to the Bowler X site after this video and was unable to locate the three types of tape used in the video. Maybe you could have a selection of the three tape types available with the cases so we can purchase and try to follow your suggestions?

In Louisville Ky. Ooohhh yeah

JR. Is your friend the Steve Novak that bowled at Saginaw Valley 2005 ish time frame? If so, please tell him Martez (Tez) Banks says hello. I was a teammate and bowled with him and Anthony Lacaz. Great tips. Keep up the good work.

Great info. Love the necklace! God Bless!!!

What ball is this? Looks beautiful 😻

In my opinion, the biggest point here is that all of us bowlers should have a really tight fit for the thumb hole. If I get even a little room around the thumb, I can not release the ball cleanly. I always say that the rule is: If you can push the thumb in the thumb hole, then you have to be able to get out of it as well. The more room you have in that slug, your thumb will want to grab the ball and instead of getting a faster and cleaner release, you will get hangs and drops on the line. To explain to a beginner bowler how should it fit on the thumb, I take out the thumb insert and let them try to slide it on my thumb. When that person realizes how much pressure it takes to get that slug on my thumb, they realize how far you can go to get a really good fit on the thumb, and still get a super clean release (no swelling and no marks on the thumb). Tapes are a huge part of that fit, and feel, and a big deal in getting a bowler to reach that desired tightness inside the thumbhole.

@Skeer0

2 жыл бұрын

So what you're saying is that I shouldn't be able to slide my thumb in and out of the thumb hole with zero friction? I just had a ball drilled and there is small amount of wiggle room in the thumb area.

@igorhabljak3218

2 жыл бұрын

@@Skeer0 There should be no spaces aground your thumb that you can feel while holding the ball. Ideally, you should have a hard time pushing the thumb inside of the thumb hole. The tighter it is, the harder it is to fit it inside, less grip pressure you need to hold on to the ball and make a cleaner release.

I put my tape way down and bevel the top hard cuz I have problem hanging up in the top for longest time I even put turbo tape on that webbing of my hand to thumb there as well so it doesn’t hang up maybe I need to change my pitches who knows but tape down and tape on me as well makes sure it glides out cuz I would hang up and top the ball

I want to thank you for the tip as well JR. I do have one question I’m not sure has been answered yet if you could advise it would be helpful please. Just after my push way and the ball is now in the downswing am I feeling the ball more hanging from my thumb is it more hanging from my fingers am I trying to cup the ball as it’s on the way down. Or do I just relax as the arm heads back without thinking about it. Thank you in advance

Hey JR, How do I know if I should use a 1 inch tape or a 3/4 inch tape?

I enjoy your videos. They are to the point with clear instruction. I enjoyed the video on the tiered taping. I absolutely hate putting tape on the front of the ball. It just feels like my thumb is rubbing through sandpaper. After this video, I decided to give it a try. I put one piece a white tape on the front near the top four quick release. It's a fight to release my thumb. What would you recommend? I've actually tried this process using black tape at the back of the thumb.

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

Quicker release means you need to put the tape lower not higher. Lower the tape

I asked the shop to widen my thumbhole which was a big mistake. The space created is causing me to claw the ball instead of my just allowing the thumb to sit in straight with minimal wiggle room. I've added tape but it's only one thickness. I think to maximize the feel, you need multiple thicknesses just how JR mentioned here.

I am transitioning from a two finger grip to a thumb release grip. Which level turbo tape should I start out with to relieve thumb tension right at the pad? My ball does not have a thumb slug. Should I get a thumb slug first?

Do you recommend we use the rubber in the thumb hole or can this still be used in just a drilled ball without the rubber

How exactly can you tell if you release the ball slower or faster?

I know you said it in the video but I just want to clarify. I have a tendancy to grip the thumb hole so I should start the tape lower?

I have a question about what thumb tape to use.. I have found that the white tape seems to be a bit too tacky and 1 piece seems to be too much but none I drop it. What other tape do you recommend to take up space.. I feel the black tape might be too slick

Joe Slowinski has a great video on tiered taping. Same idea but you pre build a tiered tape insert ahead of time then you can add some smooth on the back to tighten it up if needed

@christopherascherl2411

5 жыл бұрын

I did this for my wife previously and it helped her tremendously.

@davidholgate5169

Жыл бұрын

Joe Video is great but i like the way JR explains the use of tape it now makes better sense.

Hi! I have a problem with the ball sticking to my hand, causing me to yank it/unnecessarily loft it. Do you recommend any of these tapes? Or something completely different?

Did you just say “rule of thumb” without saying no pun intended? Impressive.

All I do is wrap a piece of black turbo tape around the base of my thumb. Stops me from ever getting hung up. I put just enough to overlap it. No matter the swelling or non swelling, it’s a great fit every time. It basically ensures my thumb no matter what slides with the same consistency.

@TerryBollea1

5 жыл бұрын

I do that too. More for preventing cuts there.

@nicksmith8993

5 жыл бұрын

TerryBollea1 man I hear people having that problem. Never been an issue for me. I just have big ass hands so the base of my thumb kind of “Kankles” into my thumb lol. It all just rubs against the thumb hole. I just don’t feel any issues with the bottom part of the thumb hole so I’ve never done it before.

@jrazor28

5 жыл бұрын

They make thumb sleeves. Would that work just as well?

@TerryBollea1

5 жыл бұрын

@@jrazor28 No. Those things just hang up in the hole.

@nicksmith8993

5 жыл бұрын

jrazor28 I use sleeves in all my balls. But I still use the tape around the base of my thumb. Helps me even out week after week.

Nice video. Do you have e links for the tape? Amazon has a bunch of different types and I just want the ones you mentioned in this video. Thanks

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

amzn.to/2MP0ebl for the colored tape. All colors are the same texture.

What happens if you put the tape in the back instead of the front? I have always put mine in the back and I'm pretty sure my coaches did that for me as well

I thought JR Raymond, There was a thumb aid from late 80s to early 90s called the ThumBillow. Mostly it was a padded bandaid that was placed on the back of the thumb hole in the ball. Well it would give you a secure grip by relax the thumb from kinking. The back of the thumb would keep from getting that dingleberry burn sore. Would you think that can still be alternative aid these days?

@StephRenee812

8 ай бұрын

I just seen that. It start thin then loke a bike ramp it slides doen in the ball

I prefer tape in the back of my thumb so I can have a clean release on a slick slug. After watching this video, I spent $40 on Turbo tape. I put the textured tape in the front as JR did. After the first ball I almost ripped the skin off my thumb! The good news is I have enough tape to last me 3 seasons! LoL

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

Then your ball doesnt fit you

I'm dealing with quite a bit of rubbing/drag on the right side of my thumb near the crease/knuckle. I didn't have this issue with my last ball or the one before it but with this new ball something isn't right. I'm hoping some tape can allow my thumb to get out a little better because it's effecting my release/shot. I was thinking I should have the guy that drilled the ball open it up a tad more but hoping tape may help. Otherwise I'm gonna keep getting injured from the ball shredding my thumb up and having to wait weeks before I'm able to bowl again. That's the boat I'm in right now. 2 weeks off because of shredded skin. 😫

@StephRenee812

8 ай бұрын

Same

Hello Can you send me a long to those tapes? Thank you

I have always placed the tape on the back of my insert is that wrong?

Hey JR, If you were to start the tape at the bottom of your thumb hole, Do you lay over the next piece upwards? or do you continue to lay it downwards?

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

You could.. that would essentially be creating more reverse in your thumb. Makes it difficult when needing to remove pieces though

@andreang8995

5 жыл бұрын

@@Tenpindoctors Noted! Thank you so much!

I've been bowling for 20 years. My skin used to peel off inside my thumb, also on the outside. I have tape to put inside the hole but i'll never use it. I put 2 strips of tape on my thumb instead. One smaller strip around the base of my thumb and one longer on the outside (about 5-6 cm) that's right below my nail and over the knuckle. I have done that for a long time, years, and it's working fine. What do you think about that idea?

@pasta0328

Жыл бұрын

I recently started doing this as well. My thumb hole is too large so I naturally grip the ball. I have a callus on the side of my thumb furthest from my index finger. At the start of the night it's fine, but as my hand gets a little sweaty that callus will get tacky and I have a harder and harder time getting out of the ball And so, realizing my thumb hole is too big, I started bowling with two pieces of fit tape on that side of my thumb. That has worked wonders and the ball comes off much more cleanly BUT (and this is the real reason I'm posting this comment), I plan to go one step further. I plan to try this in combination with Joseph Slowinski's tiered taping technique. It's a similar concept to what J.R. showed, but you build up the tier completely outside the ball then place the tape in one go. Slowinski talks about creating a tiered tape specifically for your thumb. The end goal is to prevent yourself from gripping, resulting in a clean, quick release Anyways, I'll try that next and if I think of it I'll reply again with the results. If not, hopefully it'll give others more taping ideas 🙂

JR, I was always told "never tape the front of the hole, it will change the span. Only tape the back of the thumb hols" BS? I'm now thinking so. To clarify: you use the textured tape in the front, and smooth on the rear of the thumb hole? Thanks!

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah you were told wrong. It can change the span but that's how you change the feel to get what you want

At a PBA school many years ago, Carmen Salvino told us, "You don't need that sissy tape. When we got to a tournament, if our thumb hole was too big, we fixed it!" (Then he started slamming his hand/thumb on the table to make it swell up.) :-)

@dafeibi

5 жыл бұрын

BowlingLabRat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I may be strange, but my thumb is pretty much the same no matter how much or little I bowl. The main ball I have has the same tape in it i put in years ago and it feels the same every time I grip the ball.

@richardsymms404

5 жыл бұрын

Damn am I ever jealous! My thumb starts out too big then shrinks after a few frames or more and I have to add tape a little at a time until my thumb stops changing size. The problem? It is a huge variable until it stabilizes.

Would you ever use tape on your thumb and tape in the thumb hole at the same time? Or should u use them separately

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

Yes the tape on your thumb is more for protection and can take up space.. tape in the thumb creates texture and manipulates shape and how quick the ball comes off. Both is fine

So where do I out tape if I want my thumb to come out the ball faster?

@weBeatMedicare

4 жыл бұрын

2:16

Ah hAaaa !

How do you get the gunk off the insert when you take out the tape?

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

Dont leave it in for three years... it's meant to be changed every 3 games... lol

@TerryBollea1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Tenpindoctors aaaaahhhh. I stopped using it because I could never get the shit off.

@bullwinkle428

5 жыл бұрын

Rubbing alcohol works great. When the balls sit in their bags in the garage through the summer, I have to clean out all the thumbholes once the new season begins. That glue "oozing" absolutely creates a mess!

@TerryBollea1

5 жыл бұрын

@@bullwinkle428 yep. Ive learned to just adjust the reverse of my new balls, and tape up the base of my thumb. Solves most of my tralese issues for start of a series. Then my thumb swells, and makes a nice tight fit.

@bullwinkle428

5 жыл бұрын

@@TerryBollea1 JR is spot-on about changing it frequently, as I have no doubt the texture begins to change once your thumb pad begins to slide along the surface with every release. However, human nature being what it is (laziness and procrastination, LOL), I don't change it nearly as often as I should. Nothing beats "new tape feel", though!

Rakentaminen

OR >>>>>>> Belmo: " Don't use a thumb and simplify Your bowling immensely "

I can never get my tape right!! I either fall out or hang up. Arrrggh!!!!

No need to add tape If the thumb hole feels a pinch too big. Blow hot air into the thumb hole. It will make it feel just right.

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

That's a temporary and inconsistent fix that's not really a fix

There's a little Easter egg in the back there...

Do you have enough movies in the back?

My bad, thanks. Let me reverse it and give it a shot.

What is your email address?

no sound

@Tenpindoctors

5 жыл бұрын

Turn your volume up. Works fine

Hello JR I may have commented on this already but I do have a question since were talking about feel in a relative sense. Here is my question how does the ball feel in your hand from the start of push away through the backswing is it hanging off your thumb is it hanging off your finger and your thumb ? I still feel as if I apply a little too much grip pressure most times and maybe tightening up my thumb hole may be the answer I’m looking for. 💪🎳