Engine Killer (2) does 3 damage to super-heavy vehicles and more importantly Titans (after Void Shields), it is the Warhound weapon to frighten enemy Titans.

Think the plasma blast gun is missing small blast... Which it had in titanicus.

@valdezagv

7 ай бұрын

It’d be a nice touch

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Definitely need something!

@uh1066hastings

7 ай бұрын

Had the same thought. Not sure how much the blast would actually improve it, but at least it would then have something to recommend it over the turbo laser.

Great content, truly! Thank upu. I simply do not comprehend why GW so frequently avoids allowing a game effect to last until the affected unit is next activated. This is all one needs to do to make Quake and Shock Pulse useful.

@empireempire3545

7 ай бұрын

one could home rule this and note it with a simple marker

@d-rex7043

2 ай бұрын

Must be something to do with the alternate activations... perhaps suggesting that if you want to guarantee the lasting effect, you need to commit to firing it early... but then who's going to forego firing their shock & awe weapons first, just to make sure the enemy feels the full force of wobbly legs, for a little less movement?!

With magnets 🧲

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Magnets wont make an Ursus Claw any better :)

@PokkyJon

7 ай бұрын

IME, Blu tack is good enough, as long as you're not playing in a really hot room 😊

@BrooksSligh

7 ай бұрын

I see this all over the sub-reddit & facebook groups. While it is undeniably useful model-building advice it is not helpful as far as understanding how to equip warhounds or understand the interaction between the various guns.

@llmarts1002

6 ай бұрын

The problem is that they don’t have all the options listed in the rulebook in the launch box I personally used the swarmed missiles and the volkite

@generalsmite7167

5 ай бұрын

@@Hearesybut they do, you can remove them

Great vid! Just magnetising mine now:) Yeah they've done the Plasma Blastgun dirty. Shame as its going to be the most interesting to paint lol. Back in the OG titan legions it had a -4 save modifier, vs Turbo Laser Destructors' -2. It was 2/3rds of the range of the TLD too, not half. Ill be house ruling it I think

Great video .Wow , plasma blast gun really took a fall from its value compared to its use in AT.😂 Loving the idea of x2 swarm missles or x2 Volcan Mega bolters load out.

Brilliant as ever, keep them coming 👏

Really, really interested in this. The Titan loadouts are so much more complex and interesting than the more narrow armoured units in LI.

I appreciate you making this video mate. It's going to help me with the loadouts of my models. It's nice you did the thinking for us so we don't have to. 😅

This was great, can you do the other Titan chassis too? I've not yet looked at what Reavers, Warbringer, Warlords or even Warmasters can bring but even if you cover the same weapons I think the context of them being on a different chassis might change their viability and it would be great to hear a considered run down of them and your thoughts on them in the game sizes they can be taken!

Interesting stuff! I like the comparison between builds for AT vs LI. Sounds like the Ursus Claws (an iconic weapon from the books!) and the Blastgun are both under-tuned. Interesting look at the Forgeworld weapons, some excellent inspiration to pick up some of the more esoteric guns. Swarms/Grav, Dual-Beamers & Dual-Volkite all sound like a lot of fun.

the weapon options, specifically the way they have zero points costs, really highlights the flaws in the "all weapons are equal!" thing

New to this form of hobby and this is super useful! Probably gonna go Vulcan and inferno on 1 then graviton and diss on another

Nice one! Good content.

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I'm 30 seconds into the video as I type this, and I'm thrilled to hear the rundown on warhound weapons, but I know in my heart it's going to be ursus claws for my audax hounds no matter what because Betrayer is the best HH book.

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

The best way to be!

Great video - thanks 👍 Any chance of similar for knights?

I ran twin turbolaser destructors on one of my warhounds in Titanicus, and you better believe I'll be using it in LI.

Hi Heresy! Love these videos for Legions. Can you do one on Knight weapons options???

@Hearesy

6 ай бұрын

Definitely coming!

Maybe someone gave this idea in the comment section already, but loadouts I was considering would be Swarmer Misslies & Conversion Beam Dissoluter, Plasma Blastgun & Vulcan Mega-Bolter, Volkite & Melta, and twin turbo lasers. Mixing weapons based on ranges. I have 4 warhounds to work with currently

Really good points here. Would you mind telling me where the template hitting structures is referenced in the rulebook?

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Under the rules for structures, there is a sentence that says “units in a structure count, the whole structure as being their base”. A very important sentence!

My Warhounds are magnetised, but I will likely initially run two with: Vulcan/Graviton and Vulcan/Las to match my Titanicus Maniple. That said, I have considered putting two-of each weapon name in a hat and drawing two out for each Warhound before each game!

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

This is a great idea!

Where can one find the 'conversion beam dissolutor' and/or the 'graviton eradicator'? I do own both a Warhound (AT) box and the LI coreset but these 2 are not among the 9 (!) options I do have... Oh. And subscribed. Well deserved!

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! Both are FW resin unfortunately :(

Plasma Blastgun instantly becomes a relevant option by simply adding (Blast 3") to it with no other changes.

Very usefull, can you do the reaver titan ? I ordered 1 and still waiting for the minis and the rules.

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Itll be along at some point!

Would be interesting to compare the conversion beam option to that of the Direwolf since they both fit in that same 1500 point game range.

I'm convinced they just forgot to put blast on the titan's plasma weapons... They have it in adeptus titanicus, and they're all just bad versions of other guns without it.

Just an example to feed the fire that is “GW will be issuing errata for errors to weapon profiles,” I spotted an example of play on pg. 76 in Split Fire that states the Plasma Blastgun has a 3-dice attack profile.

Quake needs an FAQ I also feel that they removed alot of Blast markers and also needed a 1" or 2" blast markers.

@escapo6895

7 ай бұрын

Plasma Blastgun would make a lot more sense if it had 3” Blast, for instance.

If the Conversion Beam Dissoluter had beam you could first fire it on turn one and have a non trivial chance of destroying half the buildings on the table. Not giving it beam means it's balanced.

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

The point wasnt that it should keep all of the same rules and have beam, just that not having beam seems out of place for a literal beam!

Good vid. Can you do knights if you haven't already. I think i recognize that voice and if I say that you should, just play in Liverpool I guess you'll know what I mean. 😉

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Knights on the way definitely! And yes, correct :P Not a secret though - I just dont have any reason to talk about it on the channel!

Can you do these for the other titans?

I'll probably house rule quake to be "until the end of the next movement phase". It's a shame to have a strategically interesting ability to go to waste. Also, unlike volkite which has deflagrate plasma is missing it's classic rules spice "gets hot for big damage" rules. It's odd there's no generic Gets Hot rule but we get wacky stuff like collapsing singularity. As for improvements I'd suggest Power Capacitor.

Can you do this kind of video for raver and warlord??

@Hearesy

5 ай бұрын

I will get round to them :)

You should include the image of the weapon it helps to identify them

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Most things in my video production are tradeoffs of time - unfortunately I just dokt have time to make anything more fancy, as much as I’d love to!

Shudder missiles have barrage, could be very nice weapon to stay at distance, safe and pepper the enemy whole game. Could use one more dice tho.

Thinkin about giving my first warhound 2x missiles (since the plastic kit doesnt come with mega bolters) and the second 2 volkites, cuz of the lolz :D

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Theyre both good loadouts, nothing wrong with them!

Something strange I've noticed is that while heavier plasma weapons have Blast in 40k, including the same plasma blastgun that's on the warhound titan, they don't in epic, even though epic uses blast templates. Do you think having Blast 3" would rescue the warhound plasma blastgun?

@Hearesy

6 ай бұрын

Yeah for sure. A lot of people want that as a fix and I think it’d be great and put the various plasma weapons on par with the other viable choices.

On the Ursus claw. Aren’t all titans in LI the same scale? So it’s a 4+ but then a straight roll off for damage that ignores voids. Seems okay to me, even if not great.

@josiahburkhardsmeier3119

7 ай бұрын

Ahh, I see re-reading the Impale rule. wounds remaining adding the extra results to your role, so against and I damaged larger Titan you are at a disadvantage.

The Plasma Blastgun was the single most overpowered weapon in Adeptus Titanicus. In a way it's good to see it brought down a bit for LI but they may have gone too far.

🤠

I'm greatly, greatly confused at the Inferno Gun being A tier. Had it had the old Torrent rule to give it some more range and some strong angle-game i might agree, but its SO SHORT and a Warhound getting that close to infantry is usually bad news. I struggle to even get the Infernus tanks to get any worth and theyre way cheaper for an AP1 version of that gun

Hah, yeah, there are quite a few weapon options in LI that are like, who would ever take this? I feel like AOS did a great job of making simple unit costs with all the alternative weapons have a different role and function, but they haven't translated that to the 40k setting well yet, and even less so in LI/EPIC. I'm looking at you leman russ battle cannon...throw blast in there or something :D

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Nerfing the vanquisher would be more appropriate - the battlecannon is great for the cost on a 2+ save tank!

Its a shame they suck but this wont stop me making a pack of Legio Audax warhounds with ursus claws for my world eaters, I cant resist!

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Maybe theyll get a buff one day!

For myself personally I'll probably go Graviton/VMB or Infero/VMB

Until I get the other arm sprue, I’m gonna run a volkite and swarm missile. I’d like a inferno/bolter combo though

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Yeh! Inferno/Bolter, Double Conversion Beam, and Grav/Missiles are what I'll be running early I reckon.

I agree the matrix Lance isn't all that strong. Something to mention is that by having it on your warhound and even if it's not in fire first, your opponent has to make sure their titan activates before your warhound or risk losing much of the effectiveness of their titan for the turn. Think of it as a way to control your opponents activations, you can keep much of your guys in cover from the enemy titan forcing him to have to deal with your warhound first or risk losing their titan weapons for the turn. Also titans aren't that fast or maneuverable. Once you're in range you will stay in range.l as anything heavier than a warhound has to march to even have a chance of getting away. Situational I know but just something to think about

I think the Titan Plasma Weaponry should have Blast (and possible was mean to). It just seems so off. Large Plasma Weapons are traditionally blast weapons in Warhammer, and as of right now Titans are largely missing blast (except the Mori Quake Cannon). The blast mechanic isn't very common in LI it seems, so IMO titan weapons, particularly the Plasma Weapons, are the perfect opportunity to add more blast to the game

I’m just not sure if I want to include them at all, the other stuff is just so important!

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

I love them if you have a role for then. A more expansive discussion for a future vid, but I think if you have a role for them they are excellent.

@marcmiddleton2277

7 ай бұрын

@Hearesy I would almost debate running 3 in a larger game. Kinda wish all the larger titans could run 1 in the Formation as an add on. Be a cool flavor thing.

@escapo6895

7 ай бұрын

@@HearesyI’d love to see an analysis of Titan durability overall vs. vehicles and other Titans. For their high price, it sure looks like they are remarkably fragile, particularly against anything with Engine Killer. I need to get some games in, but it seems entirely too easy to one-shot a Reaver with a Warbringer Nemesis, for instance.

What are the size of the minis? Are the Warhounds the same as the Titans game and are the flying units the same as the Aeronautica game?

@Miniwargaming101

7 ай бұрын

They use the same exact models as from Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis. The miniatures are in the same scale as the new Legions stuff.

Shame there’s no mega bolter on the sprue in the box, being such a classic Warhound gun.

@lewiskeal977

7 ай бұрын

how do we get the missing weapons?

@FlyingNinjaish

7 ай бұрын

​@@lewiskeal977Those are all on the old Adeptus Titanicus sprue. Presumably those will be in the box when the warhounds get a solo release.

@septemberisblack

6 ай бұрын

right???? why have all these options but none of the good ones in the starter box?

If you can walk into buildings and destroy them, plus have a high caf, you really want to be getting close to get the most out of your points.

Is it a coincidence that the 2 resin weapons are both class

The Plasma Blast gun is so powerful in AT and the TLD is not good for warhound there, they want them good somewhere

So, roughly medium to good weapons in AT are not so good in LI and medium-good weapons in LI are not so good in AT. Time to invest in magnets and extra weapon sprues lol

Cynical hat on - in AT plasma blast guns, are one of the best Warhound weapons, with the Plasma, Gatling blast gun being seen as the standard and most efficient load out. Having the PBG tuned so low for Legions, coupled with the fact that hounds and hound weapons are the trickiest to magnetise, it would seem to me To be a way for GW to money grab and force AT players who are more likely than not to want to get into Legions to get the new kits instead of being able to rely on their exist ling collections.

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Wouldnt be surprised!

@editor2766

7 ай бұрын

The kits are set up for magnetising. I don't think a company that does that then distorts the whole design process for a tiny economic benefit.

Jesus, those Plasma rules have got to be a typo right?

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

You'd hope so!

"Gamesworkshop somehow always misvalues a reroll" oh boy aint that the truth.... 40k in the past is absolutely covered in GW giving some armies rerolls everywhere almost for free, and it baffles me. Sure i'd rather 3+ to hit vs 5+ with rerolls but thats about it, if i hit better than 5s if i can get a reroll it easily outscales better BS.

All the good weapons are the ones that don’t come in the starter set 😂

@Hearesy

7 ай бұрын

Magnets :)

Fluff! The reason the Conversion Beam weapon hasn't got 'Beam' and the Volkite does, is that the volkite beam can be swept through a range of targets, hitting each along its path, but the Conversion weapons' beam of energy must be properly targeted in a given spot to generated the desired effect. #paraphrased