Legion Discussion & Tier List (Legions Imperialis)

In this video, I tell you all about the Legion rules for the Space Marines of Legions Imperialis.
I tell you which ones are good, which ones are not so good, and finally bring it all together into a release-day Tier list!
If you're trying to decide on a legion and want to understand more about the rules, this is the video for you.
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Intro 00:00
In this video... 00:16
Choosing a Legion 00:30
Legion Rules 03:14
Tier List 32:05

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  • @rgc3060
    @rgc30607 ай бұрын

    Easily best Heresy videos on KZread, welcome back!

  • @rdmths
    @rdmths7 ай бұрын

    You need to know that your videos are super good and helpful, you are a great source of info and easily one of the best heresy channels on youtube.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Thank you! Very kind :)

  • @myrar8708
    @myrar87087 ай бұрын

    Good to see you are back! Your videos are really helpful for a newbie like me to learn the game. Still hoping you will finish your series on Heresy 2.0

  • @neilkirkley1500
    @neilkirkley15007 ай бұрын

    Great video, great that you are back, I'm super excited for Legions!

  • @Furythrow2
    @Furythrow27 ай бұрын

    Exciting to have your videos back. Even more tempted to dive into tiny heresy

  • @niklas3947
    @niklas39477 ай бұрын

    Great to have you back, your videos are such a great resource in grasping the general concepts of HH, I recommend them to anyone trying to get into Heresy. Your Legion guides, your unit guides, they are incredibly useful in structuring a lot of the very many choices you have in list building in a way that actually helps rather than overwhelm.

  • @PokkyJon
    @PokkyJon7 ай бұрын

    Good stuff. Great to have you back!

  • @mrdelaney4440
    @mrdelaney44407 ай бұрын

    That escalated 😂 only just seen you community post. Good to see you back.

  • @warpaintjj
    @warpaintjj7 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for this, welcome back. You helped me soo much with 30k & the same with this game. Keep ‘em coming chum 👌

  • @therealneal9980
    @therealneal99807 ай бұрын

    So glad I found your channel, easily the best Horus Heresy channel on KZread! As for me, I'll be matching my Legions Imperialis army to my 30K army and represent the glorious First Legion, the Dark Angels!

  • @joshualetchford2034
    @joshualetchford20347 ай бұрын

    Now this is the video I was looking for! Thanks!

  • @Vaw.
    @Vaw.7 ай бұрын

    Been waiting for your series to continue for heresy 2.0 I’m so glad you’re back

  • @LanternBearer
    @LanternBearer7 ай бұрын

    Yes! I am looking forward to this video. I am still rewatching your content from time to time and am really excited. Alas I'm not into Imperialis. Will still watch it. :)

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Maybe you will be once you watch it :)

  • @Kardine
    @Kardine6 ай бұрын

    Happy to see you are back !

  • @goforitpainting
    @goforitpainting7 ай бұрын

    Thank you for sharing it.

  • @-Joe--
    @-Joe--7 ай бұрын

    Interesting. Great video. I wonder if there will be a crazy meta with lots of space wolves to counter the infiltrating Legions...

  • @gosupaints5186
    @gosupaints51867 ай бұрын

    All hail the return of the king! Welcome back bud it made my day seeing you released a new video! Have a good one!

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Its great to be back!

  • @InquisitorAstelon
    @InquisitorAstelon7 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this. I run Alpha Legion in 30K and wasn't expecting them to be so good in LI. Was thinking about Imperial Fists but now I'm not sure.

  • @AdamSaltFPV
    @AdamSaltFPV7 ай бұрын

    Great video! I’m glad I’m not getting shafted, just started putting my 1500 pts of Iron Warriors together. I went infantry heavy with 3 demi companies nearly identical; Hq, 2 Tac(+4ml each), contemptor talon, 9 rhinos. Then added a Fire raptor, a warhound, and a couple extra rhines to get to 1499.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    This is pretty much what my 1500 Iron Hands looks like too!

  • @scoe5908
    @scoe59087 ай бұрын

    Chuffed to see you back mate

  • @jackmglauser
    @jackmglauser7 ай бұрын

    Welcome back mate!

  • @andrewpavone5429
    @andrewpavone54297 ай бұрын

    Yes yes yes - welcome back!!

  • @huntereyeofdarkwood5417
    @huntereyeofdarkwood54177 ай бұрын

    Its good to see you back. Hope you are doing well

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Im great!

  • @veeeepeeee
    @veeeepeeee7 ай бұрын

    welcome back!

  • @Chewie2208
    @Chewie22087 ай бұрын

    This won't change my mind for the legion I'm choosing, as I'm more of a rule of cool kind of guy, but this is a really good video. Welcome back!

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Same, didnt change mine either, and I might even be overly optimistic on how good my legion are haha! And thanks

  • @zeke3327
    @zeke33277 ай бұрын

    Hell yeah he's back!

  • @greyknight8192
    @greyknight81927 ай бұрын

    WELCOME BACK!

  • @theserpentlodge3723
    @theserpentlodge37237 ай бұрын

    You’re back 🎉

  • @viktor2563
    @viktor25637 ай бұрын

    You're alive!

  • @Hav0k373
    @Hav0k3737 ай бұрын

    The return of the King 👑

  • @Valfodur
    @Valfodur7 ай бұрын

    He’s back!

  • @jessecabruen3817
    @jessecabruen38177 ай бұрын

    The Return of the King

  • @steveedwards1012
    @steveedwards10127 ай бұрын

    The 30k goat is back!

  • @jakubfabisiak9810
    @jakubfabisiak98107 ай бұрын

    My starter box came in the mail today - pretty stoked. Of course, in classic GW style, the miniatures in the starter set don't make a legal force, since the Legion demi-company can only have one battle tank detachment, and there's two in the starter box. So to remedy that, I ordered a kratos squadron to make an armored company. Was really hard not to order a whole bunch of extras, but I'll wait for the additional releases to see what I want in my army.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    The starter box is pretty bad as a starter army yeh (even though its good value by gw standards). Feels like it needed to be bigger but they wanted to keep it cheap. Oh well, we were going to buy more anyway, right :)

  • @jakubfabisiak9810

    @jakubfabisiak9810

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Hearesy yeah. Especially that it doesn't come with any terrain. I went with the starter + kratos tanks because I wanted to get my hands on the rules first, and figure out how I want to build my army first. Right now I'm leaning towards another box of infantry, another kratos, and maybe a thunderhawk, then focus on getting the auxilia to 1500, and then we'll see

  • @michaelschonhofen622
    @michaelschonhofen6223 ай бұрын

    For the Blood Angels special rule and ability to fight twice, you have to be careful, consider that the enemy will get an additional dice.

  • @phoenixdragoon
    @phoenixdragoon7 ай бұрын

    finallyyyyyyyyyyyyy a new videoooooooooooooooooo

  • @shinraco
    @shinraco7 ай бұрын

    Welcome back.

  • @princeofbieltan
    @princeofbieltan7 ай бұрын

    THE RETURN OF THE KING 🎉

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    The also-king is also available at: www.youtube.com/@princeofbieltan

  • @princeofbieltan

    @princeofbieltan

    7 ай бұрын

    ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥@@Hearesy

  • @cherrycherry570
    @cherrycherry5707 ай бұрын

    HE RETURNS!!!!

  • @hhwaadmin
    @hhwaadmin7 ай бұрын

    Lets goooooooo!

  • @TheKingElfstone
    @TheKingElfstone4 ай бұрын

    Interesting to see if you would revise any of these now we have had more stuff...

  • @BobaFettishX82
    @BobaFettishX827 ай бұрын

    I honestly think the Death Guard have the ability to really mess with an enemy’s tactics depending on how they use their Dangerous Terrain ability. Turning an Objective Area or Building into Dangerous Terrain can be nasty. Adding to the fact that they ignore Dangerous Terrain themselves, that can be really beneficial.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Yep. If it works, it will work great. But I fear a lot of the time it will just be inconsequential.

  • @batteredwarrior

    @batteredwarrior

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@HearesyI couldn't disagree more with regard to it being "inconsequential". I think it will be useful every single game. 1. It makes it very difficult for the enemy to funnel your troops. 2. You can put the enemy off entering up to 4 buildings by boobytrapping them...if there is an objective in a building you have boobytrapped, they will be risking death entering and exiting said building. 3. You can pass through boobytrapped objectives without a care. How is that not super useful? General consensus online is it's one of the stronger legion abilities.

  • @enixraghunath703
    @enixraghunath7037 ай бұрын

    In the couple games I've played with Raven guard the infiltrate hasn't helped one bit. They get bombed by my opponents Marauder as soon as it's on table in the movement phase. Collosus bombs are nasty

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Once there are more units, you can infiltrate/fwd deploy AA. Marauders are OP (spoiler alert for future video…) but can be easily countered!

  • @blecao
    @blecao7 ай бұрын

    Solar auxilia just get none? or will be covered on other video?

  • @CatCraine
    @CatCraine5 ай бұрын

    I appreciate the discussion on choice of army and tier list at the end, but man do I feel the actual available range is rather... anemic. The Solar don't have access to big artillery yet, a bunch of dreadnoughts are still coming, and the White Scars don't even have bikes!

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    5 ай бұрын

    Indeed. I look forward to doing it again with more units!

  • @ap315
    @ap3157 ай бұрын

    Will still play them but oh man the Thousand Sons ability is just bad. Commanders already have an invulnerable save. Magnus did wrong sure, but not enough to deserve this. Nice to see you’re back

  • @cyberdan42
    @cyberdan427 ай бұрын

    Disagree with the Death Guards, I think they are average, the ability to drop dangerous terrain (likely) on at least one objective and thus tip the balance on that (or those if multiple) objectives decisively to the Death Guard player is worthy of Well-Balanced tier. Poor Space Wolves truly have the worst rule, but ironically their Legion rule is actually potentially one of the ways to nerf the influence of the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion infiltraters. Weird but true.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    I had them in average right up until I filmed… I certainly wouldnt die on hat hill. Theyre very variable.

  • @HeavyD6
    @HeavyD67 ай бұрын

    Where would you put put Solar Auxilia in the tier list? Or is that for another video?

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeh probably for another video!

  • @rangerbadger7304

    @rangerbadger7304

    7 ай бұрын

    Yes please do a solar aux vid.

  • @heckinmemes6430
    @heckinmemes64307 ай бұрын

    RISE OF THE BIRD BOYS!

  • @TheBaronVSP
    @TheBaronVSP7 ай бұрын

    I'm on the fence between 4 legions: SoH, World Eaters, Imperial Fists, Salamanders.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    I didnt go into it in timhis vid but like, an assault formation of WE, a shooty formation of IF, etc would be super optimal AND great for hobby!

  • @arrontillman6109
    @arrontillman61097 ай бұрын

    Wouldn't the Space Wolves legion shut down the very powerful tier legions?

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Not shut down, just "slightly reduce the power of". In most missions they can even still be on the centre objectives despite the SW ability. But since the Space Wolves have no other ability, their ability means RG or AL get a reduced power ability... which is still more than the Wolves have got. So still a bad trade off for them!

  • @brothercaptaincog5345
    @brothercaptaincog53457 ай бұрын

    Wow your back you been okay?

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Im very good thank you!

  • @enixraghunath703
    @enixraghunath7037 ай бұрын

    What about weapons with demolisher with buildings being so important I foresee MANY players bringing Bombers and titans that can easily destroy the buildings and infantry with the n

  • @enixraghunath703

    @enixraghunath703

    7 ай бұрын

    Within*

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Agree.

  • @matthewstratford177
    @matthewstratford177Ай бұрын

    They should really add a points cost to legion traits. At 35pts for a basic marine base they are already too cheap when compared to 30pts for las troops

  • @johnondich-batson9066
    @johnondich-batson90667 ай бұрын

    Thousand Sons shafted again, but too bad, I'm playing them anyways.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    The way of the true fan! I told myself I was playing Iron Hands even if they were bad, but Im not sure how faithful I would have been when it came to the crunch, haha.

  • @benwpersonal
    @benwpersonal7 ай бұрын

    Are you Ben Curry from the Bad Dice Podcast back in the day?

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Nope, he is a lot more Southern than I am!

  • @14DEADSOUL
    @14DEADSOUL7 ай бұрын

    He lives

  • @Denumine1
    @Denumine17 ай бұрын

    Salamander all the way!!!! 🥳

  • @andreasell1830
    @andreasell18307 ай бұрын

    I hope you comeback even for the main Horus heresy game...

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Maybe, not on the cards right now but I nearly made a video on yesterday’s FAQ!

  • @robertpastoris791
    @robertpastoris7917 ай бұрын

    The good thing is you can paint whatever Legion you like and say it has been Alpha Legion the whole time...

  • @nehrigen
    @nehrigen7 ай бұрын

    Sons of Horus will reroll ones 1/2 the time, ranges aren't that long in this game.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeh, not all the time, and when they do its just 1s on weapons that normally hit on 5s… just not great.

  • @escapo6895

    @escapo6895

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Hearesy RR 1's is a flat 16.7% increase in damage regardless of the original hit value, which I think will always be significant as long as the conditions are met. Compared to the other legion rules in Below Average / Weak, SoH and UM aren't even really that situational and there is no counterplay. I think they will prove to be better than predicted, though it will not result in dramatic events like clutching initiative on a key turn with EC, for instance.

  • @vladimirpugh194
    @vladimirpugh1946 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the great summary! I have a question about the 1+ armour save, either on the warbringer or due to USRs; RAW, a nat1 is always a failed save, so I read a 1+ save as "even at -1, you still get a 2+ save", not as an auto-pass. Is there any rule that states that a 1+ save is an auto-pass on the armour save?

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    6 ай бұрын

    Yep, 1+ is an auto pass in imperialis on saves.

  • @vladimirpugh194

    @vladimirpugh194

    6 ай бұрын

    thanks :) found it in the rulebook as well @@Hearesy

  • @michaeljuul142
    @michaeljuul1427 ай бұрын

    Its a shame that the Thousand Sons trait seems so bad, compared to other traits that is army / field wide

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeh :( i would have liked to have seen it be a 5+ but only for infantry.

  • @BbMiniatures

    @BbMiniatures

    7 ай бұрын

    They should have leaned into Divination and making an army that is unique to orders. Something in the form of being able to change a certain number of orders per turn. 1 per formation. This and paired with their Command HQ, you have an army wide special rule that feels like you're a member of the Corvide guiding your entire legion to victory.

  • @marcmiddleton2277
    @marcmiddleton22777 ай бұрын

    They kinda made legion rules real minor considering the Scale and Infantry is minor 🤣

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Unless you’re RG, AL, WE or IF :)

  • @marcmiddleton2277

    @marcmiddleton2277

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Hearesy or Solar Auxillary in buildings 🤣

  • @Balevolt
    @Balevolt7 ай бұрын

    Wow, some of these need a second pass, kinda like Heresy.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    It feels very reminiscent indeed. Like generally really great, and then just a few that were… wtf. Lets hope we dont descend as far as the Heresy followup books and PDFs…

  • @Balevolt

    @Balevolt

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Hearesy I do as well, I may not have picked Imperialis (My group picked BattleTech earlier this year) but it's still an expensive game and I want people to get what they pay for.

  • @andrewbakescakes9684
    @andrewbakescakes96847 ай бұрын

    IF with the OP rules. Barf.

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    What kind of GW game would it be if IF got bad rules?

  • @andrewbakescakes9684

    @andrewbakescakes9684

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Hearesy - 9th Edition? But good point. I am so sick of the Yellow.

  • @brycemcewen6146
    @brycemcewen61467 ай бұрын

    God the GW rules writer's hate thousand sons

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    They just dont know what to do with them do they? Psychic powers in all the games are so boring now. Bring back Dark Millenium!

  • @batteredwarrior
    @batteredwarrior7 ай бұрын

    Sorry, but I think you are really sleeping on Death Guard and Iron Warriors. Both of theirs are immensely powerful/useful... Especially in a game based around capturing objectives.

  • @SleepySoviet
    @SleepySoviet7 ай бұрын

    Part of being a SoH player is accepting your legion rules will be trash I guess

  • @Hearesy

    @Hearesy

    7 ай бұрын

    Sucks. Mostly sucks that it just doesnt need to be like that and we could all play what we like AND have good rules. If that ability was full rerolls itd be great… how hard was that to fix? Sigh

  • @SleepySoviet

    @SleepySoviet

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Hearesy got the most baller color scheme so you pay for it in the rules

  • @SleepySoviet

    @SleepySoviet

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Hearesyalso forgot to mention - glad you’re back, hope your family is doing well

  • @DirtyMardi

    @DirtyMardi

    7 ай бұрын

    On it’s own yes, but they seem to be designed to be either allies or take an allied detachment from other factions to provide your army with some big rule synergies. It just isn’t a very simple legion to optimize.

  • @Sommeill
    @Sommeill7 ай бұрын

    Some these legion rules are somehow more bullshit than 2.0 rules.

  • @Bigjonmetal
    @Bigjonmetal6 ай бұрын

    I feel like these kinds of lists are redundant when you haven't had time to actually play they game and develop an opinion.

  • @padanfain7466
    @padanfain74667 ай бұрын

    You have been sorely missed by HH players. Not interested in tiny heresy, so hope you will get back to HH at some point.

  • @ratelmike8825
    @ratelmike8825Ай бұрын

    Just came across your channel. I always thought Imperialus was the right scale for Horus Heresy with seeing the full size of these battles with titans, armour and aircraft. I also like 28mm so it's a hard decision between Age of DARKNESS or Imperialus