Hope You Enjoy this Video! If you have a Breakerless Ignition Coil, and it has failed, don't panic, we have your back! As always watch this video, then check out website for written articles, and you can always call or email us for free technical advice! We also sell the best parts, kits, and information for your vintage small engines. Thank you for saving the tractors!

@johnfonda985

3 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is I was just thinking the other day I got to get my old gt14 out and see what I got to do to fix my spark issue. And bang lol you posted a video exactly what I needed!! I believe you said you have a kit with what I need

@dakotawright977

3 жыл бұрын

How do I go about contacting you to see if you’d like to purchase a garden tractor cheaply

@emilyt9657

2 жыл бұрын

looking for the kit you used in video to replace the breakerless ignition do you sale it

@111455

Жыл бұрын

the breaker less system was interesting, only seen one so far and for a moment it was flaky and then sorted itself. if only the makers of it would know long after they stopped supporting their system the tried and true points and condenser system is still alive and well, with MANY aftermarket makers making components just as good as OEM.

Timely video since I just emailed you in January about my old Wheel Horse and it's ignition problems. Since we talked I see you added the push rod for the points. Great information, and great personal customer service. Thanks Norman!

Great video ! Clear instructions and info with no unnecessary frills. I sure enjoy your channel, watching your family ,farm and business grow, and parts service for my 1450 Cub. Spring is nearly here .

Hey Norman! All is Well in the Kohler universe that Engine has the proper set of controls onboard again! Cheers! Nothing wrong with points the trouble is the condenser that evil wire is always escaping the boot never had issue with points!

Awesome! If someone made these I bet they would sell like crazy to the points haters.

Thank you so much for this video. I parked a 1969 John Deere 140 20 years ago because of an ignition problem. I even had the John Deere tech manual and still could not get it right. I got so aggravated with it I pushed it under the shed and gave up. I installed the points per your video and got it going....thanks again.

Good stuff Norman, I'll probably never have to convert a Kohler, but it was a great "how to" on installing and gapping points and making a spark plug lead

Thank you so much for the information, i just bought a 71 economy power king with the breakerless ignition that was junk, saved me a lot of money and time, great video

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! I made this for folks like you with the Power Kings!

Great video. This video will be the reference when someone has trouble and asks for help.

Cool. Learned a lot watching this. I like your presentation style. Audio is excellent, perfect pace, and volume is level. Excellent.

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! This means a lot!

I wished I had seen this video about 10 years ago. I paid some one to do this conversion. I am having an issue with the charging system though. It's putting out about 12.7-12.9 v. Seems a bit low. Great job on the video...I'm needing to replace my ignition switch so I'll be ordering soon.

This is what I have been looking for!

Very very nice and helpful, thanks for sharing my friend.

Great job Norman, I see where I made my mistakes 😀 👍

Love the brain food man 🤘 your making me a better mechanic 😂

Holy cow dude, great video! I just bought a wheel horse with the exact motor and I can find any info on where the mag wire goes after it splits off from the coil. So I'm going to do the change over. I'll be ordering soon!!

Nice. Thanks for sharing Norm.

Looks good 👍. Thanks 😊!!

Great video thank's 👍

Tools don't make a mechanic but they sure get us closer..lol I use an M12 Milwaukee or Dewalt impact setup anymore, they save me so much hassle they're almost worth their weight in gold. You wont need to fast forward your vids as often with one either..lol I started using small impacts about 6yrs ago and omg they've saved me so much aggravation, I'd never go back to reg ratchets (Still use reg to hand tighten small nuts/bolts not to strip them thats it). I have a set long impact bits (assorted) to reach into hard to reach areas that also save a lot of trouble. I hardly ever use regular wrenches after using Gear Wrench speeds those are super nice too. I only wish I had them all 30yrs ago when I did so much more mechanic work.

Good info👍. I have an economy tractor with the breakerless system and it has realy been getting hard to start over the last year . This may be the culprit. You may be hearing from me soon

The 400 series gravely tractors had the ignition module as well.

Thank you!! This video saved my 69 wheel horse!!!

Converting TO points. That's a new one.

@Blazer02LS

3 жыл бұрын

Real common on Economy tracts as the breakerless system is $$$$

Hi, thanks for video! I have this system on my powerking. Do you know how many volts should be going from mag stator to breakerless coil? I’m getting 130 and my coil is ohming out bad. Thanks

Two things, I have a '69 Wheel Horse Charger with the Kohler KV181S engine and electronic ignition. (vertical shaft) I've found the holes for the points ignition but there are only 4 holes, no center hole for the pin to operate the points. Short of completely disassembling the motor to possibly drill a hole, I'm stuck with the electronic ignition parts shortage or NLA. But I've had no trouble with the ignition (or anything else) for 55 years and recently scored an ebay used coil, trigger and stator cheap so I don't have to abandon the motor. The other thing is when testing the coil there is no continuity between the plug wire and ground or the input and from the input to ground it acts like my meter is charging a capacitor. Can't get the plug wire out of the coil socket, it's really stuck in there and like I said it's run great for 55 years so "leave well enough alone." And who says you can't do a compression test on an ACR engine? 120# right on the nose at cranking speed. Thanks for listening.

Great commenta

I did a compression test on k 16 koler 1977 the reading was 180 no fuel or oil this ok?

of the subject a little but i need an answer quickly so i can get to work just after the rain.The high speed needle for the carburetor on the k301 should there be a hole straight through near the bottom of needle? (near point)or just part way through?cheers everyone.

Where would all of my terminals go for a 1969 wheel horse gt 14 on the ignition switch

Hi Norman my kohler k241 will backfire sometimes do you have an idea of what the issue could be if you do please let me know thank you

i have a twin k482 i need help getting her running i got no spark

Cool my project for today was to change the hydro and engine oil filters in my pop pops new Holland l250 skid loader with a p218g onan engine it surges and runs real bad but it’s still going with almost 2000 hours it uses a quart of oil per hour the fluids and filters were never changed in over 11 years so it was desperate

Make sure the push rod is steel and not aluminum which has a tendency to seize when hot. I believe the aluminum version was removed from the market a few decades ago.

I have the kohler K series on my lincoln weld and power welder..it allready has points..but if i ever run across this fix I'll know what to do..Cheers 🍻🍻🍻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Thanks

Can those engines also be converted to electronic ignition?

Hey , 1977 wheel horse c 160 , had compression 180 . I'm not rebuild that yet

Probably is why mine wont start because its needing that trigger module My condenser works and the points have spark but not the plug wire so I could use those parts your taking off my engine has the same spot for the trigger module

Hey Norman. Love the vids. By the way, you pronounce Ariens - Air-Ins lol.

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Growing up in Maine, we pronounce everything wrong!

@gta5xpert519

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors Lol

I could use some help identifying my new to me wheel horse with kohler motor then I can buy some parts for your site!!

Why didn't you show the ignition switch install?

Hey Norman. What size generator and welder do you use. I have a 90 amp Lincoln flux core and can't find good info on what size genset will run it. Thanks.

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

I now have a 50amp welding hook up and use a 200 amp welder. But when I started I used a 120amp welder running off of a 4000w generator I got from a yard sale.

You mentioned that you might be supplying the points covers? I don’t see them on your site? I have two tractors to convert unfortunately

@Isavetractors

2 жыл бұрын

They will be ready by the fall

I have a question about the breaker less Kohler engine. The stator for this engine is different from the points engine and is obsolete part. Wondering if the points engine stator would work as a substitute or would the flywheel also need to be changed. Any thoughts?

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

You can keep using your stator. The reason they are different is because there is a winding on the stator for the breakerless coil. You can still use the other 2 wires for your regulator rectifier

@mikekleckner694

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors I have a bad stator so I just wanted to know if the points ign stator would work since the breaker less stator is nla. Any ideas?

I have a kohler k181s that came off a 1967 wheelhorse 857. I took the fly wheel off and there is no magnets or magnito. Did they come that way?

@Isavetractors

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they used a starter generator.

Hi Norman 😉 Merci pour cette nouvelle vidéo. Existe-t-il un système d'allumage électronique universel adaptable pour nos moteurs Kohler ? Cela serait bien pratique 😁 Si cela existe et que c'est économiquement intéressant, cela ferait une superbe vidéo 👍

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

There are ways to do it. I will add it to the list of future video ideas

Hi Norman, what is the best way to talk to you about parts for my Kohler Magnum 20? Thanks, Raymond

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Give our CS department a call and they can transfer you to me: 207-298-9701

Interesting stuff Norman! Are you getting geared up for Spring and warmer weather? Hopefully business is good!

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Still cold weather here! But am looking forward to Spring and the projects I can do then. Business is good! Thanks for your support.

Hey Norman, I have a question. I have a cub cadet 1650 with a Kohler K341 16hp engine that the points won’t open when I turn the engine over, I was wondering if you know what the problem is or if you know a place that I could get an electronic ignition from. That’s what I thought would fix it but I couldn’t ever find a kit for it.

@Isavetractors

2 жыл бұрын

Loosen the adjustment screw on your points set, and push the fixed contact all the way towards the engine block. Now try again. Do you see the points moving now?

@cooperr1422

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you but the plunger points plunger isn’t moving eather

@cooperr1422

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t though

Norman, your links for the Push Rod and Points Cover Grommet exhibit "Error 404 Page Not Found". Please advise on where to get them on your website. I want to buy everything I need (as shown in your video here) to do a conversion. Thanks.

@Isavetractors

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dennis, thanks for the heads up. I will correct those links. We are machining more push rods now, should be available in a few weeks. I do some have some on my desk though, so email me and I can make sure I get you one. info@isavetractors.com

11k ohms seems kind of high, Kohler must have really wanted to limit current to the spark. Question, could the original coil be used with the breaker/points condenser ?

@Blazer02LS

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. The coil isn't just a coil on them.

I have a breakerless ignition system and do not wish to convert it as I think it would be cool to keep it as original as possible. It's a raider 12, 1969 if I remember correctly. I do not have spark and cannot figure out why. Any suggestions?

@Isavetractors

2 жыл бұрын

Go through my trouble shooting in this video. Common for the coil to fail at this point. Switching to battery ignition can still be though of as "Original" as only a very small number of machines had the breakerless set up and it was quickly abandoned and replaced with solid state ignition later on.

Hi Norman! I want to ask you something Izzy for you. I have a Briggs and Stratton engine, 11 horse power, vertical shaft, from a Westwood lawn mower, England made. Previous owner make a reparation on it, put a new rod, piston with piston rings and a have a doubt he dont mount the piston corect. Can you show me what is corect position to mont? The piston have a little grove on hes margin. I checked in internet one hour and I found nothing. Please help me with this information!

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Sure send me an email of the piston info@isavetractors.com

@01Autentic

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors , thank you Norman, I found some description and I mounted the engine. My english is very broken, because I write without translation. I learned some english on internet.

No to get off the subject but were can I get a crank for a Kohler 321AQS ?? Mine cracked 😬

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

You should check eBay for a good used one with the same PTO dimensions. You can then have a local machine shop machine the new crank if necessary.

My k181 has points but no 12v coil. I can’t get spark, it has a magneto. I don’t see where the condenser is but I assume it has one. I cleaned the points and set the gap and no spark still

@Isavetractors

Жыл бұрын

For magneto systems try a more advanced timing. Try setting points to .019, .018, and .017 gaps. Condenser is under the flywheel. If you replace the condenser, I would recommend moving it to outside of engine so you don't have to remove the flywheel to service.

@eveangreen1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors new spark plug solved it. even though i had good spark visually and on several different testers. i even tried other good used plugs from other k series engines and for some reason its just picky.

Can I take a points push rod out of a 10hp Kohler and put it into a 12hp Kohler?

@Isavetractors

3 ай бұрын

Yes you can

I have a Kohler K301 engine I rebuilt never ran it before the rebuild it came to me in a box. put it back together bored it 30 over laped the valves and adjusted them now I go out to try it out the engine has been ran and used lightly since I have finished it. the motor lacks on power for what ever reason it drives the tractor around ok but when I kick on the mower deck or push around a snow plow it really boggs it down the engine runs wide open with the deck on but sounds like its a little under half throttle. I messed with the carb some but that didnt seem to help my issue could it be points or somthing im missing. Let me know I figured I would ask you cause I know you work on these engines and make good products.

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Could be your governor. Try disconnecting the link between governor and carb. Now turn on your deck and safely operate your throttle on your carb by hand. Is there proper power like this? What you're doing is isolating the carburetor by itself and removing the governor from The equation. This should help you narrow down what to do next.

@themaniacmower

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors thanks norman I will have to give it a shot.

Good video could you link those spark plugs crimping tool

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

You got it. I'll post an Amazon affiliate link.

@briankelley6185

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors did you post the link if so where I can't find it

where can I buy a starter for a K301 s. The starter has a built on aluminum bracket. The pinion has 10 teeth. Thanks!!

@Isavetractors

2 жыл бұрын

We have them! You can contact us or visit our website

@kap133

2 жыл бұрын

thanks. Where are you located?

Is the temperature of the head going to ruin the condenser?

@Isavetractors

Жыл бұрын

no

Do you guys sell the ignition trigger modules

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

No unfortunately we do not. Sorry

@Mike-su8si

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors i seen I didn't need it after all I'm just needing the transdencer. You sell any of those parts

Norman, this is valuable information and the video is well done. Thank you. I am doing diagnostics on my friend's Kohler engine made for Gravely which has this breakerless ignition system. I see two wires attached to the "trigger point" of the coil module (Looks like yours is the same: at 1:50 in your video). I think it comes from the Trigger module. My question is why two wires coming out of the Trigger module but tied together at the same point at the input to the Coil? How does it work? Thanks.

@Isavetractors

2 жыл бұрын

One of the wires is a "Kill wire" and it connects to ground when you turn the key off to turn off your tractor. When you connect the trigger to ground, you provide it with a path of lesser resistance, so the coil doesn't produce a spark, thus shutting everything down.

Is this the same thing as a "solid state" system?

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

No it's not the same operation, but the result is the same, using magnets to generate high voltage spark instead of a battery.

@matthewmcdonough7768

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors Thanks! Love the channel! It's really helped me over the last few years.

Spark plug gap at 35 thousands? They are always at 25 thousands. Or am i wrong.

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

.025 plug gap is for Magneto Ignition systems. .035 for battery ignition. The reason is Magneto systems produce much less voltage at the plug so you need a more narrow gap for the spark to jump across. Battery Ignition puts out much more voltage hence the need for a larger gap.

Any new videos soon or to busy norm ???

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for asking! I'm hoping to get back at video projects by Mid July. You're right just too busy this past year

Hi! Eagerly awaiting more videos from you but I know your business is going great so your time is probably limited. Anyway, at 06:39 you talk about the parts in the system and you talk about condensor, I always thought it was a capacitor. Perhaps it can be called more than one thing, English is not my native language. Have a great week!

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The condenser is a capacitor. Condenser is just the common use term for the auto industry application. I hope to be back to making videos by mid summer!

@NilsKall

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isavetractors thanks, I have seen it before (work in the auto industry) but thought it was a faulty translation from german to English. Now I know better!

Why no sears tractors

@Isavetractors

3 жыл бұрын

Mainly because they don't have engines we make a ton of parts for. And I just don't find many around here.

LOL none available come on i bought 3 last month for a customer! LOL No problem to find just gotta look!

would you sell that trigger to me?

Can you convert a Tecumseh into a Kohler?😜

@Isavetractors

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with your sentiment!

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did u stop making videos just wondering

@Isavetractors

2 жыл бұрын

I have one coming out tonight!

@milanbukorovic1469

2 жыл бұрын

wow thanks for responding i cant wait to see it

@milanbukorovic1469

2 жыл бұрын

on youtube

Why would you want to go back to points? There is a reason why newer small engines and vehicles don't use them😮😮😮

@rodderbeck1591

3 ай бұрын

The parts for the breakerless points are not made anymore plus points are way more reliable and much more simpler.

@audreymeschkuleit8352

Ай бұрын

CDI CONVERSION WAY TO GO. ISNT A CDI KIT AVAILAE EX.1982 16 HP KOHLER SINGLE ?