Since every position is budgeted, why isn't salary amount included in the job ad?, Saves everyone's time

@frankiesosweet24

4 ай бұрын

Probably because if your expectations are lower than their budget they end up “saving”.

@nikolatesla708

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree.

@bournejason66

4 ай бұрын

Some companies listed the range for the job.

@EdgarVerona

3 ай бұрын

Thank you. It blows my mind that they are pretending that this isn't the appropriate solution if the question genuinely was to see if they can meet your expectations. They have the power and the knowledge. If that was all they cared about, they would be sharing their range upfront.

@Greg-om2hb

3 ай бұрын

It is now, in California.

Put the pressure on them and ask “What salary range are you able to offer?” It’s straightforward and they won’t want to be judged as being too cheap.

@Ford_prefect_42

3 ай бұрын

Wow that's a great point mark. Thank you!

@iBenTV

2 ай бұрын

genuine question tho, won't they be able to just reply with "sorry we can't disclose this information"?

@mark_tolver

2 ай бұрын

@@iBenTV I would simply ask “Why is that?”. If they then reply “Our remuneration scales are confidential.” (or something along those lines), I’d stand up, offer them a handshake, say “Well thank you for your time, that’s all I need to know.” and then walk out. If they then say “Where are you going?” just say, “If your company can’t be transparent and honest from the start of a working relationship then it doesn’t bode well for that relationship going forward.” You keep your integrity and can walk out with your head held high and their professionalism looks poor. You’re exchanging a very large chunk of your life by working for them, approach it professionally but with the mindset that you’re interviewing them to see if they’re worthy of you investing that amount of your life into them.

@stanvanillo9831

Ай бұрын

Woah, you are a real badass!!!@@mark_tolver

@marklopez5267

Ай бұрын

Just literally had this happen to me. Was put on the spot asking for salary expectations during an interview with two execs and responded with this same reply. Put the ball in their court, get all info, and don't sell yourself short.

I so love that meme: -Your salary expectations are very high giving your low experience. -Of course, it will be a very hard job for me, since I don't know what I'm doing 😂

@terrisine3344

2 ай бұрын

😂😂

@TheNefastor

2 ай бұрын

That's a C-suite move.

@jellybeanbear7017

Ай бұрын

What would be the best way to answer this tho 😂

There should be a "Job interview board game" so that everyone can get used to these conversations starting from middle school.

@CornyBum

2 ай бұрын

Make it an RPG with complex dialog trees. :)

@wvagner284

2 ай бұрын

Because it allows recruiters to save some money in caso they do not need to pay you the whole position budget.

@jellybeanbear7017

Ай бұрын

Yeah this is like a mind game 🤣

Two words. Salary. Transparency.

@TheS0meguy

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. This.

“Money is important but not as important as my environment, work, or teammates.” This has paid huge dividends my whole life. I’ve never suggested a salary and their offers are always higher than I would have asked for.

@fltfathin

3 ай бұрын

agreed, getting seven figures but living cost is six figures monthly is worse than getting five figures but living cost is three digits. also between needing to commute and buy a car or work from home and getting public transit once in a while means getting cars and its subsequent needs and costs.

@Gareth.W

3 ай бұрын

Same here. I've used the same technique successfully in my last few roles. I worded it about how the salary only makes up part of the package, along with things like training budgets, flexibility around scheduling, working environment, holiday entitlements, etc... And that it's this whole package that motivates me to perform at my best. They seem to have always liked that, rather than just saying "I want to earn €xxx p/year".

@Ultima2876

3 ай бұрын

@@fltfathinI feel like if you’re getting over a million dollars a month you’re probably not applying for the kinds of jobs that will be too bothered with this question in the first place…

@soirema

2 ай бұрын

I was specificly asked to SPECIFY the number, if I said something like this

@Awesomes007

2 ай бұрын

@@soirema repeatedly refuse. And, repeat the mantra that other things are more important. I’ve declined to specify a number for weeks.

These strategies are so American specifically. I just went through a hiring process in Germany and there you are expected to give a specific number. German coaches coach you to state it confidently, in one sentence, without any explanations, and then just pause and wait for a response. I'm also not German, and in my country I'd do the same. But my sister in the US did tell me that those negotiation strategies were what one should train oneself to do

@XEQUTE

3 ай бұрын

nope, its prevalent in india too ( or even in the apac region)

@falkschonfeld2370

3 ай бұрын

Interesting, I've recently switched jobs and stated ranges to both potential employers and recruiters (basically following the #2 approach) and never ran into problems. I often initially got clear numbers back but most were open to some negotiation.

@XEQUTE

3 ай бұрын

asian companies/ small startups won't ever do that@@falkschonfeld2370

@melissa.deklerk

2 ай бұрын

I am also a foreigner living and working in Germany. And yeah, the interview and hiring culture is different here.

"They don't ask for it to try to pay you as little as possible" *proceeds to explain that's exactly the reason why they ask but with different words*

@aoidoll

2 ай бұрын

Exactly 😂

Ambiguous question equals Ambiguous answer. "You said we are a groundbreaking industry leader with top pay and benefits. I would say that a salary in the 90th percentile for this area for this position is perfect."

@beigenegress2979

2 ай бұрын

You are a genius!

@vibhorkaushik5050

Ай бұрын

That sounds very soothing to say and feels like it gives a sense of power, however we all know that it doesn't work this way in the real world where hiring managers think they are so intelligent and entitled to be ambiguous in asking such questions but at the same time they are too dumb to understand a similar ambiguous responses therefore they insist on a clear, specific figure which is also easier for them to process and decide upon 😜

Specifying a range is exactly like specifying only the lower number in that range, because that is the only thing the interviewer will hear.

@itoibo4208

3 ай бұрын

ikr? That is like saying "I will sell this car to you for between 3,000 and 8,000 dollars."

@BillyViBritannia

2 ай бұрын

And that's why the low number is the number you are actually targeting. If they happen to feel pressured to offer you something in the middle you get a bonus.

@Romenamath

Ай бұрын

Actually, for my last role, I gave a range. The same range to a number of companies. And told them all I was giving this range to others as well. The company I chose was the one that offered another $5k above the range.

@vibhorkaushik5050

Ай бұрын

And employers always had an upper hand in the entire process... At times I think, is there any amount of preparation that convinces the employers... This all becomes so scripted that you know through your instincts that the employer is not going to get convinced with what you quote. And poor needy employees have to agree with what the employer offers..

@marvelmusic4566

4 күн бұрын

You don't want a job that is going to keep you in poverty. A 3% raise won't always cover the rate of inflation. If a company can't pay you a wage you can PROSPER off of , they are not worth your time.

I understand her perspective on the discussion of salary as an interview question response, but, let's face it, a number or range is generally expected once you've been made an offer. I live in California, where certain employers are required to advertise a salary range, so that helps me weed out positions that don't pay what I would potentially be asking. Personally, I took ALL my expenses for living, added my reasonable yearly savings goal, and that became the low end of my range. I then multiplied that number by 1.5 and took the median between my number and that product as the high end of my range. This makes sure I've got everything covered to live and thrive and I'm only negotiating on how big a cherry is on top.

@Ryan-Fkrepublicnz

3 ай бұрын

nice method. Hope you are doing well.

@happily_blue

3 ай бұрын

isn't your high number just your first number x1.25 ?

@xvsotomayor

3 ай бұрын

It is, in fact lol​@@happily_blue

About the comment at 1:27 "typically, hiring managers and recruiters want to make sure they can afford you". I am not sure I agree with that. I think it is more typical --no matter a company's budget-- that they will pay as little as a candidate allows. Few companies will pay out one cent more than they absolutely must. If it weren't largely true, wages would be more openly disclosed. My two cents is, it comes down to a candidate knowing their worth and pitching it plainly and with pseudo-nonchalance. Desperation is just as bad (or worse) than being too rigid or aggressive!

I wish she had a comment for the VERY COMMON reality that this question is asked in the online application process. You HAVE to answer. The answer HAS to be ONE number, not a range (although some do offer ticky boxes for ranges). It's awful, esp when they have offered no salary range in the description.

@timewarptrio11

4 ай бұрын

I would input 0 or 12345 or some other clearly fake number just to submit the form

@productdesign9626

4 ай бұрын

@@timewarptrio11 yep I just put "1". If that disqualifies me, I didn't want the job.

@amygallo1923

4 ай бұрын

This is tricky! I recommend writing "negotiable" into the field if possible. If it demands a number, then you can write "0" and in a comment elsewhere mention that you would like to learn more about the position before naming a salary. Another option is to choose a number based on the information you do have and that you'd feel comfortable being paid, adding some wiggle room for negotiation. This field typically isn't meant to lock you into a specific number but to weed out applicants whose desired salary is outside their budget.

@cyyrious

3 ай бұрын

Yes I put 0 or 1 and still got call backs it’s letting them know I like to discuss salary

@Jonathan2x6

3 ай бұрын

@@timewarptrio11that would show that you cant comprehend a simple question and its off to the next candidate. Well played 👍

More than once you've advised saying you don't fully understand the role in order to dodge the question of salary expectations. Can't imagine this sounds very good to the interviewer.

@leopold3146

Ай бұрын

Because the interviewer doesn't give a shit to your misunderstanding of whatever else is kinda bothering you. Everything they want from you at the moment is the lowest number to be put into the offer. That's exactly how they use it later on.

I'm halfway through my career and I don't take that shit anymore. Now I'm the one who asks that question of potential employers if they dare post a job offer that doesn't come with a number. It's time to end that BS. You said it yourself: every position is budgeted and they know the budget, I dont.

@trishna_6815

2 ай бұрын

exactly, if they can't answer, they aren't serious, and/or they're trying to lowball you in which case I don't want to work for them. I just shut it down immediately. if they are actually serious, they'll come back with an answer straight away, usually higher than you thought. If not, I've saved my time.

@cisium1184

2 ай бұрын

I’m confused. Why would you solve this issue yourself with a simple question when you could just complain until government, solver of all problems and salver of all wounds, handles it for you?

@TheNefastor

Ай бұрын

@@cisium1184 I'm French. We solve our own problems, including the government when it becomes one.

The entry level catch 22 where a person would need experience to land an entry level role, say help desk, and in turn...that same person would require having worked to gain experience doing the entry level thing that they'd need experience to be accepted into doing.

"What are your salary expectations?" *heist music intensifies "What's your budget?" "We don't have a budget." "What's the market range?" "A little down at the moment." "I believe I bring a lot to the table." "Possibly. But this is a pretty standard role." "Can I get back to you on this?" "We'd rather have an initial number to start with. What was your salary in your previous job?" "CAN'T SAY! SIGNED AN NDA."

@alexspata

3 ай бұрын

yeah, this sounds more realistic than the bullshit mentioned at least in the first part of the video 😂

@TheNefastor

2 ай бұрын

If they corner you, do a Doctor Evil. "One MILLION Dollars !"

@IHS808

2 ай бұрын

LOVE that TikTok

My previous company had salary brackets attached to levels 1 through 8 for the different career paths within the company. My answer would be to ask whether the interviewing company has such a system in place, and based on my qualifications and experience, where do I fall into their level system, and what salary bracket applies to that level? If they do not have such a system, my next question is what system do they use equitably pay their employees....

@catatonicbug7522

2 ай бұрын

"Equitably pay their employees"?? Since when is that an employer's goal? They want to fill the seat and retain as much profit for the shareholders as possible. Shareholder primacy, after all...

@SailingCatamaranElement

2 ай бұрын

@@catatonicbug7522 In an engineering firm, you fill those seats with the most talented and dedicated individuals you can find and make the employees themselves shareholders. That's how you build a successful company over 60 years...that is where I chose to work for 20 years....

At my company, we always list the salary band on the job description. However, sometimes it is quite wide, so, after the initial 30 to 45 mins, I will also ask what they (as a candidate) expect. At this point, we will already have determined principal role and contribution level fit, so a discussion along the lines of "let me talk more about my skills/contributions" would not work well there. However, I explicitly invite candidates who are not satisfied with the band we propose to ask the question "what do I have to do to reach salary xxx". We can then discuss how they could get there. I really enjoy these discussions, as they are focused on value, and not cost.

@LydiaKrow

3 ай бұрын

Very helpful context and advice! I wish all companies posted a range. Not sure if anyone else thinks this way, but I tend to see it as a red flag if they don't post it in the job description, and a no-go if they won't at least state it in the interview. I never thought about approaching it this way.

I am not really sure, if asking their budget is the right way. I tried and generated in two different nterviews the same response : "We are not negotiating salary". While these people think to give some HR insights, companies think about their own responses. Candidates are still several steps back left.

I don't answer that question. Turn it around. "I'm not concerned about the salary, I care more about the role and responsibilities, and whether I'm a good fit. As long as the salary is at a fair market rate, I don't think salary will be an obstacle."

@leopold3146

Ай бұрын

"But we need to make sure we won't disappoint you with our offer beforehand."

Very helpful information. Thank you so much to Amy and the production team!

Great video, but I disagree with some of the tips shared when discussing the compensation: the salary is a compensation for your time and labor for the employer. Justifying it shifts the power in their favor, when a job interview should be about learning whether the candidate and the potential employer are a match and that they agree on the value both offer to one another. If they believe the compensation you have in mind is "too high", that means there's a mismatch in the perceived value you'll bring to the table, making the candidate and the company not a match.

Great advice. I’ve found that over time, in my own career, I’ve built up a list of value services I can provide so there are tiered responsibilities that afford certain salary ranges. For instance, working on a single project for a role may not warrant a 6 figure salary right away, but as you climb and gain responsibilities and can start managing other products and people, you will start to recognize money as time and how fast you can accomplish the set of tasks for the money negotiated. Once you realize you can complete certain tasks in a set amount of time for a good business value, you will have unlocked the power potential of your salary earning ceiling and the power of negotiation.

This is good advice - it just sucks that we're Still in a place/year where the people who supposedly need someone to do some of their work, can't solve this non-problen by just providing the salary range/budget to begin with, so then there Can be an actual negotiation ('as this role doesn't seem to match your skills/experience, we would like to offer you the bottom of this range, and see how your grow into the role', then you could negotiate from that point or not, etc)

Required application form field that only accepts a number: this often happens on job applications where no amount is advertised. If you attempt anything else, your application cannot be submitted. All you can do is walk away from those applications.

@TheNefastor

2 ай бұрын

And walk away you should. This can't be a good employer.

I’ve been “priced out” and told that a job isn’t for me when I was in desperate need of income. I’m priced correctly for my desired job, but others that have come up along the way

I'm glad my thoughts at the beginning were similar in reference to what the employers budget for the role was.

Nice! Thank you for sharing

I have a number, and it's not very flexible. It's what I need to live the life I want, without going overboard. It's also pretty much exactly what I was making years ago (inflation-adjusted) BEFORE I went and got a four-year degree. So I think it's pretty fair. If someone asks me directly, I am happy to answer. I explain that's where I think I should be, and what someone with my skills and experience deserves, but that it's a target for the next 1-2 years. If I start a bit lower, with a very clear pathway to my desired salary, then that's fine. And I totally agree that since salary isn't the only factor, it's fine to be vague or completely refuse to pin yourself down. WAY more important than the final salary figure is the combination of: work environment, career progression, flexibility, training & development, stimulating & rewarding duties, culture, and many other non-tangible factors. Without those, no salary is worth it.

I find the American practise of not publishing salary and compensation package in the job advertisement bizarre...

@user-kgrt4jw

4 ай бұрын

Me too. Very bizarre and toxic.

@joyful

3 ай бұрын

even internally. it's been my experience that individual contributors can't see the salary range for internal job boards, but management can see those. i've also experienced hr not wanting to share the range when asked. then you just have to hope you have great relationships with people in management and some "friends" or mentors are willing to look up the ranges and share with you. it's such an incredibly toxic practice. why does management need to know the salary ranges of roles in a different division, but the people whose lives would be impacted by that salary aren't supposed to know??? though, i'm glad someone has access to the info and was willing to share.

@gregsonberlin3782

3 ай бұрын

I‘m really surprised how progressive California is with the law of having to advertise the budget for the position. Here in Germany they are just starting verrrrry vague with some blurry salary range informations here and there. And internal salary informations are absolutely unusual between employees. Just experienced how getting to know that your equal-role-colleague is been paid 17% higher than you for years escalates to a real showstopper.

IMO the question is a power play based on the negotiation mantra of "whoever speaks first, loses". Any organisation of any significant size and governance structure will have salary ranges and benefits aligned to the employment grade. These ranges are largely immovable, whereas personal expectations may have a far greater degree of flexibility. There are potentially genuine reasons for asking a tough question (how does the person react to pressure ? can they negotiate confidently ?) BUT ultimately the organisation has (far) greater negotiating power and I believe that there is far more to be gained where the organisation discloses the salary range. There is a major problem in the UK currently where organisations are 'inflating' the role title (Head OF; Director; CXO) but hiding salaries that are only suitable for FAR more junior positions. As a strategy this just doesn't work, on multiple levels.

So we have to talk to them like we're talking to a child who's no clue what it does. Gotcha! On a serious note: How did we end up having to fight for our value when we have applied via a cover letter, listed our skills and then even talked about it in the interview?? At this point we are doing the brain work for the employer.

@beigenegress2979

2 ай бұрын

I think it is abusive, psychological warfare! They very well know what the budget is for the position, but want to play mind games.

@EtherTheReal

2 ай бұрын

@@beigenegress2979 just had an interview last week where HR tried to evade that question. Laughable really and exactly like you said its just abusive communication strategies...

Here's a simple solution to save everyone time. The employer puts the salary range (depending on the experience) in the job ad.

@savagepro9060

3 ай бұрын

No! They rather invite you in, THEN, twist your arms!

@beigenegress2979

2 ай бұрын

What?!? Impossible! Too complicated!

Helpful, thanks.

Key thing to remember from a great job coach I once had-The first party to state a salary, is the loser in the negotiation. Make sure it’s not you.

Another thing to consider is, whether the position is exempt or non-exempt (i.e. x1.5 OT)? Also, what the expected overtime will be whether is paid or especially, if it’s unpaid! I took a jib at a good salary, but worked 70+ hours a week which substantially lowered my salary? I left as soon as I could find another job immediately! Also, whether a defined benefit (pension) is offered & whether bonuses are paid & what basis is used to determine those bonuses? Benefits like quality of health insurance, vacation or PTO are offered as well? Lots to consider??!

This was helpful Thanks!

It's clear that this person hasn't looked for a job in a while. Applications for job postings ask for expected salary as a required answer on the website that is accepting the application. You have to answer at the same time that the resume is uploaded, or the application isn't even accepted by the system. You simply CAN'T type in a range or "redirect the question." This content was relevant in the 90's but not today.

@legoguyver7459

3 ай бұрын

I usually put 1 dollar and they can inffer that I mean that I am probably already towards the top.

@jcnash02

3 ай бұрын

1 is a valid answer

@steven871

2 ай бұрын

her first sentence was..." in a job INTERVIEW..."

@shalynm1554

Ай бұрын

Not all applications ask for expected salary, it depends on the company and state. Regardless the question still comes up during interviews so a job seeker needs to be ready to answer it properly and negotiate.

Literally the best coaching session ever. Super practical. Great tips. The only thing I would add when you’re stating your salary range, talking about the benefit package, etc, is to state how important it is to be engaged, to learn, to work for a well connected and dynamic and fun team. Essentially highlighting EQ not just IQ.

Great piece!

I use to give them a minimum amount but I am at the same time straightforward that it only represents the absolutely lowest level I am willing to discuss about, and that what I perceive as a fair level I will be able to express after hearing more and understanding the role better.

Good information. Thanks

Valuable information, Amy, for both sides.

Just ask right back. "What are you offering?". No less of a valid question than theirs. I'm not a pro at job interviews by any stretch,but I've never left an interview without knowing what they would be paying me for my skills and experience.

More states and countries should sign onto legally requiring employers to post the salary range. Colorado, New York, Washington, and California are a few states that have strong pay transparency laws. Internationally, England does a decent job at posting ranging while it is rare in the Netherlands. Pay ranges are the best way to waste no ones time. It is time pay ranges become standardized in job postings.

Thanks 😊

I love this woman, the clarity of her ideas and how forceful they are. without so much fuss.

What about online job applications where you are forced to enter some number in a field?

Thank you

Thanks for the great tip. I will be attending an interview in the next two weeks. The employer has requested me to fill in a pre-interview form which also demands me to reveal my current salary. Is it oky to disclose? will this have any negative implications on my next negotiation?

Know your worth. Ask 50% higher. Hold your ground!

My answer: “When I consulted, I charged $###/hr, so the question is, how many hours would you like me to work?” This allows them to fit me in their budget and if the hours are low, pick up an additional job.

You might quote few references from john lees or from tori dunlap but it doesn’t work in india. I managed the same in recent hr call. when asked the same question I said i’d like you to go first. Since this is an approved position, I’d like to know the budget. For which she replied in a hard voice saying i know where you’re coming from. I don’t reveal my budget. Period. I also said I don’t know the shift timings. I don’t know the rules or responsibilities. I don’t know the level of expertise you’re looking for but still she said she doesn’t reveal the budget.

In my experience, many recruiters get angry if you don't give a number, and they directly throw you out of the process. It's unfair, but that's the job market

@guychardnsahazani9935

Ай бұрын

😂

For every interview I’ve always just said, “market rate”. Answers their question and spins it back to them. IMHO, I think this is the most over emphasized part of the hiring process in the States.

@Tanagra180

2 ай бұрын

And no one ever asked you to define what that is?

go to 2:07 to actually start the info needed

What if you ask more about the role and salary budget first? Before they have a chance to ask you They may retort with asking you salary expectation. You say:" I'm not aware of the full scope that's why I asked you" and redirect back to them. Any thoughts ?

@amygallo1923

4 ай бұрын

This approach can definitely work. I like the idea of putting it in their court before they have a chance to put it in yours. My only hesitation is that many of the experts I've spoken to about this caution bringing up money too early in the process since you want the hiring manager to decide you're the best candidate for the job before that conversation.

Thanks KZread for recommending me this video. Great tip, I feel a bit more comfortable thinking about the salary question now, thanks.

This video is super awesome

Great video

"Can we afford you?" Not only is this important for the hiring company, it's also important to the candidate to know if the company is in range. A few years ago I interviewed for a job. Surprisingly, the hiring manager provided the salary range during the initial interview, with caveat that it could go higher if needed. Their upper was close enough to my lower that I maintained interest. After the second interview, I received the written offer, which was well below consideration. I provide current salary and PTO days and asked if what they could do. They increased salary offer to what they said was the max (well below the numbers provided during the initial interview) and bumped vacation time to meet what I was getting at my current job. As much as I wanted the job because of the work being done, I couldn't afford the pay cut and had to decline the offer. Had they provided the accurate numbers during the initial interview, we could have ended right there and saved us both time and disappointment.

This video was unexpectedly good... Comment to boost.

If you or your recruiter is located in the state of California, we are legally required to give you a range if you ask, and its illegal for us to ask your current comp. As a recruiter, i ask expected salary so i can understand your leveling, and set you up with the right level of interview to help you get the job. If i have multiple openings in multiple levels, i am not going to give a $100k level candidate $150k level questions, because it would be unfair to the candidate.

How i can be better sure of salary range & how i can communicate better to hiring organization

The business is not at all worried about “affording you”. They want you to low ball yourself so they can pay you less. Businesses and bosses are not your friends.

@user-pe587ui90

3 ай бұрын

Exactly! It's the unnecessary brain game they like to play

@draco89123

3 ай бұрын

Blah blah corporate speak, 60-90k is a range I'm comfortable with and feel what value I can provide. 55k, no overtime, take it or leave. Okay.

to be honest, is best to speak with specialized recruiters or head hunters and they can give you great advice, even for free, on your salary expectations, in that area

Great video and information. My only other comment is kind of snarky - but the bubble necklace was extremely distracting. It took me awhile to figure out if was a real necklace or something added on virtually like a cell phone app that adds cat ears, etc. So I kept going back to looking at the bubbles until I finally saw it had a chain. Sorry if that's stupid on my part... Again - great information though!

@vicadegboye684

3 ай бұрын

😂😂 You're a clown 😂 Now I'm noticing the necklace too 😅

@catherinehamer5653

2 ай бұрын

Yes it seems to move independently of her body language. I would say leave the bubble necklace at home when applying for that high salary job you’re after.

Consider this. Based on the salary range for this job in this work ZIP code, I can see the typical ranges between X and Y. My knowledge skills and abilities, place me at the Z percentile level for this position. My goal is to add value serving in this position that more than justifies the corresponding range of alpha 1 to alpha 2. The ideal job for me is important enough to the organization to justify that range. I understand that My work needs to be worth more than that amount to the organization, so I'm hopeful that this job is a good match for this fair and reasonable salary that I've justified and detailed.

@tryscience

Ай бұрын

Another way to put it is, the budgeted range for this position reflects what the work is worth to the organization. People serving in similar roles in this location earn between $x and $y dollars. Because of my knowledge skills and abilities, here is a range that is fair and reasonable for me. My intent is to work at a level that justifies this salary. Would this be an acceptable range?

Exactly what i do

This is the art of being salve and begging a job Madam...why it is not direct and honest communication saying exactly what you want as a salary.... direct and honest and tp the point, if the parties are not happy, conversation ends and full stop... Since every position is budgeted, why isn't salary amount included in the job ad?, Saves everyone's time.. because if your expectations are lower than their budget they end up “saving” maybe... The truth is most companies want a TOP candidate that fits perfectly to their needs but at the lowest range possible...

What to do if they asked for a figure in the job application form instead. I gave a range and now I am ghosted. Didn't even get an interview appointment. Wasted my time filling in the form

Thank you Harvard Business teaching how to waste everyone's time! Every company has a budget range of the position they are hiring. If a company finds the right candidate and the candidate find the salary range acceptable, why the necessity of the song and dance!?! There's work to be done. Business should post salary range, don't bother apply if that's not what you are looking for. Save the hiring business and the candidate time and energy. As a hiring manager, I don't have time to keep interviewing. It's not productive.

Let’s normalize salary/salary range transparency in job listings so we can stop wasting peoples time.

What about those LinkedIn forms that don't even let put a range or even a letter?

Perhaps ask for a salary range budgeted for the role and offer to negotiate something in here.

(Interviewee knew that the region I was leaving gave $$$$$ + other expat benefits) "I am realistic that the new opportunities I am pursuing will find it challenging to come within 50% of my current salary. Regardless, I am ready to move on. I will consider offers that are principled." Got the job. But also negotiated an extra pay 5% plus other benefits and allowances that wasn't originally offered.

"As the job candidate, I don't make compensation demands of employers. I consider the scope and complexity of the position, then determine whether the employer's offer is suitable for the role. What is the maximum rate being offered for this position?"

@maria-wu7us

Ай бұрын

The best answer. It's hard to translate pay scales company to company. You might also be applying to roles with higher seniority than what you currently have and at that point your current base could be much lower than what they might offer. Because of inflation and lack of bonuses, I actually found myself in an interesting position. I applied for a role of lower seniority at a different company but the total compensation actually comes up to be more that my current base pay. And this role requires some technical knowledge I did not have but the company trusts that I can ramp up fast. I proved that I can do that in previous roles. The way I see it, the more valuable thing for my career is developing expertise in areas that I think will benefit me in the future.

If you don’t want to waste anyone’s time better advertise your salary from the beginning!

@whyamiwastingmytimeonthis

4 ай бұрын

But that way you won’t be able to underpay those who unknowingly lowball themselves!

@lidarman2

4 ай бұрын

@@whyamiwastingmytimeonthis We advertise low ball salaries where I am at and that way we get people like me who lowballed themselves ;)

@cyyrious

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t recommend that negotiate before you just throw something out

Remember, most of those states with laws saying you don't have to give a specific answer also include that the employer must give a specific answer. It is illegal in many states to post and interview for a position without upfront salary transparency. If you redirect and ask what the job pays and they aren't forthcoming, you have grounds to sue since that is breaking the law. I wouldn't do that, but it is your right to know what they are offering. You shouldn't be the one to have to answer that question.

or.... companies pay show price range on job description

expectations :D lol. I name my price. Take it or leave it. Don't let corporations push you around. Don't swallow whatever they giving you. Have some self dignity. Value your time and skill.

If they did want to not waste their time and yours they would post a range. It's a negotiation strategy and it's frustrating because the applicant has already put a fair amount of time into this. I had an employer actually get annoyed by how much I asked for in the interview. He could have saved us both the time and effort by being upfront about what his range was. Anyone who pretends that this isn't a tactic solely for the benefit of hiring companies is supporting a lie. In BC it is now required that jobs are upfront about salary ranges, I think it's too bad that legislation in this regard had to be approached, but I also think everywhere else should follow suit. They have a range, they just don't want to tell you.

I already know the answer - simply none, no expectations. Jo bhi dega chalega, bas main apni marji ka malik hona.

Give yourself a 3%raise. You have additional experience, they should pay for it. Just be honest and ask for what you need to survive, plus $200 for savings, plus $200 for a life - minimum. THAT's what you should be asking. Some Harvard Grad telling you what you should 'aim' for? Bah humbug. As for 'pricing' yourself out of job - think of it this way. You're pricing yourself out of poverty,.

HR don't want to waste their time. But they are potentially wasting my time by not posting the salary range together with the job description. If they post the salary range applicants save the trouble of applying for low-paying jobs.

I'm so happy I don't live in USA. So much bullshit. I share my salary expectations before any interview. Heck I don't even discuss anything about the position without having a range. I don't need to explain how much I'm "worth". I'll tell you what I what... If you get close we continue the discussion. Otherwise we both move on. Also it is very common for the recruiter or company to just tell me their rate. Usually in the ad or as soon as I ask on the call

This question is showing up on a ton of job applications now. It literally forces you to put a number.

I note that I am not money motivated, but the more you pay me the harder it is for me to leave!!! P.S. My boss did real well by me...

Just be honest and say it's common sense wherever we are higher salary would be better, definitely I'm open for negotiation, would you mind to give upper range of your budget. If my qualifications and experience are meet your expectations, I'm requesting as per your upper budget. Because the most important factor is not the salary, the most important factor is the overall business growth and industry.

Never peg your salary to productivity. Especially if you are in the laptop class.

Harvard Business Review giving business tips adequate to the level of first year barista. I started reading it when I wanted to go to business school in middle high, quickly realized what a nonsense that would be.

Why does the job seeker have to justify the salary request when the employer just "has a budget"? If the employer can simply state the range and expect us to fit in it, why can't we state our range and have them adjust to us? It's all a power struggle.

This video is forgetting that most applications require this question to be answered on the app website before you ever get to an interview

This question is now automated when submitting resumes on online applications a lot of the time. So you don't even get a chance to turn the table on recruiters. In this case I tend to just provide what I currently earn. They will probably weed out anyone submitting ranges they won't pay and they won't waste their time. If you are lucky enough to get a screening call, then you can ask what their specific range is. If you are applying to a similar role at a comparable company, a reasonable range starting from your current base is probably not far off. If you're applying for a role of higher seniority, you can probably start over your current base. Maybe about $15k over if you're being conservative.

Play hard to get first, see if you get a feel of desperation, pump up your salary a k or two from real expectation, stay cool read reaction and if they say yes don t be surprised of all the extra work and over time h that they will have you do 😅

Or you just make sure to live in a state like California where companies are legally required to share with you up front the salary range. The tax in CA is high, but other benefits more than make up for it

I always start off by saying I don't want money and that the work is my passion -- my true calling! They then respond by saying they legally have to pay me something. I then say 'Ok fine. How about just throw $500k at me for expenses.' They will then believe they have stumbled upon the greatest engineer to ever walk the earth and trip over themselves to give me an offer.

Why would you want to indirect it you’ll have to talk at some point anyway and recruiters don’t want it to be the beginning of a lengthy process, they just want to get headcounts and be done. I usually go with “I’m expensive because I give everything. At minimum XXX I’ll consider. Let me know your counter, for the next week I will make sure to keep other competing offers on hold for you” and just close it.

Please make a video about how to give critical feedback.