How NOT To Paint Over Varnish
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A quick video showing why preparation is so important when it comes to changing from an oil or varnished surface to a painted one.
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I like the way you clearly explain everything! Good vid.
Excellent video. Covered a lot there with insightful useful advice
He is so right! you 1. MUST SAND... Then you use Zinsser, which is a hell of a good product. I have used it, and it is amazzzing.
Zinnser Cover Stain has made me more money than any material I've used and never failed me. That last painter always sux it seems to me on every re-do I get
Omg! That looks exactly like my staircase and I had done the same with white paint now taking it off and re doing the treads and banister. Do you have a video where you zinzar the wood?
Ive just bought our first house and banister needs sorting out. Am just about to buy an orbital sander for the stairs and detail sander for the spindles. Then paint it with a paint sprayer. Id not heard of Zinsser before so will use this over the varnish it looks like it has once ive sanded it all. What Satin paint do you recommend?
I'm going to do my stairs can you just sand it and not use zinsser or not? I'm hoping to put a matt wood paint on it after? What would you suggest
Thank you. You just answered my question. Great video.
That's exactly what I'm dealing with so very useful to see what I need to do , thanks
Any thoughts on whether a self etching primer would work?
Great video and insight into a good method dealing with this issue. Would water-based paints (such as the Johnstones Aqua based range) work ok, or does it really need to be oil based? Thanks in advance!
Right to point, thank ya!
Excellent work. I hate sanding....but it has to be done.
can you use zinsser water based over varnish?
Great Vid
What primer would you recommend for exterior work like garage doors and garage door frames especially at the bottom where it’s in contact with the ground and water / snow with the Zinsser 123 be good enough of a sealer?
@MrSmid888
3 жыл бұрын
Your finish repels the water. Sanding well and yes Zinsser oil based would work. But Hammerite is good without primer. Depends if bare metal or painted. So me good water based glosses now. My internal doors look first class with water based gloss. Stay white years longer. I wouldn’t let anyone use oil based gloss in a home. A brush killer also. Top tip with zinsser just wrap a loaded brush in cling film , stays good for at least 3 weeks. A good sand is key on metal no pun intended.
good tips mate, i have just subscribed to your channel which i have just found, my wife dont like smelly oil based paint, what water based or acrylic paint would you recommend, and would you use zinsser as a primer or water based primer. your tips are great for us serious DIYers...... keep up the good work mate.
@metalhead9656
4 жыл бұрын
Colourtrend WB best on market.
If you mix in just a little bit of Lacquer thinner into your oil base primer you don't have to scuff up the old sealer on the your wood work
Nice video
One question if I may. Why not water based paints? I preferred using it at home as it dried quickly which was good as children come home from school and want to touch everything.
Question: could you sand the paint off along with the varnish ? Instead of scraping all of it? Or would a sander not work for that?
@LondonRider12
4 жыл бұрын
Sanding off an entire layer of paint is likely to be much slower than scraping. The sanding of the varnish layer is just to give it bite, rather than remove it completely.
Hi, which Zinsser product did you use to paint over that varnish? What did you then use on top of the Zinsser? Thanks
@daleupton1599
4 жыл бұрын
Zinser bin primer red white tin. Then use a primer and undercoat. Depending on your timescale water based. Or oil based.
So you used the Zinsser as a primer then an oil based paint? Did you use a polyurethane top coat after the paint? Please help.
@arbit3r
5 жыл бұрын
Poly over Paint! Never heard that on before
Zinsser it's not paint. Any oil primer is ok. But the big problem here it's no been sanded before painted or primed.
@lucyoleary1670
4 жыл бұрын
So I have this varnished wood stair case. Iv sanded it down but just noticed a few patches that have still have a sheen. Will it be ok to just use the oil base matt satin or shall I do more?
I'm painting all the wood in the house from varnish to either a gloss or satin.. can you use a waterbased undercoat and final.coat if you use the red zinsser tin and if not are you aware from the dulux trade range any glosses that won't turn yellow as for me that's the biggest problem taking me away from using an oil based paint
@saralawrence3975
3 ай бұрын
The guy who did my varnished stair case used waterbase and it failed scratches off so I would defo use bin
So prime and then use oil based paint? I’ve seen some people using latex based or water based paint. Is there any difference?
@MephProduction
3 жыл бұрын
Oil takes ages to dry and cure, whites will turn yellow within a few months if they don't get natural light, they also smell and are very toxic to breath in. Waster based is faster. cleaner and safer but not as durable, and require good prep.
As soon as the video started i went oh dear havent used zinzer only true decoraters know haha
Hi, Im wondering if you can give me some advice. I'm looking to change all of the brown trim in my house to white... But I have brown UPVC windows and external doors... Q1- do you think my house will look strange with white internal trim and brown external UPVC? Q2- if it is going to look strange, I've read that I can paint UPVC, is this true? And would I use the same Zinsser primer before painting? Your videos are great! :)
@MephProduction
3 жыл бұрын
i doubt it would look strange, i see it quite often. yes you can paint UPVC, Zinsser recommend Bull's eye 123.
@michalbugos5309
2 жыл бұрын
Zinsser allcoat trust me I know
I need to strip back to the wood on that side bit of the staircase, is a heat gun and sander best way and how do I get into the narrow bit at the top where the landing is?
My whole house needs doing like this... 😩
How to remove satin white paint from varnished doors without damaging the varnish?
I want to paint over gloss in my house with water based paint. If I paint it first with zinsser B.I.N ( 2 coats ) would I then be able to paint it with the water base? Thanx
@onthejobwithrob4037
6 жыл бұрын
Yes you could do that, but you don't need 2 coats of B.I.N just 1. Then lightly rub it before re applying. Is the old paint oil I assume?
@jordancorey
6 жыл бұрын
Finishing Touch Services Ltd yes, it's oil based gloss but I prefer water base as it dries quicker, which I need because I have a dog. What's the difference between BIN and 123. Many thanks
@robertjoy5347
6 жыл бұрын
123 is more expensive and definitely not needed for your job. We used 123 in a large hotel last year to seal the walls prior to lining as the paper and old pastry etc was reacting badly. For what you require 1 coat of BIN (red tin) is perfectly fine. Any further questions or advise needed feel free. Rob (FTS)
can you acrylic latex paint over varnish or polyurethane? is it gonna be ok without sanding with argyric latex paint?
@FisherCatProductions
Жыл бұрын
Use a high-end bonding primer and tests online have show there is no benefit to sanding first. Almost impossible to scrape off. Coat with acrylic--it is superior to oil paint nowadays.
Cracking video.Whats the procedure using Zinsser.Is it one coat of zinsser,a light rub up with a fine grade sandpaper,one coat of primer(which one would you recommend,oil based primer or water based primer) and one top coat of finish paint.Please can you help.👍
@manicbassa
6 жыл бұрын
Ricky 1234 depends what you're painting over?if it's something like varnish..... light sanding of the wood.... Zinsser one or two coats....a good undercoat like Dulux trade...then your top coat....
@Rich-fr9xn
6 жыл бұрын
Hi oldskool,what’s best to use on Zinsser,oil based or water based primer and top coat.👍
@manicbassa
6 жыл бұрын
Ricky 1234 I'm going to be using Dulux trade undercoat. I believe that is oil based. Just don't use a cheap product. Zinsser and then the Dulux would be ideal
@manicbassa
6 жыл бұрын
Make sure to vacuum the wood after sanding and then wipe it down with a tack cloth or a microfiber cloth
@Clan501-Scotland
5 жыл бұрын
@@manicbassa 4 coats in total on spindles and staircase? You must enjoy the novelty of being a painter because you ain't making money! No need whatsoever for the undercoat if you priming twice with bin.
Hello I have a question. I painted over a thin layer of clear coat polyurethane will it dry?
@jackwardley3626
3 жыл бұрын
what did you paint over it with
Sometimes even BIN fails. But i suspect that was a DIY job.. clients never admit it. or it was done long before Zinsser was wildly available, 20 years ago it certainly wasn't. Plus as long as you can't scratch it with a finger nail you're good, as clients don't tend to go around their homes with sharp blades.
Try the primer called stix's primer it sticks to anything
You can use a oil based undercoat too if you prefer
@MrDanred
4 жыл бұрын
Not straight on u don't. Shellac based primer first. Otherwise it chips
@jackwardley3626
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDanred you can use diluted oil undercoat but aluminium primer is best
i feel for ya mate,that's a nightmare.
Professional outfit. Just didn't have any dust sheets that day. 🤷🏼♂️
@illmitchjax
5 жыл бұрын
Looks like the whole house is getting gutted, the carpet will be headed to the skip - so why bother with a dust sheet?...
For us Americans you strip, sand, prime with all surface oil or latex primer, then top coat with oil or latex all surface. Bam that will stick forever. Enough said.
@user-qo7qc5em5t
4 жыл бұрын
Doing it right now. Bonding primer and a quality latex finish coat is fine. Cabinets and stairs
Thumbs up to the guy with the drill
I really would like to know what zinsser to use as there are so many different ones can someone let me know asap, as the white paint is stripping and revealing brown vanishing underneath
@franklin9613
4 жыл бұрын
"Shellac Base Zinsser" in the Red and White can or the "1,2,3 Zinsser"
@samanthadolldolls
3 жыл бұрын
@@franklin9613 hi I am having 4o go over app door frames.and skirting boards that have varnish on and want to go to white. So just going over this. 120 grade sand even in the grooves. Do.Inreallt need.tonpaint Zinnser twice? Then light rub again. Put undercoat with dulux trade paint. Then oik based Sateen white. Hope you can help. The whole house will take ages
I moved into a house. The previous occupant had painted the shower room black gloss. A very bad job. Unbelievable. Ripples and waves of dripped paint everywhere. How can I safely try and make the walls smooth again, and prepare the wall for normal bathroom paint. Living room 50% black gloss, too. 50% white gloss. Can you advise, please. Step by step?
@stormingthenations9587
6 жыл бұрын
You're saying the walls themselves were painted in black gloss? oil based?
@manichairdo6346
6 жыл бұрын
Kingdom Cause Community Yes. Thank you for your thoughtfulness to respond.
@stormingthenations9587
6 жыл бұрын
You need to use some 120 grit sandpaper to rub out the heavy gloss and basically take the gloss off. You don't need to go crazy but it is worth giving the walls a good rub down first. Then I would advise you to seal the walls using a diluted coat of PVA glue which will act as a new background for the next paint to adhere too and it will also help stop the new water based paints reacting with the oil. Use a flat Matt emulsion in the bathroom, or an egg shell (Dulux diamond Matt)
@dnsmithnc
6 жыл бұрын
Fixing the problem you have presented can be a huge undertaking. I would look at a number of videos on painting including prep here on youtub. Hopefully, you can begin to gauge just how big a job this can be and its expense. If you're renting, I would try to avoid doing this job. If you insist on doing it, I would invest in an orbital sander. Be sure to use a dust mask and get off the gloss and other imperfections. Again, just look here on KZread before beginning.
WHY (LIGHTLY) SAND OVER ZINNSER???
can I just confirm this all please? I am painting over the same type of dark wood staircase and want to paint it grey. Can you confirm these steps are correct please? 1. Rub down so no gloss or shine 2. Zinnser red tin - 2 coats. 3. Colour grey 2 coats. But of which paint? Can it be any make of oil based paint? Or can you suggest a hard wearing one? So dulux trade do a nice grey? 4. Top coat varnish Hope this makes sense. Many thanks
Zinnser 3 in 1 or esp
do you know how to get rid of gloss paint smell?
@jackwardley3626
4 жыл бұрын
a bucket of lemon and water or vinager and water in room or several buckets and while your using oil based you can add brush mate aroma which is like lavanda smell.
@iimalivebutimdead
4 жыл бұрын
@@jackwardley3626 thx
@hdsmack7203
4 жыл бұрын
Yes ! Don’t use it. Oil based paint is getting phased out slowly.
@jackwardley3626
4 жыл бұрын
@@hdsmack7203 I think that will be around for a long time to come but the whites for interiors now go yellow far to quickly now with out sunlight and if they put anymore regs on it they may as well not bother making them apart from specialists primers.
Brother, I like the way you paint.you are a very good painter. I am indian painter, can I get a job?
I have a saying: if in doubt zinsser it. It's a product that is that good.
And it's a bastard of a job, I would walk away if the price wasn't right.
Oil based yellows to quickly nowadays but
What about latex? You seriously can barely buy oil based paints here unless they are industrial grade high gloss. Been all over the place.
Well actually you can sand it and paint it with out zinzar
Dude you're using a wallpaper scraper!
Cant you just put primer over it all ?
@jackwardley3626
3 жыл бұрын
zinsser red is a primer
@shure46
3 жыл бұрын
No , you have to get the primer on the original surface , if you just prime over the paint , you're sticking primer to a paint that isn't sticking to the surface ..... you have to get the loose stuff off first and bond to the original surface as best you can
who walks around scraping walls. It looks pretty good to me
Yeah, i understand using paint stripper but hey, overall a good video. What are you doing with your time....hmm Kick start a youtube channel... go on then....:-)
"decorators" are the last people that should be painting or pretty much doing any work in a house.
@stevenlupanko2983
4 жыл бұрын
I have never heard of a painter that is not a decorator accept for a artist. Surely someone who paints but doesn't decorate doesn't only has half the talent. ? I demand a answer!!!!
@putsy1968
4 жыл бұрын
A "painter" , just paints. A decorator can paint (properly!!). Can hang wallpaper, do coving, remedial woodwork (skirts and frames). Can use a paint sprayer, etc etc.
@stevenlupanko2983
4 жыл бұрын
@@putsy1968 Fair enough that has simplified things. So a painter is to lazy to learn other skills, it that what your saying? I demand a answer :-)
@putsy1968
4 жыл бұрын
No mate. I employed one guy who could nt do anything but prep and paint. I paid him what he was worth. He could nt use a sprayer, he could nt paper hang. I would have paid him more for the extra skills. But he was quite happy just to paint.
@stevenlupanko2983
4 жыл бұрын
@@putsy1968 lol that's why I got layed off then. I could do a bit of everything badly so turned to something else that I could do well. I was a floor screeder but now I am full time at the chiropractor. Stay safe with covid about putsy.
Why would you take a scraper to your painted surface?😂🤔
There are test and comparison videos on KZread using water based primers over varnished wood. They show conclusively that high-end bonding primers like SW Extreme Bond or Behn Bonding Primer are almost impossible to scrape off even when no sanding has been done. I have NO idea why anyone would use oil base paint for finish coats. Absolutely no benefit whatsoever, and a real PIA to use and clean. Actually, acrylic paints are superior to oil based paints in this day and age.
Needs 300 worth of work to scrape the shitty paint job off. Zinnser bin is the dogs bollocks for this sort of job. No nonsense
That’s what you get for painting over wood finish
or another one called blockage sealer primer 🤷🏼♂️
Are you sponsored by zinser or something? Lol. You don't need Zinser, you can use any type of brilliant white primer as long as the surface is prepared correctly with some finishing paper.
@onthejobwithrob4037
6 жыл бұрын
Hi ljcooil87, LOL we are not sponsored by Zinsser but we have tried several other brands and not been impressed by the quality of the product so prefer to use it on that basis. As we were glossing over wood, finishing paper would not have been appropriate, but it is a good alternative when it comes to painting walls if they aren't in the best condition.
@petersparshot4997
6 жыл бұрын
ljcooil87 mate you have to use the red zinner tin. It's a shellac base finish so that the next coat of paint adhere s on to it, it will always chip. Your best bit is too strip of the stain / varnish with methylated spirit's then paint.
That's not a riser it's the string 😜
I would hate this as a job why would anyone want to do that. Just move into a house that's already done , when the paint chips off move out. Simples...
Sand it down. No need for a specialist primer.
Who takes a scrapper and scraps all this? Nobody!!!!
@eddierodriguez418
4 жыл бұрын
Its not the scrapping that's causing the stripping is the improper bonding i bet in some parts you can even peel it with your finger nails so any minimal scratch will show the underneath paint
@mrchocolate4eva
4 жыл бұрын
@@eddierodriguez418 obvioulsy you couldn't do it, that's why your video is half done and you gave up.
Wow big mess. Is it how it is... Cheap painter destroy market and home as well 😅
You never shown any of the process you didn’t show what you did it’s no good saying this is wrong use this to do it the right way so what did you do did you sand it then out the zinserr bin on and then what satin . This and the 2nd video was pretty useless really you never shown what you did 🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️👎🏻
@MichaelHarrisIreland
5 жыл бұрын
And how is he going to scrape away near the carpet stairs without destroying the carpet. I'd sand it and paint it and hope it'll last a few years.
Bollox this must be a zinsser sales rep. He's more expensive cos he talks to much rather than works. Loads of paints that will go straight over and still looks great and when it needs repainting a decade later you sell your house and move to a new build. Try macpherson paint that sticks to shit but shit doesn't stick to it.
Too much noise in background
You had me until you said ‘Dulux Trade’ 😢
Someone is inconsiderate as fuck. They must know you’re doing a video and they won’t leave that drill alone 😂
Oh his hot.marry me please lol
All you did is talk, need demonstration.
Your knowledge is good but you have put no blankets down so I would throw you off the job for being to messy.
omg he is HOT now I dont want to do any DIY
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