I remember the first time hearing about LP ranges on the BBC it was super disheartening. "What do you mean I could be a plat player on my worst days?" In reality tho I've come to the realization that having an LP range problem is actually one of the best problems you can have. All you have to do is identify even a single thing that drags you down in LP and focus on it to tighten your bellcurve and usually for the positive.

Great Video! First I watched, coming from Coach Cupcake. It really reassured me that I am going in the right direction with my approach to my e.g. current loss streak. I spedrun through Gold within a week after starting to watch Coach Cupcakes videos and then got excited to see how much further I climb. Made it to P2 and dropped to P3 50 LP several times. Loosing 50 LP at once is btw REALLY frustrating even when I tell myself I can get it back. And I had win streaks and loose streaks since then. What helped me is just recognizing when I need a break, either stopping for the evening or take a week off of League entirely.

The most important thing that I've learned through painfull trial and error was to NOT play ranked when you are not ok with the possibility of losing. Not saying you should expect to lose, quite the opposite play to your best ability to win, but the moment you queue accept the fact that there may be things out of you hands that will lead to a loss and that's ok,it's not the end of the world it doesn't mean you suck or w/e other bs. All the games I played with this mentally were fun and led to winning games that seemed to be lost.

@CoachCurtis

2 ай бұрын

Well said! If you aren't ok with the possibility of losing, you are doomed from the get-go

Yes Coach Curtis content!! 🎉 Also it's literally my situation I peaked E2 got demoted to P4 got back to P1 and now P3 again 😢

Good video, thx. Something I felt was missing was more specific discussion of *how to identify one's average level of play* with the associated rank. It seems fair to say that most players do not know what their average level of play is, our own bell curves are usually invisible to us - generating confusion and distress over experiencing LP variance as you describe. You mentioned numbers of games played (a potentially meaningful number being 75-100), and showed an example of Zed/Yone's rank distribution over time. Would you say such data is mandatory for a player's true ability (equating to mean rank) to be assessed? Would you care to plant a flag and say one's average rank over the last 100(?) games they played (within a certain timeframe? 6 months? 3 months? ect.) is the most accurate description of their core ability? Taking Zed/Yone as an example, would his Zed be considered ~mid D3, but his Yone cannot be judged yet because he is

@shadowatom

2 ай бұрын

You'd definitely need a large enough sample size to tell where a player's average is in order to get a better idea of the standard deviation. I think you could make the argument for their Zed being mid D3, but I don't think the sample size was actually that large (looks like about 60-70ish games?), and it seems like they've played Yone for about 80-90ish games, so I'd say the Yone rank is hypothetically a bit more accurate, but also depends on the level of champion mastery before that point I imagine. Regardless, I feel like the biggest take away from this video shouldn't be to try and find what your true rank is, but more so just to reduce the variance of your play. That would probably mean different things to different people since every will struggle with different concepts and skill sets. If you really wanted to, I suppose you could figure out what you needed to focus on and what measurable stat correlates with it and find the standard deviation of that over, say, 100 games? The sample size isn't too important since I don't think we're really looking for a super precise answer of "*this* is my skill", but it should probably be at least 75 like you said to help average things out such as the matchmaking. I'm not a statistician though, so do take this with a grain of salt ;) It'd be up to you if you wanted to break the data down between patches, but I think that'd depend on what you were measuring. If you're measuring something that isn't affected by a patch, it probably doesn't matter as much, but if your champion gets nerfed/buffed, you may want to split up the data. Again though, not a statistician, nor am I an expert in League for that matter! Just figured I'd throw in my two cents.

@CoachCurtis

2 ай бұрын

It's quite hard to accurately assess where you are at (IN THE MOMENT). It's really not until later in your journey in HINDSIGHT are you able to truly understand what level you were at and WHY. I don't think its overly important to accurately understand your proper rank, as long as you have ROUGH idea based off of playing a decent sample size of games at a particular elo bracket.

I'm not someone who cares much about rank but this is still really helpful. I'm going to start viewing my skill a significant amount below my recent peak MMR.

I'm curious what Curtis would have to say about technical analysis of LP charts. Technical analysis is a technique used in stock trading to analyze the dips and jumps of the price of a stock over time, in order to understand when the appropriate times to buy (When the stock it its lowest point) or sell (When the stock is at it's highest point). In my own journey I recently observed that the valleys of my LP chart were gradually becoming higher and higher over time. Eventually the new valley (lowest point in my LP range) was higher than the previous peak of my LP. For me that quantified success at mastery of current learning objectives (that or variance and I was just on a hot streak, who's to say?)

Really interesting vid. Never thought of the tilt Qs like that. What do you suggest when in such fluctuating state?

SO I just broke into gold this season for the first time and I'm like 80% WR gold 2, and your vids have helped so much. I've mainly stuck to ADC but I think what helped me so much more than anything is positioning as jinx in team fights. Staying back, landing rockets until I get the first reset and then going ham :3

Peaking a rank doesn't mean you belong there. Damn thats such a true quote. But people having the egos they have don't want to accept it.

Great video, thanks! "Map state calibration" sounds a bit off to me. What are you calibrating exactly? Sounds more like awareness or confirmation perhaps. That aside, could you elaborate a bit on what's included in this? Are we talking about player positions on the map, wave states and obejctives or are you also including things like who's fed, itemization etc?

@CoachCurtis

2 ай бұрын

Map state calibration refers to understand what is happening on the map at that point in time, in reference to : - teammate locations - vision - objectives

This helped me alot, realizing i've been stuck thinking i'm "Down" from my rank. But in reality i'm up, sure i was gold for a bit but i couldn't hold it, but at the same time im not bronze. Helping me feel "right" about being where i am, i'm not too low but i'm not too high either i'm just where i am.

thank you coach curtis

Thanks for the tips Curtis, i was diamond in BR server, now i'm master and maybe later grandmaster or challenger

Hey Curtis, i have been watching almost all of your videos, but i still have some trouble analysing teams comps or analysing champs identity like a whole on teamfights or maybe skirmishes.

What people need to understand is that LP fluctuations are a normal part of your journey. Don't be struck by big swings, go back to the basics and refine them, and focus on increasing your base floor overtime. LP gain is simply a byproduct of that process.

@samifawcett4246

2 ай бұрын

jesus the glaze its unfathomable

I think you're missing something in your assessment of the lp fluctuations in the zed -> yone player. Lp fluctuations are minimized near a tier border because you drop to 0lp (sometimes for multiple games) before demoting. On your graph you see the player lost several games at or around 0lp but lost little or no lp - this artificially makes his lp spread look tighter than if he was bouncing between d4/d3. The rest (including the bit about the bell curve) was spot on though.

@CoachCurtis

2 ай бұрын

True, good point!

i was playing while hearing you in toplane the i wanted to engage and suddenly hear you said, "they engage without thinking about jungle pathing" then i hold bit and saw Lilia coming from the bush, i was like "XD" that saved me and we end up wining 2 v 2 as my jungle was getting close to my lane.

@Elimbi1

2 ай бұрын

This is some matrix level omen

Omg this perfectly describes what happened to me. Im plat. Got really lucky games where it felt like I could int and we’d still win. Climbed to p1. I was so excited to break into emerald. Then like a mountain range I de-rank all the way to p4 0 lp. Im still slowly picking up the pieces and recovering to p2

I've been refreshing the page of this channel for 8 hours for new videos. I gonna go to the bathroom to change my diaper, for about 5 minutes.

I have lots of fluctuations, I am consistent but often get flamed by my team for my choice of pick. I went on a 14 straight win streak in diamond playing teemo jungle, but my team often see the pick and are either abusive, run it down after first death and spam ping my champion without actually doing anything wrong. It may not contribute to fluctuations but having a champ team mates do not respect can limit your ceiling.

Since i dont care about lp i hit d4 to master in 1 month the key is the focus on yourself not lp even i lose lp i always focus on what did i do wrong and try to avoid it next game lp starts to comes after that when you start playin for lp gambling mentality hits instant and you spam games for gain it back without any improvement

you are the best league coach ever

My fluctuations are like +-500LP, that just means I'm very inconsistent. I tend to be between low GM during my best time and d4 on my worst, but I can't really figure out what makes me that inconsistent.

Was two game away from D2, ended Emerald 4. That's fluctuation

To me it seems that more aggressive / riskier players would have a more elongated rank range. Is that correct?

I find I ussually dont drop massive amounts of lp, on average its like a steady +/- 75 lp and I have been steady climbing for a while. The most ive dropped ever is like 180 and thats the most ive climbed, but its not a regular occurrence. Maybe once a season

@danielhughes3758

2 ай бұрын

I guess that just means you're a much more consistent player than most of us

I kind of agree but at the time i was emerald for the entire season last season, but for like the last 6 months i was hardstuck gold... I could not believe it. I chalk that up to adc having been in a very bad spot for that time and the only viable adc's being lethality adc's namely mf and senna which i dont play. The moment they buffed crit adc's I went back to emerald. So sure you can go and say im not a real player, but to me it just looks like a case of a class being (purposely) held down.

How does someone get so smart like curtis? He's literally like a PhD professor lmao

I went from silver 1 promos to bronze in a single consistent 30 game loss streak does that count as lp fluctuation

One thing you missed: League of Legends uses Engagement Based matchmaking.

We need to learn fundamentals to stomp master top laners.

"how much lp do you fluctuate" quite a bit actually. Some days I have the best luck ever in solo Q and my rando teammates are actually pretty ok... Other days im tilted to the point im questioning how human kind can be considered an intelligent species after game 3 of a 12 game loss streak thats filled with feeders, afk "players", and/or just terrible macro calls that the team follows despite being pinged to not to. Its a team game, so like while its helpful to engage in self improvement theres only so much that one person can accomplish, and nobody can 1v9 in every match.

If he falls on the enemy team, I'll intentionally feed him

Haha Curtis did you finally get around to watching my video I sent you ❤, Basically hit my journey exactly. Though to be fair I went E2 to G1! A big factor though that was causing mental booming was the mmr to lp disconnect on demotions had a major anchor effect where each demotions makes lp gains worse. BUT THANKFULLY the problem for lp gains disconnect was fixed with the change to make demotions set you to 50 lp. Just my two cents but I think so much of the painfulness of solo queue was in that disconnection of mmr to lp making your gameplay quality influenced by something unrelated to the actual game

Hey Coach Curtis! I made a thumbnail for this video and i sent on your mail. I hope you will like it.

I've fallen 8 divisions after trying different roles and champions. Is that normal?

@everything-has-a-handle-now

2 ай бұрын

No, you're definitely getting wintraded

@perteadsf4914

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that's normal. Especially if you played jungle or support at some point, as these roles are completely different.

@orbitronsorbitrons

2 ай бұрын

Not too impossible. I am an emerald 2- diamond 4 toplaner but if I were to play adc I would drop squarely to like gold lmao. Jungle is also a whole different game, so if you roleswap to/from jungle you might also fluctuate a ton.

@perteadsf4914

2 ай бұрын

I remember Nathan falling a similar amount of LP in early seasons, and if my memory serves me correctly he is in Challenger now.

does anyone have a specific definition of lull state

@bigsmoke4592

2 ай бұрын

i mean to me it means i'm taking a recall and walking back onto the map which is time you can use to think about riots approach to game balance or how rude your jungler is or you can think about what objectives are up next, what your teammates are up to, where opponent champions might be, what items everyone is buying, remembering enemy soraka has exhaust, the list is loong

@MainHeadz1

2 ай бұрын

Think of lull states as periods when you have opportunity to think about the game. When your coming out of base, after you pushed a wave, when your ahead and can easily beat your opponent. Its basically whenever you dont have to immediately think hard about the game and there are always pockets of time when you can do that

@azeva01

2 ай бұрын

thank you both for the replies

I dropped from Gold to almost Iron I give up xD

@zat1245

2 ай бұрын

Do you play only one champion? I feel like that would happen from a massive inconsistency like swapping champs and swapping roles.

@Zim-ks6pb

2 ай бұрын

@@zat1245 i only play jungle nocturne and trundle and sometimes support Leona and I win against the enemy jungle more than 50% of the time but it is impossible to beat a system that matches you with 4 monkeys intentionally and constantly.

@marianominino7264

2 ай бұрын

@@Zim-ks6pb I am sorry but if you are bronze or silver, you are probably focusing on fancy staff and not the most basic things (like for example, "winning against the enemy jungle', what does that even mean?), you are probably also dying a lot. If you are struggling to get out of bronze/silver or even gold now that emerald exist and gold is the old silver, most probably thing is that you are still at that elo level (where people don't understand the truly basics of the game).

@Xhalonick

2 ай бұрын

​@@Zim-ks6pbbro drops from gold to iron and calls the other people on his team monkeys LOL. If everywhere you go smells like ish, maybe check under your shoe XD

@Zim-ks6pb

2 ай бұрын

@@Xhalonick i am at a point where i practically have a positive kdr every game and where i almost solo kill the enemy nexus but the 4 monkeys manage to make me lose. what is your rank captain superman?

i click this and i am emerald 4 0 lp...

the narratives we tell ourselves to deny the fact this game is casino is crazy

You know what is strange though? That my matches will either have 3 really bad players or 3 really good ones, resulting in 6-7 win streak followed by equal amount of losses. I always win the 50-50 games but these are like 1 in 10. All the rest feel like it has already been decided that we win/lose. I always care about winning and end up beeing disappointed because more than half the time nobody else does. I dont flame , int nothing. I just perform with A - S every single game and im still going up and down between emerald and plat. I am convinced this game is a scam by now.

Would love to have a call with Curtis so I could talk about all my crazy theories about the MMR system and all the problems with ranked.

@fivefourtwo4498

2 ай бұрын

Fundamentally uninteresting. Focus on your play and let the MMR/matchmaking go.

@samifawcett4246

2 ай бұрын

​@@fivefourtwo4498​ lmao mmr is fucked, funny how players think it accurately places peopl, keep kneeling down to these "fundamental" bozos. lil bros don't even know what a fundamental is, its a fking buzz word to lure u suckers for money.

nah that curve at minute 16 is just the point where he was hardstuck in d4 and since he was spamming enaugh games its riot way to say "you belong in here". overall this fluctuation thing is bullshit on many levels

@dzdiyos

2 ай бұрын

Whats ur op gg