How modern humans beat the neanderthals | Richard Wrangham and Lex Fridman
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Richard Wrangham is a biological anthropologist at Harvard, specializing in the study of primates and the evolution of violence, sex, cooking, culture, and other aspects of ape and human behavior.
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Can we all take a second and realize how blessed we are to have the internet and to be able to learn this information.
@hmq9052
Жыл бұрын
You'd know all this already if you read books
@5050YT
Жыл бұрын
@@hmq9052 Says the one who can’t formulate a sentence.
@hmq9052
Жыл бұрын
@@5050YT That is a perfectly formulated sentence.
@daveinpublic
Жыл бұрын
@@hmq9052 ‘you’d know all this’
@hmq9052
Жыл бұрын
@@daveinpublic Correct it. Don't repeat it
I'm consistently amazed by both the variety and quality of guests.
@sotcmultimediagroup6784
2 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing 👌
@evans9951
2 жыл бұрын
Best podcast on yt
@dustinhellberg3606
2 жыл бұрын
It boggles the mind how.
@richardpearce2186
2 жыл бұрын
You expect less from pugilists, generally!
@KeyserSoze23
2 жыл бұрын
It's just that Lex is such a boring talker. His monotonous voice zones me out.
I've noticed that infighting within species seems to be worse if the possibility of fatal wounding is lower. This is why you often see big animals like bears get in each other's face but they rarely hurt each other because the cost of engaging in a fight is potentially too high. It makes me wonder if humans naturally became less aggressive and learn to cooperate as our weaponry got better and the chance of dying in a conflict became almost certain
@aSSGoblin1488
Жыл бұрын
no longer does evolution control human behavior. human culture does
@matttracy1115
Жыл бұрын
👍
@aesir1ases64
Жыл бұрын
thats a question worth of a paper
@rasmus5341
Жыл бұрын
Or, as the chicken & the egg goes, did bears develop a more robust body due to more aggressive mentalities. My guess would be this
@brianhill2171
Жыл бұрын
Chimpanzees can rip each other apart with their bare hands and are notorious infighters
Fascinating discussion. Off to watch the whole interview.
@ivanarepas4883
2 жыл бұрын
Haha - same 👍🏼
@JamesZeroSix
2 жыл бұрын
Very fascinating. And really makes you contemplate a lot about our history.
@scorchogrey2385
2 жыл бұрын
For real. It ended on a fascinating tidbit.
Lex is one of the few actually smart Podcasters. It's such a gift
@fern7306
2 жыл бұрын
🙄
@Allworldsk1
2 жыл бұрын
Joe Rogan thinks he is smart. 😂
@jonny-dp2qr
2 жыл бұрын
@@Allworldsk1 he offers his perspective … we listen. he says he’s an idiot 10 times a show
@kless001
2 жыл бұрын
@@Allworldsk1 no he doesn’t he repeatedly says he isn’t. He’s still managed to help educate countless people.
@devonnelson3383
2 жыл бұрын
You know you've made it as s podcaster when you're used by government officials
This is one of the best guests he's ever had on here.
The evolution of our relationship with fire and the evolution of our relationship with the sun present so many questions and it excites me to have people like you exploring these questions.
That we live in a time where these kinds of gents get more recognition can only be a great thing for humanity
@godslittleman5451
2 жыл бұрын
The “theory” of evolution is one of the most unscientifically sound debacles ever entertained by men. Darwin himself said that his theory could not hold true if concurring evidence of transitional forms was not found. The fossil record shows no transitional forms supporting his theory. Here again, the hypocrisy of liberal unbelievers is evident in that Darwin was clearly a racist and included the term “favored races” in his book. There is much more evidence supporting a worldwide flood, including the main process for fossilization, which is “fossilization through the gradual settling of sediment in water.
@godslittleman5451
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to study the true history of mankind, start with the fossil record of human giants. There are thousands of remains of these all over the earth. They prove the Genesis account in the Bible, (mainly Genesis 6:4), which is why governments, the jesuits, and the Smithsonian Institute have made great strides in hiding, suppressing, and destroying this evidence. Your not doing humanity any favors by speculating upon a bad theory that categorically denies the truth contained in God’s Word. BTW, it is the oldest writing in antiquity and was verified again by the finding of the Dead Sea scrolls.
@balsham137
2 жыл бұрын
@@godslittleman5451 bedommit
@mangomoon
Жыл бұрын
oh, the irony
brilliant learner and it seems to both intrigue him in all subjects and provide a fantastic tool for his personal evolution. So fun to watch, thank you 🙏
Fascinating stuff. Nice job Lex
This topic is unbelievably fascinating, can't wait to watch the full podcast!!
@jonhall2274
2 жыл бұрын
Full podcast has been out for a long while now.
@hmq9052
Жыл бұрын
Or maybe read one of the hundreds of books on this subject! Just a thought
Brilliant guest, Lex a brilliant interviewer .. asks excellent questions and then gives space to expert guests like Richard Wrangham to answer
Great discussion. It answered many curiosities I had and opened new questions. Thank you for sharing. You are an increasingly important asset to the world. Please strive to do more and become better at asking the questions your listeners would ask.
@jostewart554
Жыл бұрын
What are you doing to research your own questions?
Absolutely fascinating. So much to learn. Love learning from lex and his amazing guests.
@hmq9052
Жыл бұрын
Sure. If you're an unread dunce, everything seems amazing
@slapshot1x
Жыл бұрын
@@hmq9052 Tell me about your contributions to Anthropology....
@hmq9052
Жыл бұрын
@@slapshot1x I've read hundreds of books on anthropology either directly or indirectly through literature, fiction and non fiction, or essays on the human condition. I'm not sure why I singled you out for criticism. What you said was perfectly reasonable. Accept my apologies.
I’m glad the algorithm sent me this I just listen to the whole interview and it was really great.
They ignore the cross mating of the species which would have resulted in a degree of assimilation of the Neanderthal.
@montgomeryx3852
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely not as intelligent as they bolster!!!!!!
@xXxXLoneWolf103XxXx
2 жыл бұрын
He mentioned it in another clip and alluded that the females were likely captured and let’s say had a one sided relationship. I think he mentioned it could’ve been two sided too
@Ryan-eu3kp
2 жыл бұрын
@@xXxXLoneWolf103XxXx and then theres the theory on that's why we have minimal body hair. Because women would mate with less hairy men due to inbreeding of neanderthal/human. No evidence to suggest this but I heard some guy say it and found it interesting. Also that since childhood we have stories of being afraid of the dark/boogyman, mainly because that's when Neanderthals used to grab us. Most of it has been debunked and this guy isn't a scientist, however you might find it interesting, I know I did :) m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/n46Wz9uwqqqnhtY.html Predation Theory
@YOSSI22T.B
2 жыл бұрын
Look up nikolai valuev. Boxer. Tell me hes not from the stock of neanderthals haha
@pablom-f8762
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ryan-eu3kp Danny Vendramini. I'm still to be convinced he is wrong.
I could listen to this guy talk about his field all day
Lex is killing it 👊
Very interesting guest and a highly informative subject!
I enjoyed this interview!!
Loved this conversation a smile the entire Time 😂 thank you gentlemen 🎩
"We are one of the worst killing machine species that's ever existed". No, we are the best.
@hadjesti
2 жыл бұрын
So true
@hmq9052
Жыл бұрын
On your own though you're one of the worst
@johola
Жыл бұрын
Until we wipe ourselves out🤣
Lex, this is a first class podcast. Richard Wrangham is a wonderful speaker. Well done both. 👌👌👌👌👌
loved this podcast!
It would be interesting to look back at us in say 20 - 30 thousand years and see what kind of effect our modern diets with high sugar content, high calorie, easy digestion, vitamins, other supplements, etc and easy living had on us.
@Alexander-ii7wy
2 жыл бұрын
We would all evolve to having micro penises because of it
@randomdude7345
2 жыл бұрын
Definitly physicily weak and fragile.
@samuelmecham3025
2 жыл бұрын
@@Alexander-ii7wy You might have a point. I guess I'll redouble my efforts to introduce my oversized trouser trout to as many women as I can. I'll use the fact that men in the future will have micro penises so they better get a big one while the getting is good.
@jasperhenderson3002
2 жыл бұрын
@@randomdude7345 not weak because we have easier access to food
@randomdude7345
2 жыл бұрын
@@jasperhenderson3002 food is one thing, but physical exercise is key.
One thing he only half mentions here that I saw in a documentary is that the jaw muscles needed for biting and tearing apart raw food were much larger in our early ancestors, and therefore took up way more space as they were attached around the brain. This was one thing that limited our brain size. Once we started cooking our food, our jaw muscles did not need to be nearly as strong and large and this freed up a lot of space for a bigger brain
@vincentvega5686
Жыл бұрын
as opposed to just growing a bigger skull to accomodate a larger brain or bigger jaw muscles? all these theories are just guesses. nobody knows why sapiens brains got bigger than other homo species or great apes for that matter.
@jasonalexander845
Жыл бұрын
Human brains have become smaller in the last 10,000 to 20,000 years.
I think this is a topic that many are interested in but not many people know a lot about. This guy knows it like the back of his hand, which made this a great video. I've taken a college anthropology class, but this talk was more informative than the class.
@MRTylerSalley
Жыл бұрын
A single anthropology class wouldn't give you the full scope there are specific courses dedicated to conflict
Lex asks the best questions of any podcaster
Richard Wrangham is one of the greatest minds ever.
@sda3082
2 жыл бұрын
Ever?
@dichebach
2 жыл бұрын
@@sda3082 I did not stutter did I?
@primus711
Жыл бұрын
Guy is wrong and a beta lol
Such and easy interview wish more ppl did this. If u invite a very smart person to your show ask good questions and just let them speak
@AimForTheBushes908
Жыл бұрын
Exactly 💯
@jostewart554
Жыл бұрын
Yes true. You have to be a great investigative researcher into your interviewee's books and subject matter. Lex is a very intelligent man. He works at MIT as a teacher so he has to have an incredible IQ and some great mind too.
Really great guest. I'll have to check out his books.
I’ve always thought it would be more likely that cooking food was discovered by defrosting frozen food. It would be obvious that things near the fire melts, you have frozen food, you hold it up next to the fire and that would obviously lead to different lengths of exposures being experimented with.
@thedonofthsht76-58
2 жыл бұрын
What if they didnt live in cold areas? Not like that had freezers lol and Tesla said he thought he was being sent thoughts from a different universe. The first humans might have just had the intuition to do eventually
@jaboris2536
2 жыл бұрын
@@thedonofthsht76-58 the templars were called templars because they thought the body were temples. 90% of the Haiti population try to go under demonic possession. Demonology is under the rug shit in the same pool as black magic that nobody wants to give attention too, especially In the university settings.
@thedonofthsht76-58
2 жыл бұрын
@@jaboris2536 huh I'll have to look that up.
@SerPapus
2 жыл бұрын
Ummmm no… most likely a Forrest fire and some animals got burned in the process and it smelled good.
@ColbyBlack
2 жыл бұрын
@@SerPapus - You have obviously never been around Forrest fires lol. Ain’t no slow roasted animals in a Forrest fire 🤣
Soo... Basically what you're saying is, teamwork makes the dream work??
@Grayto
2 жыл бұрын
teamwork with teeth.
@lolmouf
2 жыл бұрын
@@Grayto neanderthals didnt have teeth?
great interview.
This was a very informative and logical discussion
The meek shall inherit the earth And thanks to Jordan Peterson there’s the interpretation that meek is those with swords that keep them sheathed (potential for being capable and dangerous)
I think it’s very important he says the controlling almost as in taming instead of creation of fire. Fire is demonstrated In nature and is a result of energy I believe so our ability to harness energy is what allowed us to advance which is a general principle of how we evolve to this day. It’s fascinating. I wonder if we continue to think along these lines as kardashev did. I’ve always thought that controlling or taming gravity would be one of the most important things humans ever do and maybe it’s possible in this line of thinking.
@4kdefinition70
2 жыл бұрын
we already do control magnetics which is what gravity is , the problem we face is not the knowledge but the resources to test and implement.
@barryallen871
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't aviation in general a form of taming or controlling gravity?
@4kdefinition70
2 жыл бұрын
@@barryallen871 yeah if you choose to look at it that way, really its controlled gliding and using engines to reach and maintain altitude for quicker trips. don't know how much gravity control that maintains, but its an interesting topic. Gravity in its entirety is magnetics, look at a magnetic train that propels itself via magnetism, that's more anti gravity than a plane, but one could argue its only controlling magnetism and not gravity.
@dessertstorm7476
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's that important
@JacrostheWHite
2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be that hard to comprehend how to tame - for example - oh a burning branch from a bush fire, oh I can carry it and create more. I don't think its that amazing.
Tremendous work Lex
I can't believe this content is free. Thanks so much.
Be interesting to know if there’s been any attempts or studies trying to teach other animals to use fire 🤔
@richardhollis2530
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a dolphin or killer whale would be intelligent enough. I don’t think you should use fire
@b-roll
2 жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYWXsJmleLaqZbw.html
@king1k463
2 жыл бұрын
put down the weed
@HeckaS
2 жыл бұрын
I hypothesize primates might be able to learn.
@SB-yf6tu
2 жыл бұрын
@@king1k463 how did you know 😂
That part about the cooked food is so true, I’ve noticed it in my dog (he literally just said your dogs and cats prefer cooked food as I was typing that) I’ve noticed my dog reacts differently when we’re prepping her food, prepping raw meat for ourselves, and when the meat is being cooked/plated. She’ll watch you pretty closely when you get her food ready and follow you to her bowl, sometimes she pops into the kitchen when she smells the raw meat come out of the fridge, but once you start cooking the meat and sit down to eat she goes NUTS. Edit: he mentions a correlation between cooked food and an increase in brain function and size. I wonder if you bread generations of dogs and only fed them cooked meals if you’d eventually start to produce smarter and smarter dogs 🤔
@mzyil
Жыл бұрын
don't think so. there should be a selection criteria for bigger brain size too. in our ancestor's case bigger brains meant higher survival rates, however for a domesticated animal's case it does not matter if it is smarter or not. unless you introduce that to your experiment as an "artifical selection"
@joshuablair252
Жыл бұрын
@@mzyil Damn. I was about to cook meals for my dog all summer then put him in a suit, and schedule a job interview for him so he can work and I can quit my job
@kincaidwolf5184
Жыл бұрын
Dogs are actually significantly less smarter then Wolfs because they no longer need to be smart to surivive. Becoming domesticated and understanding Humans emotions and vocals isn't the same as intelligence. Domesticated animals are less smart then their wild cousins.
@radezzientertainment501
Жыл бұрын
Also would destroy jaw strength over the generations
Thanks so much
I learned so much with this short clip
Very interesting conversation... especially the important of controlling fire and most animals, including apes, prefer cooked food. Personally, I've always thought that less time eating equated to more time thinking and inventing.
@Shatamx
11 ай бұрын
While yes I agree some did tinker and think. I honestly think we just did more mating and killing after eating.
I learned so much. Thank you for the lessons.
This discussion had me at full ear.
Man that was absolutely fascinating.
Love this episode Lex. Thank You.
Imagine the number of "Einsteins" that created fire over 100s of thousands of years only for everyone else to get scared and kill them (like they were witches)
@RSCALES11
2 жыл бұрын
Damn- that’s really sad to think about.
@monsterous289
2 жыл бұрын
@@RAPEDBYBLACKS What television tropes? Twilight Zone or generic Salem witch trials?
@malinko35
Жыл бұрын
The witch hunt was not fueled by people doing supernatural things, it was fueled by moldy bread making people act crazy.
@monsterous289
Жыл бұрын
@@malinko35 Yeah, definitely in part. But I'd say it would be very easy for wild animals and humans to instinctively know that fire is bad. You make fire. Therefore you bad.
Cooking is simply outsourcing the digestion process. Genius.
Language is our most powerful tool. We have a greater ability to negotiate, bargain, lie and at times, recognize a lie.
An interesting take on the anthropological record is that the neanderthal genus were canabalistic and night hunters. It would explain why it was an us vs. them interaction post diaspora....
@rican_921
Жыл бұрын
Thats wild and scary, imagine you being an homo sapien back then were all you had to defend yourself was a stick and fire against a bigger stronger more ferocious humanoid that also could eat you?
@mangomoon
Жыл бұрын
You seek to explain something that never happened.
@user-vp5xf6fm5p
Жыл бұрын
@@mangomoon huh?
@mangomoon
Жыл бұрын
@@user-vp5xf6fm5p There is no evidence it was an 'us vs them interaction' or that 'humans beat neanderthals'. There is, however, evidence of interbreeding between the two species and transfer of knowledge and technologies, such as the use of red ochre in cave art or the process of hand stencilling by blowing red ochre onto a surface partially obscured by a hand. These comments are akin to speculating about the great 'man vs dinosaur' war of prehistory.
@2DReanimation
Жыл бұрын
@@mangomoon oh, lol, well yeah. But by your first response you might as well have been a young Earth creationist.
My last dog, a mongrel mix of beagle, terrier, etc, wouldn't eat a small piece of raw deer meat. I was surprised. He LOVED a broiled T-bone or pork chop. The dog of my childhood, a 30-something lbs mix of Cocker Spaniel, terrier, collie, would kill a rabbit and devour every piece of matter from head to tail, guts and all. But she mostly ate table scraps.
@liltreefort2804
Жыл бұрын
by this point weve bred out the wild in the wolf... that one dog would eventually eat raw meat if he was on his own starving one day but he knows that cook tbone with all that juice and spices is GOOOOOD lol... your cocker mix still had a little wolf in her... i used to have a girl cocker they are pretty smart for being on smaller side of dog breeds and she was super loyal to me because i would always sneak her extra food or snacks. my mom and brother took her when they moved and i went off to college and new city for work so it had been 5-6 years since she had seen me and the look of WTF on her face when i came in the house and called her name she could not believe it... then instant zoomies and tail wagging, she would not leave my side for days and spent the night in my bed even tho she loved sleeping on the couch over anything. damn i miss her... RIP ZOE
Great clip
Very insightful
This man has never been on twitter if he thinks betas are non violent!
@artofexistance
2 жыл бұрын
Or witnessed Antifa lol
I wonder if thats why people, especially children, are afraid of the dark. Stray from the fire = eaten.
I would like to see let's staff. They do a great job of helping him put this podcasts together
John Hawking wrote about how human’s evolved to be less reactive due to practising settled agriculture and living in large communities in his book “The 10,000 Year Explosion”, prior to this, modern humans were quite reactive.
I think that humans are inherently territorial. The culture that you are born into will tell you what to covet. Unfortunately, I also believe that humans suffer from group think.
@rockyevans1584
2 жыл бұрын
I think what you think is well accepted science, not exactly a hot take
It always amazes me as to what percentage of people are oblivious to how violent and the potential for violence that's in every individual. Look no further than the Ukrainian famine in the 30s when parents were eating their own kids, if humans had to compete for food, there would be no such thing as "civilized behavior".
@matrix2297
Жыл бұрын
WHAT that's wild....real life hunger games
@edwardsanchez3708
Жыл бұрын
My dogs and cats be plotting on eating me I caught one of the lil ones rubbing bbq sauce and meat tenderizer on my face while I was asleep
@joshuablair252
Жыл бұрын
@@matrix2297 it was the biggest event of human cannibalism in human history. We are talking millions of people forced into cannibalism. It’s called the holodemer. I know I spelled it wrong. But I have met people from the USSR that have talked about the “mystery meat”. People didn’t question it, they were just happy they had meat.
@joshuablair252
Жыл бұрын
Look it up
@aesir1ases64
Жыл бұрын
@@joshuablair252 Communism at its finest
I would argue that homo erectus's body form arose mostly out of an evolutionary pressure selecting for running adaptations, while fire enabled the digestive and encephalizing adaptations
Amazing! 🙌
The fact that multiple types of hominids roamed the earth at the same time, and us sapiens just happened to be the evolutionary winners, really throws a wrench into the Biblical version of reality.
@visionaryvalley4347
2 жыл бұрын
No. Humans devolved from etheric beings. Evolution is a fraud. And I'm not even a "Christian"
@joseribeiro5894
2 жыл бұрын
@@visionaryvalley4347 Your point goes against the great majority of the scientific community. I hope (for the argument's sake) that you have some very good reasons to say that.
@visionaryvalley4347
2 жыл бұрын
@@joseribeiro5894 exactly.
@joseribeiro5894
2 жыл бұрын
@@visionaryvalley4347 lmao You got me. You re a troller right?
@faxenmacher4633
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, and so I prefer a more Masonic interpretation: Existence had not been made devoid of potentials, out of respect to life. Now you might ask: what does that mean exactly... Well, how else do we measure the value of a thing, but by how much it contributes to a better existence? If solving a problem (such as world hunger) is inherently glorious, then problems (such as starvation) are entirely necessary in order to improve upon some aspect of existence: therefore also, for meaning, glory and in this case; survival. If we were born flawless into a perfect world, then "God" would have failed to bestow any significant meaning unto his creations. Like an inventor whose invention failed improve upon anything - a solution for a problem that didn't need solving. I suppose however, that is all rooted in the concept that life is inherently a meaningful thing - and to some degree, that is what separates religion from philosophy. That difference is why some atheists might not adhere to any specified religion and yet hold a sacred reverence for the idea at the innermost core of all religion.
We ate them all.
@john12152
2 жыл бұрын
We actually absorbed them...a lot of the human race today have a tiny bit of neanderthal DNA...yep, we jumped them outta existence
@john12152
2 жыл бұрын
*humped not jumped...my autocorrect is a prude
@scottydog9997
2 жыл бұрын
No we didn't, we had heavenly copulation with them.
@sciencefliestothemoon2305
2 жыл бұрын
@@john12152 there is a calculation that roughly 40% of the neanderthal genome is spread out in our genome, 1% here and there in different population
@altergreenhorn
2 жыл бұрын
5:00 He forgot to add environment of both species in equation, namely Neanderthal lived in a harsh environment like today Alaska where was thoroughly planing a base for surviving it couldn't have a lot of offsprings because of scared resources. Homosapiens on the other hand came from a rich environment where a planning wasn't necessary for surviving and could live in a large groups with a lot of offsprings. Those two philosophies how to live are seen even today if compared Africa as a home ground for the Homosapiens and Europe as home ground of Neanderthal. Not to forget Homosapiens come from much warmer Africa probably with some diseases which could be lethal for Neanderthal.
Really interesting stuff that reminded me of my anthropology class several years ago. Whoever edited this probably could've cut the end better, though, heh.
"Proactive violence high, reactive violence low" - this sounds similar to what Rene Girard talks about in the scapegoat mechanism
My favorite theory is the giant war between the two species. There has been plenty of evidence to show fighting was happening between them everywhere so we might of just wiped them out
@potomac2445
2 жыл бұрын
No there isn’t monkeys never turned into monkeys or there would be monkeys still turning into humans you have to be a brain dead to believe this crap!
@haydnrogan6789
2 жыл бұрын
Our Dna says they are us.
@fabulamcafee
2 жыл бұрын
@@potomac2445 communication is about sending and receiving. your job is now to explain me so i can understand what you mean. I'm not him, but let me support his theory. there was a time when the early humans were nearly wiped out. scientist believe only 50ooo survived. at that time the bow was invented too. so there might be that we lost a war till our species has established the most creative psychopaths
@rileysmall4317
2 жыл бұрын
@@fabulamcafee pretty sure this fool doesnt believe in evolution.
@anon2414
2 жыл бұрын
Crazy how 1 to 2% of European and Asian people have Neanderthal DNA still. There was also interbreeding
We don’t know nearly enough about Neanderthals to make these types of claims, but our advantage probably wasn’t huge or it wouldn’t have taken 30 000 years to replace them.
@Dreamin995
Жыл бұрын
Maybe we introduced a disease(s) they were unable to overcome
@YesBruv105
Жыл бұрын
@@Dreamin995 yeah it's called social aggression.
Our superpower is adaptability. No matter the situation we can adapt
Ok Lex, this one gets you my sub.
If squirrels could learn to start fires we would be in REAL trouble
@fukemnukem1525
2 жыл бұрын
So would they....
@guitarmusic524
2 жыл бұрын
Middle school teachers deal with these daily.
Anyone know if Neanderthals had similar language skills as Sapiens? Thinking about why Sapiens would be better cooperators than Neanderthals. I've seen that Neanderthals did have similar voice/hearing apparatus to Sapiens, but I can't find any theories about complexity/type of language.
@saerain
Жыл бұрын
Well, just judging from their lives as small, distant groups, it seems likely that any language was less likely to be similar to other groups, limiting its development and usefulness quite a bit.
@ChrisStavros
Жыл бұрын
We don't know anything about their language, or anything about their brains, except that they were larger than those of Homo Sapiens. All our theories about the Neanderthal are based on our ego: "oh, they had larger brains? Well they were probably smooth and less effective than ours. Yeah their languages were probably shit. We were just such good co-operators". None of these are hard facts. The real explanation is probably far more simple. Homo Sapiens came in more numerous and more aggressive, and we just killed them all due to our small-brained aggression. End of story.
@mattBLACKpunk
Жыл бұрын
@@ChrisStavros that plus larger brains consume more calories
@aquilae1670
6 ай бұрын
humanity first, raaaah@@ChrisStavros
When my man is saying cooked food, he's not talking about BBQ bananas. Eating meat, cooked meat, was one of the catalyst for us to enter into an age of progression. Farming is what enabled society to propel forward.
Damn. This podcast blows my mind.
I grew up in a small town in Oregon. My people thought all the surrounding towns were moral degenerates. I am talking of high school students. Anything wrong was in these other communities. I am really sincere with these feelings. So any other is suspect. These are just a few generations removed from Europe. It showed me we murdered Neanderthals wherever we found them would be my guess.
@schultemeister6975
2 жыл бұрын
Stuff like believing other people were barbaric or uncivilized happened a lot in ancient societies
@joenobudie328
Жыл бұрын
Nah oregons just full of degenerates
@WWoggins
8 ай бұрын
@@schultemeister6975 In ancient societies? Listen today to anyone (politician and regular folks alike) talk about foreign policy, and all you hear is how every other nation is barbaric and terrible and if only everyone else were like us, the world would be a better more civilized place.
A lot of this is based on tons of speculation-lack of cooperation of Neanderthals, etc.. In gorillas, there is an alpha male and a relatively peaceful existence per Mr. Wrangham’s opinion in another video.
@strahaironscale571
2 жыл бұрын
well doh..we are talking about 40k years ago, of course there will be speculation
@silviuflorin744
2 жыл бұрын
More like everything is bullshit. To think primitive man was less agressive to allow "cooperation" than neanderthals is bad speculation. They keep trying to justify why humans prevailed by downplaying neanderthal's capabilities. "They were agressive dumb and couldn't cooperate" "they couldn't throw very well" Maybe a combibation of factors wiped them out like plagues environment changes etc and not the awsomeness of humans. And maybe humans survived by sheer luck.
@usemythirdarm
2 жыл бұрын
@@silviuflorin744 You do realise neanderthals are humans, right?
@dr2377
2 жыл бұрын
Most of it is. I started realising that years ago, but you want to keep hearing more. It's strange.
@oddmanout7755
2 жыл бұрын
Someone fancies himself and Alpha and got triggered by the big brain dude.
Really a great conversation💭💬🗯 thanks man
4:30 the good ol' "whatever it was" supports my claim
There's a great book called Story of the Human Body. It mentions despite Neanderthals having Slightly bigger brains, Homo Sapiens were more *Socially Development,* creating bigger Tribes that basically outnumbered them... (Oh he did mention it.. good)
@user-vp5xf6fm5p
Жыл бұрын
Bigger brains doesn't mean smarter brains
"Humans can kill all other animals on earth with a sharp stick." -I heard that somewhere
"Are we naturally corrupt, or are we naturally kind..." I wish Wrangham would think about this a lot more carefully here and in general. The general populace does not go off to war because they are corrupt, they go off to war because they are altruistic and want to defend their group and/or punish the bad group for the wrong things they have done. This wild mashing of terms together that he sometimes engages in is not helpful or productive. The leaders may have corrupt motives, but that has nothing to do with the motivations of the people marching off. Violence at the individual level may be motivated by corruption, yes, and also by jealousy and many other things.
@selectiveeye4370
2 жыл бұрын
Children figuring out how to manipulate at such early ages should be a pretty good indicator of this. Violence and altruism are just unavoidable byproducts of how we as a species cope with and survive our environments.
@philippriestman8516
2 жыл бұрын
Kropotkin was of a mind that we succeeded as a species through cooperation. We as groups will and did sort out ways of overcoming the trials and tribulations of life. Government came later.
@nathanbruce1992
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting point
@oddmanout7755
2 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna call BS on this take. You need look no further than the Holocaust to refute the notion that citizens are detached from their leaders decisions. The German people knew thier neighbors were being herded onto trains in the middle of the night and did nothing. That was not altruism, it was opportunistic violence for the purpose of avoiding personal discomfort.
@tribalypredisposed
2 жыл бұрын
@@oddmanout7755 thanks for your uninformed opinion. I suppose all of those millions of German men matched off to fight and die because they were corrupt? Have you thought about this at all, or do you prefer to just have strong opinions for no good reason?
No more full episodes?
Lex gonna be the new JRE one day
I can’t stop watching what Richard is doing with his hands lol
@patrick6213
2 жыл бұрын
Specifically around 9:47
Reminds me of the beginning chapters of Yuval’s Sapiens.
@felipetejeda7545
2 жыл бұрын
Great book
Imagine learning how to control fire. Mind-blowing.
Damn, this was a good one. Great guest! And Lex may be my favorite podcaster. It's a toss up at this point between him and Joe Rogan.
Equally as good as JRE!
@felipetejeda7545
2 жыл бұрын
Lex has more science based guests, for that sphere of guests Lex’s podcast is superior.
@haydnrogan6789
2 жыл бұрын
Way better
10:46 That's a good arguments for volume eating raw vegetables to lose weight.
@roboito9130
2 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. Isn't he saying that if we ate more raw food our guts would be bigger? So more weight?
@ITSC2252
2 жыл бұрын
@@roboito9130 I think it means that our stomach physically stretches out to accommodate more food. You can stretch your stomach out quite easily when trying to put weight on over a prolonged period of time.
@pistolen87
2 жыл бұрын
@@roboito9130 Yes, for other primates they need bigger bellies to digest their food. My point was that humans who want to lose weight, should eat food high in volume, but low in calories to get full on lower amount of calories. The diet is called volume eating, lots of info online about it.
@AV57
2 жыл бұрын
Yup. It works. The more raw fruits and vegetables you eat, the less cravings you have, and therefore the more you replace high calorie foods. Also, your body gets a workout just trying to digest raw fruits and vegetables. The only real downside is the farts.
My thoughts on why we out competed Neanderthals, we are able to form super groups/super tribes/civilization versus neanderthal was always only able to form in local small tribes.
What a wonderfully academic title to this upload.
Don’t let Joe Rogan hear about the alpha male thing
Neanderthals lived in the north, and life up there must have been pretty darn rough during the worst parts of the ice age. Makes sense most of them would have died off, with the survivors interbreeding out of existence with migrating humans as the ice age eased. Also a lot of the extremely quick and huge floods during the deglaciation especially hit hard in the north, so many of their coastal population may have gotten wiped out in practically an instant.
@meritorioustechnate9455
2 жыл бұрын
Neanderthals originated from Africa and migrated with humans to Europe and Asia.
@kylekissack4633
2 жыл бұрын
@@meritorioustechnate9455 wrong
@meritorioustechnate9455
2 жыл бұрын
@@kylekissack4633 You’ve come to be educated. Should we begin with Neanderthal, Denisovans or the unidentified subspecies linked to both?
@user-vp5xf6fm5p
Жыл бұрын
@@meritorioustechnate9455 I'm confused. Are these people denying the existence of Neanderthals?
The creation of fire AND the perfecting of it, with oil and combustion engine and further. That was and is the key to evolving.
Lex "Your going to get eaten." Richard "Your going to get terrified and your going to get eaten."
This clip gets 5 thumbs up. Awsome topic so informative.
Are we naturally corrupt or naturally kind? Yes.
12:17 i imagine it is very much coupled. I mean, you learn to control fire, the first thing a curious human does would be to play with it, to put things in it. Leaves and sticks at first, maybe a rock, and surely a piece of meat before long.
Educational