The reason why the original trilogy worked was because of Laura Ziskin It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth Sadly, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1 She was the only one at the time that cared about quality rather than quantity or toys sales

@Zombiesnyder13

3 ай бұрын

Avi Arad cared more about toys sales than storytelling That's why 2005s Fantastic Four didn't work

@anonymouschicken20

3 ай бұрын

Someone please resurrect Laura Ziskin. Please and Thank You. Spidey 2 2004 is the best Spidey movie, change my mind.

@HafifSyukra

3 күн бұрын

That's why we hate Avi Arad for caring more about toy sales

The biggest problem with so many versions, is a lack of people working on these projects that know and respect the source material. The more universes, the harder to find a person/team that can do the material justice.

I’ve lost faith in Sony, they should work out deal with Disney, they’re diluting comic book movies in a way that would make WB blush

@user-xp3mn9we3m

3 ай бұрын

Fr. Marvel actually cares about correcting their mistakes and improving the quality of their films. Sony...doesn't.

@arfhat89

3 ай бұрын

Disney hasn’t had the best track record either but yeah better than Sony.

@madhukarg8052

3 ай бұрын

Kevin Fagie wants to make a universe of films whereas Avi Arad wants to just make money

@whitey6433

3 ай бұрын

​@@user-xp3mn9we3m idk what universe YOU live in, but both are fucking everything up.

@AbhishekDebLaskar-tk4ym

3 ай бұрын

Have you recently seen the marvel garbage that Disney's been spewing?? I mean yes Sony really messed up this attempt of madame web, but Disney haven't particularly been great since endgame, they are putting up too much content, too frequently, to enjoy a show or movie coming up, there's just too much multiverse crap going around that has literally diluted the concept in my opinion, sony being crap at their job doesn't automatically exonerate Marvel's recent attempts of continuing the MCU, they should just take a slight break and come up with engaging content, for e.g, did you really enjoy She Hulk or the secret invasion, or thor love and thunder or antman 3, even wakanda forever was quite terrible, as someone who has been following the series since Iron Man 2008 the series lost most of its charm ,if not all ,post endgame, it just all seems like an extended death of the franchise There's a video by nerdstalgic about the very topic i mentioned so perhaps give that video a watch too

I think No Way Home and Spiderverse show a blueprint of how to keep Spiderman involved but not obersaturate the character. Both feature multiple versions (sometimes hundreds) of spiderpeople sharing the screen, and at no point in either movie did fans become confused or overwhelmed. It's about acknowledging the existence of other spider people and focusing on their uniqueness among the web of similarities.

@entername2954

2 ай бұрын

nice pun lol

VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY (who is also directing VENOM 3) MORBIUS had the writers from GODS OF EGYPT (Who are also behind MADAME WEB) And KRAVEN THE HUNTER has the writers from TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT AVI ARAD ruined everything again And he isn't even involved in MADAME WEB

@mangaloveranix8412

3 ай бұрын

Shut the SSU down, Avi. We don't need it. You are ruining cinema. Look at what you have done with Ghost of the Shell: The Live Action Movie.

@anubusx

3 ай бұрын

He has no clue what he is doing.

@Zombiesnyder13

3 ай бұрын

​@@mangaloveranix8412 Don't forget Uncharted

@mangaloveranix8412

3 ай бұрын

@@Zombiesnyder13 that movie is crap with Tom Holland. Thanks to that failure, Tom got into the MCU as MCU Spiderman.

@xdead01x

3 ай бұрын

Good lord no!!!! 😱

What Sony really needs to do is put Phil Lord and Chris Miller in charge of their everything Both the animated and the live-action They're the only ones that know what they're doing

@madhukarg8052

3 ай бұрын

even if you put Lord Miller for everything Spiderman, they won't make it, Sony don't let them do the way they want to do

@LeonardoKlotz

3 ай бұрын

@@madhukarg8052 then why Spiderverse worked?

@madhukarg8052

3 ай бұрын

@@LeonardoKlotz simple answer Amy Pascal, if she is still with Sony then I will agree with you,

@madhukarg8052

3 ай бұрын

@@LeonardoKlotz she wanted to make a animated Spiderman movie after the TASM2, which eventually became into the Spiderverse

@thegreatacolyt1277

3 ай бұрын

​@@madhukarg8052yeah

5:31 Actually, Into the Spider-Verse came out in 2018.

@HecDan28

2 ай бұрын

I thought I had gone to a different timeline when I saw that 😂

you should make a video on the following topics - 1. how NCIS has been loved for 21 seasons now 2. any video about suits tv show

Directing "Kraven The Hunter" is a career suicide for JC Chandor

If Sony wanted to make money, they’d make Andrew Garfield the main Spider-Man for their movies. A Logan style 4th movie for Tobey with Kraven, even use Aaron Taylor Johnson if they want. Then make a small scale 4th movie for Tom that builds to an Spider-Verse event movie or have Miles and the other Sony Universe characters make cameos in the fight scenes in Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars.

@final_boss1715

3 ай бұрын

andrew garfield sucked get over it sony is not getting him.

@loganhurley4764

3 ай бұрын

@@final_boss1715He literally ran circles around the other two Spider-Men in No Way Home. And I’m a mainly Tobey fan.

@final_boss1715

3 ай бұрын

@@loganhurley4764 ran circles you're delusional. you angrew fans are so gay. i bet you only remember andrew scenes. get a life clown.🤡😂😂

@ranoutofgoodusernames8394

3 ай бұрын

@@final_boss1715 Andrew didn't suck 💀

@final_boss1715

3 ай бұрын

@@ranoutofgoodusernames8394 he only did 2 movies they both were terrible. whats not to get.

5:29 Actually Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse release on 2018 not 2019

Disney and Sony should negotiate the film rights to Spider-Man. Have Disney & Marvel Studios handle live action Spider-Man movies while Sony can handle the "animation" side of things because it's been pretty clear for a while now that Sony can't make good live action Spider-Man movie (not since Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2) and Madame Web further proves the point which is why they should stick with animation as Into & Across the SpiderVerse are the best movies Sony made

Did this post later than intended? Madame Web has been out for almost a week (and absolutely B O M B E D)

Wonder how this guy feels now that Madame Web is actually out 😂

Spider-Man 4 and TASM 3 are guaranteed to make a profit but first they need to hire people who can actually write a good script to get the actors back on board.

@Zombiesnyder13

2 ай бұрын

But most importantly They must get rid of Avi Arad

Can you make a video “The problem with Age of Ultron”?

For Sony, it ain't morbin' time anymore.

Sorry for the nitpicks but Spider-Man No Way Home is the 4th film in Phase 4 of the MCU and not phase 5 and Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse was released in 2018

Peter Parker isn’t featured in the second miles movie. That’s Peter B parker

@jasonpeet6198

3 ай бұрын

It's still A Peter parker

@razorwing360

3 ай бұрын

who is from 616 (not the same 616 from the comics)

Great video.

Sony or marvel must must have to make a joker level villain for spiderman by giving solo villain movies

Spider verse came out in 2018 not 2019

It feels like the writing’s on the wall with Sony’s Spider-Man Universe (as well as their handling of their films made without Marvel Studios): When their only major successes are the animated Spider-Verse films, it’s perfectly clear that it’s not the side character spin-offs that fans care about, it’s the films starring Spider-Man himself.

Personally, I'll watch as many Spider-Man movies/shows as they make. I love every iteration of Spider-Man I've come across. However, I do understand how it can be confusing for others. My only hope is that they still have good stories at the end of the day.

I don't think Marvel wanted Spider-Man: Far from Home to release when it did. Sony has final say on when those movies come out (even though they aren't fully in charge when it comes to creative decisions).

Into the Spider-Verse was released December of 2018 in the US.

At this point, i think that Marvel should handle all live action projects while Sony focuses on the animated Spider-Verse

Kinda got tired of Spidey after the movies Emma Stone was in. Still haven't seen the Tom Holland ones but the Spiderverse stuff was great

I love spider man's comic and its story. Seriously there's a lot of interesting spider man instead of the usual nerdy peter parker. Also maybe it is time for a spiderwoman origin story in movie format, jessica drew or julia carpenter who both such a fan favourite and with different skill sets from regular spiderman.

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse came out in 2018, not 2019

Into The Spiderverse came out in 2018

I loved both Tobey and Andrew as spiderman, and I even love TASM 2 despite it's kinda messy and ultimately it could've been a different film based on the quantity of deleted scenes plus a few other that were shot. I like Tom as spiderman but he doesn't convince me 100%. The MCU has never treated his version as he was able to carry the whole movie like Tobey and Andrew did. Instead, his first two films felt more like Iron Man Spinoffs that "standalone small stakes" story, and the fact that he's kind of an annoying teenager didn't help his cause. IF the MCU manage to pull off a fourth movie I hope they give the character the respect it deserves and the standalone movie it needs

I don't know why Sony doesn't just make a Spider-Man 2099 movie.

Oh I very much think the fate of Madame Web was determined my friend lol truly ironic to have a movie about a clairvoyant hero do so bad

I am all for any Spider-man content. In my youth, when the only place you'd see the character is in the funnies, there was still a major saturation. With more titles and stories and crossovers than most fanboys could possibly deal with back then up until currently... Modern cinema is just the natural extension with the tech

Not sure if you heard but Sony or Disney kind of admitted that now they are trying to kill it include the madame web movies so if it does not like the comics blame them.

How many Universes can Peter Parker save?

@funminer8453

3 ай бұрын

Who’s Peter Parker

@user-xp3mn9we3m

3 ай бұрын

​@@funminer8453Iron Man.

@anonymouschicken20

3 ай бұрын

@@funminer8453 Either a smart No Way Home joke, or you seriously don't know a thing about Marvel.

@matityaloran9157

3 ай бұрын

@funminer8453, it’s Spider-Man’s real name

Spider-verse came out in 2018.

I honestly hope they do Spider-Man Noir justice, he was a favorite of mine

It's surprising how consistent the spiderman movies are while everything else is the cinematic equivalent of two planes flying straight into each other.

Sony should just hire some good writers and if they have villains tell some villain stories. Tell a scarlet Spider story and move forward from their have the clone take over the Sony universe for a bit.

8:03 fin.

The real villain is copyright law. Make the best product or let others do it. Imagine these movies coming out alongside A24's version of Spiderman

Sony needs so much help, I don't know where to even begin

I just find it ironic that, in terms of both box-office and critical-returns, the most successful 'S-M' movie so far is indeed the animated one. =) ; )

In other universes producers never canceled Spider-Man 4 by Sam Raimi. Movie is huge succes in box office because is good - this my universe where I want to live :) Greetings!

They need to start respecting the source material more.

Whenever DECU and MCU are in trouble, they go back to their most bankable Superheroes, Batman and Spiderman.

It boils down to Sony not having confidence or a damn clue on what to do with any Spider-Man characters. Just tell a good story, don’t worry about building some big universe…

Spidey is the Batman of the MCU. Automatic dub if you give even 50% effort

“Despite civil war having the entire avengers cast” You forgot 1/3 of the original 6 Also spiderman into the spider verse came out in 2018

4:10 MCU phase four

At least three.

Idk alot and age of ultron is great and peters moms name is mary? Funny 7:30 i don't think thats true i think it could all be good but it probably won't be

I'm still disappointed that the CLOSEST we've gotten to a Comic accurate Spidey was Sam Rami's in the 2000s.

@chhoyla

3 ай бұрын

Hate Tom Holland’s version the most for this. Hopefully the soft reboot changes things!

YES!!!

Marvel should add more requirements for Sony to keep the Spider-Man license. If the Spider-Man movies flop at the box office for three consecutive films, Marvel should revoke the license.

Madame Web will make a webillion dollars!

@anonymouschicken20

3 ай бұрын

Sadly but also, great pun man.

sony has lost a lot of respect from fans by trying to milk every spiderman character and making them look worse.

Not to be that guy, but Into the Spider-Verse came out in 2018.

Web already been out like over a week

What if they did a universe that resembles a fan film and the Spider-Man of that universe ends up being Dan Poole? And the whole atmosphere looks shoddily filmed to sell the amateur style.

ABOUT 13 OF EM

As many as Marvel's worth for, there are hundred of multiversal spider-man in comics. It's a long way of movies that there will be, depending on the greedyness of the companies it can either mean good movies or bad movies. Unforutnately, we can only vote with our wallets to force those greedy companies into producing content that is worth watching.

I strongly disagre whit the conclusion of the video. The only bad spider-man media recently has been exactly the one that doesn’t include him (the Sonyverse) they need to either put a new actor in the spidey suit or bring Andrew as the titular hero of their “venonverse”

Doesn’t Sony with amazon make The Boys ? They should just focus on that , they’ve done really good with it

I don't think anyone is worried about Madame Web spoilers 😂

GYAT

Sony needs to be stopped.

I just want to watch beyond the spiderverse man

I wouldn't say that Sony is stretching the Wall-crawler too thin, but more the universe or cast of characters. I will never get tired of seeing Spider-Man show up in live-action or animation. He's just that popular and I enjoy seeing a good portrayal of the character. That said, Sony is trying to build a universe with not as interesting of characters or basically trying to do too much too quickly. Madame Web isn't that interesting of a character to me. She's just not and so I was never interested to see her movie. Likewise I am a huge Venom fan, but both movies were meh and just felt weird to me. How can you have a Venom origin without Spider-Man? That's what I mean. They are trying to build a world involving these other characters, but when these other characters are so rooted in the main character's story, it becomes difficult to make a film about them. Kraven I enjoy as a character rather much, but at this point I gave up that Sony can confidently make a universe. I'm just not that interested in their projects anymore aside from the animated ones. They still want to make a Sinister Six movie, but again without Spider-Man. I doubt that will work too. Most of the problems the other live-action movies failed with is trying to build to a larger world too quickly or studio melding. So really, Sony is just trying to expand this world to hold onto the IP and it's showing. Spidey can do a lot of things, but he can't save a world when idiot executives are running the show. My only hope is that their next several films tank so badly like Morbius and Madame Web that they start considering selling the rights. Well after Beyond the Spider-verse comes out obviously

Fun fact: Four of the BEST Spider-Man movies were made by Sony without ANY involvement from Marvel Studios...

I genuinely think spiderman and Deadpool ❤ spideypool!!!!

they should make a sub studio for Spiderman ( like Ghost Corps for Ghostbusters ) and merge that with MCU and get a 10 percent ownership of Marvel overall, come on Sony you guys are fucking loosing it, do what I said and be happy

Avi Arad was behind poor X-Men films Does anybody trust him handling Spider-Man films

Sony need to hire people who actually care for the IP then stay out of production. It amazes me how Sony created the Spider-Verse films and then Madame Web. And stop green lighting movies that no one cares for.

Sony wants money from Marvel's Spiderman as their own money tree desperately. They are way too greedy from surely understanding Marvel has Marvel Studios, which keeps any and every one of their characters checked and ready-to-go out of 100% profit away from licensing out their properties to third-partied companies. Sony is to make Spiderman movies every 3-5 years to gain movie money while Marvel keeps the merch sales for extra cash. As a Spider-Man fan, I instantly think Sony is draining Spidey dry in live action presumptiously and animation bleakly. Sony wants the SSU to center on Spiderman, but given to trade-offs with Marvel Studios, the SSU focuses on rogue antagonists and neutrals, such as Madame Web and Venom. Every hero has a value of balenced immortality. Like you said, "If you remove Spiderman [out of the scope in your story], what story are you telling us about?" or something like that? If they think about Spidey, at least they probably shall not start universes by making a series of movies starting with Raimi and not overload cast members for simple cash, then with Webb, and finally within the MCU so Spidey can mature or grow up, facing the Sinister Six, as those movies break the mold sequel by sequel, time to time, effort to effort, step by step in consistency and coherence. If Sony misses a mark on Spidey massively, then no more Spidey to them. Marvel will swipe him away for the MCU and that will throw away Sony's plans into the trash can, never to get discovered again. Sony, just focus on animation projects with Spidey mainly to break the mold like how and why DC does with The Batman. You don't need a world filled with a rogue gallery of creeps and thugs and familiar people we know from comics in live action connected to an arachne guy at high school and the newspaper corporation who is swinging out there to be the best version of himself, Sony. You are getting belibeli by eating rice without stew or soup, rigorously betting you will survive while you will not at the end. Are we ready for MCU Spider-Man's fourth movie and Spider-Man Beyond the Spider-Verse? I think Madame Web is pretty eligible for me to watch in order to see where Sony's going with the Spidey movie rights without Pete Spidey into the MCU once and that's it once for all. Who knows about Madame Web getting that as her movie without Peter Spiderman or any good Spiderman? It is 3/10 trash for me.

5:30 2018

Mcu greatness

At this point, I think people are going to see Madame Web just to witness how awful it actually is. Marketing wins once again.

Dude sorry but nwh was phase 4 not phase 5 and Into the spiderverse was 2018 not 2019…

5:38 third

The Spider verse was already saved, Madame Web ruined it.

I just want Tobey SM4 and TASM3 that's literally all I want.😭

You keep the Miles Morales movies out of this, mister. The rest ARE sus, though.

Gaurdians of the Galaxy movies were much more entertaining than the spidey movies.

A lot

3:13 one quick correction, Marvel didn't want to nake Far From Home, Sony pushed it, which is why its the weakest of the MCU Spidey movies

Madam web made 6million on opening day vs no way home made 120million, so i think you can say Madam web is a flop

I like some of the sony marvel movies, but what the fuck do they know about spider-man?

"Slightly disappointing age of ultron?!" The fuck you taking about? Age of Ultron was great!

@noobmaster69426

3 ай бұрын

He was saying it on behalf of some audiences. You see, it was well-received, but often regarded as the weakest Avengers film

Yea nah

It's a shame that with every subsequent appearance of Peter in the MCU, the less like Spider-Man he became. They ripped out all his classic narrative tropes, took away his independence by making him an apprentice to fucking Iron Man of all people, took away his supporting cast for underdeveloped characters, took away all the drama that his double life creates. What a disappointment he ended up being. It's like they were afraid to make a Spider-Man story for Spider-Man! Also, FFH SUCKS!

Couldn't Sony still retain the rights of spiderman from their Game div which makes interactive movies anyway & it still counts as use of IP to retain it , no? Just schedule a animated movie like Spiderverse Sometime inbetween the game's production and scheduled release. They are still using the IP and they don't have to make these bad LA B-movies and be the bottom of the Joke. So the responsibility saying for Current W3stern run sony LA movies ( including Marvel as well post endgame ) should be "with terrible movies comes great memes" OR if they really want to do LA movies so badly then just take up the R-rated marvel chars back in days of Marvel pre-disneyfication and make those movies/shows completely on R-rated / mature on ur side and then tie-in with MCU if u are deadset on making LA ones. Cause looking at marvel under dudney , how it handles it Mature / R-Rated material and waters it down to somewhat of Psuedo Pg-13 movies which is a mix of R / M & PG ratings satisfying neither one of crowd like Deadpool is reduced to basically the "Mask of the MCU" but more serious yet a jokester.

Sony is murdering the franchise 🤣

Spiderman vs Godzilla 😂😂😂 location Japan

Madame Web is screwed, change my mind. I'm not hating the movie or anything...just saying with today's internet, everyone's going to inevitably hate it anyway.

Pretty sure you're good re: Madame Web spoilers... No one is going to watch that s**t

6:39 across the spiderverse had mentioned the events in no way home.

As my father would say, a man who serves two masters fails both. This would be Spiderman for disney and Sony.