How King Gizzard use Odd Time Signatures, Polyrhythm & Polymeter
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King Gizzard are well known for their use of odd time signatures, polyrhythms and polymeters so today we are going to take a closer look at how these techniques are put to work in their 2017 album "Polygondwanaland".
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0:00 King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard
0:27 Crumbling Castle
1:00 Polygondwanaland
1:51 The Castle In The Air
4:03 Deserted Dunes Welcome Weary Feet
4:30 Polymeter vs. Polyrhythm
6:33 Inner Cell
7:24 How to analyze songs with Moises
8:18 Loyalty
9:27 Horology
9:54 Tetrachromacy
10:57 ...Searching
12:13 The Fourth Colour
14:30 5/4 car alarm
15:54 Patreon
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How incredible is it that King Gizz released this album into the public domain and also made 4 other albums in 2017.
@Syncop8rNZ
27 күн бұрын
It was an interesting time...
@hman2912
27 күн бұрын
A lot of music had to come out
@ster2600
27 күн бұрын
The album is NOT public domain. It's not even commons. Its licence is something along the lines of "you can make copies freely as long as you don't modify them at all".
@sharpvidtube
27 күн бұрын
25 albums in 12 years, some musicians struggle to make 3 in that time. So experimental too, they aren't just repeating themselves.
@lowly.8776
21 күн бұрын
Burnout gonna be a hell of a time
I'm a 70's Rocker and this is YES On STERIODS. LOVE IT!
@boomshankah1123
27 күн бұрын
More like Daevid Allen and Gong than Yes.
@bernhardkrickl3567
27 күн бұрын
I got some Caravan vibes on some songs, although Caravan don't go as crazy with the rhythms.
@onurb59
27 күн бұрын
Gentle Giant also..
@scifiordie
27 күн бұрын
Yes doesnt suck, dor the most part
@IHateNumbersOnNames
27 күн бұрын
fuck, your typo gave me the idea for a band name... Stereoids.
I can tell these guys are slowly becoming one of your favorite bands
@christopherrice6804
27 күн бұрын
resistance is futile
@phil0x2e
26 күн бұрын
I can tell these guys are ̶s̶l̶o̶w̶l̶y̶ rapidly becoming one of ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ our favorite bands
LETS GO DAVID MADE ANOTHER GIZZ VID WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@GreatJinjonator
27 күн бұрын
lmao thats a sick pfp
@fossiltortoise
27 күн бұрын
@@GreatJinjonator 12-dragonic bruise
@leonardoroscelli4385
27 күн бұрын
Incredibly based
The personal observation I've made with these time signatures is that 7/4 and 7/8 somehow sound more normal and more natural than 5/4 and 5/8; it feels to me as if 7/4 is to 5/4 as 4/4 is to 3/4. What I've noticed in the examples here though is that King Gizzard has a talent for actually making 4/4 sound like an odd meter whenever it appears!
@zarzaparrilla67
27 күн бұрын
They also have the talent to make odd time signatures sound like usual time signatures. Every song in Polygondwnanaland is a bad example because they're meant to sound complex, but other songs like the river in 5/4 or the wheel in 7/8 sound really natural.
@ramunayy
21 күн бұрын
getting super into king gizzard made me really interested in odd time signatures, and songs like wah wah or the river make 5/4 sound super natural. you count it in your head and it's disjointed but the melodies in those songs make it so natural
@prince4rslan
9 күн бұрын
@@zarzaparrilla67 Different time signatures make no difference in what you hear, they exist to organize the written music
For second I thought the song in the credits of this video was a song by King Gizzard that I had never heard before, but it turned out to be by David! Great song and great video!
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
Thank you 😊
Crumbling Castle: the greatest song of the 21st Century!
It won't be long until the world recognizes these dudes as the greatest band of this generation
@srpalme449
26 күн бұрын
Based
@herschoolcolors
25 күн бұрын
The bar is so low it’s basically lying on the ground.
@wheresmycar9559
25 күн бұрын
@@herschoolcolors cope, cry, seethe
@herschoolcolors
25 күн бұрын
@@wheresmycar9559 Next time you’re copy/pasting stuff you’ve seen other ppl say on Reddit and Twitter, maybe try using it where it makes even a little bit of sense.
@zanetoner8111
25 күн бұрын
@@herschoolcolorsyou’re such a badass bro
Your video on Gizzard's use of the modes on IDPLMAL launched me from an enjoyer to a super fan. Great video and great album
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
I think king gizz is everybodys favorite band, they might just not know it yet
KG is one of the best new groups of the last 10 years. They explore many different styles, all their stuff sounds interesting.
Highly highly recommend seeing these guys live, the energy they bring is unmatched.
@Stanspliff69
3 сағат бұрын
wish i could but i has no legs
I love the origin of Float Along's time signature, it's such a funny and modest story for a band that goes crazy with this kinda stuff now😂 it's also one of my favourite chill gizz songs, it's absolutely beautiful and honestly still very underrated
@giddycadet
25 күн бұрын
i think float along is their best song period, with crumbling castle falling close behind. but i consider float along more euphoric than chill
Amazing! Huge thanks for featuring our app in your video.
we're gonna get there!
@prismix0870
26 күн бұрын
we don't need no whereabouts
This is immediately the best resource for anyone asking for clarification on Polygondwanaland's concept. I couldn't have asked for this, what an undertaking. I personally thought about Tetrachromacy as mostly a 3 thing with the odd 4th beat hiccup; kinda like Golden Brown, now I think about it. That's mostly an interpretation from the lyrics though. Trying to see the fourth colour. But again, this was ultra illuminating. Well done and thank you!
I see King Gizz, I press like
@lema1337
27 күн бұрын
we're simple fans, cannot resist the gizz
want to watch David explain the Mars Volta 🤍
Just one more thing with the fourth colour: the riff that is played which descends (12/8 and 2/8 as you described) is played 4 times then moved down and repeated 3 times, then 2 and then once before leading into the "chorus" (I believe, the hyperbole). Can say that it is the 10 bars for the 10th song but I thought it was awesome how they implemented that.
Great video. The fact they can be so complicated whilst still sounding good is what really makes it impressive
I'd like to see you look into Butterfly 3000's time signatures. Almost all songs are have polymeter. For example, synthesizer in 'Yours' is in 15/8, bass is in 14/8, drums are in 8/8. I've also been transcribing the whole BF3K (it's about 85-90% done). If you need, I can help with some information.
@TC-lk2ev
26 күн бұрын
B3K is my favourite gizz album. The polymeters and rhythms in it are nuts. I'm not surprised they can't play 90% of it live haha. It would be a bit of a mindfuck.
@Stoneador
9 күн бұрын
I feel like Butterfly 3000 is an album that sounds pretty straightforward on the surface, but has some pretty crazy rhythms working in the background
One of my all time favorite bands! Their versatility is limitless and I eagerly await the next time I get to see them again live!
Probably one of my favorite records of all time, thank you so much for this great video
I really need to get into this band. Very proggy.
@mcgardenshedsisreal
27 күн бұрын
polygondwanaland and nonagon infinity are good albums to start with, the silver cord is very good too!
@MiguelCyc
26 күн бұрын
If you want some prog-metal go for PetroDragonic Apocalypse; or, Dawn of Eternal Night: An Annihilation of Planet Earth and the Beginning of Merciless Damnation.
More king gizzard WOO
Yessss another King Gizz video! I saw these guys two years go in Las Vegas and am seeing them again in Detroit this August. Super excited!
So great to hear about KGLW on your channel! They have so much incredible music to be analyzed. Hope you will cover more albums soon, including their use of motifs, word painting, microtonality and crazy production and publishing ideas
YESSS!!! This is my favorite band and I'm so excited to see this video. I am a bit disappointed you didn't analyze their song Shanghai as it has some really weird polymeters going on, but they have so much interesting music that I really can't complain. This video would be many hours long if you analyzed every interesting thing they ever did. But hey, that means plenty of material for future videos at least.
Genuinely really cool how you worked the sponsor into the video itself! And King Gizzard is a band I've been meaning to get into for a while, this is a great reminder!
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊
Did a deep dive on Gizz a year ago and so glad I did. Listened to all their albums. So much diverse material. Need to see them live.
Great video David. The section on Polymeters made me realize what I was missing when trying to figure out what was happening on a lot of the songs on Butterfly 3000, which has a similar effect with a lot of the analog synth loops.
This analisys Is awesome. Thank you!!
KING GIZZARD MENTIONED also Mr. Beat would be a really cool song to analyze, as its rhythm is really interesting consisting of a 29/4 groove
@quilli1222
27 күн бұрын
Isn't it just 7/4 with every 4th bar being 4th bar being 8/4?
@axospyeyes281
27 күн бұрын
ye@@quilli1222
@gregg8721
27 күн бұрын
its in 7+7+7+8/4 if you wanted to have it in one time signature
@lallomes
27 күн бұрын
that pattern pops up in Road Train as well
@MiguelCyc
26 күн бұрын
Once I'm Mr. Beat, only miss a beat
Such a great album
thank you for helping me understand my favourite music better ❤
I just love how King Gizzard explore so many aspects of music making. From different genres, to scales, rhythms, sounds, tunings. And still somehow are recognisable. Really refreshing and good to see that a band can be more than a standardised products, but can be what ever it wants to be. I think so many artists are afraid of changing their style to not frighten or irritating their fans. King gizzard is the exact opposite of that. That just gives me hope and confidence that everything is allowed and that there is no right or wrong when it comes to creating something new. Very much appreciate your analysis videos on the band, David. As a not classical trained musician this makes so much observations of mine easier to understand and again sparking new thoughts about music making. Thanks a lot!
YES! Thank you so much for doing this video! I just discovered this band through this album and was hoping to find a good analysis video on the rhythms
@DavidBennettPiano
21 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
Unoddly enough, searching is still one of my favourite songs. Like, in general. I just love these semi-slow paced simple beats with monotonous voice and some polymetre bass and percussion in the background.
@giddycadet
25 күн бұрын
i feel like it almost should have been composed microtonal, with the last note of "try to brighten up my day" (and every other time that note appears) being flattened by half a semitone. that's how i always sing it and it just feels so right
amazing video about one of my favourite bands!! it would be cool to see a video about swans or einstürzende neubauten at some point!
Never really checked these guys out, but I'm down with what they're throwing.
Literally just started listening to them again the other day and the album that hooked me all over again was this album right here. So intricate and complex and yet so groovy at the same time, Poly and Petro are their undisputed time signature mind melter masterpieces. Awesome video man I love it when I can elevate my appreciation for this band in any way and understand their music just a little more.
@artonion420
18 күн бұрын
And BF3K!
@Esraug9012
18 күн бұрын
@@artonion420 can’t forget about BF3K with its synth lines carefully placed and goin all over the place. You right!
Amazing music and amazing analysis. Thanks!
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
That's a superb job! It's not that trivial to figure out these polyrhythms/polymeters so easily! It takes time (at least for me) Kudos!
@DEAKY3GAVUEL
27 күн бұрын
tá aí uma ideia, fazer um vídeo sobre o King Gizzard (com um tema diferente, claro)
@mariabrandao5559
27 күн бұрын
@@DEAKY3GAVUEL com certeza!
Love the Gizz!!! Although, they're slacking off; been an entire six months since their last album!
Steve Reich+ King Crimson+ King Sunny Ade. So cool. Great breakdown. A lot of work I’m sure.
KGLW just reminded me of hawkwind when i first heard them. Proper space rock! I had no idea about all the odd timings... it just sounds normal to me. Great video. Thank you.
awesoem vid, more king gizz please!!
Really enjoyed this video, David! I've been a KGLW fan for about 5 years now (as my pfp would indicate) so I was excited to see this in my feed! BTW, for a future odd time signature analysis, I suggest checking out "Question!" by System of a Down, which uses 4 different time signatures throughout its 3-minute duration.
Excellent job mate. Well done
@DavidBennettPiano
25 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊
After watching this I see that, obviously, music by The Gizz can be extremely complex but when I listen to it I don’t notice or get distracted by the complexity but just sort of drift along and get really lost in the exotic, vaguely middle eastern, mood. It’s a very satisfying listen!
Gizz inspired me to make a 9/8 song it's now one of my most favourite time signatures to use when I want a strange feel
Love that album so much - been such a big inspiration for my own first record and writing in odd time signatures in general ➗
I have a fairly vivid memory of attending a drum clinic at a Southern California music store I patronized long ago, featuring Carmen Appice, which was my first eye-opening introduction to odd time signatures in a rock format. I'm not a drummer, but I attended with my bandmate/housemate at the time.
Really nice analysis
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊
Thanks for the heads up on the Reddit David.
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
😊😊
something you missed in loyalty, the 5/8 never truly fades away. the synths fade, but one of the guitars can be heard playing a similar melody in 5/8 underneath everything else in 11/8. it’s easier to hear it on live performances, such as chunky shrapnel
GETTING CLOSE TO 1 MILLION DAVID
@DavidBennettPiano
25 күн бұрын
Yeah!! I’ve got some livestreams planned for when that comes around!
Is it wrong that I would like an analysis of Flying Microtonal Banana? Great video by the way!
Best band on the planet.
LOL - the car alarm inspiring the 5/4 song. Reminds me, the Bee Gees once said that a bridge they used to drive over made a noise that inspired the rhythm at the beginning of "Jive Talkin'."
I'm glad such a weird experimental band like this is getting all this attention.
Thanks! This was a riveting video. Love the complexity and creativity of their music and your presentation.
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good topic, nice vid
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it 😀
I have plenty of clues in my Spotify likes. However places like this is where I get insanely good recommendations. Keep up the amazing work
Thanks for the portuguese subtitles 😍
Okay gonna be coming back to this video a few times...
My favorite King Gizzard polyrhythm is in the song "Catching Smoke." The meter for the majority of the song is 3 bars of 4/4 followed by a bar of 9/8. The bass during the chorus, however, feels that rhythm in 11 bars of 3/8. The verses also break this rhythm up into bars of 3/8. So the 33 beat phrase is simultaneously broken up into 8-8-8-9 or 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3, while still being an extremely catchy song.
obrigado por colocar legendas em português, david
outstanding interesting
shoutout to my sister for being the one to introduce me to king gizz. dudes are dope as
More Gizz please!!!!
Good to see 5 bars of 5 beats in each line. I tend to think that most odd time sigs "cheat" by grouping bars into fours. 3/4 timing almost always does this too.
I find the Giz to be one of the most interesting yet most accessible rock bands. Even the microtonal stuff sounds like rock, and its catchy.
PetroDragonic Apocalypse! Motor Spirit's 5/8 is so cool.
They go all in on butterfly 3000 Thats a mess of time signatures and i love it
5:19 I noticed that cheeky reference to Virtual Riot's polyrythm techno song!
please do a video on Petro Dragonic!
Horology is mostly in 7 but there are times when it's alternating 7 and 6 making a 13/4 time signature.
Polygondwanaland es todo lo que amo del progresivo sin todo lo que odio del progresivo. 10/10 y mi disco favorito de King gizzard.
This was the first time I heard about King Gizzard but it will surely not the last time. This is a really great interesting band! Thank you David for presenting this to us. 😎👍
This sounds very like some of the early Krautrock type of stuff - Magma, Neu!, early Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk.
Please do a TOOL one!
_Fear of Fours_ by Lamb similarly features all kinds of time signatures except 4/4 and 2/4, as the name implies. One of its songs, _Five,_ seems like it's in 5/4 but throws in 11/8 at times. More precisely it mostly has sections of 8 bars, of which six are in 5/8 and two in 6/8; or occasionally seven in 5/8 and one in 7/8.
You should listen to Mild High Club, which King Gizz made an album with a few years ago. Very jazzy.
David, King Gizz are coming to the UK again next month. Will you be going to see them?
I’ve actually had quite a similar experience to Stu and his car alarm. My washing machine beeps in 7/8, and I’ve tapped my foot and snapped my fingers to the beat many times
The greatest band of our generation
It wasn’t until I saw Loyalty live that I realized Joey has to play that 5/8 pattern and sing in 11/8 at the same time😵💫
Great topic....When are you gonna talk about Phish???
YESSS need more king gizz, petrodragonic is another good polyrhythm/meter album, especially witchcraft
Wow
This video is a veritable Blizzard of information.
i'm surprised you missed out the polymeter and hemiola in the start of inner cell! while the drums & bass are doing 5 bars of 5/4, the vocals & guitar are playing in 6/8 - with 8 repeats and an extra 2/8 to fill the gap at the end
hi David! thanks for the video. i wondering, on 1:10 you are explaining how they are playing 5 over 2 polyrhythm. am I right that if we count in 16th notes, we can say that the bass drum just hitting each group of 5 (16th) notes, right?
pt 2 please
Idk if it's polyrhythm or what, but you should do a video where you analyze the outro to "I Would Hurt a Fly" by Built to Spill. It has three guitars playing three separate beats.
1:40 when you do battery percussion in marching band, a 5:2 polyrhythm is not uncommon at all. i love how music and math can be so related sometimes
Wow, interesting analysis! At 12:15 could call this a 9 vs 8 polymeter as it looks like the 8th notes are going at the same rate in both meters.
@DavidBennettPiano
27 күн бұрын
Yeah you can consider the 4/4 as 8/8 so yeah 9 against 8 polymeter is a better way to describe it 😊
Hi David, thanks for the video! While watching I was thinking about a similar styled band called psychedelic porn crumpets. I had a question about their song « dependant on Mary » around the 3:50 mark there’s a part that feels really powerful and I’m not sure why? I would love to see a video if it’s a topic Interesting enough to analyze and if not then maybe just a response? I know your super busy making these killer videos, thanks and I look forward to more to come!
Wooooo!!!