“Submachinegun, 5.45 caliber. It's got poor accuracy and overheats like hell. That's why they call it a "Bastard gun"”

@ultraelite143

3 жыл бұрын

Use short bursts

@misscath28

3 жыл бұрын

Ah. I just thought it was a Chinese ripoff of the MP40 which was a german weapon that looked very similar

@unknownguyindo4356

3 жыл бұрын

@@misscath28 It's a ripoff of the Sten gun. Sten gun is made to be cheap, this thing is suppose to be even cheaper. And both of them can be quite unreliable at the most inconvenient time, especially an ambush.

@rufickderufia8222

3 жыл бұрын

@@unknownguyindo4356 imagine a cheap version of this

@unknownguyindo4356

3 жыл бұрын

@@rufickderufia8222 Sten is literally a pipe gun in steroids, bastard gun is even cheaper. I don't know anything cheaper than that other than a homemade weaponry.

Feels like I'm watching forgotten weapons but without a cameraman

@nuxtheunkrakible9324

3 жыл бұрын

Forgotten Weapons: The Early Days.

@PvtMartin78

3 жыл бұрын

He doesn't have a cameraman either.

@Yourantsally

3 жыл бұрын

Ian just uses a tripod

Man this is one step removed from a truly functioning firearm, as soon as you said you worked as a gunsmith it all made sense, really impressive work dude.

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the comment and your viewership. I hope to come back to this at some point and build another one chambered in a cartridge light enough to work as a straight blowback, maybe 9mm or 9x18 Makarov. The pivoting magwell is neat for a operational replica like this, but it ads a lot of unusual complexity and timing issues to the design. Thanks again for watching!

@simoncleret

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fairfax_kit .380 ACP and .40 S&W are pretty much perfectly cylindrical at their widest points, so they should stack better than 9x19. Otherwise, 5.7x28 to keep the bottleneck aesthetic.

@BobtheHobo324

3 жыл бұрын

@@simoncleret if you want bottleneck, 7.62x25 Tokarev is much cheaper and even fits the locale of the games

@91tears94

3 жыл бұрын

@@BobtheHobo324 thats definitely a great idea

@simoncleret

3 жыл бұрын

@@BobtheHobo324 look at the taper on it. It doesn't stack well in a straight mag.

The bastard gun in this game actually moves the magazine up or down after each shot, and not up and down for each shot, which is the most confusing mechanism that I failed to comprehend...

@Awfulfeature

3 жыл бұрын

Magazine go boing boing boing boing boing

@Impreza-bj5jh

3 жыл бұрын

Magazine go boing boing boing boing boing

@ethanmorrison6199

3 жыл бұрын

Magazine go boing boing boing boing boing

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

3 жыл бұрын

Seems like it would work like a zig-zag revolver but without rotation. The track for the bolt returning home movement would be cut straight so that the magazine holder doesn't move, but on blowback the bolt would push on a camming track.

@CaptainGrief66

3 жыл бұрын

I think it makes sense to assume that it does that to align the cartridges with the barrel, but the bolt is still weird to figure out

I've always wanted to try making a functional duplet. I feel like it'd be super simple. Nice work, man. Love these videos!

@yeetyateyote5570

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen one somewhere around the net! A functioning 12ga firing version i mean

@justiceforjoggers2897

3 жыл бұрын

@@yeetyateyote5570 12 gauge? I'd be kind of scared holding that haha

@troubleinbound

3 жыл бұрын

@@eddydiaz2609 shhhhhh what they don't know won't hurt em

@thetankhunter100

3 жыл бұрын

The virgin duplet vs the chad bi gun.

@dankoproductions6475

3 жыл бұрын

@@eddydiaz2609 you can manufacture your own firearms without serialization! Just have to stay within the legal parameters for barrel/overall length and whatnot.

i've heard 4a games actually has a gunsmith on staff who designed the guns as real functioning versions prior to the 3d models and game versions being made.

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard that too, but best I can tell it's all hypothetical. no functioning versions have ever seen the light of day. Even the one i made isn't *truly* identical to the game.

@AceOfBlackjack

3 жыл бұрын

I can imagine that, just a hecking Ashen makes a good weapon.

@dan_loeb

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fairfax_kit yeah, I looked it up, it's not 100% true, what is true however is that one of the key people in the studio is both an engineer and a gun nut, so when they design guns, their mechanics have to be realistic and possible to design as a real gun.

@JohnSmith-xv2ob

3 жыл бұрын

@@dan_loeb That's fascinating. I'm a gun nut too and I noticed in Exodus how practical the designs are. I mean, sure, I'm not sure I'd use a flat spring as a recoil spring (as is the case with the Shambler), but the fact they designed it to look like it works logically is super impressive.

the designers put so much work into designing this makeshift machine gun and yet due to the game's power scaling most players will replace it with an AK first chance they get. then in exodus they switched the ammo type to handgun bullets meaning you couldn't carry as much reserve ammo, compared to the kalash and Bulldog's rifle rounds, which for an SMG just means you can't use it properly

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, all the effort into making such a unique gun goes pretty much unrecognized in terms of game development. first time i saw a bastard gun, My first thought was, 'That's insane, how could something like that ever work?" It got me thinking, and it left an impression on me, so I guess the designers did their job right.

@UgandanAirForce

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fairfax_kit the Shambler shotgun is what really blew my mind, i would use it until the end of the game along with the bastard gun

@fallingupstairs6816

3 жыл бұрын

I think that's the point (for 2033 and LL). It's worse than pre-war guns because it was desperately cobbled together in a post-apocalypse. It shows how much was destroyed in the war.

@Gameprojordan

3 жыл бұрын

I don't mind tbh. It's not supposed to be some ultra good gun, it's just a gun cobbled together with whatever spare parts were around, just because it looks unique and has an unorthodox feeding mechanism doesn't mean much, that could have just been a necessity to make the mechanism that way with whatever spare parts they had available since even something like a simple open bolt gun would require atleast a lathe to mill the bolt out of, and I find it hard to believe solid ingots of metal and lathes are abundant in a city metro. Just because it isn't in the spotlight doesn't mean it's worthless. It's meant to be the workhorse for the average metro dweller: nothing special but gets the job done, and is available everywhere for cheap, but whenever a better alternative is available you should replace it ASAP as a pre war factory made gun like the Kakash will always be more rugged and reliable, which makes sense in a real world aspect. Anyone would choose an AK over some jury rigged semi reliable handmade gun

I found this really interesting. The filming was fine.

Dude don’t feel bad for the quality. This is really damn cool!

The magazine well moving up and down is related to feeding, not locking. It's doing so because the magazine/feed-strip has 2 rows of cartridges, and it needs to go downward to feed from the upper row. I'm not sure the Bastard has a locked breech at all, and it might not need one if the ammunition in universe is as underpowered as it seems.

@wesleygetsinger1859

3 жыл бұрын

The ammo is 5.45x45 which like 5.56 I think

@garretth.middleton9479

3 жыл бұрын

@@wesleygetsinger1859 5.45x39mm is what you meant, and the load it fires is typically a lighter bullet moving at a slower pace than a 5.56x45mm round(what we use in the West), but it's effective enough and was designed for the same purpose: lighter weight and lower recoil so troops could carry more ammo and expend it more quickly while keeping the same relative logistical longevity. More rounds downrange equals a higher probability to hit, and a hit that wounds(and leaves pretty nasty wounds, at that) is nearly as likely to take someone out of the fight as a hit that kills, so intermediate rifle cartridges like 5.45x39 and 5.56x45 have become standard over full power(high recoil and weight) rifle cartridges like .308/7.62x51mm or 7.62x54mmR. I think the "underpowered" nature of the cartridge in-game is just a balancing design choice by the developers, but it makes some narrative sense given the two tiers of ammo that you can find(at least in the first game, which is the only one I've played).

@angquangnguyenthac2833

3 жыл бұрын

@@wesleygetsinger1859 I thought that it was sth more in the line of 7.62x25mm (Tokarev rounds) seeing that the stick mag is actually pretty thin for a 5.45x39mm?

You should totally make a closed bolt functional version

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

I'd most likely do it in a pistol caliber if I did. Delayed blowback is feasible on paper, but I don't fully trust the design to be safe.

@jesseroberts8849

3 жыл бұрын

9mm mak would be a good canidate

Personally it makes more sense to assume that it's just either open bolt or blowback operated on a closed breech, but I forgot it fired 5.45, the oscillating mag as well may just be a way to align the cartridges to the chamber, Impressive work!

Some really good stuff, great progress!😀

Great mechanism! I've been thinking a lot about Bastard Gun with working mag slide, thank you for showing how it works!

Interesting and in depth for the time of the video. No worries on the camera work

Man, this is awesome. Know this is an old video, but would really love to see a functioning model!

if u ever want to make it functional maybe it would be better if u put rollers under the magwel so delaying surface would last atleast twice as longer u have to change the angle then but its worth for the trade off

This is awesome dude!

Looks like you reached into the screen and yanked the gun straight out. Masterful work with the details.

@Fairfax_kit

Жыл бұрын

I do appreciate that.

that's really cool work

i know a lot of airsofters who would kill to have this made

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

An airsoft version would be even easier to build than this version.

I always thought the bastard gun in game was cool hut at I dropped it for the AK, it served me well, plus it had an awesome iron sight so I saved quite a bit of cash when I purchased the barrel shroud.

Ive always kinda liked the bastard gun, it really fits the the underground feeling of the metros.

That fucking trigger oh my god, its just like a ppsh where a piece of metal just moves to let the bolt fly, beautiful

Cool replica, well done!!

A Hotchkiss type feed system with an elevating magwell in double feed strips is....challenging to say the least. Closest you could get to something sorta-kinda-maybe close would be a STEN gun with a windowed\skeletonized magazine for aesthetics. Thought about doing something like that with a MK.III kit while they're still cheap.

looks awesome

The madlad really went and did it..

first time seeing a person making the guns from the games

I’d definitely buy one of these from you

"Hello and welcome to Forgotten Weapons dot com, I'm Ian, and we're here today at Market Station taking a look at some of the guns they have available for sale today..."

I don’t care how you hold your phone You did a great job analyze the gun that is the thing

How it ejects, when catridges are supported by small triangles from behind in clip.

Do you know what I think it is ? It's deep rifling blowback, half the pressure is venting through the deep grooves.

Grils: he probably cheating on me Boys:

I love how the title insinuates that the gun actually works cuz we all know that piece of thrash is more succesfull as a melee weapon then it is ranged

This is legitimately my Favorite Gun of the Metro Series. Especially suppressed and with Irons. (except for Exodus, where it was using pistol rounds) The only Things i would like to change about it, is to let it have a higher quality Mag that's inserted vertically. I am really surprised nobody actually bothered to make a legitimate and working bastard Pistol in real life.

It looks amazing but God those welds hurt me

Sooooo cool you should make one that fires

I like the Bastard. But I always Switch for the 74M.

@commanderbeepo8066

3 жыл бұрын

I mean the 74M is the best AK though I do love the look of the afgan era 74s

@trooperodst6880

3 жыл бұрын

@@commanderbeepo8066 Yup me too. Have on myself pretty neat rifle. Really love the look of it. Not real just a replica. I wish had more of them.

@commanderbeepo8066

3 жыл бұрын

@@trooperodst6880 I'm strapped like a mf seatbelt. I love my revolvers but I'd kill for a sweet 74M. Govt sucks ass

@trooperodst6880

3 жыл бұрын

@@commanderbeepo8066 Yeah man pretty much! It looks great. I really like the AK100 Series too. AK103 105 102...

Will keep an eye on the channel in the event that you make some functional replicas, as I heard you mention. I reckon a lower power pistol cartridge would likely be whats seen within the game if it cared too much about ammo beyond "poopy ammo vs military grade ammo". it seems like it serves the role of a sub gun.

@clothar23

3 жыл бұрын

Well both the MGR and the bog standard ammo are dimensionally the same 5.45x39 mm . The same round the real life AK-74 and many other Russian rifles afterwards were chambered in. And considering the Bastard in game can fire MGR which in game lore is pre war made ammo..Well chambering a real life Bastard in a lower powered cartridge simply for the sake of ease seems like cheating. Afterall if some illiterate post apocalyptic Russian gunsmith can create a carbine out of metro scrap that can handle rifle caliber pressure..Ain't no reason a present day gunsmith with full access to machinery , tools, and supplies can't do the same.

1:21 quarantine made me do this

I would love to get all the right paperwork and learn to manufacture one of those bad boys myself.

The ATF wants to know your location

Very good! Now do the Railgun.

I wonder if it’s possible to make a working Tikhar, there are those guns that get enough energy to shoot a pellet strong enough to end birds from just getting snapped open but I don’t know if it’s possible to keep the energy in full auto.

I'm still "confused on how the clip ( yes these would be clips or feed strips there's no spring in them) would work in such a small frame there's not a lot of space to add an arm of any kind to make it move right through the receiver let alone lock in place when not firing

Love to see this in 762x25

Now I kinda curious how ATF would reacting to this

@thedogisaneldritchgod491

3 жыл бұрын

they won't feel shit because it's a prop, not a real gun.

Just imagine realoading it ahh the pain

Wasnt the exodus one in a pistol caliber would be awesome to see it work

Forgotten Weapon should do a review on this.

You need to get with Mark Surbu he'll make a working model...

Metro Flashbacks

Far nicer looking than the FO4 pipe guns

games: pretty cool atf: Yeah really cool...

could you theoretically make a halo SMG from the P90 but make it smaller for the 9mm cartridge?

@anoncaesar9367

3 жыл бұрын

the halo smg might as well be a p90, the classic versions just have the mag on the side, and the new Halo smg is just a p90 with a custom body

Big cool

It would be really cool if you made some gunsmithing videos on real firearms

How the bastard gun works: it can't

Ah yes, Metro has a new weapon

The lower the quality, the more realistic it is.

I'm really impressed, now we just need a nuke

I always wondered how it gets a bullet into the chamber. Be nice if we had theories on that as well

@TheZebinator

3 жыл бұрын

My thought is that the bolt face should actually stick forward enough to meet the chamber, so it would actually go through the "magazine". For it to be able to go far enough back to pick up a cartridge the reciever should be longer on the back side however, very weird design as it also doesn't really have anywhere to eject spent cartridges but if you really wanted to you probably could make something like this work

@CountSpartula

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheZebinator thing is that means the bolt couldn't be any wider in diameter than the base of a 5.45 cartridge, or whichever caliber its built for at the time. That means the bolt would be hilariously weak and all the locking surfaces would be completely insufficient to handle even a putloaded round.

@TheZebinator

3 жыл бұрын

@@CountSpartula This is where the fact that the magasine in the game is double stack comes in, so you have approx. 1,5x the diameter of the cartridge base to work with as the magasine already has to be that wide. Now do I think this is a good design? Hell no but it looks kinda cool ngl

@TheZebinator

3 жыл бұрын

If you actually wanted to make a gun like this function you'd need to have the barrel offset to the magazine, much like a belt fed has the belt above (sometimes below) the barrel in height

@CountSpartula

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheZebinator Honestly a belt feed would be a perfect way to feed the gun and still keep its various...quirks that we love it for. And on the magazine, again the bolt would have to be at most the diameter of the base of the cartridge because despite it being a double stack magazine, the rounds are still tightly packed together as they should be so it still runs into the problem of slamming into multiple cartridges if its any bigger and inducing at best a double feed and at worse magazine and cartridge deformation.

Why does this thing look like it whould make Brandon Herrara very sad?

But does the selector lever pop off if you fiddle with it too much?

@mid1429

3 жыл бұрын

It may not even have one

Nice

Live fire test whenever you decide to make it hot, plz

The delay blowback of the firsts Thompson submachineguns just work like simple blowback take a look to the forgotten weapons chanel video

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

they're delayed blowback be definition, regardless at how effective the delaying mechanism is. They didn't become straight blowback until the M1A1 thompson in ww2.

Wanting to make a real one. But 20 years is a steep price for a cool toy.

Question to someone who knows, do you think a tilting barrel, 1911/Glock style mechanism would work with an intermediate cartridge?

@thephoton5019

3 жыл бұрын

Probably not, I'm not an expert but I feel with those types of pressures you need more lock up than that system can provide.

When you are the gunsmith but also video games nerd

I always asked myself why they build something so complicated if they could just build a basic sten

Algorithm just blessed me with this

What about a Sten but with 223. Or 5.56 barrel?

@laddicusprime1037

3 жыл бұрын

Depends how badly you want to lose some digits

@EzraeL91

3 жыл бұрын

Intermediate caliber ammo like the 556 generate a pressure that is too high for a blowback gun like the Sten.

@wxl2562

3 жыл бұрын

@@EzraeL91 in other words, sten would go boom

How does the magazine / feed strip advance through the magwell?

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

rotary sprocket like a Hotchkiss.

@JohnT-__

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fairfax_kit The way that piece on the bolt rides under the magazine, I wonder if a Z-column cut reminiscent of a Webley would work to move it left to right more precisely in lockup over sprockets.

Please make the beltfed shotgun from metro last light

What are the dimensions?

I’ll give you extra points if you can make it jam every 4 shots like in exodus.

I'm ignorant on the subject of making firearms but how do you feel about the pipe guns in Fallout 4? I gotta say I really think they just cared about looks and not about making them look feasible at all, even some of the normal guns look weird.

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

Some of the pipe guns could be doable IMO, but its a video game. Like metro, the look is more important than real life functionality.

It's just a piece of sheetmetal....thats what they said about the AK....LOL.

Wonder where i could start with making an airsoft gun of this

What i really did not get from game model and cant see on this replica is how feed system suposed to function. Belt fed open bolt SMG with moving magazine acting as belt is very weird concept. Not saying its impossible, just check Лютый-Афанасьев-Дейкин SMG ("LAD") from WW2 era, but it does look pointless. Such system wasting too much energy and very complicated. Impressive looking prop!

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I want to fucking buy it now

Now make it shoot live ammo

and there is a template or drawing

do you plan to create the lolife?

@yeetyateyote5570

3 жыл бұрын

Lolife gang rise up That thing slaps hard in Last Light

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

At some point, yes, actually. It's a really cool design

@yeetyateyote5570

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fairfax_kit pog as hell cus it 100% is

@adrewx_x25

3 жыл бұрын

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Как работает? Нормально работает! 👍

dude you need ti get an SOT license

Does it fire? Can you show it firing?

@ivannegrozny5388

2 жыл бұрын

Bro it don't feed, it doesn't even have a real bolt, and that moving magwell probably makes it impossible to design a bolt that's able to push a cartridge through the en-bloc

@ArmyHumveeLaat

2 жыл бұрын

@@ivannegrozny5388 well, a good engineer can do it

@ivannegrozny5388

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArmyHumveeLaat Thats true, but still, it wouldn't be what you expct from a homemade rifle, given that there are submachine guns in which the bolt is just a hunk of steel with maybe two moving parts, and this thing would probably require an arduino to function like that.

AK pistol grip

@fajile5109

3 жыл бұрын

Its the plastic one too

Ok but how does it chamber. All you really explained was how the mag well can move up and down, but how does the bolt strip a cartridge and then feed it into the chamber?

@seaweeb2258

3 жыл бұрын

He said it was a prop on multiple occasions.

@johnsig7100

3 жыл бұрын

@@seaweeb2258 Yes and the prop was made as a way of imagining how the feed system could be done. I am asking for more detail on how he figures the system works, I am fully aware of the fact its a prop

@Fairfax_kit

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnsig7100 Look at the bolt on a Thompson Submachine gun. The bolt face is a long, thin protrusion that extends far beyond the mass of the bolt body,. that's how I imagine it'd look. I simply didn't build it like that for the sake of simplicity.

@johnsig7100

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fairfax_kit I understood that. Some of the surfaces in there did remind me of the blish system. So yeah a blish lock (despite not working) could be how it would lock. But then think. In that short receiver you need the bolt to have enough throw to pull that case behind the mag/clip it feeds from to eject. I can't wrap my head around it with the size of the weapon and all. You'd need a long ass receiver to do it. Then again it's a fictional weapon so eh. Would look awesome in game and irl if it fed from ak74 mags

The guns that makes me confused : That one semi auto shotgun that has 6 shells. That one ray gun thingy that shoots steel balls. Cheap and Ol' Unreliable Bastard Gun. That one Shotgun with Bicycle parts. I played metro a ton after the Epic Games made it free for a day or to buy. So I played Both games as well. And the Og Metro 2033 has a Knife slot as well?????

@clothar23

3 жыл бұрын

Well the shambler is clearly a single shot shotgun with a rotary external ammunition holder and feed mechanism. How it's maintaining spring pressure on said rotary mechanism is anyone's guess. The Volt Driver is simple . It's a rail gun , a weapon using two opposing charged rails with conductive ammunition to bridge said opposing charged rails. The rails however are set up in a relatively up position compared to the ammunition which is going relatively sideways compared to the rails. The only hard part is understanding how the gunsmiths of the Metro developed a power system for it that is both powerful enough to make the thing lethal and man portable . As real life examples of man portable rail guns have less punch than a airsoft gun and are the size and weight of anti material rifles. The bicycle gun is beyond me but I have seen some ghetto ass designs fire live ammo so I can't discount it. The Bastard gun itself is a crude sten gun. Which is actually quite the accomplishment considering the Sten isn't exactly all that fancy to begin with. Also that poor bolt having to bounce up and down because of the double stacked horizontally fed magazine.

@angquangnguyenthac2833

3 жыл бұрын

The Shambled is obviously taken inspiration from the Cobray Striker, so it probably works the same. The steel balls firing gun is probably a modified airsoft gun with more pressure. Bastard gun is here The double barrel shotgun actually confused me since why the hell don't they just used side by side breach opening? It would actually be way the fuck more simple that way.

I'd prefer a bigun.

I don't like the newer Exodus version. It looks weird and I don't think it would function in real life. The magazine sits too low under the barrel and I can't imagine a mechanism that would be needed to feed the rounds into the chamber.

kzread.info/dash/bejne/n6iT2a2nmsmunbw.html Watch this video, you can see the mag moves once per bullet cycle, its for round placement (as if it has no feed lips) furthermore, looks like a closed breech, direct blowback from the footage. idk how we'd do this but I've got a hankerin to boot up Inventor and figure something out

@ivannegrozny5388

2 жыл бұрын

I think if the cartridge is aligned with the chamber, it would be impossible to feed. But maybe it would work if the en-bloc only moved left to right, and the bolt pushed the cartridges onto a feed ramp which would then let it slide into the chamber? Correct me if I'm wrong

Bastard is not smg, it is a assault rifle like ak , and shoot 5.45

Not to insult your work, this is actually impressive, but there's a reason every major combatant switched to a simplified blowback SMG: they're relatively easy to make and hard to fuck up. Australia's SMG was literally designed by a dude in a shack. Now, the magazine is a whole other story.

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