This is such a great video for several reasons: It's practical application of "The horse you have today" and "Work where you want" principles. Also a bit of your other principles, if I'm remembering them correctly. Seeing this work so effectively out in the field is dramatic. My takeaways in viewing this are, as you stated: It's more time-effective to avoid the wreck in the first place; don't take the judgemental eyes of onlookers personally (they're not the ones in the saddle); and don't take a punitive posture when "working" the horse where it wants to go. I think I remember that point being part of the "Don't go to bed angry" principle. Regarding the gauchos on the fence, I remember Ray Hunt talking about how cowboys would look at his process with skepticism in those early years. I'll bet if you go back to Argentina in five years some of those same gauchos will be applying that same principle. It also occurs to me that what you've demonstrated here could be applied by an intermediate rider who is visiting a dude ranch. You don't have to be a trainer or dedicated rider to benefit from "The Principles of Training," which incidentally is a very readable and informative book.

@DeputyRogers

2 ай бұрын

Your takeaways are powerful observations. Thank you.

@WarwickSchiller

2 ай бұрын

thank you sir!

The "Make the Wrong thing Hard and the Right thing Easy" principle comes to my mind watching that as well!

Brilliant! Change one thing at a time. Give the horse his head but keep them moving; let it get tired of the place it thought it wanted to be. Then it goes on a loose rein. Brilliant! So non confrontational. Thank you.

This is fascinating, Warwick! Being able to work with what you've got and build an understanding, that's finesse. I was always amazed at the exercise riders at a race track who managed to get these half-trained hyped up horses from point A to B, around the track, and back again, without conflict. It was actually artful. Thanks for sharing this footage and your thought process! See you in April at the Minnesota Horse Expo 2024!

I am loving every second of hearing about your Gaucho Derby adventures, Warwick! I listened to your podcast yesterday and might listen again as there is so much there. Thank you!

@OriginalEllie777

2 ай бұрын

Same 👍🏼

Excellent pointers from an exhilarating life experience. This is a great demonstration. Thank you for sharing this.

You're my favorite trainer Warwick. I learn more from you than anyone. Please keep posting. Thank you.

I'm so excited to see you do this!! I'm fascinated by criollos and have been curious as to their temperments and the horsemanship over there. Great tips and info 👌

What a great moment to share where you have zero information about the animals/training/situation and you have to make do with what you are given. I could see SEVERAL riders getting frustrated and not accomplishing anything other than just hanging onto the horse and getting by with force. Thanks for demonstrating having the patience to walk it out even when there's only moments to work with.

Warwick ..... thank you!! Bloody brilliant, empathetic, transformative, epic, truth, beauty, power thru earth wisdom grounding & knowledge, vulnerability & truth, & love & grounding, & awesomeness !!!! Profound learnings I apply daily with my stallion :), with support & grounding from you & other kicksass soul mindedd on this humble journey :) See you again (with much gratitude & love) at your ranch for Journey On Summit 24 🥰

@WarwickSchiller

2 ай бұрын

Im looking forward to it

so glad to see the horses all looked in good shape and plenty of green hay available

I know it takes tens of thousands of hours of observation to be able to see what you see when you look at horses - specifically in this case that some of the horses had separation anxiety which caused them to rear when riders took them away from their herdmates . I just want to be that knowledgeable magically :)

I loved your caption about the Gauchos asking what the hell you were doing. Really enjoyed your podcast on the Derby and even better seeing these horses look pretty good. Hearing all their behaviors had me feeling pretty bad for them.

Thanks for sharing, looking forward to hearing more about this race from you and Kansas. It’s cool picture you two out there together, what an epic mash up. I aspire to do this race one day in the future so all the go pro footage is rad.

@WarwickSchiller

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Alex

Ooh, I was hoping for the horsemanshippie side of things! Thanks Warwick! It would be cool with a podcast about this! ( Even though I know, the podcast is not about horses. ;) This hits more close to home, with my daughter riding different school- or lease horses. Good stuff mate! Greetings from Norway.

Brilliant illustration of using those principles of training.🙂

I listened to the Podcast episode and I realized right away that the rule-breaking go with the flow requirement was what you needed. ;-)

Love the Ray Hunt observation, work with horse's nature

Love Ray Hunt's rule! I use the same thing with dogs. Makes so much sense. Wonderful video, Warwick. (lost the audio toward the end.)

Sometimes it really doesn't take much other than to take the time. This is something that could be applied in many situations. I've seen horses like that at various facilities (the separation anxiety).

Thank you! This is a great demonstration of putting your principles into practise on horses you don't know, and I feel like I visited someplace new today. That was fun!

So many nuggets of useful information in here and thanks for sharing your experience in this challenge. I’m sorry there are some many disrespectful people in the comments… maybe they should go do one of these so they can get some perspective on how challenging it is and how wonderful the cultural experience is of doing something in another country that has been an ancient custom… they won’t though. They’ll just stay armchair jockeys and wag their fingers.

Look, it's likely these horses have not been treated well, so of course they'll have issues. Some of the methods Gauchos use to tame and ride horses are very brutal. They will get on an unhandled horse and dig in spurs, while whipping it repeatedly, as it is bucking. Is there any wonder these horses often have no love for humans on their backs?

@WarwickSchiller

2 ай бұрын

That is a sport they do, but none of these horses have been ridden with spurs, the gaucho's on the ranches don't ride in spurs, they actually ride in something that looks like slippers

@kidstuff44555

2 ай бұрын

@@WarwickSchiller Well that is good to hear. There are good in bad in all forms of horse sport, in all countries. Glad these horses were treated ok

@sugakent4052

2 ай бұрын

True horseman! 👌

@stephridestheworld

2 ай бұрын

@kidstuff44555: Hi there, allow me to chime in. ;) I was one of the participants in the race, so I hope it's okay to.give my perspective. I find your comment somewhat generalizing. I am still in Argentina/Chile riding local horses and watch gauchos train their young and performance horses. While rodeo sports exist just like in other parts, like Warwick said, that is not how "normal" riders train their horses here, either. While I wouldn't adopt everything 1:1 either, here are my 2 cents: 1) In most of the developed world (North America, Europe, other wealthy parts), recreational riders in midlife make up the largest chunk of the equestrian infrasteucture. They ride for leisure, joy, and a reprieve from stressful life. That is very different here. Unless you are fairly wealthy, regular recreational riding isn't a thing. You either work with horses at an estancia or play polo ($$$). So of course a 20something athletic dude that grows up on a farm and uses horses for work will focus more on energy, groundcovering gaits and speed, while someone in their midlife would expect their horses to be calm, patient and relaxed. Regardless of how you evaluate those approaches personally, it's a very real difference in perspective. 2) As Warwick mentioned, not all but some of those rearing/bucking accidents happened because people tried to subdue the horses energy/forward drive, until he had nowhere left to go but up. And that isn't even a judgement, it's an instinctive thing for most people to pull back when the horse gets frantic. And yes, some of these horses were very electric. But they are used to always be able to move. In fact, when they get twinkle toes, the gauchos will push them forward even more which is partly to do with what they want in a horse, and partly based in cultural bravado which celebrates courageous daredevils. Btw, I am also not a daredevil. 😅 So while we can all make decisions about what we think does or doesn't work for us, our horses and our riding, I think events like the Gaucho Derby and the publicity they garner are a great opportunity to widen our horizon and at the same time examine, rather than the new thing/method, our own reactions and judgements to it, and why we may have them. Happy trails 🍀

@MightyMoran

2 ай бұрын

When a new horse bolts, I kick them to go faster. It changes the horses control to the rider. I'm glad I watched this as I rarely have dealt with a horse that rears, and rather than fighting the horse, I will know to go with it. While she didn't rear, the first time I got on an unbroke 8 yo, I asked her to stand a second when she stepped forward. She started backing around the corral as fast as she could. I stepped off onto the railing just as she went down. I now go with the horse the 1st couple of times they are ever ridden. It is so much safer!

Hello Warwick, Many thanks very interesting, great horsemanship, appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience with some of these rank horses, Regards KPP nz

I listened to your Journey On Podcast about this tonight as I drove back and forth to another town. I am happy to be able to see what you talked about on the pod. Thank you so much for sharing your trip with us and your spiritual journey. That journey, like horsemanship is never ending.

Really good video Warrick. It really does demonstrate the Ray Hunt saying. This will help me and many others with horses that may not be ridden every day and get herd bound leaving the paddock. It is better to kid them along a bit and go their way to change the mindset so you end up going together. Much more dignified in the end. 🙂

Hi @Warwick Schiller. I am currently 3/4 of the way through the latest podcast of this "journey"" with you It has been an emotional roller coaster for me since a mere 2-3 minute in. !!

0:48 You like to come to Chile in November . Horsetraining and more....

Dont want to sound arragant, exactly what i do. Learnt bhs, vet trained, then sat i a field 6 weeks each year letting horses teach me, just by watching remembering copying the herd instincts, NO PATTING STARING AT EYES, TALKING EG GUUUD BOYYY SLAPPING ON NECK, THE SO CALLED PAT, HOW IS ANGEL REY, I MY HEART I DREAM OF REY XX BEST HORSE EVER, AND DEAF. BUG HUGGS TO DEAF RAY, BEYOND STUNNING XXXXX

Choose where you work and where you rest.

slow and easy takes less time than cleaning up wrecks. cows taught me that one.

I would have seperation anxiety if i was a horse raised in cougar country with all the excitement of race day lol

That was great. And the Gaucho Cappy/beret suits you!

Great vid tyvm A fun trip!

Thank you for sharing!

Thank you so much for sharing!

Thanks for sharing your great experience!

Smart!🐴

This makes my heart happy ❤

Thank you for this great video.

It sounds amazing, I look forward to hearing your podcast about it! All these riders should read “the principles of training “ and put it into practice. Your knowledge and understanding of horses is invaluable ❤ Ps great demo at the Horsemanship Showcase, just sorry I didn’t get to say hi !

What a cool experience, Patagonia is on my bucket list!

Wow, you lost a lot of weight on that trip! PS you were the one I checked on every day!

I see you have posted and I cant wait! Funny, because I am not a rider, am frightened of horses, am too old to begin but I am an Aussie too, and I have learnt heaps from you about horses and riders.My late horse whisperer father would have a little grin on his face if he was here...he never let me have a horse but I love them anyway. What an experience but who roached that horse's mane?Sweeney Todd, the barber of Fleet Street? I worry these horses are treated pretty rough.

CLEVER !

Interesting saddle with center fire rigging.

so you are making it harder to stay and easier to go away, right?

@grenade8572

2 ай бұрын

Yes. He is going back and forth where the horse wants to stay, so this place becomes quite uncomfortable. When the horse walks off, he just let him go withoit asking anything.

@WarwickSchiller

2 ай бұрын

Im just offering choices.

@MarieChardome

2 ай бұрын

thank you. feel free to come to new zealand: show the humans who want to open their mind to the horses they live with, what you have learnt.

Did you get a chance to play any polo while you were in Argentina?

Is that just herd bound or also just lack of training? Since a lot of riders experienced the same behavior and the gauchos didn't seem to know there was a different option it makes me wonder if the horses were either inexperienced with riding or too experienced at getting tourists off their backs.

That’s great, I’ve been doing this with the mare I’m riding. Sure looks like it was time well spent.

This works well if you can keep the horse moving, what if your already out or in an arena and the horse locks up. Normally, I'd out smart the horse and ride them out. My youngest is really too smart she was easy to train to voice commands on the lounge line, she figured out how to slip her bridle with a few flips of her head when I put the rope through the bit up over head and attached to the otherside of the bit. Almost too bomb proofed she doesn't always respond to the whip. Will stand in a building eating or outside just watching large above the tree-tops fireworks going off three different sides of her field. horse is flexible enough limber neck, too. She will rear almost completely virtical hold it, then she'll go into a buck over your head which is what gets almost everyone when she did it when she was younger it was like riding a floating horse. Now she's completely developed and the force is real. She's half Lusitano and half American Paint, I've never had such an athletic loyal horse. She'll do better for other people if I'm not visible to her. I really want to put her smarts to better use.

Sorry BIG HUGS TO REY XXXXX

Great advice. Sadly, some of these these horses are not fully trained to he quiet and move out. They aren't adequately trained. I rode mongolian horses long distances. They were much better trained...but they were ridden in groups. They were happy to go with their herd.

I’m curious, was it the pen or special friends in the pen that resulted in that first horse to rear and leave the rider behind? I would have thought that he’d/she’d be okay to go with another horse Also I was thinking that I hope future Gaucho riders watch this and take the time you took… new series perhaps 😊

Those were some lucky 7 horses!

These horses are treated brutal and far away from every kinder method. So why riding these horses for a "fun" race? Are principles only guilty for owned or client horses?

@horsymandias-ur

2 ай бұрын

I don’t understand. How do you mean?

The true difference is, are you treating the horse like a motorcycle or like a living animal? Introduce yourself to the horse. It doesn’t matter what exactly you are doing, but don’t jump on and try to go away from the herd. The horse doesn’t know you.

SHOULD BE ILLEGAL

@lisaharmon8401

2 ай бұрын

What should be?

Abusive to horses

With all the respect, but you did nothing that you said at the begining. All you did is make hard his decision to stay by the gate by making him work.

@grenade8572

2 ай бұрын

I think he does. The horse wants to go to the gate? Ok, Warwick gors with him. When the horse is at the gate, Warwick makes him go with him. But not too far: he goes quickly back where the horse wants to go. And then, when the horse is ready to go domewhere else, they go together. But yes, there is too the "makes the wrong thing hard and the good thing easy" stuff.

@D4aniB

2 ай бұрын

@@grenade8572 Exactly. I think, today we are affraid to call things like they should be called. You want to go to the gate? Ok, but you have to work. That’s is punishment. Nowadays, it’s not fancy say the word punishment, instead, you have to use “go with him, respect their feelings, etc.” I’m not saying we have to go back to old western days, but i think this positive stuff is going to far.

@Frecklesfiend

2 ай бұрын

Punishment is in the energy you give it .. just quietly riding around basically, is Not punishment . Riding by kicking , wacking, angry voice , angry thoughts , IS Punishment.

@WarwickSchiller

2 ай бұрын

@@D4aniB Are you punishing your horse when you steer him to the left? Or the right? No, and I wasn't punishing the horse either. i was just steering him to the left and to the right. If you think this exercise is a punishment, that energy will come out of you in the doing of it, your hands will be rough and your energy angry. I was not punishing him, I was just saying lets turn to the left, and now the right. It's all about the energy you carry with you.

@volancydogs

2 ай бұрын

​@@grenade8572 No, positive reinforcement is *adding* something to *reinforce* (increase the frequency of) a behaviour, such as a treat or praise. Positive punishment is *adding* something to *punish* (decrease the frequency of) a behaviour, such as scolding or smacking. "Positive" in behaviour just means adding something. Reinforcement just means increasing and punishment just means decreasing. It really has nothing to do with emotions at the end of the day. You can be perfectly calm and neutral delivering either form of stimulus, it's just that with social animals certain emotions can be reinforcing or punishing in and of themselves.

Don't EMPHASIZE that the problems with these horses is their behavior. The horses are reacting to something, possibly: rider whose weight is too heavy for the horse to carry, they are in pain somewhere in their body, having been used repeatedly over rough terrain. EDUCATE YOURSELF, and give use a new KZread video on what you've learned, and telling viewers the good things about the horses.

@jdoveyk9422

2 ай бұрын

Pretty bossy Susan… you must be an expert… pain in the rear. 😂

@Rammgirl

2 ай бұрын

I think you need to cut the internet line off to your devices and go for a walk.