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@michaelwhite2823

Жыл бұрын

I already inherited art. I have my uncle's pristine original Charlie's Angels posters rolled up in a closet.

@mrtoad5334

Жыл бұрын

I love your videos but Masterworks feels like a scam.

@derekllewellyn6663

Жыл бұрын

@@mrtoad5334 it's looks like new horizons queen Mary ship has been having happy Halloween costume party conjuring universe New same thing happened haunted years 1936 years before saying that on using universal studios hollywood and queen Mary ship same thing

@toldyouso5588

Жыл бұрын

Expected, after all they did behead poor Mary rather horribly.

@derekllewellyn6663

Жыл бұрын

@@mrtoad5334 Ed and Lorraine Warren exsersom before on queen Mary ship before

Let's be real, the way to save the Queen Mary is to make every part of it you can as period accurate as possible. Make all of the cabins exact mimics of first class back in the day, have daily menus that are all inclusive, have the staff wear period accurate costumes and sell the ship as a nostalgic experience.

@NashmanNash

Жыл бұрын

The way to save her is to give her back to the british...If she remains in the US those buffoons will just USS Texas her..or worse

@DavidWilliams-so2dy

Жыл бұрын

You should contact the Long Beach Chamber of Commerce with your vision. I bet nobody ever thought of that.🙄

@the4tierbridge

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidWilliams-so2dy Long Beach is not the brightest place lol 😅

@runlarryrun77

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that's the intention. However if you mean to literally refit "every part" of the ship correct to period or as close as possible then the cost would almost certainly be prohibitive. Best thing that could be done here would be to secure the hull & superstructure so they're not going to collapse, then build a framework with girders inside. Gut out what's not needed as the framework is constructed, & use that framework to secure parts of the ship to be preserved, then work on making them the period experience you mention. Although she's smaller than the Queen Mary this is what was done with the SS Great Britain, now in dry dock at Bristol after having been beached & left to rot for many years in the Falkland Islands. If you're unfamiliar with the story of her recovery & reconstruction it's a story well worth looking into.

@randomrazr

Жыл бұрын

a good chunk of the original interior swere gutted. sad to say. peoplesay the rms olympic should have been saved but queen mary was prime exampleit wasnt. a ocean liner is a a MASSIVE expense

The fact that one of the *news reporters* referred to the _Queen Mary_ as a cruise ship tells me a lot about how the general public views history.

@DerpyPossum

Жыл бұрын

It’s %100 depressing.

@Cilla0415

Жыл бұрын

I mean, most people can only think of the Titanic and they marginally know the difference.

@nitricoxide5899

Жыл бұрын

Is it any surprise that they think the QM is "a cruise ship"? All these people know are party vessels that are as bland and overburdened with attractions, and can't comprehend that transatlantic air travel wasn't practical until the mid-'50s.

@Tsumami__

Жыл бұрын

Cruise ships are just the modern version of ocean liners. The people who get on them are no different or more frivolous than the imperialist second and first class passengers of the past.

@crazyguy_1233

Жыл бұрын

That really annoys me when people call ocean liners that.

My Grandfather (RIP) was fortunate to have been both on her maiden voyage as a (Steward) right till the last voyage, even got a special medal for it, he sadly he never visited her after she went to Long Beach but had many many fond memories, even my mother said she with her mother used to go to Southampton docks in the 50s/60s to meet him, she said the ship towered above everything to her, also when he was leaving for the next voyage she said she could hear the horns/whistles as the ship departed as they echoed across Southampton City for quite some distance and she then knew it was her father leaving for the next adventure on this Magnificent Lady, the only other lady in his life.

@computiNATEor

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, it's probably good that he never saw it in Long Beach. It would've been a disappointment

@timd4524

Жыл бұрын

I toured it in 74' and she still looked good.

@computiNATEor

Жыл бұрын

@@timd4524 It’s changed a bit for the worse in those 50 years.

@missionpassed4584

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker2321 he's at the beginning of the documentary called The Liners: Ships of Destiny - Episode 3: The Great Duel, talking about how you were like a pop star people trying to steal your buttons as he went through the crowd

@madisondean1074

Жыл бұрын

Your grandfather is so lucky to have sailed on this amazing ocean liner! Did your grandfather ever talk about the Queen Mary and his time while being on board her?

In my opinion she does not deserve to be turned into a haunted attraction that is just not how she was meant to be. She brought so many smiles to people in her 31 years at sea and now she is used as a tourist trap to tell the stories of people who died there which never happened.

@thurayya8905

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Sarah Winchester and the myth of the house didn't happen the way they market it, either, but the real story isn't as compelling as the PR lie.

It's incredible that we still have the Mary. In the vast sea of people that would exploit her (be it the scrappers or the KZreadrs looking to make clickbait videos), there were thankfully a few people who recognized her worth like the Rathers and the Long Beach committee who put together her winning bid. The ship is a star, it just needs a vision to be run successfully. I'm hopeful that it has a long future ahead.

Most KZread channels that do haunting videos over dramatize and make up sightings and event and don’t even get me started on the pathetic, photoshopped thumbnails. They do it for the clicks an views, not the actual investigation or research. They don’t do any justice to the ship. Sadly I feel the end is drawing near for the Mary unless someone throws a massive Hail Mary (No pun intended)

@zpacula

Жыл бұрын

Annoying thumbnails in the style of The Sun paper, while annoying, are actually quite useful. You can judge the whole channel by a single thumbnail and mark it as "do not recommend this channel" 🙂

@roadweary5252

Жыл бұрын

@@zpacula Did we just become best friends? 😂

@H.hipster

Жыл бұрын

You realize ghost don't exist right?

@eviehammond9509

Жыл бұрын

We live within an overly obsessed generation who will do just about anything for attention & higher view counts. The shit really hit the fan when people discovered doing something shocking and/or negative would expedite this process. Remember back in the day you had to be talented or awesome at something to earn the notoriety most people craved??? Implementation of the internet / social media has solved that problem, but also created several new ones all its own. Although getting internet fame has been simplified greatly, maintaining & growing it are much harder than most realize. I have found in life you can't miss something you never had to begin with, but to have something & have it taken away is a whole other story. The staying famous has many You Tubers pushing the their limits to the point of putting themselves, & at times others too at risk for serious injury or loss of life. All this so you can hopefully be recognized by total strangers & earn a living by making an ass out of yourself. 😀I must be officially "old" because I dont understand the benefit vs the risk!!😀(except for making an easy living that in most cases is very temporary at best)!!

@Tsumami__

Жыл бұрын

KZread channels that are doing “haunting” videos are directed towards children. Of course they’re not going to “do it for the research or investigation”. They’re channels run by teens that kids are watching. Past googling basic info little research is done for any topic for a ten to twenty minute KZread video that takes an hour to edit and upload. They’re not going to explain the history of the ship, those channels aren’t intended for that kind of thing. They’re geared for kids looking for particular videos on here, not middle aged adults interested in the actual ship itself.

I worked aboard the QM in high school. Just prior to Disney's purchase. Before the mouse took over, there was never a word about and 'hauntings' sightings, spooky feelings, etc., etc. Nothing. When Disney started in, one of the things we were all asked was about ghosts. Did we ever see this or that, of feel this way or that and where. Suddenly there was new literature and promotions speaking of the "hauntings". Even these days, i've spoken with current tourguides. When this conversation comes up they've, to a person, stated that, paraphrased... "...yeah we know its BS but thats the draw for crowds." All tht said, she 'haunts' my soul. I absolutely love the Queen. I even shipped with the merchant marine for 5 years just because of my experience aboard the Queen. God help us and Long Beach if we foolishly lose this physical connection to a bygone era that was so great in so many ways, where this proud ship stands as trophy of the heights we achieved then

@cherylk.2474

Жыл бұрын

I was a waitress in a restaurant called "The Capstan" on the Queen Mary in 1976, while I was atending CSULB. To get to the restaurant, I would walk through areas of the ship which had not yet been restored, I think the old ballroom might have been part of my walk. It was a bit creepy, only because it was dark and lonely, but there were a few rumors at that time. It was a big mistake to market the ship as a creep-fest, becaue there was so much about it that was beautiful.

I wasn't able to board her while I was in California last year, but the sheer majesty of seeing her was awe-inspiring. She truly is a great ship and I hope they can save her. I ran into a gentleman who spent a lot of time on her and he gave me the run-down of her history. It might be interesting to know that when they made the Queen Mary II that they took one of the horns off of the original Queen Mary for her and when the Queen Mary II stopped off in Long Beach, they saluted each other. I watched the KZread video of it and it was marvelous

In 2018 I spent two nights on the Queen Mary. It had been one of the things I had most wanted to do while visiting south California. I had an eerie experience in the middle of the night as I was woken by the sound of a music box playing. It felt comforting and not at all worrying. The visit didn't disappoint. Her staterooms were beautiful. We were so lucky to be invited in by a very kind woman who was staying in the Churchill suit. It was such an elegant and memorable suite. Much of the ship was a mess, but much was also gorgeous and nicely preserved. I did have the feeling that so much more could have been possible to make her a desirable destination and avoid the theme park default. Having said that we were there in October and the halloween fair was in full swing, however as we were there on a Friday night the lounge was completely packed until well after midnight and there were numerous wedding parties also staying there. All in all, I think there was much potential there. Thank you for the wonderful and for me nostalgic video! I'll definitely be watching this again.

Honestly traveling on the Queen Mary II is on my bucket list now. It’s awful that people have mistreated the history of the Queen Mary.

Thank you so much for this! I watched her sail into Long Beach in 67 and have since then toured her, attended school dances aboard her, celebrated birthdays there and stayed in her hotel rooms many times and even enjoyed a family wedding there just prior to her closing in 2020. I’m surprised carnival cruise lines doesn’t purchase her. Every time I take a carnival cruise out of Long Beach I’ve stayed aboard her a night or two prior then walk over to the terminal, makes perfect sense.

@wyster14

Жыл бұрын

The reason Carnival doesn’t purchase the ship is because the city would never sell it to a cruise line. Frankly after Norwegian’s gross mishandling of the France, nobody would ever trust a cruise line with a historic liner

@TheRavendearest

Жыл бұрын

@@wyster14 Very true, I traveled on the “Norway” a few times…those added decks, that awful blue color etc, but you could still get a glimpse of her former grandeur. I’d think though that Carnival, now that it owns Cunard, Silverseas, etc, would want to include the Queen Mary as the jewel of their port terminal there in Long Beach, restore her as a grand floating hotel where you would stay before and after your carnival cruise? At least in a perfect world that’s what I’d want happen.

@tessaducek5601

Жыл бұрын

My father watched her come into Long Beach. We use to wander all over that ship. I remember the red phone booths out front too. The different exhibits that came and went. Stayed in the hotel many times. I always thought the proceeds went to her up keep. Thankfully the city of Long Beach decided to do the repairs and not let it go. She is definitely worth saving.

My mom graduated high school in southern California, and her senior prom was held on the Queen Mary in the late 70s.

I am from the east coast of the US and was a Titanic/ocean liner/Poseidon Adventure fan growing up. I got the chance to visit Queen Mary for the first time in 2006 and it was the closest thing to a religious pilgrimage I have experienced in my life. I eventually moved to LA about ten years ago and have had the good fortune of visiting QM countless times until her closure in 2020. She was such a source of inspiration to me that I would always leave my visits feeling invigorated and recharged. Living in LA without being able to visit QM just isn’t the same. I don’t mean to come across like an overly obsessed lunatic but her continued closure has been a deep source of disappointment in my life. I try to be grateful for the experiences that I have had aboard her, and I try to remain hopeful that she will reopen and I will be able to visit her again. Thank you for making this thoughtful video!

@taramarielee2904

Жыл бұрын

I moved to LA just a few months after she closed and I’ll be SO incredibly disappointed if I never get to board her.

@markhooper1352

Жыл бұрын

I am an Australian ocean liner enthusiast and first learned that QM still existed in Long Beach back in the mid 70s, after reading an article in a magazine (no internet then). From that time as a young teenager, I yearned to visit the liner. When I could finally afford an air ticket to America in the mid 80s, I flew to LA and bee-lined it straight to Long Beach from LAX. As we approached the Queen on the expressway and I sighted her funnels in the distance, I literally cried. It still gives me goose-bumps remembering that experience. Boarding and check-in was a blur, as I was so excited as an early 20s lad having his dream come true. I entered my 'B' deck Port Side First Class stateroom and was in awe! I touched everything drinking her in. Knowing every passageway and public room from deck plans and brochures tattooed on my brain from years of planning and anticipation, I went straight to the Frist Class Dining Room on 'R' deck, entered and sat on the shiny parquetry floors. I gazed up at the map of the Atlantic and cried again like a baby. I was mesmerised and almost numb. This was the map of the Atlantic and the track of the ship that I had only seen in books and dreamed of seeing for so long. I stayed aboard absolutely brimming with excitement for three glorious nights. Since then, I have "pilgrimaged" from Australia to the Queen Mary many times, always staying aboard, right up until 2017. Whenever I board her, I feel I have returned "home". She is my address in LA when visiting the US. I know how you feel Garrison and would be devastated if I could no longer return "home".

@bounderchris

Жыл бұрын

It opened again 4 days ago

The Queen Mary is a gorgeous ship. I visited her in 1973. My grandparents, who were from London, used to travel back & forth on the Mary & the Elizabeth. I hope that she can be saved!

Excellent tale of how she ended up retired and transitioned through so many owners to get to the state she's in now. Maintaining a super-liner as a fixed attraction requires a lot of careful planning and big reinvestment into the maintenance and upkeep of the vessel. I think there's a cultural influence on how that plays out; some nations seemingly better at long-term preservation planning than others. At least, for now, she's still around so there's still hope.

I was there with my grandmother on the day they brought her in to this location. There were thousands of people along the dock, and hundreds of boats with her when she came in. I still remember so well when she finally came to a stop for the last time and blew her horns.

She is the last of the great ocean liners. I was just there tonight for the Shaq Halloween event. It would be a shame to lose her to neglect and mismanagement. I live in Long Beach and it’s always a pleasure to view her with a sense of awe and marvel at her size, classic look, her interior art-deco woodwork and craftsmanship that they just don’t do anymore. Long live the Queen.

@carwashadamcooper1538

9 ай бұрын

Queen Mary is not the last. The SS United States is sitting basically abandoned in Philadelphia. I see her every time I cross the bridge to New Jersey, and it hurts to know that she's falling to ruin.

The utter disrespect with these haunted tours on such a legendary liner...

Good perspective. Completely agree. You raise some important points. The ghost nonsense cheapens and detracts from the historical beauty of the ship.

Around 2002 I took a ghost tour of the Queen Mary and the tour guide was really spooky and funny and you could tell he was really having fun talking about the history of the ship and the paranormal occurrences. I also attended a New Years Eve party there. It was loads of fun. Good memories.

I don’t want to see the Queen Mary treated so badly. I love that ship. I was there in Feb 2020 and I’m so glad I got so see her. It was magical being on that ship! I can’t wait to go back

I stayed with my wife as part of our honeymoon tour of California for 1 night in late October 2016 and while the prices were premium the room, service and amenities were pretty average to poor, the highlight was the fine dining restaurant Sir Winston which was in fact excellent. We did have a little ghostly experience ourselves but although dark harbour was going on our cabin was (thankfully) on the other side of the ship so we didn’t get disturbed and we didn’t go to the event as that wasn’t the point of us staying. Fingers crossed that someone will finally start trying to market her as the historic treasure she is not just a glorified haunted house.

I went to a Beatles convention hosted across from the ship and I remember going through the galleries for hours, it's incredible in person and I really hope they're able to keep her afloat.

I stayed in the hotel in the mid 90’s (before the internet was widely used). I had no idea of the haunted reputation. It was the most creepy place I think that I’ve ever been. I stayed in a First Class stateroom with an attached mini-room with its own bathroom. I think it was originally two separate FC staterooms. My TV turned on/off several times. There was a Titanic exhibit on board. That upped the creepy factor 10 fold!

Man I’m so damn glad I stumbled across this channel. You’re too well put-together to be relegated to a cheap haunted attraction. Keep it up, young man, this old man surely appreciates your effort.

I really don’t want to lose the ship, I’m visiting California next year and I really don’t want to lose the chance to experience such a wonderful and well crafted ship that is still here after all this time. This ship also what got me to shame people who turned historical locations in to spooky theme parks. History is more about the ghosts of the past not of these parlor tricks.

@milumav

Жыл бұрын

I've visited just a few years ago, there were no parlor tricks, it was beautiful, it was like stepping back in time. The stories of the awful things that happened there are enough, no need for any tricks, (and they know that). To say that ghosts are why it got run down is a stretch (to say the least). It's on the ocean, anyone who has lived near the beach knows how corrosive that environment gets, it was just under lousy management, no need to blame it on ghosts. ( This guy also failed to mention the pandemic as being the main reason for its closure in March 2020.) It should be well maintained of course, but upgrading it into a luxury resort will price it out of the middle class' reach (which will inevitably lead to its closure, as most wealthy people would much rather spend their money on a modern day luxury liner that actually moves). If you get a chance you should definitely go see it, you won't regret it.

An excellent sentiment I've been echoing for years. They cannot market her as a 1st class destination & attraction while cutting back on maintenance and throwing out these cheap ghost gimmicks. People who come to visit the QM have seen pictures of her luxurious interiors in their glory days. That's what they want to see. I went on a tour and saw dimly lit, mostly empty spaces. I know most of her original furniture has been, sadly, lost or destroyed but if they could fill her public rooms and cabins with replica furniture and give more elaborate tours I think it would help the ship immensely.

The Queen Mary is living proof of why we shouldn't entrust a priceless piece of history to politicians and businessmen. Had the ship simply been PRESERVED in her 1960's configuration, she would be a much greater draw to histourists (histourians?) than she is. It's hard to visit Queen Mary and be excited about the amount of damage that's been done to her over the years by her various owners who not only failed in their various ventures, but also failed to be protectors and stewards of her history. I am well aware that the proposals by these same idiots is what saved her, but ultimately what they did is take the last surviving transatlantic ocean liner in the world and destroyed her.

I'd like to thank you for making this video. You were able to put into eloquent words, the sentiments I've had about the deplorable "haunted ship" marketing scheme. It's a quick buck, but for an ocean liner the size and expense of the Queen Mary, it's proven to be a business model that does not work. It's sustained her, but never been a resounding success. This needs to change. Things need to change. And I believe once the focus is switched back to luxury and heritage, the ship will start making that money hand over fist. Thanks again!

@AlextheHistorian

Жыл бұрын

@Dennis Wilson they used to have that already. They finallt removed the sets and mazes from the ship a few weeks ago.

@wyster14

Жыл бұрын

Yeah like, if the ship had a spa onboard as well as some of her original luxurious accommodations, she really would be the perfect hotel. She will never sail again, but her original state was the perfect setup for a glamorous hotel

@davejacobs9042

Жыл бұрын

God, I hope you’re right

This is a heartfelt assessment of the Queen Mary and very beautiful. I crossed the Atlantic on her in 1958 with my mother and father and that has been one of my dearest and enduring memories. It was an experience I will never forget. I sincerely hope she gets the help she needs. Thank you for this lovely tribute!

I remember going to see the Queen Mary back around 1972 or 1973 when I was about 6 or 7 years old. I don’t remember much beyond being impressed by it’s historic character. I remember each of us kids got to buy a small carved wooden animal at the gift shop, and I wish I still had it. I always wanted to go stay on it in a nostalgic getaway for a time predating my birth.

I'm a volunteer at a few steam railways here in the Uk, one of the biggest concerns of our operations is preserving the history of our historic sites and vehicles. I have often wondered that if the queen Mary had been treated in a similar manor, she wouldn't have fallen into such a bad state. take for example the Middleton railway (my current stamping ground). the line was bought by enthusiasts and operated in a similar condition to how it was during its working life. the thing that brings the tourists to us is the railway itself. we don't make shit up about the railway to draw people in, we don't cause a media circus over the one time a locomotive exploded. and we especially don't make out our railway to be decrepit or falling apart. that's sort of what our job is to prevent. we don't devote our lives to preserving its history only to ruin it to make a quick bit of cash. what Mary needs is people who care about keeping her history alive. that's how our railway exists, and how many others in Britan have made it into the 2000s. i know that she is a massive ship, and she needs a lot of money to keep her around, but more extreme things have happened in historical preservation. im not sure of the exact figures but the NYMR (another hang out of mine) spends several million a year alone on coal to keep the fires going, and the cost of maintaining the locomotives is likely near double that. the money isn't the main issue here. its finding the people that will do right by her thats the problem

@Daniel_Huffman

Жыл бұрын

I mean, if the line did bring attention to a locomotive exploding, it would be the equivalent of marketing the time the _Queen Mary_ sank the HMS _Curacoa._

I was always appalled the Olympic wasn't saved as a museum. Anyway, out of all U.S. cities, the Low Angeles area cares the least about history. That area has torn down more historic buildings than I care to remember. Society is changing. People are slobs who never dress up or care about glamour. When the Queen Mary 2 starts losing too much money, that will sadly be the last ocean liner. Fortunately, we have people like you to keep history alive.

@adrianghandtchi1562

Жыл бұрын

I feel like The general public didn’t start holding onto things for the historical value until much later on, unfortunately a lot of things were lost, at least some of the fittings of the Britannic and Olympic can still be found.

@michaelwhite2823

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianghandtchi1562 Agreed.

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianghandtchi1562 and I say the Queen Mary needs to get out of Long Beach.

I am from Long Beach, CA and work right next to the Queen Mary most days - it is tragic to see the condition she has been left in. The city is doing what they can when it comes to restoring her but the problem as usual simply comes down to money. The Carnival Cruise Terminal is right next door (in the old Spruce Goose dome) and the city is fighting a lot of other issues such as homelessness, crime, and maintaining a public safety sector that the funds just are not there to fix the QM. I hope they can before it is too late - rumors have floated around for years that they may sell her carcass off to Asia for scrapping but no one really knows what will happen...

@eviehammond9509

Жыл бұрын

No doubt when every penny of profit is squeezed outta her & there are none of those who are truly passionate about her restoration & upkeep left up for this mighty task it will most likely be scrapped. It's a sad ending for this majestic & legendary liner, but so is seeing the homeless population grow by leaps & bounds & other higher priority issues that most cities face daily. You gotta wonder if all the incoming money was actually used for what it's intended for could all these issues be taken care of or at the very least minimized and/ or managed...???

@samuelhaverghast2442

Жыл бұрын

if they can't handle her, they shouldn't sell her for scrap, tell them to make an offer to England, I'm sure they would want her home to be restored

@wyster14

Жыл бұрын

They literally cannot sell her for scrap. The city gains over 200 million in revenue, and her yearly maintenance costs total to 5 million. Her restoration expenses are larger, but when broken into chunks in multiple years, it is much more manageable

@vixtex

Жыл бұрын

Long Beach is where I was born and raised and remember when she came to dock. They had a wild auction selling off everything from old telephones to art deco furniture.

@adancontreras6383

Жыл бұрын

Queen Mary employee here. 1) Do NOT listen to the news. They are desperate for drama,gossip,rumors, & love to scare people out since that's how they get their ratings up & money. 2) No one in the right mind will get rid of her since the city makes over $200 million who only needed total of $22 million. Is already taken care with "insurance." 3) I was there at exhibit,boiler, & engine room that is already repaired of the major parts of the ship. 4) What it only needs is the repairs of the elevators,promenade floors, & new body paint. 5) The crime & homelessness in downtown LB has been a problem since forever. It has grown thanks to cops who refused to be there & blames the Los Angeles mayor (local) for cutting their salaries for their corruption.

Fantastic video, thank you for making it. I have lived in Southern California since 2006 and I have been fortunate enough to spend a lot of time on the Queen Mary. I have slept in many of her state rooms, eaten in all of her restaurants, and spent New Year's Eve there probably seven or eight times. I have done every possible tour on board (both official and unofficial) and even attended the regrettable "Dark Harbor" Halloween Extravaganza one year. Obviously, the Queen Mary is very special and important to me. But with all that being said, there was always an element of "Rose Tinted Glasses" whenever I stayed in the State Rooms there. For the money, you could get a more modern or nicer hotel room, but nothing anywhere near as cool or historic. I never stayed there because I "needed" a hotel in Long Beach, I stayed there either because I wanted to or because I was attending a function there. I love the history, the design, and the atmosphere on board, and I can't wait to go there again.

On a less depressing note, she is open as of September 2023. I was visiting California from Arizona and thought she would be a cool place to stay. Unfortunate for me, she was fully booked that weekend which seems like a positive sign. Also, her remaining aft engine room space was finally open to the public. That was a fascinating space to visit and definitely very memorable.

Thank you! This lovely ship has been apart of my life as long as I can remember! Since the Spruce Goose left Long Beach the Queen Mary has had a hard time maintaining her dignity. If she reopens make sure to visit the Churchill Lounge! This lovely ship deserves better than she has received 😔

I was able to visit and eat on the queen Mary back in October 2019. I didn’t know anything about “dark harbor” and seeing all the stuff setup for the event really made me question why. I knew that I was at a historic piece of history with such a beautiful story, the dark harbor to me seemed wrong. As mentioned, the ship is meant to be a hotel and a luxury place to stay, not a haunted attraction and money needs to be put towards the ship and not just into the owners pockets. The ship inside was beautiful and I hope the ship is able to be seen as a beautiful place to stay for a vacation, rather than a place to hunt ghosts and make clickbait videos.

My favorite metaphor for the Queen Mary as she is now is as if the decaying corpse of some well loved celebrity is on display in a carnival sideshow. So much of the grandeur that made her the grand old lady of the North Atlantic has been ripped out and sold off, scrapped, or just thrown away. It's especially depressing to those of us know what once was there, and is now gone forever.

I've not heard of this before, and it's extremely sad to me. She was so beloved that people fought to save her, and people either haven't had the budget or the interest to keep her up to date. I haven't done any further research yet, but I do hope that she is able to be brought back to her original glory and loved for the engineering and historical masterpiece she is.

Just got off an amazing night's stay on the Queen!! The City has done an amazing job getting her back up to operations. The engine room exhibit is amazing now. Staterooms have been renovated exceptional given the ship's age . Granted, many areas are still undergoing renovation, but the city should be commended based on the parts they have finished and have opened to the public thus far. What an amazing stay and trip back in time. You need to go if you haven't gone since the making of this video. I think you would be proud. The Sunday brunch in the giant ballroom will be amazing as well when it returns hopefully later this summer in August . Will definitely be back for another stay after the brunch returns. Hope this fine Lady continues to get the attention and repairs she deserves.!! Great video on the history and agree... Lose the silly haunted tours !

I’ve visited her many times as a kid. Nearly all decisions revolve around money because most decisions need to be financially viable. Those who purchased her, leased her, and are currently responsible for her laid out large sums of money. While I would like to see her in her original glory that costs money, just keeping her afloat costs money, lots and lots of money and sometimes one needs to make a quick buck in order to keep the lights on. Lots of people who don’t own or run businesses talk about mismanagement and short cuts without ever having any idea of the costs associated.

My sister and I used to go visit the Queen at least twice a year when we first moved out here in the late '80s. They still had the Spruce Goose there as well at that time. During the revolving doors of the 90s, we fell out of the habit of visiting, but in 2000 we were vendors at a trade show held on the ship. So we stayed overnight on her for the first time. And we ended up taking the WRONG elevator and getting locked into the museum by accident! Thank goodness for janitors! There was some kind of renovation of the rooms going on at the time, because part of the main hotel corridor was stacked with sinks...so many sinks... It was far from the luxury experience the original concept was, but it had not denigrated into Haunted House Central yet. I don't know if the city of Long Beach can save her...or if anyone, at this point, can. The city is partly to blame for the loss of Disney as an operator, however, since they strenuously have resisted any and all efforts to develop the area around the Queen, except for a handful of shops which I'm fairly sure are gone by now. She's not ever going to be enough of a draw by herself. Anyone staying at a hotel would like to have something to go look at, and where she is, there's nothing.

May 11 2023, I spent my birthday on Queen Mary, scheduled to fully re-open the next day. I took the "Ghosts and Legends tour, and without question, Queen Mary is the most UN-Haunted liner. Most accidents/activities were par for her years at sea, & the thought of "moans at the bow" are attributable to a Royal Navy cruiser turning in front of the speeding liner, & before anyone could turn, Queen Mary sliced the cruiser in half (after WW2, 2/3 blame was placed on the cruiser). I'll look forward to when I can tour her yet again!

I stayed overnight on the Queen Mary back in 2013. Didn't take the ghost tour (kind of wish I had now, but at the time I assumed I'd get another chance...). The ship was pretty run down when I stayed on her, but she had a really lovely energy and atmosphere to her. Best night sleep I've ever had. Nothing scary at all. I'm a huge Poseidon Adventure fan, so that was part of the draw for me. I took a number of photos and each one was filled with orbs. Never had that happen before--make of it what you will. So happy I had the opportunity to see her before she closed. Hope she gets the renovation she deserves and re-opens in the future. Thanks for another fantastic video!

@brober

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Orbs were the ghost of Shelly Winters.

@sidoniesera

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@@brober LOL!!!

@derekllewellyn6663

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@@brober me too Derek Llewellyn feel like it was great news story show TV show documentary about biography history channel VIP tickets tour guide Legends ghost tour guide new year reel life ghost of view of power

I love this story. Thank you for sharing this. I always had an interest in ghosts because they have a story to tell. Please save the Queen Many . She is remarkable lady

my cousin was married on her in the late 80s. she chose her for the event because she was the nicest location in long beach at the time, and I remember the decision being massively unpopular with my family; they didn't approve of her marrying on a ship so many died due to as the elderly relative said the bad luck may curse her marriage!

She’s a beautiful ship. She must be saved. I’d like to go see her.

So sad! My Granddad took me to the beach to watch her be escorted into Long beach harbor by a flotilla of boats. Later while attending high school at Wilson high in Long beach. I was enrolled in Navy JROTC. My mom picked me up after school one Friday afternoon to take me to dinner on the Queen Mary. I was still in my JROTC uniform. I remember being saluted by crew members while walking up the gang plank and all over the ship. Mom is long gone, but I sure hope they save the Queen.

Hello! I sinds you mentioned the SS Rotterdam it might cool if you did a video about her, it is my favourite ship and it fits to the video about the SS Nieuw Amsterdam, lovely and scary video, Keep it up you make amazing videos!

Well done and well said. I live within an hour of the Queen Mary and have definitely been curious to visit her, and I agree that a shift in how she’s promoted would probably make a huge difference in the types of clientele she’s getting. Keep up the awesome vids.

Love your droll captions...and your admonition to 'be nice to each other' as episode closer, hits the spot!

I think that part of the Queen Mary’s failures lie in the location. Long Beach California, at the edge of an industrial estate, was a terrible place to retire. Imagine the same story, but in New York, or even Los Angeles or San Francisco. Part of the reason why the QE2 works so well, is because she’s right next to Dubai’s heart. She’s a luxury hotel right next to where people can most often be found, a great place for any hotel. A place where people are already known to spend their time. Parked at the edge of an industrial estate, there’s no reason to visit the Queen Mary unless you’re going to see the ship itself. Otherwise there’s no incentive for people to go anywhere near. But since relocating her in her current condition is impossible, her best chance is for the surrounding area to be repurposed. But that doesn’t seem at all possible. So aside from relocating, and while I continue to have faith in Queen Mary’s restoration and preservation, I can’t see how it’s possible with the hand she’s been dealt. Only time will tell.

@moviemaker2011z

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I mean they could relocate her. But major refits and repairs would need to be made. The ship would need to be moved to a more tourist centered area and I think it would be possible if they would stop fucking around and just do it.

@merafirewing6591

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​@@moviemaker2011zand not to mention rebuild the stuff they had taken out of her.

It would have been cool to see the Olympics as a museum ship, and I think saying she's haunting was a good marketing strategy but ofc greed overcome every rich person. I'm surprised pearl harbor didn't get the attention it got when they said it was haunted (which makes sense, because it's bodies still stuck in some of the ships) .

I believe my grandmother used to travel to Norway every year on the QM and then in the QEII.

Another great video. I saw the Queen Mary from afar in summer, 1972. If my memory is correct (highly unlikely these days) she was not yet open to the public, so we could not go explore her. (So we went to a Three Dog Night concert instead!!)

History will not make you rich-we preserve it because some things have value that transcends dollar signs. Wish this message was more popular.

In the ad, I loved seeing you flip through the Edward Hopper book

Fantastic ship. Toured her in the 70's. Absolutely gorgeous, although the hallways around the high end rooms were actually creepy. Just feels a little off.

I really hope that one day I get to see this ship. I've always been into this style of ocean liners. Living on the east coast it doesn't feel like I'll see her any time soon but maybe one day. There is one that I've seen. It was in Philly the SS United States. I only saw the outside but I've seen videos if the inside. It's gutted so it's nothing like the QM. It was still cool to see.

My mom Worked at the QM during the Disney tenure and she (and the rest of the staff) were not allowed to say it was owned by Disney despite using Disney employee badging and computer systems. The ghost tours used off the shelf Imagineering technology and tricks to hype up the tours, but little to no actual investment in the property was done. My wife and I stayed in 2018 and the same beds and linens from the Disney era were still in use. It was sad to see what might have been, were it not for the 2001, 2008, and 2020 economic cycles.

As a child growing up in the early 1950's I watched all those beautiful liners arriving in Southampton. Did visit QM in Long Beach way back in the 90's. Thanks for your wonderful documentaries.

Thank You for this wonderful video!! EVERYTHING you said in the video is 100% spot on accurate !! I’m a huge ocean liner enthusiast. Have been my entire life. I’ve traveled transatlantic many times. QM2 is a fantastic experience I can highly recommend to anyone. I was a 16 year old boy and watched the Queen Mary enter Long Beach harbor for the first time from a friends cabin cruiser . I was at the Queen Mary on opening day. And since, have visited and stayed overnight in the first class cabins probably 30 times over the years. She is a wonderful and elegant ship with such a incredible history. And I’m telling the truth that I’ve never never experienced any kind of supernatural or ghostly happening. She is actually floating at her berth, so••• yes you hear groans and creaking of the ship as she moves. The walls are not every soundproof, so you can hear people in the rooms on each side of you talking and moving about . But NO GHOSTS!! It was just something thought up by Disney as a marketing scheme. ( And a Poor Idea at that ) !!! I should know, I worked at Disney for 48 years. It was their idea ! No Ghosts ! All it did was hurt the luxury image that the ship was once famous for . She deserves better!! Hopefully she will receive it in the future. Long Live the Beautiful Queen Mary!

I visited the Queen Mary a few years ago and I was astonished at the sharp contrast between the exhibits that seemed to be genuinely honoring the ship's glamorous history and the insanely tacky "Olde England" tourist trap kitsch. It's a place that has gone through so many owners that it lacks any kind of coherent theme or direction

An excellent account of her post-retirement years, and I strongly agree with your assessment of the greedy, shortsided, half-assed and downright disrespectful business 'strategies' that have plagued the great ship. The cynical promotion of Queen Mary as being 'haunted' is not only at odds with her intended use as a hotel, as you point out, but it contradicts the reputation she had throughout her career as a 'happy' ship, one loved by passengers and crew alike for being a comfortable, safe and harmonious place with a generally good 'vibe'. This subject hits, quite literally, close to home for me- RMS Queen Mary is an easy ½ hour drive up Pacific Coast Highway from my home town. I was barely 3 years old when she arrived in Long Beach, and she was the first ocean liner I knew. She's largely responsible for my lifelong love of ocean liners. I've naturally neen aboard her, though it's been a long time. I, too, remain optimistic about her future. I certainly hope the new operators drop the lame 'haunted' schtick and take a higher road. Thank you for the great work you do. I really appreciate the high standards you maintain, and your genuine love of the Great Liners is always evident. Until next time, bon voyage, mon ami!

I hope somebody can save her and restore her to her former glory as a museum and luxury hotel.

The videos on this channel never disappoint. This is an excellent and respectful reflection on a ship that deserves to be treated with the respect and care due a work of art. Thank you for making this video.

My dad traveled to America on the Queen Mary in the early sixties, he was a drummer and as far as we know he played with a band on the voyage. It would be cool to find a passenger list

@chendaforest

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I think they are available online now.

My father, in October of 1942, took the Queen Mary to England to train for World War II. Unfortunately, this crossing was when they hit the Curacao escort ship, and 360 British sailors drown because the Queen Mary could not stop to rescue them for fear that the Germans would torpedo the ship with 15,000 soldiers. My father was just taking his shift below decks to sleep and had just crawled into the top rack when they collided. They all fell in a huge heap on the floor, thinking they had been hit by a German torpedo and were going to drown. No one told them anything as they waited anxiously below decks. When they reached port, the soldiers could see the damaged bow of the ship. Two months later, in December, the Queen Mary was hit by a huge rogue wave, amost 100 ft high. The ship was within 3 degrees of listing and sinking. She was carrying almost 16,000 men. Edit: My brother and I visited the QM in 2005, and stayed in the hotel. It was really kind of sad and depressing.

I think the last nail in the coffin for the QM's reputation was where she was located to. Long Beach is right next to LA, and as we all know, LA is filled with youtubers and celebrities, so it's not very surprising that when people found out that the queen mary had a haunted past, and then they saw an opportunity to clickbait with ghost videos. I mean all they'd have to do is drive like 30 mins from LA to Long Beach to see her.

Thanks for the video...How they can take something so beautiful and make such a ham fisted mess is quite amazing. Simply keeping the state rooms restored to their former glory; a 5 star restaurant, with hotel and conference space then you would think they would have a captive audience. Trying to win back the glamour and prestige that has been lost will be a tall order. Such a shame.

I live in long Beach. Long live the queen! Gosh I love her and can't wait to go back time and time again

Loved this video, there are sooooo many stories related to the old girl, it would indeed be a shame if she ended up in the scrapyard.

Thanks for this story. Haven't heard much about QM since 2016. Hope she will be returned to her glory!

The drop and voice line to the song that starts around 5:28 is honestly hot fire.

I’m so grateful I got to visit before it was too late!

Bring her home to Clydebank, let her get restored where she was built....and I can admire her in real life! 😉🥰😍

Greed is a terrible thing. I learned things I didn't know from this video. Thank you.

Oh I do HATE the ghost bullshit around Queen Mary! She's so much more than that. There is real, genuine history there but it's not only ignored. It's defiled. It's disrespected! And for what?

When I saw the title, I was taken and clicked on it not even a millisecond after lol. Queen Mary is definitely my favorite, and has always. Btw great footage and overall facts!

My wife and I stayed on the Queen Mary Back in 2002... Our room was small and moderately expensive, but the food was good and we were able to explore a lot of the ship! I certainly hope they don't close it permanently because we would like to stay there again some day!

This was an excellent look at the Queen Mary's post liner career in California. I don't think there is a viable business model for the vessel anymore. It would require a massive funding drive to try and preserve it as a museum but that is probably the best chance at saving it.

My wife and I were there 2 weeks ago taking pictures outside as you are no longer aloud on board as your youtube detailed, we had some photos with some police in the car park and they asked us if we knew of the ghost in the pool and we had said no. I was wondering what the large closed off area was near the ships area which was a scary horror theme party which we thought nothing of, but no understand why it was happing thanks to your youtube!

Visited her several times and stayed overnight in 2018. I agree that she's been the victim of poor decision-making from the day she entered Long Beach harbor. It's a daunting task to preserve a huge rust-susceptible ship parked next to the ocean without the ability to drydock or the benefit of constant spot maintenance provided by a crew. I'm sure the bean-counters overlooked that in their cost projections. What I also fail to understand is why -if you intend to create a floating museum- would you strip so much of its art and fittings? She's like an Art Deco shell. The cabins that make up the hotel are also not in great shape. They look tired, stripped down and aren't representative of their price tag. If Disney wants to have another go, they should consider refurbishing the SS United States for service and outfitting her in mid-century style in accordance with the period Disneyland opened. They have the resources, an existing fleet she could fit in with and Walt would have approved, if not for his love of classic liners, his desire the save America's flagship.

Great video as usual and I appreciate your opinion about making her a floating haunted house

It's hard to love something so expensive to maintain - scrapping is so often inevitable :( fabulous video though, I enjoy the additional lore behind a ship in addition to full history vids :)

Great video! Thank you for this thoughtful reflection on the Queen.

Would you consider making some kind of shorts series, just following the restoration? I absolutely love hearing about that kinda stuff, and the brief conversation of it at the end of this video really whet my appetite!

I came back from England to Australia in 2008, and lucked out with the layover in LA... the cheapest hotel I could get was the Queen Mary. Back before Urban Commons turned it into a ghost destination... Was onboard for 5 nights... My favourite place in the world. Just heard word they've reopened... Hope they've done her proud, she deserves it. And yes, there's spirits on board but definitely not the ghost house crap they tried to market later

Great video and very informative. Awesome rare footage and images, as always. Thank you for producing and sharing.

Buzzfeed Supernatural I think did the best job on Queen Marry, I love Buzzfeed Supernatural they never missed.

This video made me so emotional for this liner and I’d never heard of her until today. I hope she gets preserved :(

ghost hunters are really, really easy targets. it's just effortless. they sap the fun out of any story they're in. best to simply not mention them

The facts that her reputation and future was destroyed by youtuber hereing of one death and clameing that she is haunted is sad. I think one of the reasons she sits decaying is because only 2 types of people would go on her the ship fans like you and me and the ghost fans. The rest scared away

@mbryson2899

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She's linked to far more than one death. They say you can hear crewmen of the H.M.S. Curacao far forward.

@merafirewing6591

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@@mbryson2899 yeah, a ship of her size was bound to be haunted.

@Big Old Boats Recently discovered your channel, i love the videos and the history. The visuals are awesome! Much better than the same old slideshow with the same old pictures

Thanks for the Informative Video on the Queen Mary.

I’m staying in a beach condo in Long Beach right now. The Queen Mary is my view during my morning coffee. I’ve walk over to her a several times now. It’s just tragic what has become of her. And yes the area is not great. The rusty Russian sub next to her needs to go. It would be amazing if Carnival could jump in and help restore her back to a hotel and restaurant. But it would be even better if she could also be seaworthy and taken out a few times a year for a novelty cruise by Carnival. I would definitely book that cruise

Just had the pleasure of staying aboard her the night before I took a cruise out of the neighboring Carnival terminal. She’s in decent shape in some areas, rough shape in others, but she’s not beyond saving yet. Part of the problem as I see it beyond long overdue maintenance to the key systems like the hull, is she needs some basic TLC and updates to the hotel spaces. Not big things either, some carpets, floor buffing, and a few simple touches like fake flowers and a desk or chairs in the staterooms would do wonders.

Nicely done, though you didn't mention how the Queen Mary became known for ghostly things. I believe it was as a result of her cutting an out of position escort ship in two during WWII. Known then as the "Grey Lady," She was used as a high speed troop ship. It was said that the sounds of the collision would occasionally be heard up at the bow along with some sightings.

@idontknowwhatimdoinghere

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Wait, wasn’t she known as The ”Grey Ghost” and not ”Grey Lady”? Or was she known with both nicknames?