One thing is that these gaming companies specifically prey on human psychology. When rolling for characters, everything down to the presentation, wait times, audio, etc is specifically chosen to tickle our brains in all the right places. While some have the resolve to stay F2P until the end, that doesn't mean the game isn't forming addictive tendencies in their brains. The fact that games like Genshin can manipulate players into logging in every day to do 10-15 minutes of daily quests as a literal chore says enough, in a way. We're in a world where such companies actually hire psychologists to help make their games as addicting as possible. Ideally desiring to trap people in a kind of infinite loop of servitude to their game and to profit off of people who are more susceptible to addiction. I feel that this cannot be healthy or be, objectively, seen as a force for good. If something is free, you are likely part of the product. Even if you stay F2P, you may go around telling people the game is good and isn't P2W. You inadvertently become part of the marketing team, and you also keep the community feeling alive to attract more players and help hold onto current players. Some of the people you attract to the game may not be as strong-willed as you. Maybe they're even going through some depression and so that hit of dopamine could be an unhealthy vice they adopt to feel 'good' for a few minutes. Paying money for a hit of dopamine is not unlike a drug.

@cultok

Жыл бұрын

Beautiful Fucking comment

@xxxarielv25xxx

Жыл бұрын

This is the best comment have seen in this regard.

@Windtorment

Жыл бұрын

Well written comment.

@MrSnake1994

11 ай бұрын

I bet some white knight didnt dare to reply to this comment bec how right this comment is.

@El_MaNIaC

10 ай бұрын

Yes and no Yes: Because yes they do ways too attracts players too spend money on it. Gacha games are not make for everyone No: The gacha system is here ONLY and ONLY if you fall on it if you can spend hundreads off money in a gacha game if they don't regret or think they lost something then it fine. You say that "Some people you attract to the game may not be as strong-will as you" is like everything you with less extension for exemple i can say too someone that he would like you too do bodybuilding the person doo it and then became addict too it if he was in some system or such, not really but you did indeed attract someone too do it is that make you someone who make people addict. No and is soo too gacha games and too bassicly everything Remember, everything could be a addiction is that make you some kind off evil people too share someone a gacha game that you like .No. For what i sayed before plus you cannot if like something that isn't bad you can share with everyone people can actually and find the game good maybe he could like the community the codes off the community the legends off it ect...) If it affect you in a good way you can share things that you could never be doing in life is for that and some other reason that being addict too gacha games is far more better than drugs, pornography, casino ect...) You can learn something good by almost everything even a gacha game

a very important aspect is the manipulation or the induction of false sensations in the mind with sound design , there was this day when i played my final match on the game super mecha champions before i unnistalled it, i closed the game and some sound got bugged and it would keep playing in the background, generating anxiety while i was listening to music and browsing the web, in one moment my mind couldn't take it anymore and decided to stop it, i realized that the sound that was bugged and stuck on repeat was the sound effect used for the footsteps of the characters inside the game, in that moment i understood that every time i would feel anxiety or my pulse rate would increase inside a match was caused by that fucking sound, the constant sound of tap tap tap tap tap would generate a constant sense of anxiety in my mind, that was the reason why i would end up with my hands shaking after a stressful match, and i wouldn't have realized if the game didn't bugged itself while trying to function as supposed, once i shut down the app from my settings the sound stopped and i would feel relief and my mind would finally relax you know, it is common knowledge in things related to our consciousness , about how you can influence your mind to generate things for you, just like you can influence someone to like you or to convince someone to get help, well here the same strategy is used but to induce many false sensations, anxiety, desperation, the creation of a need for something you don't actually want or even require, and like it happened to me, the creation of a false psychological sensation that wasn't actually there, the sensation of an anxiety that didn't even exist until it was forced by that little sound, these people are not idiots, and they know not just how to influence the mind, but to influence consciousness, to make you believe that every choice you make inside a game and even before you decided to enter the game comes from you and not from an entire system manufactured to force you to choose and be part of it, and once you get inside all your choices are controlled by specific aspects that functions according to an order which keeps your choices in line so the game can lead you where it wants you to, of course the main goal is to make you spend money like a whale, other goals are addiction, emotional responses, nostalgic feelings, a false sense of responsibility, a connection with characters so it becomes hard to abandon them and the progress you have with them, and if you abandon them you get a sense of guilt that only goes away if you return to the game, and when you return the game incentives you with cute free gifts, thus making the confirmation that returning to the game was the only reasonable choice that could make you happy and remove the sense of guilt from your mind looks like i described life in general haha, let that sink in for a moment.

5:21 actually i dont think this art style is target at children. japan do like cute stuff , colorfull stuck and many things that we deem as childish

@bruhhhh---

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. Anime style doesn't mean it was made to target children, especially an IP like FGO. Children don't even have the method to make purchases without parental consent. I've been playing and occasionally paying for monthlies since I was 14. I'm much more resilient against impulse buying because of it so it's a positive for me. (though I was interested in the subject of probabilities in the first place & making graphs of my pulls are fun)

@igorgiuseppe1862

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruhhhh--- not to mention that many of those stuff get popular due to rule34... I mean, i never played genshin but i know a lot of characters due to it. i watched a few fate animes, but know a lot of other characters due to fate go... and so on.

@Fishnberg

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is, Kids they only play mobile games and it's weird

@WeebusSupremus

2 жыл бұрын

I may have phrased my gripes incorrectly. I don't think these games are EXCLUSIVELY made for kids. But the problem is that a child could be potentially lured into playing the game with a gambling mechanic. And these companies are able to market their GAMBLING mechanics as being okay for minors on the App Store. That's my issue with these games, they don't make it clear that what they are doing is considered gambling by most modern definitions of the word.

@igorgiuseppe1862

2 жыл бұрын

@@WeebusSupremus i agree that kids should stay away from gambling, actually everyone should, especially kids

ohh, I remember 5 months ago, I was lost my account gacha game. I tried to recover my account but it failed. after one week, I'm starting so regretful and guilty of wasting my time in gacha game, even though I never use real money to buy items from the game. Imagine, you open your phone 2 - 4 times in one day for 10-20 minutes or more, how many times that you wasted your time in gacha games just for collecting items and farming characters. finally, I realized the times that I use for gacha games it can be used for another activity, learning cooking, learning guitar, or something else.

@janptacek7950

2 жыл бұрын

Time is more valuable than money. Understand how it feel. People don't understand that if you are f2p and you don't spend money, you are still wasting time, which is the most valuable thing.

Thanks for shedding a light on the topic. The community is heavily aware of this (especially fgo players) but somehow justify it by saying “oh I don’t spend any money and stay completely free to play” or “oh I spend a little bit of money once a while to support the game devs and show support for the franchise”. Although a majority of people don’t get bankrupt from gacha games, some people do. That’s why it’s important to talk about this and get more people aware.

@davidd9027

Жыл бұрын

You’re forgetting the worst part about free to play. You are giving your time away. People don’t know this but time is infinitely more valuable than money.

@LutherusPXCs

10 ай бұрын

​@@davidd9027That can be said about anything in life. Sitting down and watching nothing of importance on KZread for hours is the same thing. It's not the game nor is it the app, you just need to have self control.

@El_MaNIaC

10 ай бұрын

​@@davidd9027If they don't regret it and have a good time on it is perfectly fine

@El_MaNIaC

10 ай бұрын

​@@LutherusPXCs I agree

This was a decent video some people in the Genshin community need to wake up and stop eating everything Mihoyo feed them Genshin is a great game but the issue with it is the greed of the Wishing Gacha system. We need to speak up about this smh.

Agreed, definitely predatory for those without any self control/FOMO. My own style is logging in to gacha games (genshin) around once a month to play their story events which I do for enjoyment. I stopped doing dallies/artifact grind in 1.1/1.2 where I found it to be dreadful

@cultok

Жыл бұрын

I legit have both fomo ( big d2 player I was ) and lack of self control so usually I’ll lock my card anytime I play genshin its that bad

@seanplaysgames2551

9 ай бұрын

@@cultok i feel lucky that i just hate gambling because its always disappointing and barely any fun so i never have the "hope for the dopamine rush"

@skullkraken_resurrected9857

4 ай бұрын

Bruh self-control? Everyone who plays Gachas are literally gambling addicts.

thank you for this. yes as an addict this game left me with no food alot. for me i think its best to uninstall. I honestly dont even like the story but played for the anime. If this game had no anime and still had no voice acting for the main character i wouldn't play it. No reason. The only reason i was addictive was the anime aspect and its not healthy. Gatta grow up and make sure i have food before the next 5 star.

@CheungAdoniszu

Жыл бұрын

I was there, you are not alone. Let this be a lesson to not fall for the same trap in the future. I don't play gacha games anymore period even if my close friends asks me to because I know I will fall into the it's trap. Go for games that are one time purchase, Period. Even overpriced DLC is better because at least you know what you are getting!

i really love this video. i started playing genshin impact last year and ever since then, i've only been attracted to gacha games... regular games dont appeal to me anymore. its actually really scary, idk whats happening in my head. there are so many genshin streamers who constantly say that they're not promoting gambling but by just exposing your audience to it frequently, they'll get the dopamine rush and want to try it for themselves. i remember when i started playing genshin, i told myself i wouldnt spend money. and now to present day, i think its justified if i spend my income on gacha games cos its my 'hobby' :( i wish genshin impact wasnt so mainstream, cos there are tons of people like me out there now. making a living off a gacha game should be looked down on, and a successful gacha game like genshin impact is nothing to be celebrated. still makes me so mad that people say 'OH ITS A FREE GAME BTW' yeah... so they can make people like me.

@Weebus Supremus. Good video! I was thinking about how much things have changed in the US (and maybe elsewhere) with regards to gambling. When my wife and I were growing up, it was difficult to gamble and gambling was seen in a very negative light by most people (waste of money, for "loser" people, etc.). You had to physically travel to Las Vegas or to a few other small places in the US to gamble. Now, you have sports gambling over your phone, state lotteries and scratch-off games that are available at your local convenience store, gacha games, lots more casinos, etc. The ease of access to gambling is much more pervasive so it is likely that there are lots more gambling addicts now. I must see 4 to 5 gambling ads per day on TV promoting sports gambling in particular, although I also see Hoyoverse ads a lot on youtube promoting their games. Unfortunately, I don't see an easy solution because gambling has become widely accepted and ingrained into society now to point where if you DON'T gamble in some form, you are a minority. Gambling addiction is particularly concerning for young people because these gacha games and other forms are gambling are often a way for them to feel like they are socially-accepted and part of a trendy community. And, many of the gacha games realize this, and promote the establishment of social communities on youtube and other social places in order to keep people addicted and gambling in the game. Therefore, youtube and other social media are also indirectly promoting gambling addiction. This is why I say that the gambling has become so ingrained in society that there is no easy solution to preventing gambling addiction.

Thank you for this essay, it's very helpful.

Gread vid! I wonder if you will cover more on gacha games 🥺. I played too much genshin impact now even as an f2p. I feel I need to slow down after I reach AR56 and wait for the storyline to progress

@WeebusSupremus

2 жыл бұрын

To be quite frank, I don't think I'll cover gacha games for a while. Usually, I only make videos when I feel I have something unique to say. So unfortunately I'm not gonna be making a video on these games for a long while. But thank you anyway for enjoying my video! I really appreciate it!

I feel that it would be revolutionary if a gatcha game were to have a system where every rare item have increased drop rate for an x amount of summons for some amount of time that a player has not summoned. Example, if someone were to save up an not summon for like months of their play time(not real life time) then eventually rare items and unit will get rate up for x amount of summons depending on how long a player has not summoned, and this would only allowed to take effect on free gatcha gems. Like it might sound a bit silly or too good to be true but actually no, because it converts play time into free gatcha.

@WeebusSupremus

2 жыл бұрын

Issue would be that it isn't profitable. Most companies like money (obviously), so their goal would be to extract as much capital from its paying users, rather than rewarding the unprofitable free players.

Thank you so much for this video. I think games like Final Fantasy Brave EXVIUS, Last Cloudia, and Grand Summoners should be called out too because although those three games are awesome, the Gachas in them are so expensive it’s not even funny. I’m seriously thinking about leaving these games alone because the prices are just ridiculous and nothing in them is guaranteed.

I get that this is their business, but I think it's morally wrong. But I like that Genshin Impact doesn't force you to participate in gambling. You can literally play the game without ever using the gacha. The story and the soundtrack is better than looking at a screen and see what characters I get.

@WeebusSupremus

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad that we agree that it's toxic, but I still feel that the industry is toxic, even if the game is free. My problem is that the incentive to gamble always exists, even if you don't ever use it. It's always in the background, tempting you to spend your money to skip the challenge of the game. This is the issue I have with the gacha industry, not the artists behind the project. btw, thank's for watching the vid! I'm not a big channel, but it means the world to me to know that people would leave their opinions on my videos!

@ventischair9576

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeebusSupremus Yeah. I agree with you. I'm someone who started playing Genshin Impact because it was BotW related, and the gameplay is really great! I used the gacha a few times with in-game currency, but I never had the temptation to spend money on it for the following reasons: 1- I saw right through the gacha's intentions because my parents actually taught me what manipulation is and how it works so it completely threw me off. 2- I have the dignity to not spend money on characters that are temporary and unimportant, even if I care about the characters, there are more important things in life. 3- I like staying F2P, I like a challenge and I love my starter characters. 4- I have lack of self control, so I know what the final result will be if I spend money. I actually wanted Venti for a while, he's my comfort character so I needed him even if I wasn't going to use him, but then I thought about something. How would Venti feel if he knew what he's really used for? How would Venti feel if he knew how many people ruined their lives just to get him as a playable character? Would I want to get him in a banner that is used to drain money? No. I don't want to get him that way. I know about the Liyue event where you got a Liyue 4 star character for free. Maybe one day, they'll make an event like that, but for Mondstadt 5 stars. I hope I can get him in some other way. Also, you don't need to thank me for watching your videos :)

@ianang2274

2 жыл бұрын

@Plank Scale It will always start small just like cigarates or drugs.

@angel_of_rust

2 жыл бұрын

gacha players dont even seem to know what real games are

@ventischair9576

2 жыл бұрын

@Falconic Chaos Really? I didn't know that.

I have always wanted to make a gacha style game since learning that they exist and videos like this one are invaluable to me. I don't want to make obscene amounts of money at the expense of vulnerable people/children and I don't want people to feel unfairly disadvantaged if they cannot pay for stuff. Videos like this, even if they don't offer any real usable advice for me, keep my mindset where it needs to be; make a fun game first and a little dough on the side second.

@WeebusSupremus

2 жыл бұрын

I can see what you're getting at. Unfortunately, it's REALLY hard to make a mobile game that doesn't use some form of gacha in it these days. You'll scare off most of your customers by doing that. A good thought would be to stick to cosmetics changes rather than things that change gameplay. Games like League of Legends and Fortnite(ew) have been able to do this, and they are now some of the most popular games in the world. So I encourage you to look into ways that will benefit both the consumer and yourself! Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

@angel_of_rust

2 жыл бұрын

just dont make the game hard on payless players but all those gacha gods threw that outta the window

@ian-ht1nf

2 жыл бұрын

the only way is to gacha something that is isolated from the rest of the contents like cosmetics.

@remu6841

2 жыл бұрын

PvZ Grind Thousand?

i really need to stop playing genshin, god i started playing because of venti and fun elemental reactions, but then i got addicted and now i’m playing 2-3 hours a day it doesn’t even seem fun anymore, it’s like a chore so yeah, i think i will get venti and then finally quit for good

Well said, gacha game is both a blessing and curse. Is a blessing because they have ever evolving worlds and stories, some are genuinely well designed/written. Is a curse because most, if not all the new story content are focusing around the new characters they want you to pull, some ‘good’ games are better at disguising this, while the predatory ones do not even try to hide it at all. The developers themselves are gambling as well, every new release could either make bank or break them, I can’t imagine the pressure they get, the last minute crunch must be a common sight to behold. In my opinion gacha games are doing gaming industry more harm than good. It promotes predatory game design, putting more focus on neural marketing than the actually game play, creating more pressure on the game developers and cultivating a cutthroat culture that worship profit over anything else. Those gacha games will earn more money than any traditional games, but they will leave no legacy behind once the service ends, legacy can’t be measured by money, is a treasure for both the present and future generations.

Is it considered a gacha addiction if I only spend ingame currency to roll on character banners? I'm completely F2P, but am scared that even using the ingame resources as frequently as I do will result in the development of gacha addiction. Any tips?

@phiuzu5487

3 ай бұрын

If u r close to believing that u can get the banner character by winning 50/50, then you will gain a gacha addiction. My best advices are NEVER spend real life money on gacha games even if you want to spend little AND if you are gonna pull the character ALWAYS make sure to have enough currency to successfully get the character despite losing 50/50. Ofc this advice works only for games that have 50/50 win loss mechanics where after you lose the x amount of pulls needed to get the character....your chances to get the character in question within next x amount of pulls is 100% guaranteed. Never be fooled and always be careful even if the gacha game you are playing makes you lucky at times

As A F2P. To any games I play except for Magia record EN I never brought any packs nor Even the monthly subscription. Since once I brought shit in the game. It will just waste. Plus I got trauma after One of my favorites game shuts down. I figured that spending money on a Digital Shit is not worth it at all. Only pulling or Rolling if It's a good character or anniversaries. Heck I max out Starters, and Low grade characters lol. But I do understand why. Money makes the game function. That's one of the reasons my favourite game shuts down due to Lack of Money despite the fan base being actually supportive. After that we switch to JP which is still on going in this day.

wow, there are gambling problems in a game genre that is literally designed entirely around gambling, very insightful

@Nakamako1

Жыл бұрын

you think its obvious but the community doesnt know... this video needed to be done

@phiuzu5487

11 ай бұрын

Cringey sarcasm isn't going to defend your point, lol. It'll make you look as if you're a manchild. I'm against gambling and wasn't aware that gacha was a form of gambling until I stumbled upon such videos.

@LutherusPXCs

10 ай бұрын

​@@phiuzu5487It was made pretty apparent to me playing the game lol.

i live in germany and here says the law gambing is only something when you can get money out of it and videogames who gives you ingame items for money via lootboxes arennt gambling because they are nor real money worth or traded. thats so stupid.

Its weird how the Gacha games had great artstyle, and force you to pay toget good characters. I hated it when you have to wait and wait all the time. Like I hated games that you have to spend real money in game. The problem about these gacha games is not the art or music, its just how the art and music is used in as a tool to make people gamble abit more. I'm not attacking anyone who likes gacha games, all I am just saying is Gacha games are sometimes a waste of time. Edit: I almost forgot Genshin Impact is made by a chinese company. Not alot of people know that these chinese company manly these days are making alot of gacha games. It's evil how these company just use these cute character design, milking them for their own profit. These chinese company basically wants your personal data, and I do not trust then at all.

@_Crazyslots

2 жыл бұрын

Okay so from u pfp and name, basically u are chinese too. no one cares if u trust them or not, just dont play them

imagine genshin but no wishing menu, gave all the new characters during events by completing them (no characters rarity included). no hard artifact grind, u consume one resin point to select wich artifact main stat to get after each run, substats fixed (crit rate comes with crit dmg, def comes with def%, hp comes with hp%, healing bonus comes with outgoing healing...), resin points are obtained in chests and events. no RNG in farming, farming drops and difficulty is indeed based on your level, but you don't have to spend months to grind max level, u simply have to do quest to level up, no exp count needed, then do a domain fight each 10 levels to test your strength, so that world level can increase. the story is released chapter by chapter by each version, but the events are not necessary for the story, they just temporary fun side games, with not much dialogue, they come with some story to explain their relation to the lore, you can go through its story in 2 to 5 minutes and then play the event game as you like. abyss is a permanent event just to test your combat strength, and get used to new enemies. the enemies in it are never higher level than those in a max world level open world. everything from chests and events to abyss gives free resourses and resin points, those resin points are used for farming. there is no daily login resin or daily battle pass, there is no battle pass in fact so don't worry, you can skip a few days and not miss out. you can skip a whole version update if you don't like the events and their free characters, weapons, and rewards. it's not like you're supposed to obsess over gathering some primos to spend on gambling after 6 months to get one character that you love, and skip 3 others that you like too but decided to sacrifice getting them. A paid game to download but totally free to play in their server, that's exponentially better for my sanity and comfort.

Huh why was Princess Connect Re Dive even here when you didn't even talked about it specifically 😂😂, also I've never wasted any money 😎😎.

Seriously though, if you’re playing Genshin Impact for the gacha, then stop playing Genshin Impact

If its virtual money then im fine

Look I 100% believe it’s gambling but if we’re going by that definition then we should call arcade games based off luck gambling or card packs gambling. I do not defend gotcha I’m just saying that the controversies shouldn’t just be limited to gotcha it should be for any gambling aimed at kids.

I recently started playing FGO and so far haven't spend a single dime on it, I love Fate franchise so I had to kneel and start playing. The pull rates are jarringly bad, just bad, design wise. The game grants you 1 Saint Quartz (item required to summon) per quest and 10 SQ every 10th extra quest. 3 quartz are required for a single summon and 30 quartz for a 11 summons. Unless you got all day you can spend a ludicrous amount of timing farming for a single 11 card multi-pull with around 1% chance of getting 5-star and around 4% chance for a 4-star character. You might end up grinding for days and end up with mediocre 3-star characters and if you're lucky you might even get an 4-star character. I can't believe people actually enjoy the game knowing how bad the rates are and even I see how BS the gacha system is in FGO despite loving nasuverse and the franchise.

@danielhong6908

2 жыл бұрын

I've been playing for about 2 years now and I also have not spent a dime I also don't play that much since all I have to do is just wait until something like new years or anniversary comes and gives you a lot of quartz and save up for that one character I want and so far I've been getting what I want

@valenschristianyosua

2 жыл бұрын

Well tbf nobody really enjoys fgo as a game, it's more like a visual novel with gameplay elements.

I'm happy and slightly sad. Because I'm cured of playing daily and farming in Genshin. I got like 600 hours, And, I have 5 powerfull characters, and TONS of shitty artifacts, Tons of time farming achievements and things to try to go for a character... Is funny till you realize about how long and like a work playing a lot to later look at the principal fckn casino that is the Artifact system and the character obtaining form... Horrible system, Obviously is a Casino, But out there we have Skullgirls Mobile, a good game that yeah, it has a Gacha, but with a lot of worth playing, baing already a cool Fighting game and your inicial characters can be POWERFULL with some time invested, you don't need to play like a chinese worker to later go to a casino, Nope, You play when you want and you get a lot of reward just via login daily and events related with the love of creators of the game and the community itself

@HarumNasiku

Жыл бұрын

wtf dude, still falling for the daily login and limited event trap, thats like the basic of gacha 101, i thought you're already cured 😂

Gacha games are not made for gamers, it's obviously made for the company that's why I literally don't play them at all.

Me, who only plays Minecraft and Roblox Jailbreak.

I hate gambling, I hate gacha

I play two games and I never spent a penny. You need to take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming others. That's like blaming the casino for my gambling addiction.

@phiuzu5487

11 ай бұрын

It's not simple. Ppl don't become addicts without influence from a lot of complex factors. Also while there are individuals who are to be blamed for gambling that doesn't mean the casino can't be blamed for it. Its ironic how you're using cliche type excuses that the blame is only on the one side and make yourself be a manchild by adding a lie to a certain truth. Responsibility isn't only on one side it's on all sides who are participating in immorality.

@darkestnutoftheabyss3641

9 ай бұрын

@@phiuzu5487 "It's the child's fault for gambling, not the adults that manipulated the psychology of that child, causing them to gamble" - Deluded Genshin Impact players in a nutshell

@phiuzu5487

9 ай бұрын

@@darkestnutoftheabyss3641 agreed, deluded genshin impact players are blind, biased, and dangerous. They literally spread their toxicity as a plague. It's really unfortunate how ppl who genuinely suffer from gambling are blamed for baseless reasons and told "hey, keep yourself in control just like I do, you'll be fine" which is extremely bizarre since there are people among them who later become addicts which is a self refutation of their reasoning and that it doesn't justify the predatory actions of mihoyo towards both children and adults, even if there are adults who can actually control themselves

@phiuzu5487

2 ай бұрын

​@@darkestnutoftheabyss3641 man to think a lot of time has passed away. I'm surprised I commented so many months ago. While I did see your reply back when you commented and upvoted it, I will have to say sth since I realized and learned sth a while back. It's Deluded gacha players as well. A lot of them don't even care they're feeding and bootlicking these unethical companies and are shameless enough to admit it

Gatcha games are going to be the future of the video game industry far more people don't care if it is or not.

@Uohhhh777

Жыл бұрын

The same reason i lost interest in video games didn't played AAA since 2019

@ricogt7092

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I still play games just not a lot of modern ones

You can use free currency to pull gacha. This is not considered gambling since you did not use any money to pull

@phiuzu5487

11 ай бұрын

Sure you can but the problem you're oversimplifying the system. Just because you can use free currency does not mean the aspect which is a core one, where you use actual money to pull gacha is not gambling. It IS gambling.

@justthere845

10 ай бұрын

Still is gambling and I can assure you that the game is still extremely grindy if you didn't pay for pulls

@phiuzu5487

10 ай бұрын

@@justthere845 exactly!

Gambling Musou games

Well said buddy they are free to play for a GOOD REASON 🤑

Tectone says bad things about gacha

I play garcha games without paying a cent I’m I really gambling I don’t hurt myself others or my bank account

@WeebusSupremus

2 жыл бұрын

Well, from an economic perspective, any sort of activity you take is an opportunity cost. So, when you roll on a gacha game, even if it's free, you still have to play the game for the chance of getting a certain character or item. You could've used this time to do something else, like working or doing something else. In essence, when you play a gacha game for free, you're not gambling your money, but your time. I'm not saying that gacha games are bad, if you enjoy them and you just want to relax, all the power to you! Just keep in mind that there's no such thing as a free lunch.

@MifuneTakumi45

2 жыл бұрын

yeah it's either time consuming or money consuming, it's a zero sum game

@saviletotorres143

Жыл бұрын

@@WeebusSupremus Te das cuenta que en cualquier caso que quieras tener un descanso y hacer algo es un coste de oportunidad? Si me pongo a leer para relajarme un poco también estoy perdiendo un tiempo que puedo utilizar para avanzar algún trabajo o algo similar. Tu argumento se basa en que conseguir objetos u otros items necesarios para invocación son solamente para conseguir el personaje o algo similar considerando que es su única razón para estar en el juego lo cual para muchos (yo incluido ) no es el caso. No todo el mundo viene para hacer apuestas como tú dices si no porque le gusta jugar el juego , los personajes , la historia.... No todo el mundo que juega es un adicto a las apuestas.

Why curse out FG3000 before you curse out the developers of the gacha games?🤔 It's optionally free to play. Aren't these the only options the developers gave us? Most of your vitriol toward content creators is misguided. Yes gambling is wrong, but that's not the consumers fault it's in the children's games, It's the developers fault. Though I agree with your assessment of gambling ruining the environment, targeting content creators is just as wrong.

Real changes in the gatcha game landscape? Like whats your solution? Psh you people would never be satisfied because the "real change" you are looking for is removing it entirely. Causes problem for children and predatory? If you don't a modicum of self control yeah. I actually like games with gatcha mechanics. The way progression works, resource management, and the thrills of the spin appeal to me. I see gatcha like soft drinks. Yeah it would probably massively benefit the world if they were zap'd out of the market cause hey it causes (Health/Gambling) risks in kids and "vulnerable" adults, no inherit benefits aside from making you happy. Personally though id never agree to it and I hope those "real changes" never come to pass.

I use to spend money on Genshin and I lowered it down to monthly. After that I stopped and will remain F2P. I still play gacha games yet I won't spend money.

In recent years Gacha games ain’t gambling anymore if there is a pity or a “guarantee” implemented. Imagine walking to a slot machine at a casino and seeing a note that says “on the 10th attempt you are guaranteed to hit a jackpot” it’s more like a tedious grind fest that it is gambling nowadays. Even then if you see a game has trash rates you always have the freedom to not play it. Lastly if you dive in into a gacha game only because it has “cool characters” then that’s a very bad sign since you don’t play because of gameplay alone

I certainly don't believe gacha systems are the same as loot boxes, one example of that is when you get a duplicate item on a roll (at least on genshin and Mihoyo's other game Honkai Impact 3rd) they can still be more worthwhile for other rewards and upgrades, even though they end up piling up once you get those same rewards, meanwhile in lootboxes where you basically get diminishing returns out of duplicates and the rates are also really bad. Granted, this alone also depends on how each system operates Not saying one is better than the other necessarily, but just making the distinction of how they operate based on my experience.

@WeebusSupremus

3 жыл бұрын

I feel that I should be a little more clear about my opinions. In my opinion, the real problem is less with duplicate items in these games and more about the gambling features that are prominent in their design. Even if a game like Genshin Impact or Fate GO completely removed all duplicates in rolls, it would still fall well within the definition of gambling. You could argue that this is less toxic, but it still is. Although some games do not use duplicate items, the odds of getting a good character are so low in these games that it could be made into a Vegas slot machine. That is what I'm ultimately concerned with when deciding what is gambling and what isn't.

@FlameSkull95

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeebusSupremus Understood

@jevs1555

2 жыл бұрын

Expect it is. What?

@FlameSkull95

2 жыл бұрын

@@jevs1555 even if they aren't, at the end of the day they're still predatory, specially in games rated for young audiences in mind, plus I'd figure that making this comparison is pointless if the end goal is the same

In this video, you could substitute "gacha games" with "games/drugs/sex/work/social media". Substitute "gambling addiction" with just "addiction" and it would sound pretty much the same. Your video is pretty much just an elaborate hypothesis. This is like saying "gaming causes addiction so it should be age restricted" or "giving assignments at school is like programming children to have unhealthy work life balance". They're good points to entertain but without facts, statistics, or research to paint the reality of the situation, they're just hypothesis and don't hold much weight until proven. You know what else is gacha? Card packs. So yu-gi-oh, pokemon, and MTG have been guilty of this but it hasn't shown any noticeable repercussions unlike gaming and drug addiction which are known to be more prevalent nowadays. It's important to come in with numbers if your statement is this bold. You might be making a mountain out of a molehill.

@LeTzPlaY100

2 жыл бұрын

@who tao nah in almost anything, moderation is key. That's how you avoid addiction. This applies to gacha as well. Trust me. I play gacha too and i make sure to manage my time appropriately. *Gacha, much like sex, gaming, social media, or alcohol* is just a thing that's there. It's not inherently bad or good. The way people deal with it determines if it's harmful or not. If managed properly, it could actually be beneficial. *Reason why I like gacha (I play Azur Lane):* Gacha is beneficial to me because it's very PvE in nature. I'm free to go at my own pace. There are days when I would prefer a relaxed gaming session over a competitive PvP. To me, all gacha games are just like Pokemon. Your goal is to collect and overcome obstacles except the game is designed to be endless which in my opinion is the best thing about it. It's a journey until you get tired of it. *So to me, it's not even about the adrenaline of pulling in gacha.* It's more about the peace it gives me. It's the game that i wanna play when i just don't feel like being competitive. It also gives me a sense of accomplishment when i see how my lineup steadily got stronger through the course of my journey. I also like how i could auto farm in the background while i'm doing other stuff. *I'm aware that not all people play gacha in a healthy manner like I do but yeah. There have to be numbers to prove how "unethical" these practices are.*

@LeTzPlaY100

2 жыл бұрын

@Ayanokôji definitely not low. I don't play gacha anymore but i just made conscious effort to not overspend. How low do you have to be in life to insult a stranger without even proposing a solid argument? As i've said, he needs to come with numbers to justify how problematic it is. Afaik, all people i know who play gacha could manage their expenses in a healthy manner. I don't know anyone who has fallen bankrupt due to gacha. Again, everything he said also applies to people who buy card packs for yugioh and magic but as we could see, there's no real study to back up how "problematic" it is. His video is basically a hypothesis because it's not backed by research. If you can't argue with me based on research and facts, gtfo.

@LeTzPlaY100

2 жыл бұрын

@Zold even so, telling people how to spend their hard earned money is just off. I'm sure you wouldn't let me do that to you either. Back then, i really didn't understand spending on cosmetics in game such as skins or loot boxes. But i eventually understood. A lot of people do. In the first place, if that doesn't sell, companies would stop doing it. Anyway, all i wanna say is that you don't have to understand. You just have to keep an open mind. You can't talk like other people are wrong just because they don't think the same way you do. You even opened with an insult. It ahould be fine as long as it's not an addiction. In the event that it is, blame the individual not the company. After all, taking responsibility for your own actions seem to be more constructive than just pointing fingers at things around you.

@WhatIsMyPorpoise

2 жыл бұрын

Going "prove your point with facts" is redundant when your statements are equally bold. Saying gaming has noticeable repercussions(and accidentally putting it on the same level as drugs) and equating card packs as gacha. Is gacha based off the card pack model? Yes. Cowever, card packs are physical products, buy them and you have an item of variable potential value to you as a memento of your purchase. If a gacha game stops support? Goodbye investments. They are digital rewards that can completely disappear after a line of bad sales. To add to that, most gacha games are designed to pull the user in and bring the user closer and closer to the gacha pulls to interact with new content to use people's time investment against them. Virtually every gacha game will have valuable weekly events and daily rewards that push players to return constantly to the game, many of which have limited releases. These games apply pressure onto people, these are literally *psychological traps* being used against players _many of which are children._ No card pack company calls the user every week to tell them of this amazing card pack deal that is exclusive that month with cards that may well never appear again. When you hear that, you think "sounds kinda like a scam", right? And shouldn't that apply to games who do similar things as well? If you say, just learn restraint. Then you're shrugging off the main problem. Not everyone gets to learn those lessons. Most children haven't learned those lessons, and a significant amount of teenagers are still weak to these methods. And even adults don't get away free. Not everyone gets good parenting out there and not everybody learns restraint(schools don't teach life lessons, yadda, yadda). But that inevitably means there is a decent amount of people, likely more significant a portion than you may think, that would be quite vulnerable to the practices of games like these. And games that exploit the living shit out of a limited few? I view that as disgusting. You may think "Nobody I know would fall for that, so I don't care". Ultimately, that's about personal morals. These games have pathetically few restrictions. Most decently physically dangerous drugs are outright illegal across the world, softer ones being illegal up to a a decided age of adulthood. Casinos have bouncers and even sex has its own legal consequences for misbehaviour. Work leads to something at least. And social media... it has its own set of issues. Sure most of these rules get broken here and there behind closed doors. But why do gacha games so openly get away with so much so lightly?

@WeebusSupremus

2 жыл бұрын

Gambling isn't "bad" per se, the issue is the marketing of gacha games. They don't properly label themselves as games with gambling mechanics. They label themselves as games with "pulls". That's my gripe with these games. And it saddens me even more that the community KNOWS it's gambling, yet they they demand no change.

Get ready for Persona 5 X :night of the phantom

Yes you gamble but it’s up to the person to manage their addiction if they fall to it that is pretty much on them

Look, In the end, I don't care. I'm always F2P. I'm playing gacha games beause of the story. The lore. The world. The characters. THE MUSIC(Seriously, Gacha games have amazing music). I don't care if there is a gacha system. It's not like A PVP game, like FIFA. As long as you have self-control, Then there is nothing wrong with playing a gacha game. And in the end, I don't about other people. It's their problem. Not mine. Regardless, I can respect your opinion.

@tatagraihanugerah6065

Жыл бұрын

Yeah me too, i played mobile gacha games because im interested to the game, character design, lore and music. Dont get me wrong i'd say lie if i don't care about gacha i do care but it's not the main point i download and play these games and i keep stay f2p because "i don't want support gacha mechanics" in video game, the only i spend my money in mobile games is a rythm games (arcaea) that you buy directly the song packs without worrying about the rates and i currently bought Grid Autosport a premium game and it's much more worth for me

@user-ln4so5fp5r

Жыл бұрын

@@tatagraihanugerah6065 You do you. I don't spend money simply because i can't.

@tatagraihanugerah6065

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter as long you enjoy and having fun with the game you played, everyone has their own choice and reason

@tatagraihanugerah6065

Жыл бұрын

For me i just don't want to spend anything if i can't directly get item i purchased

@user-ln4so5fp5r

Жыл бұрын

@@tatagraihanugerah6065 Like i said, you do whatever you want.

Im honestly quite fond of this but he lost me at genshin when he said “it’s quite annoying to go through “boring” gameplay LIKE, WTF GENSHIN IS OP WAIFUS and fun as FU*K THE STORYLINE IS SO GOOD

@Lusc1nt

2 жыл бұрын

Grind is boring. The game is basically about grind and cutscenes

@razgrizfromacecombat5theun220

2 жыл бұрын

the first few hundred hours are fun, but then it just turns into a grindfest and the new content starts feeling like filler, even the archon and character quests

@simonshura9144

2 жыл бұрын

Im just glad my lil bro enjoys the game but free to play since i dont want him to ever get money to blow it on predatory f2p games w rng pulls in them ^^

only 5 thousands people care about gacha as gambling lmao.. this is very unpopular opinion.. please delete your video, your video is a threat to game developer