Me: - watches your video - gets motivated - starts a game - gets crushed - comes back and continues watching

Its positions like this that justify stalemate being a draw and not a loss as some chess players have advocated.

@GMPranav

6 ай бұрын

I mean, the rule of stalemate being a draw is what makes this position is interesting, not the other way around. If the rule was not there, it will make the middle game more intense as even a small material deficit would lead to a loss.

@misharatkevich9808

6 ай бұрын

​@@GMPranav "More intense" means "more dry", because you won't be able to take as much risks. Also, there are some stalemate positions like e.g. white with king on a8 and pawn on a7, black king on c7 where "stalemate is a loss for the stalemated side" makes no sense anyway. Stalemate being a draw really is the best option.

@RedBloodAura

6 ай бұрын

Having it be a loss is dumb, the player that put them in stalemate shouldn't have done that

@Tzizenorec

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBloodAura I think any argument why stalemate shouldn't be a loss also leads to the conclusion that Zugzwang shouldn't be a loss. It's just a fairly arbitrary consequence of rules that were put in place for unrelated reasons. ("You must move in order for the game to continue" and "You cannot legally move the king into check.")

@TheElihs

6 ай бұрын

On the contrary, the existence of such positions, where one player has a clearly favorable position, yet their opponent can manage to claim a draw essentially on a technicality, justifies that stalemate should indeed be a loss, not a draw. That the stalemate rule "manufactures" interesting positions where there should be none is not a good justification.

Stockfish notes that 1.Rgg8, 1.Rhg8 and 1.Rh7 also draw, by various devices. For example, 1.Rhg8 Qh6+ 2. Rh2 Qc6+ 3.Rhg2 f4 4.Rg6 attacking the Queen, preventing the pawn from advancing, and keeping the Queen away from the h-file 4...Qe4 (otherwise, White continues to harass the Queen) 5.Rg4 pinning the pawn (other moves lose), and now White is threatening Rxf4+ with the same stalemate as in the main puzzle. Black's only maneuver to avoid that is 5...Qh7+, but after 6.Rh2, Qb7+ 7.Rhg2, f3, 8.Rf4, f3 (there is nothing else to try), 9.Rf4 (preventing the pawn from capturing) Ke1 10.Rgg4 f2+ 11.Re4+ Kd1 (If Kf1 12.Kh2, and White simply moves the King about, and Black's King is stuck) 12.Kg2, and Black can't promote the pawn.

@liamsun2543

6 ай бұрын

This is a tablebase position, and yes these moves all draw according to tablebase.

White to play and draw what's your move? Me: *Blunders mate in 1*

Didn't see the initial Rh4, but after that I saw all stalemate traps, good one!

@aaronbredon2948

6 ай бұрын

I saw that Rh4 was the only way to stop black pushing the pawn without giving up on protecting the king from checkmate. All other moves were obvious losers. After that, the stalemate trap was the only real option.

@lol101lol101lol10199

6 ай бұрын

Same. It was the kind of solution I was looking for too, but the actual moves involved aren't really "in sight" until you put the rook on h4.

Lucky me, I found the solution. This chess puzzle is 157 years old, and still fascinating.

Nelson’s puzzles really deserve to be called beautiful

@billiethekid6407

6 ай бұрын

I hate to ruin it for you but this puzzle is not his, it's a famous puzzle from the 19th century.

Question what would happen if you moved to king to h2. Seems like it could possibly limit some of what Queen is able to do with the corner

@TomBarrister

6 ай бұрын

1Kh2 loses the Rook on h8 to Qe5+

Brilliant! Thanks. Have a nice weekend.

Nalimov database saying 4 white move give to draw position the white. Rh4, Rg2-g8, Rh8-g8 and Rh7

@mythbusters866

6 ай бұрын

2:17 if black play f4 white play only one moves to draw and that is Rg8-g6

Eric Rosen sees this and solves it instantly 😂

Chess Vibes ist back with amazing puzzles, keep it going, we love them

As pointed out by others, Rhg8 also draws. At 2:20, Rg8-g6 is only drawing move. I tried myself Qe4 Rg6-g4 (only drawing move) Qh7+ Rh2 Qb7+ Rh2-g2 f3, and here I missed the amazing Rf4 that leaves the rooks not protecting each other and one of them attacked by the pawn, but the pin of the pawn just saves the draw. Any other move looses.

I found Rf8 with the same idea, but the queen can end up on f5 not f4, so it doesn't work. But I was close 😁

🤯 Your ability to utilize stalemates never ceases to amaze me

Solved very effortlessly

Please sir make a video on Derdle's Draw position

2 solutions: 1. Move the king up out of the corner away from the enemy king. 2. Play better to not get stuck in this position.

Just wanne say, according to the computer, Rg8 is a draw (it starts by telling -1 but ends up with a clean 0).

@loglorn

6 ай бұрын

What's the line though?

@a.y.102

6 ай бұрын

Just wanna say, for the cases with only few pieces (and pawns) left (up to 7 including the 2 kings), it's better to use (an engine with) a tablebase than an engine which doesn't automatically use the tablebase when applicable.

Found it! What a beautiful solution!

It seems more logical for stalemate to be a loss. Both players play by the same rules. That's just part of the game.

Beautiful. Didn't see it at first

What would be wrong if its white to play and move rook from G2? It doesn't leave the king in check and could make the opponent try something other than suggested in the video? Something like G2-B2? Yes the black king could put white in check bur the next move white could put black into check width B2-B1 forcing the black king to F,G or H2. Wouldn't that work?

great problem👍👍

After the first move it become really easy.

Let say you are playing a tournament game and final position of this puzzle is on the board. You are playing black and this is your last game. Would you capture on f2 with your King or Queen ? Stalemate either way, but sometimes your decision will matter. Perhaps in not so distant future all ties will be broken by engine evaluation and you might want to make the move that engine considers stronger. . If you are even with opponent in points and you make stronger move, you will have an advantage and first place. And if you end the game with second best move, you get lower grade from engine, giving advantage to your opponent.

To be honest don't see the 1st rock sacrifice but see instantly the second.Of course it's way easier.

Could you actually win this by moving the king to h2 and rook to g8

@TomBarrister

6 ай бұрын

1.Kg2 Qe5+ picks up the Rook on h8. However, 1.R(either)g8 is a draw.

I always walk into traps like this with pants down.... I almost always promote pawns to rooks for this reason...

I was thinking Rook to g3 before I noticed the other rook at the h file

What if white King captures the rook on f2 instead of the black Queen doing it?

I thought it was Rf2+ but that wasn't it!

I love having 2 rooks against a queen

super game.

I dont know how i did see this but i did it.

RF2+======

I saw it all 🙂.

Wow i found the solution by... trying :)

This is draw with 4 moves not with just 1.

1RH4===

Offer a draw and hope the other player accepts?

Almost saw the move but my screen blocked out the 8th rank, and I missed the second rook. But I did spot the killer f2 spot for the white queen.

Dieu.

stalemates are fake. if i surround your king w guns and your king says "well i aint movin so call it a draw?" BANG ded, i win. end of debate

Truly a fascinating position. That draw was certainly well deserved.

found the answer in 1 minute

@mythbusters866

6 ай бұрын

Rh4 is draw move Rg2-g8 is draw move Rh8-g8 is draw move Rh7 is draw move

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@lau99917

6 ай бұрын

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@Chomta

6 ай бұрын

Shut UPPP

@Chomta

6 ай бұрын

NO ONE CARES

@Niko10923

6 ай бұрын

@@Chomta someone’s angry

@lau99917

6 ай бұрын

@@Niko10923 yep