The "Oberth Effect" is actually a scale of measurement more closely related to how likely your ship is going to explode at rest - determined anywhere between 0, which equals your ship is, in fact, not an Oberth Class and probably wont explode at rest, to 1, which equates to your ship being an Oberth Class and will probably explode at rest.

@gewinnste

6 ай бұрын

What?

@Nalehw

6 ай бұрын

@@gewinnste Oberth class ships in Star Trek are a kind of small starship which is usually used for science, not fighting. Notable examples include the USS Grissom (which was accidentally destroyed in a single shot by Klingons who were just trying to disable it), the SS Vico (which blew itself up while exploring a gravitational phenomenon), and the USS Pegasus (which tested a phasing device and got stuck inside a rock), so... they've gained a bit of a reputation in the fandom for being deathtraps.

I personally see the slingshot effect is a just a delightful bit of Star Trek silliness with no basis in science. On the other hand, if I were to speculate how it works, my guess is that the time travel is enabled by the warp field generated by the ship interacting with the gravity well of the star. It has been mentioned that traveling faster than light is essentially traveling backwards in time. Perhaps by using the gravity well of a star and slingshotting around it at the right angle it allows for a controllable traversal through time as opposed to something uncontrolled using other methods.

I've heard that the Oberth effect is quite... explosive. I'll see myself out.

What I never understood was why if they could travel in time, they didn’t go back into the distant past to prevent the Romulans from becoming a nuisance for the board. In fact, why didn’t other races discover this, and use it as well

@destronia123

6 ай бұрын

Because, though time dilation can occur, it only goes forward. There's no "storehouse" of past events to go back to, just the continuous process of entropy.

@FablestoneSeries

6 ай бұрын

Well i mean, they do. Hence the temporal wars. I'd like to see them do a series from the perspective of Wesley Crusher and the temporal agents, but i have a feeling it would be less like Star Trek and more like Doctor Who. Every science fiction has these threads that are best not tugged on or they'll threaten to unravel the entire universe.

@FablestoneSeries

6 ай бұрын

@@destronia123 in the real universe, sure, but Star Trek, like it or not, is more akin to fantasy that reality. Quite a lot of trek "science" is effectively impossible. teleportation, warp drive, all of it, as much as i love it, is nonsense. My favorite are the McGuffins. Red matter for example. Or some magical technical component that does wondrous things yet is small enough to fit in your pocket, like a slipstream drive, or a cloaking device that makes the ship invisible but is the size of a baseball and you just plug it into the computer like it were a USB drive. Face it, Star Trek is ludicrously silly.

@PeterSigurdson

6 ай бұрын

@@FablestoneSeries in Isaac Asimov’s foundation series they solve the problem by the distant future people going back to prevent time, travel from falling into the hands of the masses, and only the elite controller to prevent that exact thing from happening

@sciverzero8197

6 ай бұрын

Clearly there's some Rocco's Basilisk stuff going on(If you're still reading this it means you helped create it somehow, you're welcome). Though in reality its explained by Voyager and Enterprise... in that sometime around the 25th century (IIRC) the Federation and many other races develop time travel so matter of factly that its basically a natural development for their civilizations' scientific progress and could never be prevented, only forestalled, and thus many different cultures developed temporal control agencies, which go to temporal war with each other... and are also tasked with preventing anyone in the past from spreading knowledge of time travel until it cannot be stopped. According to those shows, many people living in those cultures in the present day relative to the show's MAIN cast, are actually from multiple different points in the future as sleeper agents placed for long term maintenance of the timeline, as well as some who go back at specific moments to prevent specific events from happening, including ships time traveling when they shouldn't, and people from the future trying to influence the past... so... there's an entire shadow war even bigger than the whole section 31 thing going on at all points in history, as a matter of fact... and part of that war, is sending people back in time to make sure no one _ever_ notices it going on. And since there's _theoretically_ an infinite amount of people to send back and ensure that that happens, and an infinite amount of time to calculate how best to make that happen.... they succeed. Just... as a matter of them wanting that to happen, they automatically succeed, because infinite resources and no way to circumvent it that can't itself be circumvented from ever happening. Why was it allowed to happen for Kirk et al? Probably because some instances of time travel were actually vital to the timeline staying undisturbed. For example if Kirk never went back in time, its possible the time agency wouldn't have been developed when it was supposed to. tl;dr Time travel didn't happen more often because people from the future stopped it from happening except the times when it was meant to happen, and probably are responsible for every piece of science that ever suggested time travel shouldn't be possible.

Ever since I heard the description of a closed timelike curve, I've thought it may have added some real-world basis (with the obvious assist of Trek's very wibbly-wobbly science 😁) for the time-travel aspect of the ole' slingshot maneuver, since it sounds very much like it could possibly use a ship's warp bubble to generate a similar effect using only one singularity, or in this case a sun's mass. Great video!

@worldtraveler930

6 күн бұрын

Think of it as the Combination between the ships Warp Bubble and a ships Inertial Dampers as creating a Time Related Dimension In Space!!! 🖖🤠

I really like how Discovery answered both why we never see the Slingshot effect in canon again (even as a mention) and the question of the long range transporters in the Kelvin Timeline. Spock's particularly special brain and exposure to a specific temporal event gave him specific insight to allow him to understand the necessary math, and view space/time in a specific way in order to make it possible. Only he is really able to do it. A few people (Khan, a few members of Section 31) can do the transwarp transporter calculations. (Pretty clear that was how he was getting to Romulus and back.) Even computers aren't able to duplicate these feats. It was very subtle. If you weren't paying attention, you may not even notice they did it; which actually makes it pretty excellent writing. They didn't lampshade it the way so many other retcon answers to things tend to be handled (Klingon foreheads.) It was done in a way that adds to lore and the character without directly pointing at the things it solved.

A noble effort to explain something so bonkers! 😁👍

An awesome question and answer video

You miss that the first time travel was in The Naked Time where they did an implosion in the warp core to bring the engines back online.

I was one of those viewers who understood the spacetime diagrams part before you explained them..! Took me a sec to remember that’s their other name, but yeah. I’m glad you mentioned how all warp drive should cause time paradoxes. Which of course we do kinda see in Trek, they go “eh whatever we see the effect before the cause all the time. Don’t worry about it” which I find pretty funny. But in other cases there does still seem to be meaningful causality, so I like (to try) to square that circle by saying the true speed of causality in the Trek universe (and thus the 45° angle on the diagram) is actually the speed of light in subspace rather than in realspace. (Around 40kLY/Y, a cursed unit akin to kWh.) Therefore “regular” FTL is still below that line, but the slingshot manoeuvre, wormholes, various subspace explosions, etc CAN travel faster/at a more acute angle and that’s why they’re “time travel phenomena”. So in that sense, there’s always various “crystallisation points” on that diagram where a new causality spreads-out from. Or they could be viewed like ripples on water, overlapping and (mostly) cancelling out at a distance but creating a hot mess of causal noise in local space. Which is at once quite disconcerting, but also actually gels quite well with how other time travel episodes discuss timelines in Trek… AND can be viewed akin to both the quantum foam and a different form of many-worlds. So that’s… fun? Existentially exhausting?

And just like that my day gets a little bit better

I really dig those scientific comparsions of yours; you really do a great job of walking the fine line between being (very) precise and easy to understand 👌 Makes me always wonder if you may got a degree in physics 😊

I could see some storyboard writers making an episode where a crew has to time travel via another method to stop these type of time travel methods due to it damaging stars to the point of wibbly wobbly sun turning into a blackhole 😅

The slingshot effect and so much of Trek (the mirror universe, etc) has elements of conceptual truth in it, but they’re extrapolated into areas of fantasy, like Superman spinning the Earth backwards to reverse time. The only modern movie I saw that initially had a really cool quasi-time travel idea was “Deja Vu”. As soon as they go into real time travel instead of just observing, then it goes off the rails (though I’d still trust Denzel Washington to handle time travel better than Kirk or Picard).

@The_Lucent_Archangel

6 ай бұрын

Not from so much a hard science point of view, but the TV adaptation of "12 Monkeys" was rather brilliant in terms of how it handled the potential fallout from employing time travel. Altered history through to a paradox that they kept unwittingly adding knots to as they tried to undo one catastrophe after another.

@davidwuhrer6704

6 ай бұрын

Superman didn't spin the Earth backwards, he was going so fast that the Earth appeared to spin backwards from his frame of reference. At least that was the intent, but the intent isn't obvious from what was shown.

@MetalheadAndNerd

6 ай бұрын

Please. Spinning the earth backwards to reverse time is so dumb, not even Star Wars would have done it.

@davidwuhrer6704

6 ай бұрын

@@The_Lucent_Archangel Twelve Monkeys is brilliant, but they didn't actually alter history, they only tried to. The twist is that they misinterpreted their archaeological evidence. A similar film is Millennium. There they try _not_ to change history, and they don't, but they still have unexpected effects on it. Another interesting take is _Predestination_ but the twist is obvious from the start.

Agreed. Love your show

26st Time Travel has always Facinated me as a kid...... Born 60'....... Time Tunnel was an Awsome show in the 60's ...land of the giants a few others....

I can't be the only one who laughed every time he said thrusting power

Issac Asimov was consulted by both Gene Roddenberry and Leonard Nimoy about scientific theories regarding Star Trek from time to time.

The research used for this video brings up a point I just realized. In your video on how Strange New Worlds killed Canon, where you explain changes in canon on tampering of the timeline due to the temporal wars. But what if, according to the theory that FTL travel causes time paradoxes, that Star Trek's own laws of physics are changing the timeline to some degree? How Star Trek's very mode of travel may be affecting time and creating small changes in it that explain the real world retcons and changes to "canon"?

My general handwave actually involves what they charted in the Minkowski diagram, actually; that relativity says you go back in time if you exceed a certain velocity, 6c, if I recall, but that's of course without a warp field, so what the slingshot manever (somehow) does is actually somehow take away the warp field or let you shut it off at just the right breakaway speed and experience that effect however long without presumably tearing apart or having other likely normal physics happen. (To get back, really all you have to do is the same but spend the return trip at light speed without a warp field and time stands still for you. Not sure how you'd go unobserved that way and you'd end up however many light years from where you were, but it's a handwavey touching base with science. :)

@damientonkin

6 ай бұрын

I actually asked about this with Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen once when they were giving a talk about science communication. Apparently there's something in the formulation of relativity equations that means that if you input a speed faster than light, time starts to go backwards. Now as the basic principles of relativity state that you can't go faster than light this is probably a purely mathematical effect, like dividing by zero but for science fiction purposes it's an interesting thing to play with. In the context of Star Trek the high warp gravity slingshot might cross over between star trek normal FTL by way of warp fields and relativistic FTL.

Just wanted to comment to say I'm a science teacher and I'm impressed with your science explanations

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I personally think some physicists are overthinking the issue. A major point of warp drive is to cancel out the relativistic effects of time dilation. You won't be traveling faster than light. The bubble that you're contained in will be. This is all theoretical stuff. We haven't got a clue on how to do that. We can calculate energies for it but we don't know what kind of mechanism can warp space.

Not super related but it makes me think of FarScape. Which would be an excellent show for you to cover IMO, great aliens etc. Anyway thanks for the cool videos!

Star Trek Online had a great mission where you used this...

In my Universe I remember an episode in STO where Scotty made a "Cold engine start"when Captain Kirk ordered it in a last ditch effort to save the ENTERPRISE from crashing into a planet.This caused the matter-anti matter effect to throw the Ship back in time first.Kirk commented they may risk it sometime again if needed.The episode TOMMOROW IS YESTERDAY was aired afterwards at a later date so there was no SLINGSHOT maneuver.Perhaps ya been fooled by a STARFLEET ruse to hide the secret of time travel from the KLINGON EMPIRE!

I was really looking forward to this one. I've been reading about NASA recent mission's and how they use gravitational slingshot to speed up their probes. Specifically the new orbital mission around the Sun. It's the fastest we've ever launched. It's proximity to the Sun and elliptical orbit has it clocked at well over 315,000 kph! Before that was New Horizons at a paltry 48,000 . 🤘😁🖖🇨🇦

Guinan said it was impossible to leave the Nexus, KIrk had to fight to free that ship from the Nexus, people said, you couldnt just fly into the Nexus. My question is how did Kirk and Picard just walk out of the Nexus?

Thanks, time travel makes my head hurt trying to understand it. Not an easy concept.

Something that occurs to me is that the movement of the Enterprise on the diagram at 7:48 doesn't accurately reflect the movement of the ship in-universe. The warp drive functions by compressing the space in front of the ship, the higher the warp factor the more compressed the space. This seems like it should cause the null line to shift downward at the endpoint or the path of the ship to shit upward relative to the line. Ships in Trek don't "actually" travel faster than light, they compress the spatial distance between two points and when that space reexpands it gives the "illusion" that the ship did. A distance which on a map should've taken 2 years to cover close to lightspeed gets compressed into distance coverable in a 2 week trip.

Thrusting Near the Sun, great band name

Okay here's my thoughts with the proper application of a Flux Capacitor and the ship's Inertial Dampers and Warp Field Bubble in combination with reaching warp 8.8 around a sun will allow the vessel to create a Time Related Dimensional In Space that permits travel in time as well as space!!! 🖖🤠

Yeah I remember this one. It's where the coyote sat on a slingshot and strapped himself to a rocket, because it didn't work to well for the coyote.

Tyler because of the respect I have for you and your content/community, I just upvoted from 420 to 421 upvotes even though it hurt me

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your sacrifice

I got the cricket reference.

Another excellent video!

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

In Early OG Star Trek. I believe in "The Cage" Reboot with the Trail of Spock for returning to Talos against the last remaining Death Penalty in Star Trek is the reference. Capt Kirk calls for "Space Time Warp Factor". As this is Canon, I would ask how this might relate to Warp Speed in a Magnetic Polarized Field to Warp Space Ahead and move like a bubble through "Space Time". Would this not create incalculable time paradoxes? I'm a Hard Core original Trekkie. I know this is Deep Diving, just asking. Love your Feed and Much Respect. Live Long and Prosper.

Commenting to feed the algorithm 🙃.. And, Cool Worlds had great videos 😊

I don't think you did mentioned the TOS episode "The Naked Time" (S1 E4). This is the first time that the Enterprise traveled backward through time. In the episode, they have to risk a cold start of the wrap drive (insert techo-babble here), and after they successfully pulled that off, I think Spock says something like "We are now traveling faster than is possible in normal space." The popular theory in the 1960 was that, if somehow you could travel faster than light, you would start moving backward through time. Remember, wrap drive travels through subspace, so we're talking about normal space. So, I have always thought that the point behind the slingshot effect was to accelerate the ship past light speed in normal space. I will also note that a star is actually moving, quite quickly (I think) through the galaxy, so I would imagine that a gravity assist is still possible using a star but, as you point out, it is relative to the center of the galaxy. Nevertheless, none of the gravity assists are enough to accelerate a ship to faster than the speed of light, so the wrap drive has something to do with it, but it's not that important. Time travel is possible the Star Trek universe, no matter what the Vulcan Science Directorate says.

@nealjroberts4050

6 ай бұрын

I strongly suspect the VSD were lying

Slingshot effect was a real NASA and CCCP-SA term for gravity assist astrophysics in 1966. It had already been used on many probes and was part of the Apollo mission plan. The writers picked up the term from Popular Science.... However either Dorothy Fontana didn't understand it or the VFX post production team on Tomorrow is Yesterday didn't...likely BOTH. The description and original VFX was that of a Dennis the Menace rubber & forked stick slingshot...not a David kills Golliath slingshot. The first movie to do a realistic slingshot maneuver was 2010 in the 80s...and that was aerobraking, not the slingshot effect (reverse of it). However ST4 would utilize almost identical effects to do the slingshot breakaway visuals. That footage would then be edited into TOS in the CGI remaster. The silliness of the idea in the 23rd Century is that the phenomenon would have been long since discovered by FTL ships that Earth must have had for at least two centuries. First thing you'd try and do on an interstellar trip to Proxima Centari is to flyby, venus and mercury to slingshot around the sun. Most ST writers and producers were far from actual scientists like Isaac Asimov was...so they do technbabble instead.

Pioneered in concept by Ricky Bobby. "Slingshot engage!"

Omuamua basically did that it sped up changed direction but doubt it traveled in time.

Aint it a kinda " Reach Around " !🇨🇦

Why was Sulu the thumb nail for this. Should of been Spock. Anyway great video. Love your content.

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Lol man I've got like 3 other videos with Spock in the thumbnail, they can't all be Spock in the thumbnail XD

You know, I just realized that John DeLancey looks ALOT like Adam Ant... Perhaps he did a stint as Adam Ant in Earth's history??? 😅. Same personality... 😊

2:34 the sound gets crackly when you said Time Warp.

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Yep, that happens with lav mics sometimes :(

Awesome explanation! Thanks for the great vid! Here's one for the algorythm! :^D

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Thanks James!

I'm thinking a ship moving at warp 8 would pass a star so fast it would be lucky to notice it much less be slingshot by its gravity but an interesting video none the less.

A burn done during periapsis of an orbit will multiplicatively apply to the apoapsis' velocity. V^2 ... therefore adding more V to the already maximum V, increases the most efficient way possible, through conventional means. Periapsis is where the orbit is most sensitive to interaction, in other words.

Hey Tyler, The Guys here!!

Neat video. But even if a ship below the null line and seeing events out of sequence, there's no (current) way of telling anyone about it.

It's Friday y'all😂😂😂

@DarrinKemp-lr1cz

6 ай бұрын

No it's not. Slingshot effect makes it Wednesday.

You ever wonder why it takes so long for the Bounty to approach the sun during the Star Trek IV scene? Could it be that the Bounty--as it's gradually picking up speed and getting pulled by gravity, it's gradually going back through time? The sun is never in the same spot and actually moves at a constant speed of 448,000 mph--or 5.88 trillion miles a year--so the Bounty is literally "chasing" the sun back to it's position in the 1980s, and when it slingshots, basically captures the moment in time and out of the sun's gravitational pull. This is why there's a danger to engaging warp drive in-system perhaps.

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I know Star Trek whisks away the problem of time dilation while traveling at warp with warp-field mumbo-jumbo, but I've never seen anything dealing with time dilation while traveling at impulse. Full impulse is ¼ the speed of light, so if you're cruising around a solar system for a month, there's going to be quite the time-dilation to deal with.

I have often wondered how much affect I have the position of the Earth when I jump upwards. The Earth is responding in the opposite direction by an extremely infinitesimal amount, but an amount Nonetheless. Likewise, if you take your spacecraft into a slingshot trip around Jupiter, that planet will also move to an amount greater that it otherwise would have. And for another example, I wonder how much we are affecting Earth’s motion by making all these large windmills with which we are making gobs of electricity.

At the same time can you tag on how warp drives, transporters and phasers work? In practice as opposed to theoretical physics.

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

😂 Please tell me you know I made videos on all of those last year

It feels like you should still be able to slingshot a star as is is orbiting in the galaxy, but thr gravity well is really really big

Some pilot at some point in human existence is going to try it. Pilots be pilots. Yeager would be there if he could.

@withershin

6 ай бұрын

My own reply. Oh the real real is easy more I should not have to work Google for this word. I guess I hit the line.

Another great video. I have some theories about how all of this relates to how I think transporters might work without 'killing' the person, and has to do with the 'Checksum codes' that Quantum physicists believe they've discovered in the underlying math of the universe. Basically, the universe itself has error-correcting codes built in, so if you create an 'impossible problem' (paradox) on-purpose, and understand the underlying math, you can get the universe to auto-correct and send you to _where It thinks you out to be_ (or when). This harkens back to some things I was working on in relation to some of Tesla's experiments on electromagnetic fields and the event know as the 'Philadelphia Experiment', and is even based on some science NASA was working on in the 70's (something called a 'Torus Drive', which is similar in function to a wormhole generator). Basically, travel in any direction - even through time - should be possible if you can 'trick' the universe into thinking you aren't where/when you are supposed to be. ST's saying 'math is involved' in getting to the correct time period is perfect, because you'd literally be hacking the Universe's source-code once you generated a time paradox with the slingshot maneuver.

Guinan said, "Sorry, we don't serve time travelers here." A time traveler walked into Ten Forward.

It "warps" space time, unlike warp that only warps space!

In cannon there is no charge to the warp scale.

5:13 happened again here

Fall faster and faster, then fire your thrusters at the fastest point on the far side of the body

Unless you add in the magic of "jumping to warp" or some other sci fi explanation to complement the slingshot, I'm pretty confident under GR you'd only ever be able to approach but never surpass light speed limit - otherwise we'd be able to witness stellar events doing this already. But even gamma rays and gravitational waves from the strongest possible conditions (far stronger than those exerted by Sol as used in at least ST:IV) like binary supermassive black holes orbiting each other, this just doesn't - and reasonably from the maths we believe - can't happen. Great video though as always otherwise! 😊

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

I mean, I don't disagree at all...warp is essential to Trek's slingshot maneuver, I'd say ;) Glad you enjoyed it!

well in the pilot thier speed factor was a “Time Warp Factor” so yeah no biggie

Why do gravity assists not work with the sun? wouldn't one just move in relation to the galactic core instead of the sun?

If you can go back in time it means someone's present "already happened", thus your future already happened for someone else....and nobody has come back in time to show us that. You can't go back in time.

My issue with warp speed maneuver around the star is ridiculous… I mean let’s say the vehicle is 50,000 miles from the surface of the Star… that’s what, 1million miles diameter? So, 4 million miles circumference… at warp 8 or higher… you would be in a different star system in the blink of an eye… it makes no sense…

Nah the Oberth effect is when you get a lucky shot by accident when trying to disable the ship

@DunestrikeMorgan

6 ай бұрын

@@discobolos4227 absolutely. As far as i know only 6 people ever escaped the Oberth class. Kirks son, the vulcan woman that i forgot the name of, that child that imitated Data, Riker, that one admiral and Dr. T'ana. Probably more but thats all i know rn.

@DunestrikeMorgan

6 ай бұрын

Its like the redshirts of starships

Isn't that what Superman did?

Ok

You are going Riker bearded, Tyler Getting a bump of some thousands of kmh, with a star 🤔 Going at something like warp speed, I still don't know how to do it and curve. A warp bubble as it's Alcubierre's elucubration, would fLIck the poor star... A little bump when going so fast, still not circa c... it won't accelerate it enough to make a difference, and it's unlikely something so fast would be caught in a geodesic of spacetime. My dear friend Tyler. I accept I might be annoying, not my purpose. Now now... Black holes are just like any astronomical object with lots of gravity. 🤔 😬 A big one sustains a galaxy around it. The eating phase is not likely to..🧐😬🥺 Are we going to relativity, OK.. 🧐🤓 Oh man... Minkowski VECTOR space is a four dimensions one as always built with manifolds in each point of a Hilbert differentiable space, it means each point is a calculation, not a value itself. Values but eigen, the whole field is varying, not single values. A 2D projection of a Minkowski diagram is not what we use.. No need to go below 4D The slingshot won't work and please quit trying to break causality. CPT, come on! Time wimey quantum is not. It's a clear, easy model to represent our configuration space aka snapshots of every state of the whole field with sets operations Set a U b.. 🤔 😬 Minkowski diagram at its basic point of usefullness is a light cone. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff, and you could use more science without the need for subspace 🧐 Skttyt, I'm neuromanifolded, I'm not trying to piss anyone, it just happens. 😔

time paradoxes don't happen because they can't. From the universal perspective traveling faster than light doesnt break anything. If you travel 65 million light years away instantly you would see earth as it was 65 million years ago then send a signal (traveled to thebpast) but if you instantly traveled back you would see it as it is now (but relatively speaking you just traveled to the future from the past). The universal frame of reference just sees points moving around even though from earth you could see your ship appear and disappear if you waited 65 million years for the light to reach earth. So in the future you could see a ship from the past send a message to the future then return to receive the message it sent from the past in the future.😂

I believe the KZread channel "coolworlds" has a video that goes into ftl travel

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Yep, if you watch the full video I shout them out at the end!

Saying that FTL would violate causality is logically invalid and circular, and no one seems to realize this. FTL would only violate causality if you define the 'happening' of events by ability to measure them via light perception - which is what physicists do now. That is what the Minkowski diagram is based upon (technically, the speed of causality rather than literal light, but FTL changes the speed of causality). Either way, that paradigm makes sense only IF lightspeed (c) is indeed the absolute speed limit. If it is not (if there is some warp workaround), then the paradigm of defining events by light transmission becomes obsolete. In such a reality light would be a mere 'picture show'. Smoke and mirrors of no more meaning than basing events off of when you got a paper letter about it in the you mailbox. Minkowski diagrams are completely irrelevant in such a world.

Is aliens of marvel Guardians of the Galaxy

What puts the fiction in science fiction is its not being actual history.

Say thrust slower.

But why male models?

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Huh? 😂

Stars are not stationary. Our Sun orbits the center of the galaxy in ~230 million years, a galactic year. That's a proper velocity of 828,000 km/hr. If there are possibly billions of rogue planets due to a tragic hyperbolic encounters with their birth stars, we are talking gravity ”throw your arse out the door!” 🏈Hit the road, Jack!

It doesn't work. Not even in-universe. Absolutely nothing about it works as it's explained...not gravity, not time, not stellar dynamics, not any rational variation of warp drives in any form. It's so stupid, that you've made yourself and all of your viewers dumber for having tried to "explain" it. Pretend it doesn't exist, and that it's just a silly production mistake and that they actually used some other more sensible method. That may one day undo the damage you've caused with this.

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

Jesus lol dramatic much

Happy friday the 13th, trek on trekkos. Or trekkers. Trekkies. Worf, OUT!

I have done the time warp several times and it starts with a jump to the left, then a step to the right....🫦⛪☔📰🧑‍🦼⚧️🧛🏍️🏳️‍🌈🏋️🗼🛸👽🪦