for a sec I thought that longplayer was going to be a VERY LARGE vinyl record, swapping over to side B in about 500 years.

@lookitsdivadan

2 жыл бұрын

and it'd still only fill one SunnO))) song on it

@willsterjohnson

Жыл бұрын

a 2867 headline reads "Longplayer record to finish 17.4 seconds late due to grain of sand incident"

I have an axe that is almost 300 years old. The handle has been replaced about 12 times, and the head twice, but it is the same axe.

@arimago

8 жыл бұрын

psst, ship of theseus

@jakesgotgames6465

8 жыл бұрын

going all paradoxical aren't you

@RoScFan

8 жыл бұрын

What's scary is that while you might be joking, our bodies do exactly that.

@77gravity

7 жыл бұрын

The joke is WAY older than that. At least 400 years. And as a philosophical concept, it is over 2,000 years old.

@zealotguy

7 жыл бұрын

i need to correct The Emperor of Mankind. we do replace neurons and brain cells. constantly. I imagine you're quoting the idea that the human brain doesn't heal. which is not true. our human brain doesn't regenerate after severe damage so it won't produce scar tissue. because that does more harm than good to our brains. but our brains are plastic and always changing.

Corporations don't usually last that long. You need a religion.

@valshaped

8 жыл бұрын

+DarKMaTTeR Pray to Longplayer, the one true god

@1906Farnsworth

8 жыл бұрын

DarKMaTTeR Yes, a religion. I understand that Scientology is engraving all the writings of their founder on Titanium plates buried in an underground vault. Maybe this is just a myth. I hope so, but it so sounds like them. What a waste of an expensive metal.

@logan2669

8 жыл бұрын

I can see it now *looks of in to the distance and shouts* "the monks of 1000 year old cats"

@boomerangfreak

7 жыл бұрын

Great idea! We can make relig.... No don't!

@kristantonugraha7367

7 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there. Don't forget the music cue. And the voice.

In Trier, Germany we have a roman city border gate still standing where it was constructed 2000 years ago.

@kingpopaul

7 жыл бұрын

Unless there are people like ISIS around, then old stuff gets kerploded for no reason.

@Arkelk2010

7 жыл бұрын

That is a wonderful gate.

@lynallott3404

5 жыл бұрын

@@kingpopaul Palmyra we are sorry........

@neolexiousneolexian6079

4 жыл бұрын

@zemeon2 It gets kerploded because men are violent and will sometimes take any excuse to cause destruction. So there is definitely a reason.

@dragoxk4542

3 жыл бұрын

@@neolexiousneolexian6079 I’m assuming you meant to say terrorists?

Granite. Lots and lots of granite.

@Despotic_Waffle

6 жыл бұрын

Theomite granite is very brittle

@flowerperson581

6 жыл бұрын

Despotic Waffle yeah. really all you gotta do is build the pyramid of giza 2

@kimberlymaakestad1164

6 жыл бұрын

Giza 2: Tokyo Drift

@JonatasAdoM

6 жыл бұрын

Next to Giza 1?

@JonatasAdoM

6 жыл бұрын

The Twin Pyramids!

I was once part of a team which was asked by National Grid to design a system to last forever. After a few weeks back and forth they finally understood that nothing can be designed to last forever, therefore they compromised: "design it to last 10,000 years please". We did our best and used sound theory and experimentation to show the system could reach the 10,000 year mark, but let's be honest, even if it was an order of magnitude less, it would still be a massive success.

It's interesting that the corporation is seen as an entity that can last 1000 years. Modern corporations tend to have quite short lifespans. They are often taken over or liquadated. Even the biggest firms fail over time. Charitable trusts are something a bit different but they still have the challenge of generating revenue to cover their costs. Over 1000 years the challenges for a project like this become more a case of justifying their existence (and thus generating donations) in a world where culture and perceptions will be so radically different from today.

kinda sad when you think about it, I'd be lucky if i got 10 years out of my laptop; I guess nothing lasts forever. (Except WinRAR trial)

@Ma-pz2fy

6 жыл бұрын

"Except WinRAR trial" :D

@Cabalex

6 жыл бұрын

true dat

@neolexiousneolexian6079

4 жыл бұрын

At the end of those ten years, it will likely be only a single tiny wire on a single component that's broken- which would be almost trivial to fix/replace, if you had the tools and the skills. Very little lasts forever, but humanity could do a lot better if it cared enough to try.

@PanjaRoseGold

3 жыл бұрын

@@neolexiousneolexian6079 The physical lifespan of an object and the practical lifespan are very different things. Computers aren't maintained for 10 years not because they can't be, they certainly can, but because by those 10 years, why not just buy something better?

@Anankin12

3 жыл бұрын

@@PanjaRoseGold exactly. i have changed 3 computers in the last 20 years, but never because they were broken. They are perfectly functioning, they have just become unusable.

I can imagine in a thousand years this having turned into a kind of religion.. ALL HAIL THE SACRED MUSIC OF THE ANCIENTS

@dlbstl

7 жыл бұрын

Olliemath What a thought?! I think it could happen!

@bananobanana1870

7 жыл бұрын

I really hope that people in 1k years won't need religions

@BarginsGalore

3 жыл бұрын

And then when it stops

@allenfogarty2384

3 жыл бұрын

@@bananobanana1870 RAMEN!

@rootabeta9015

3 жыл бұрын

Do you want Tonists? Because that's how you get Tonists

Soooo a bit of a special question: What if that corporation decided that the Longplayer "music" is copyrighted. They are making it so they have the right to do so. Copyright laws are a bit convoluted, but let's fast-forward 150 years. The first part of the song has been played LONG before the copyright cutoff, but the song is still playing in a sense. Are those sounds from 150 years ago still copyrighted (because it is still a production in progress) or is only part of the "song" copyrighted? The more recent part would be copyrighted and somewhere arbitrarily in the song it would transition to public domain. Both cases would seem incredibly weird. Imagine having to pay royalties for sounds that are hundreds of years old. Or imagine only being able to download part of a song for free and having to pay for the other part.

@christophervalkoinen6358

10 жыл бұрын

My suspicion is that the entire thing will be out of copyright before most of it has been played. The copyright is determined as 70 years from the death of the last author. I think that the authors of the project would want to describe this as a single continuing piece of work. Therefore the whole piece will cease to be copyrighted possibly before the end of this century. As I understand it the publication date only comes into play when the author is unknown (at which point it is 70 years from first publication, provided it is published within 70 years from end of the year it's created). Either way the 70 years would probably start counting from the date the recording started to be played unless you could count each day (or other arbitrary unit of time) as a separate work. Furthermore, this rule only applies for the first 70 years since the creation of the piece. Since the creator has to be a person (it can't be the algorithm) the publication rule could only apply to the music played in the first 70 years. All of this assumes of course that the music even counts as a separate creation from the algorithm that generates it.

@TheSlimyDog

10 жыл бұрын

I don't think the music that's being composed is copyrighted by anyone.

@themonkeyhand

6 жыл бұрын

Great question for Leonard French.

@SomeThrillingHeroics

5 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this already, but they can't decide that it's copyrighted - Longplayer is licensed under CC-BY-NC, and that can't be revoked.

@BarginsGalore

3 жыл бұрын

It would be super interesting if fast forward a few hundred years and there was a website live playing the song but with a delay the exact length that copyright holds. Every second a new second would enter the public domain. This would also raise the question about interstellar copyright. If humans get far enough into the universe that it takes a long time for anything to be broadcast to the furthest humans then it would enter the the public domain while still being heard live. All of this assuming that copyright wouldn’t be extended and extended by Disney

Easy. Make it out of stale Italian restaurant bread. Literally impenetrable.

@davidsanderson5918

3 жыл бұрын

SaurK Have you eaten ribolitta though? Delicious!

@Ivytheherbert

3 жыл бұрын

What if I soak it in extra virgin olive oil though?

@BarginsGalore

3 жыл бұрын

Dwarf bread isn’t good until it’s a few hundred years old. A thousands nothing

@etheraelespeon1986

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean the Scone couldn’t have lasted all this time?! q:

This is one of the very few "Things You Might Not Know" videos that I actually knew about before. The "Might" in the name finally has a purpose.

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

Well I didn't know it!

How to make something last 1,000 years? ask nokia

@mistercreeper674

4 жыл бұрын

I hoped to see this comment.

@Dusterisp

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, the good old days.

@klaus7164

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't the brand now Chinese-owned with little to no relation to the original famed Nokia?

@jacquelineliu2641

3 жыл бұрын

@@klaus7164 Wrong. The brand is now owned by HMD Global, which is a Finnish company, and is led by ex-Nokia staff. So it's as close to the old Nokia as you can get. Just look it up on Wikipedia.

@3vorp

3 жыл бұрын

5 years ago and the humor matches today

John Harrison of Longitude fame made a few clocks, some of which have never been repaired, that still work 250 years on. I'd be happy with that.

@EnoVarma

7 жыл бұрын

A brilliant movie, btw. Long live Michael Gambon.

@bjoe385

4 жыл бұрын

Also made Del Boy and Rondney millionaires.

Thought you might be interested in the 10,000 year clock if you haven't seen it. Designed to withstand the tests of time without ANY human intervention, self winding using the sun, built inside a mountain.. pretty impressive :)

Kongō Gumi didn't really go out of business (though it would have). In the end, it was purchased by Takamatsu, retaining its dwindling staff. It is still in business, but it is a wholly owned subsidiary of Takamatsu.

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

That's cool!

You've illustrated this with something that has lasted... 14 years 🤔

@slimeykadenza9293

3 жыл бұрын

21 so far

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

@@slimeykadenza9293 22 years...

@龗

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-df8it 23 years

I'm just going to mention The Clock of the Long Now. It's supposed to last 10,000 years. I did machining work on parts for it about 5 years ago. At this point I don't know if it will ever be finished.

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

Plot twist: It's supposed to take 10,000 years to make!

Watching this after the one about the 3000-year-old art makes me think there's a bit more to what makes something last.

I knew Tom Scott on KZread would not last 1.000 years but he did not last longer than 10 years after he posted this video, bring back Tom Scott to KZread 🙏

Tom: It's hard to make things that last 1000 years. Dinosaur: Hold my bone...

Well, if I remember rightly, the Faversham Fishing Company has been going since 1189 at least, so if we take the FFC as a baseline (it's been going for 831 years) then Longplayer stands a chance. A very outside chance......

brilliant composition you made sir scott.

@steelbrotherhoodof2359

Жыл бұрын

if your this clip could be silent played in front of a orchestra of classicle musicians. and use your hands as a conductor for "a piece of music" whatever somebody chooses. YOU are #%@%@ awesome.

I'm looking forward to the extended club remix.

My grandmother's nipa hut has been owned by the same family for 5 generations.Currently owned by her grandnephews and grandnieces.Or my 2nd degree maternal cousins.

The Pantheon in Rome is 1700 years old and still serves in its original capacity as a place of worship.

Imagine this lasting through the mass extinction just for some bowls

you're taling soft the garden all of my house in wales is thousands of years old. i'm very proud of it.

My friend showed me his Clovis point. I got to hold something made by a man 12,000 years ago.

_How Do You Make Something Last 1,000 Years?_ Galvanise it.

@neolexiousneolexian6079

4 жыл бұрын

And when the zinc runs out?

@mattbermo1958

4 жыл бұрын

Neolexious Neolexian galvinise it.

I did not know until recently that the project was started by Jem Finer, of the great band The Pogues.

Make it of stone, and make it as strong as possible. The Pont du Gard is a good example, having lasted (unfortunately not in a working condition), since its construction, whicdh was finished probably some time between 40 and 60 AD.

Is this what Jeb is doing with his leftover guac bowls?

@wowhellothere7861

8 жыл бұрын

+Baeagon Were you in the Kaiju leaugue?

@realCyng

8 жыл бұрын

+wow hello there Ye, who's this?

@wowhellothere7861

8 жыл бұрын

Baeagon You remember Tramick?

@realCyng

8 жыл бұрын

+wow hello there Yes

@wowhellothere7861

8 жыл бұрын

Baeagon its me

Easy: put it in space. If it's not made of something destroyed by the environment of space, and it's not in a decaying orbit, it will likely last for millions of years.

@gwenynorisu6883

6 жыл бұрын

That's all well and good until you consider the possibility of something colliding with it. Presumably you include micrometeorites under the definition of the "environment of space", but if you're building something resilient enough to survive 1000 years of _that_ kind of punishment, well... it's not so "easy" any more. If you built it that strong, it would easily last more than 1000 years on Earth, too.

@MarianKeller

5 жыл бұрын

@@gwenynorisu6883 The space environment just has different difficulties than leaving something on earth. Collision with micrometeorites are quite rare and can be easily protected against, especially if there aren't many exposed instruments, antennas, or solar arrays. Cosmic radiation is a big concern for any kind of microelectronics or MEMS components over such a timescale, so such a satellite would need to operate on thermal gradients and clever macro-scale mechanisms. Maybe a spark-gap transmitter that charges up and transmits a morse signature every year? On earth, you'd have no problems with cosmic radiation or micrometeorites, but now there's corrosion due to water, damage by storms and earthquake, animals and plants trying to reclaim your machine, human vandalism, etc.

@drabberfrog

4 жыл бұрын

@@gwenynorisu6883 The chances of it colliding with something are very small

One of the few videos where I can tell that Tom's wearing braces. Dunno who his ortho was, but they did a great job. (Though I have a lot of affection for his original wonky teefs.) 🥰

Hopefully life extension will be available near future

every step towards your goal, is a inner discussion wheither you are wrong or right.

You should make a video about the Long Now Foundation's 10,000-year clock. A giant mechanical beast, built inside of a hollow mountain out of exotic ceramic materials, made to for last as long as human civilization has existed, on its own, with no oversight or repair.

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

That's cool!

the thousand year reich didn't last that well.

It's one thing to say you'll last a thousand years, but it's quite another to pull it off. This idea you're presenting requires active participation over many, many generations, who all have to buy in to the idea that this is important enough to keep maintaining. If any one generation doesn't have sufficient buy-in, it fails. This music program is a high-maintenance project (electricity, upgrades, etc) with relatively small, niche buy-in. I'm not optimistic: most social structures are not that durable, particularly these niche ones with high maintenance requirements. So how can something *really* last a thousand years? Easy: make something durable that requires little or no maintenance at all. The Pyramids, the Greek Parthenon and many other stone structures fit the bill, as does most modern plastic. Future generations will remember ancient Egyptians for their pyramids, and modern Americans for their trash. ^_^

@Palifiox

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Hale I couldn't agree more. To last a thousand years, you need something in ceramic or stone, too heavy and too intrinsically valueless to be stolen, needs no or little maintenance and in a location where it unlikely to be demolished for any other purpose. Those brass bowls are an invitation to metal thieves.

@gavinkemp7920

6 жыл бұрын

actually most of our discovery of ancient civilisations was in their trash not in their ceremonial buildings. and we will have our fair share of wonders for futur generations. just the satellites and the moon landing are going to be a huge testament to our civilisation.

Of course, the moment I think, "AH! I've found a video idea for Tom Scott to do!" and you've already done it.

We're never gonna hear most of this composition. Same with that one John Cage piece. Interesting to think about.

that camera quality is pretty amazing!

@ZL123

10 жыл бұрын

I've seen a video with 2160p... ...which was insane, I must say.

@goeiecool9999

10 жыл бұрын

ZL123 Do you have a 4K monitor? Otherwise there shouldn't be much of a difference

Something you might not know Tom. The Great Pyramid of Giza is the oldest of the seven wonders and - appropriate in the context of your video - the only one still standing

There is a pub in Ireland that has been in business since the 900's.

@MidtownSkyport"average building lasts just one year" Where?! Europe's got plenty of churches / cathedrals which have been standing for ~800 years, the UK's got lots of Georgian townhouses (1700s) and Victorian terraces (late 1800s). Residential buildings only tend to get demolished when they're abandoned, not fit for purpose (or too expensive to adapt), or some hotshot developer wants to replace it with a concrete, steel and glass box. Commercial buildings have a shorter lifespan due to the evolving nature of retail, ~40-50 years or so is probably reasonable.

@TorreFernand

10 жыл бұрын

each of those can be considered "run by a corporation" The average building, however, is not run by a corporation, it's merely rented to it, then passed around...

make it play midi and play shine on you crazy diamond. make it all of them and you have at least 25mins of glorious stuff.

Nice to see that old iMac G4 still working

I've not heard of this. If it weren't for Covid, I'd go visit the lighthouse tomorrow.

I've been collecting supplies to make a couple of Bonsai trees. I hope my daughter will carry them on.

For once I actually knew about something you reviewed :D

@Falcrist

10 жыл бұрын

I've known about a few of the things he's discussed, but not this one. That's ok, though! I prefer videos where I had no clue about the topic. :D

Two questions:- 1. What's the point of it? 2. Does it play at a frequency only dogs can hear? I watched the video 3 times and couldn't hear a single note.

@blue-tb2fd

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think any of it was shown in this video.

@gwenynorisu6883

6 жыл бұрын

Probably covered by a 1000-year copyright claim, and rigorously policed, so if you want to hear it you'll have to visit in person.

At year 3000 whoever found this would be like "what the fuck were they thinking when they started preserving this 1000 years ago?"

A lot of science fiction has space travelers in hibernation as their star ship plods along at some fast but subliminal speed. Many of these ships take hundreds or even thousands (and in at least one case tens of thousands) of years. They almost always neglect an important fact. Even frozen the passengers and crew need to be kept alive. The ship, even if it is mostly shut down, still needs to have some functions and most of all, it needs to wake the crew and function well enough to get the crew and passengers safely to their destination. This means building a very complex machine (the ship) that won't break down. We can't even make (or some say they CHOOSE) not to make a computer than can last 10 years. Usually after just a few years you computer is so full of errors that it is nearly useless, not to mention out-dated.

@77gravity

8 жыл бұрын

Such a spacecraft needs to be capable of constant self-repair. Nano-technology would offer the best chance for this to be made to work - repairing and rebuilding at the molecular level.

@rdouthwaite

8 жыл бұрын

A much more sensible concept would be a multi-generational mission in a ship designed as an enclosed ecosystem whereby the descendants of the original crew complete the mission - no need for hibernation or self repairing ships. Some rudimentary belief system would be required to ensure the core principle of the mission survived across the generations. This of course gives scope for plot themes such as corrupted mission objectives, rival belief systems, disease, conflict, factions etc. I'm sure this has been explored many times in science fiction before.

@erictaylor5462

8 жыл бұрын

rdouthwaite You still have the problem of break downs. And you need a way to get or make spare parts. I read in one story, a civilization discovers the Milky Way is doomed. Some disaster will make it impossible for the galaxy to support life, so they got their entire solar system booking it out of the galaxy. No star ship needed. You just need to figure out how to move a star.

@77gravity

8 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the Puppeteer Fleet of Worlds.

@erictaylor5462

8 жыл бұрын

77gravity In fact it doesn't just sound like it. THAT IS what I'm talking about :)

0:30, is that a reference to the iron pillar of Delhi?

When I saw the title, I thought you were going to say something about the City of London.

It’s been playing for 20 years as of now.

Shout out to the crushed up Sprite can at 0:30

Ive been there!

Time will tell.

Makes a video about extra long lasting things. Makes it extra short. Noice.

This should be used as the alarm tone to mark every 2500 years on the Clock of the Long Now.

It's January 11th 2020. Are they still on place?

0:48 - You don't technically 'need' to make something last 1,000 years if it is something ridiculous and important that nobody really cares about such as this musical art installation. It's more aspirational and proof-of-concept than anything else. I'd say a more relevant example might be things like the human readable warning signage for buried nuclear waste (which I believe Tom did a video on?), or seed banks or archives of important historical information. And yes, I do realise that technically in a century or two Longplayer might retrospectively be deemed an important historical artefact. But certainly nobody thinks that it is even remotely important now.

You should come to Italy and review ancient Roman constructions

That would only take me a couple of hours to drive me nuts! :-)

@stevengeorges9046

7 жыл бұрын

999 years, 364 days and 22 hours to go! Unless it is a leap year.

What's the contact info for Giza, Inc.?

Your next video should be entitled "how to make something last 10,000 years" and should discuss the Clock of the Long Now, a project to make a 10,000 year clock survive by being lost. I don't know what location would work well, though.

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

Someone should do a 1,000,000 year clock...

This reminds me of the John Cage Composition "As Slow As Possible". There is a performance is currently underway that is scheduled to last 639 years

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I could see it from start to finish. I want to know what it would sound like. What was the lyrics? Probably on the order of a billion pages long to last that long!

Longplayer still going strong Jan 2021.

Sounds a bit like Dan Brown's Prieuré

Same idea as apocryphal Washington's axe, the idea and the construct continues to exist by the original item is eventually completely replaced. Therefore the axe exists and in every way is identical to that which the great man used but it consists of completely new materials, gradually replaced over the Millennia so it is also NOT Washington's axe and did not last to today.

Or you could build it to be structurally sound and use materials above and beyond what is immediately necessary. Like, say, the Pyramids.

What about the Manx parliament? That originated in Viking times and is more than 1000 years old.

This reminds me of that eternal lullaby from doctor who

Does that mean that the Longplayer has to play non stop ?

I bet the DFS sale will outlast it!

As long as possible

the trust of theseus

In the future longplayer will be a lot more prestigious

Sounds a lot like the organ performance of As Slow As Possible. I think that's about 600 and something years though. They are literally building the organ as required. Pipe by pipe, chord by chord, rest by rest.

It's kind of similar to another video you did on the Dutch Water Board trust. Isn't that still paying dividends on that bond for at least the last thousand years?

If you change a component at a time, and after 500 years there are no original components left, is it still the same thing?

@phiefer3

8 жыл бұрын

A project is not a physical entity, it's a process, a goal. A project may have physical objects that are a part of it, but those objects do not comprise the project. So yes, even if you replace every part, every physical component, the project itself is still intact. The same is also true of corporations.

Longplayer's awesome, but personally I've always been more partial to Organ²/ASLSP.

(0:44) Props on them for actually using the European day-month-year format. If only Tom Scott could use it too, and not use the American format.

I feel sorry for the guy that has to upload that to youtube

I was previously working as an Engineer on a project for National Grid. They specified that we needed to design the system so that it would last forever! After explaining why this isn't possible they reduced their demands and simply stated that they wanted a solution that would work for 10,000 years. We delivered the Engineering study to NG stating that from our current understanding, and from the experiments conducted, it appears that these designs would last 10,000 years, but with the caveat that testing samples artificially aged 1000s of years can introduce discrepancies which could result in the 10,000 year design life not being met.

I wish I was born in 2980 so I could listen to the whole thing at 1000x speed

I was gonna say "Ask the ancient Egyptians."

What about making that thing out of platinum and burying it in a meter thick concrete vault with some kind of a construction on top of it just so that it doesnt get lost, and install it at some remote location where it will not be destroyed by humans or natural disasters

If you want something to last 1000 years, it better be an empire.

Be a roman

I thought this video was going to be about Roman concrete.

The church in my village is about 850 years old.

The written Chinese text in its traditional form is over a 1000 year and that simply only took billions of people through out that entire time and still counting. Individual pieces of the Latin alphabet lasted for over a 1000 year, and Greek as well. Our current form of number is quite old as well. Languages are ideas and information. These things are hard to die out.

@Yeldur

8 жыл бұрын

+ArchOfWinter I think he was more talking about something physical.

@Yeldur

7 жыл бұрын

***** Well, the easiest example of this is English, Old English is a prime example of how languages change over the years.

Step 1: Be an Autrian with a funny beard Step 2: Get turned Down by an University

hi tom

hey sir scott. how are you doing ?

Only the Party can last forever

I like the the general idea but... this specific one sounds pretty lame to me. A computer generated composition - why is that worth preserving all that time? What does it mean?

@gwenynorisu6883

6 жыл бұрын

Nothing. It's art. It doesn't have to have meaning. It's just something someone did, basically as a challenge for themselves and for anyone who got to hear of and become interested in the project over the next ten centuries. Maybe they've cleverly hidden a fun ending to the composition deep within the code that will only emerge after 999.99 years of gradual processing, and those who have kept the faith right to the end will get to hear it. Everyone else until then is custodians of the code for that future generation. Besides, imagine if something similar had been started 990 years ago, using whatever tech of the time might have allowed it. It would have reached relic status by now, people would travel to the place where it was kept just to look at it and hear a few random bars.