What do you think happened to these Idaho college students?

@TheDisabledGamersChannel

Жыл бұрын

My guess would be a disgruntled Ex maybe, idk, sucks to see these young people living their lives going to school taken for no reason, horrible.

@kevinlange5930

Жыл бұрын

Remember Delphi Murderer was cleared on Day one. Look hard at people close.

@Somegirl811

Жыл бұрын

I think it was a serial killer, maybe whoever skinned that dog.

@stillblu

Жыл бұрын

I hate to say it but it sounds like a serial killer

@PhantomNites

Жыл бұрын

Justin Treats killed them

One detail left out is that the 2nd and 3rd floor were built as an addition. Meaning the common wall between the original structure and the addition was originally an outside wall and therefore insulated. There may even be a double wall where the two structures join. This could explain why the two sleeping downstairs heard nothing.

@lisajackson7090

Жыл бұрын

Good point, I recently heard that as well

My understanding is that the two roommates who survived found Ethan near the kitchen ran out of the house and one of the roommates fainted and the other was hysterical. The neighbors took the phone off the girls and reported to the EMTs that they had a girl who was unconscious ie the girl who had fainted. The EMT showed up spoke with the hysterical girl then went into the house and discovered the crime scene. This is why the first report was of someone who was unconscious.

I could totally see how the other roommates didn’t hear anything. Sleep with tv/music going. Used to the house having noise at times like this etc. been drinking/parting. It’s not suspicious that they didn’t hear anything. In college I lived in a house with 6 other people, wouldn’t have ever suspected at thing hearing noise on a party night like this, you kinda get used to hearing noise all the time so it desensitizes you to it

@bananainacup

Жыл бұрын

Yes thank you someone with common sense

@brycepriar3185

Жыл бұрын

I agree totally. Other than the "unconscious" thing. It's hard to say it was them definitely. Especially without them having some other evidence fairly quickly pointing their way. Doubt 2 college girls could make a crime this clean. Unless they had someone else do the job anyway.

@AliJaeJR

Жыл бұрын

Whats SUSPICIOUS, is their call to dispatch. Theres a HUGE difference between unconcious and brutally murdered? And to say someone is unconscious wouldn't you have to be right up on them? Like in the room? If the door was shut they could ha e just had headphones on... The call makes NO SENSE. And if they were in the room why not report what WAS REALITY???

@J0SHUAKANE

Жыл бұрын

@@AliJaeJR sometimes it takes time for reality to sink in. denial is a helluva drug.

@misse2013

Жыл бұрын

Imagine going in your roommate's room and seeing blood... you're scared and yell their name several times but they dont respond. In that moment, I think a lot of scared individuals would call 911 and say, "I saw blood and my friend isn't waking up." So the operator types in 'unconscious individual'... We don't know if the 911 operator told them to be cautious or go wait outside because a threat could still be in the house. Additionally, the surviving roommates could've heard a scream in the middle of the night and assumed they saw a spider or a roach, so they didn't go check on them, but then once they woke up, they saw some blood on the back door and figured they'd go check on their roommate and then walked into a scene... you think they started examining they're friends to see what type of wounds they had? Probably not. I really think "unconscious individual" is the term the 911 operator chose, rather than the caller's choice of words.

Why do I get the feeling that Derek was a big fan of Jim Carrey growing up? 😂

@deadringer333

Жыл бұрын

Right!

@TheDontflinch

Жыл бұрын

LMAO!! Alrighty then!

@jordanbrettabbott

3 ай бұрын

I think we all were until we got old enough to understand how awful Jim Carrey actually is.

@truthreignsforever9286

3 ай бұрын

@@jordanbrettabbott I hear ya Brett, I hear ya

The two roommates woke up late, saw what happened and ran outside. One girl fainted and the other attended to her. The surrounding neighbors grab one of their phones and called the police. It’s likely one roommate passed out from just seeing all what took place inside. I still don’t understand how you don’t hear screams and bumping in the night, but God bless all of them bc that scene must’ve been horrible.

I wish people would get over the phones calls to the Ex-boyfriend. She was drunk and wanted to" hook up". When he didn't answer she had her friend call to make sure he wasn't ignoring her. That's it. I don't see the big mystery. It's extremely common.

@ignited_phoenix8380

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Very common behavior with women especially younger ones

Maybe whomever did it figured the roommates would be suspected and left them intentionally? The weirdest part to me is that they called their friends over before the police while thinking that they were just 'passed out'. That much blood, the smell alone would be nauseating and thick in the air. Something doesn't feel right at all. But I think the cops suspect who did it and are building the evidence against them to ensure an air tight case.

@kathylarson8876

Жыл бұрын

They locked their door

@bettinastebner

Жыл бұрын

They came out of their bedrooms & went upstairs to the kitchen, when they came upon Ethen & a bloody scene ...they ran outside, dialed 9-11; one girl passed out, the other became hysterical. Passersby noticed and came over picking up the phones to continue the call with the 9-11 operator.. so when paramedics arrived, they initially thought they were dealing with the unconscious roommate outside... until they were able to make sense of what occurred inside

@hankjohnson5986

Жыл бұрын

Yeah keep telling yourself the cops know who did it. For all we know whoever did it could be in Indonesia

@gemnicherry2670

Жыл бұрын

Where did he say that they “called their friends over before police “?

Do more like this please, Sherlock Van Schaik!

@marianaitmg6333

Жыл бұрын

Definately; these are really interesting!

I think they met this man at the bar and rejected him, this person felt humiliated and decided to do this.

@ishish8816

Жыл бұрын

I have the same suspicion especially going for both blondes

@thatonethisone5904

Жыл бұрын

@@ishish8816 that’s a huge leap

I’ve been watching your videos for years now and it feels so weird to hear my town being talked about on your channel. Or on other channels. Thank you so much for sharing your insight on the crime. I wish the police weren’t so tight lipped about what happened so we could hear a deeper analysis from you. Our town was always known for being safe. I could leave my purse and wallet in my car with the door unlocked for a week and know no one had taken it. Friends would leave their front doors unlocked all the time and not worry about it. Now everyone’s looking over their shoulders more and buying deadlocks. It’s true what the cop said, what happened here took away our innocence. I want things to go back to normal. I mean, we’re all going about our lives now as normal. But I wish it could Feel normal again…

@WasabiGamu

Жыл бұрын

I'm over in Spokane so yea, I know what you mean

@Lorisa25

Жыл бұрын

Damn! I'm in Canada and unfortunately, we all had to start locking our car doors 10-15 years ago. Homeless/drug addicts. We lock our doors at night now too.

@musiclovetara

Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry to hear your feeling of safety was snatched from you. I’ve always been vigilant about locking my doors. I grew up in a city though…❤

@deadringer333

Жыл бұрын

Hugs 🤗

@VendettaStiffy

Жыл бұрын

so scary if there is a serial killer, stay safe

How did the killer know that the students did not possess a handgun? Would some homeless drifter enter into this house at night without knowing where each student was sleeping (bedroom)? This was a TARGETED killing of either one or both of the two blondes (Kaylee and Maddie) as a result of stab wounds (it would be helpful to know the sequence of the killings from the autopsy). The male (Ethan) did not live there and may have surprised the killer from what I understand (unplanned for event for the killer!). The killer knew the layout of the death house ahead of time. I do not believe that the killer was a transient. I believe that the killer lives in the area and probably has kept the long blade knife as a trophy weapon. The killer may not have a prior record as well and was probably planning this event for some time (premeditated), i.e. it was not a heat of the moment thing.

@Karrie732

Жыл бұрын

Very on target so early on in the investigation. How did you know this info? Just wondering

lots of people comment how suspicious it is that the other girls didn't hear anything. When I was in college, when we got back from the bar, often we crashed on the bed and passed out. 6 or 7 drinks can make you pretty zonked out to the world for a while.

A month ago, a friend of mine was killed by a hitman hired by her 10-year partner. We tried to come up with ways she could have escaped this fate but couldn't. Bottom line: If someone close to you was going to have you killed, there is simply no escape. Her boyfriend was arrested and he killed himself in jail even before he was charged. So what I'm saying is we can't exclude the possibility of a hired hitman targeting one or two of the girls.

@universeobserver378

Жыл бұрын

Do hitmen use knives?

@GODS_OUTLAW

Жыл бұрын

That's wild and I'm sorry for your loss but this a lesson for all to get your concealed carry, go to the range and sleep with it under your pillow and one eye open. I'm a felon but best belive I stay cuddled up with my Louisvile slugger and my dog alerts me to the slightest movement, I'm not getting got

@zeegorman1865

Жыл бұрын

@@universeobserver378 I wonder about that too. But when you are an amateur, and you are just looking for someone to do the job, you turn to those you know and they may be a creep, instead of a professional hitman. In my friend's case, the so-called hitman is just a friend who has guns and who thought the money promised him was worth the risk. The case was cracked quickly because of video surveillance.

@danieldemayo6209

Жыл бұрын

@@universeobserver378 maybe if someone wanted to make it look personal or rage filled. I dunno tho. I think it’s some kid that they bumped into and pissed off. The one bf seemed a little odd but who knows.

@gemnicherry2670

Жыл бұрын

@@GODS_OUTLAW buy a muzzleloader revolver bud

Highly suspicious that two girls slept through these very very violent murders - and there was a dog in the house whose keen sense of hearing would have had the dog barking loudly -- reports there was blood everywhere -- it has been reported that experienced veteran detectives had never seen such carnage -- defensive wounds proves the victims struggled with the assailant -- and meanwhile two girls slept through this and the dog slept through the murders too --

@cerealchild166

Жыл бұрын

They were heavy sleepers, most likely!!

@Saltine_American

Жыл бұрын

Veteran police with near zero experience with murders let alone a massacre like this. Murder rate is extremely low and singular. They were way over their heads and it showed.

@Saltine_American

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealchild166 Passed out drunk is my guess. I remember being that age and it was a Saturday night.

@Somegirl811

Жыл бұрын

I think they were at least sneaking and used a knife to be as quiet as possible. Dogs sleep, too, plus the girls had been drinking, I'm pretty sure, and would sleep heavily. I think only one had defensive wounds, too, but if stabbed in the throat, could have been unable to scream. And the mom said her daughter and ex were getting back together, so it seems like he'd be happy. But it's a theory! Just seems like it would be obvious enough they'd be arrested by now, with cuts and scratches and weird behavior. But I don't know!!!!! I'm so curious!

@chg1264

Жыл бұрын

Ted Bundy did a similar crime and left some girls alive/ sleeping in other rooms. Some car lights frighten him off. Then he went somewhere else and killed another. This is either an ex or a stalker type person. Ted scouted his locations sometimes. Hopefully there is some DNA….

I think the killer stalked them on social media, sounds like the other 2 girls were super drunk and wouldn't have been woken by rumbling or footsteps. The killer might have had a personal connection with the surviving girls or might have come in through the upstairs window and never even visited the 1st floor.

@AliJaeJR

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they haven't yet said if any windows or sliding doors were unlocked...

@johnnylego807

Жыл бұрын

if it was a social media killer they probably would have SAed them which didn’t happen, so this theory is unlikely.

Biggest compliment for a KZreadr: please make longer videos and content.

I just commented this under someone else's comment but I will comment this again because I am sick of seeing people being suspicious of the roommates. I sleep with earplugs, two fans on either side of me, door locked, and because of insomnia I usually take sleeping aid. Last week my roommate told me she was yelling out loud two separate times (between 3 and 4 am as weird as that is) because she thought I was at her door, yelling for her that she was late for work. Her schedule has drastically changed for the holidays and she was super stressed out about getting sleep so she was having bad, super realistic dreams about it. I was, for lack of better words, dead to the world 1-2 hours before these two incidents. My bed where I was sleeping is directly against my roommate's bedroom and her bed where she was yelling is literally 6 feet away from my head. I heard absolutely nothing and was horrified when she told me this 16 hours later. I did not wake up once until well into the morning. I'm so sick of this "there's no way the roommates didn't hear anything" narrative. They DID hear something. At the very beginning it was reported that they heard scuffling and locked their doors, thinking there were people over or a party. The basement where they stayed was extremely secluded and from the front door walking into the tiny "hallway" to go directly up the stairs to the main floor, it looks like it only could have been a bathroom or a closet down there. I believe that the suspect knew the house, but I am so sick of this roommate blaming. I have absolutely not a single shred of doubt that someone could have slept through this. I am also updating this to say that one of the surviving roommates of Ted Bundy (same situation as this) ended it all because she could not live with the guilt that she slept through it, wasn't able to help anyone, and lived. I've always highly respected this channel but I don't appreciate the quotations and quotes regarding Dylan and Bethany. It is quite disgusting. It is also rumored that Ethan was slumped against the inside of Xana's bedroom door, and this is why the two girls thought someone was unconscious.. they didn't see a body and no one has ever said they didn't see blood. I'm sure they were absolutely panicked. Just leave them alone.

@OliviaNile

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure people question the roommates for summoning friends over THEN calling 911, and for the 911 call reporting someone unconscious. Not for them not hearing the attack, allegedly.

@sarahwales6276

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for informing us of your personal story however, this is not about you. We don't know the surviving roomates circumstances and he Is speculating.

We had EVERY fire alarm go off. Three firefighters were in my nephews room changing out smoke detectors. He slept THROUGH EVERYTHING.

Why is no one talking about there being multiple killers? There were 4 victims dead on this scene and I would think it’s ridiculous that one person would kill one person without the other 3 reacting out of their sleep…so I believe there were at least 2 killers

@chaos120

Жыл бұрын

No. Likely one. Autopsy said 1 knife used. If the initial stabs were lethal they wouldn't scream and wake up others. Also they were apparently sleeping when attacked.

I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but what if there was jealousy not just over the breakup with Jack, but she just bought a new car and was planning on backpacking in Europe in January. Young college girl, works at a bagel shop, buys a $50k plus new car on her own as her mother stated, taking a trip to Europe and wanted to take her mom out the next week and pay for it. Her mom seemed skeptical she could afford lunch. So where did the money come from to afford these things on a college kids income? Was there a sugar daddy in her life? Could this be why she was taking a break from her boyfriend? We're the calls to him that night and attempt to calm him down if he had been at the house that night, had a fight and left angry with her? May explain why only 4 were killed, they would've been the only ones still up that could say he had been there and that there had been a fight. Do they know if Jack attempted to return any of those missed calls or texts the next day when he woke up? If not, perhaps it was because he knew they wouldn't be answering. It's all speculation I know, just hadn't heard anyone bring up where all of this money would've come from for Kaylee. Could mean there's another party involved here nobody is considering

@betsyscales1066

Жыл бұрын

Maybe that's why Kaylee asked Maddie "what did you tell Adam?" and Maddie answered, "I told him everything." Maybe she told Adam about K. and a sugar daddy? Adam is supposed to be Jack D's best friend.

My friend Sam had a party house where people would fall asleep at 3 am playing video games in one room while a wild party would be raging in the next. Ear plugs and locking bedroom doors

Great video Derek. Reminds me of your Watts videos, which were how I discovered your channel a few years ago! Love your true crime work.

It does seem awfully suspicious that the two other roommates never heard anything and if the crime scene was as bad as the police made it sound how could they say they found their roommates Unconscious.

@LS-ny8mr

Жыл бұрын

Agreed… sus af

@Sarnarath

Жыл бұрын

They were probably super drunk and fast asleep when it happened.

@jessvan1206

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but at the same time if they had been drinking a bunch or smoking pot I knew ppl in college that a bomb could go off and they wouldn't wake them up

@Mudcat3434

Жыл бұрын

Have you ever been in a college dorm or common house? Someone or several people could be murdered in the next room and me even not being inebriated would not be alerted by screaming or commotion. That is pretty standard weekend roommate shit. If I had investigated every bit of commotion in college living spaces when I was in college I would have been entering and leaving rooms 24/7.

@gratefulguy4130

Жыл бұрын

The cops seemed like they were covering something up, too.

Haha digging the scary True Crime background for this one. The algo is gona pick you back up soon man, keep grinding it out. 💪🏽😎❤️

Wow. I hope this get solved and the murderer gets caught ! I really want to know how & why.

@JNMKlover

Жыл бұрын

If it isn't the roommates or close friends, there is actually a murderer on the loose.

Apparently the roommates ran outside hysterical after finding Ethan near the kitchen. Some friends or acquaintances walking nearby heard them screaming (I’m so sorry) bloody murder and ran over. One of the girls managed to call 911 but ended up passing out before she could make any statements to the dispatcher . At that point, one of the acquaintances took her phone and spoke with the dispatcher saying she had lost consciousness. The other roommate was likewise too distraught to make much sense. The ambulance was never told of Ethan, so maybe dispatch concluded the call before the other roommate gathered herself enough to explain the situation? According to this Facebook post one of the roommates finally explained enough to prompt one or two of the passerby acquaintances to run inside to give aid to Ethan and/or check on the other three roommates. So potentially the scene was contaminated by multiple people. Also the ambulance had no idea what was in store when they arrived. I have a feeling the audio wasn’t released because it was pretty well useless. I read this post like two weeks ago, who knows how much is fiction, maybe all. However it does explain the 911 call. 🤷‍♀️

Very very good breakdown w important details about the lives, their whereabouts. Etc. This is 1st i've seen break it down so simply yet detailed. I feel u pointed out some very obvious points that I didn't notice before (from other youtube reviews), and I'm a TC junkie so, seen alot already... keep up the great work, ❤️ ALL ur videos!!!

@sierraechopnw4228

Жыл бұрын

I’m a TC junkie as well. 👋 May I suggest Grizzly True Crime and That Chapter if you haven’t already discovered them here. Gisela of Grizzly is extremely thorough and she dives deep on current and pending past crimes she’s covered.

@lisajackson7090

Жыл бұрын

@@sierraechopnw4228 thk u. I hav been watching "That Chapter" 4ever! Luv luv luv him! I'll def check out Grizzly! Thx again!

The 911 call is the most damning for the roommates. Unconscious? They were brutally murdered with an OJ knife…..they clearly would’ve known they were dead. Why say that to 911 dispatch?

@musiclovetara

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps that’s just what LE is telling us. Also, maybe the bedroom doors were closed & they just kept knocking & heard nothing. Or maybe they called their housemates & heard nothing. You never know…may the 4 Rest In Peace & Love 🙏🏽✨💖✨

@deadringer333

Жыл бұрын

Because supposedly the roommate called 911 about the other roommate who passed out from the horrific crime scene. Hence someone who was unconscious.

@chaos120

Жыл бұрын

They deceased could have been in their rooms with the doors locked by the killer.

It seems really unusual that the 911 caller (callers) would call about an unconscious person, and not notice all the blood. Knife killings are usually very bloody, since the person usually bleeds out. Seems very suspicious to me.

If the roommates take something like Xanax to go to sleep, they wouldn’t wake up for any level of noise

Showing the Google maps route in question while you told the story was a cool idea. I haven't seen anyone do that before.

@lisajackson7090

Жыл бұрын

Yeap

I love this guys channel. He really digs deep and tells a great story of tragic accidents

Love the backdrop! Terrific video!✌️

I really couldn't say accept for me, its either someone they know well, or someone with an association. A barman, salesman, someone who knew who was living there and such? But I will add, this is why I always lock my bedroom door at night when I sleep.

Thank you for sharing your talent, charisma and skill. You da man Schaik!

Someone needs to "LOOK" close at these two deaf girls. They are in on it. They may have had someone do it or at least involved. Someone might even have had to hold the dog back. I am thinking one of the girls. They couldn't have not heard something. They are lying. As in when a child disappears you look close to home the same is true here.

@TRUTHbomb2.0

Жыл бұрын

It's possible they did hear something but dismissed it as usual late night noise from multiple roommates, or they could have been too scared to investigate it at 4am. Most young people think they are invincible so the when another roommate does not come out of their room they think they may be passed out from alcohol, not that they were murdered.

@wolffman2445

Жыл бұрын

If that’s the case though, what would the motive likely be?

@mikecif4123

Жыл бұрын

@@wolffman2445 and why would they chose a night when the BF is staying over?

I don't think we have enough information, to determine much about this case. I'm hoping LE has some leads and soon will be able to give us more information after this person is caught.

Bro...great vid but the "welcome back to the channel Schaikerssss" was sorely missed q.q

Your a beast dude TY for the Vid

I lived in a college dorm I know how noisy it can be same thing with a house off campus shared by a group of friends. With that many living there including their friends that would stop by and even stay overnight sometimes, I'm convinced I doubt they ever locked their doors. I also just have a feeling they ruled out the roommates too quickly. It makes no sense someone came in killed 4, left 2 perfectly alone and they never heard a thing. I've got just a bad feeling about one or both of the roommates, perhaps one or both was jealous of the new vehicle, that one murdered got more attention from a guy she liked, etc etc. I've seen too many cases of people murdered by someone they thought was their friend. Also the roommates when they woke up and figured out something was clearly wrong, instead of phoning police or ambulance they instead called friends to come over to the apartment which would heavily taint any evidence left behind, which would be the MO of someone who had committed the murder and wanted to throw off police. Don't even get me started on how quickly they went out and got tattoos to post all about on social media.

Hard sleepers wouldn’t hear any of that noise. I’m one myself. I’ve slept through severe thunderstorms with loud thunder. I’m not sure if the two friends on the first floor were hard sleepers or not, but if they were, it’s not odd that they would’ve been able to sleep through all that

I definitely want to hear that 911 call!

@ummamama116

Жыл бұрын

I hate that 911 calls are available to the public to listen to. What if it was you or a loved one...

@GodSaveTheClothes

Жыл бұрын

@@ummamama116 why are you watching this? What if this was you and your loved ones? I for one am grateful they are recorded and available. It’s a public service that we pay for and should be scrutinized. The call in this case will give a lot of insight on the roommates and how they found the victims.

your background is awesome.

Good video about this situation

I really love this guys videos. He cuts all the bullshit out, all the fat out, and just gives it to us in a really common sense type of way. It’s a great channel. Every video I’ve watched, has been good. Not even just saying it, it’s true!

For those wondering how the roommates on the first floor slept through the massacre, let me give you my theory: The murders took place on the 2nd and 3rd floors. All victims were killed in their beds. Meaning, whoever was killed last whether it was the victims on the 2nd or 3rd floor slept through the first murders. So if THEY slept through it, it makes sense that the girls on the first floor slept through it as well. Follow?

I really like your videos.

Just a thought of how the boyfriend could have done it. He could have killed them, and while he was inside the home, he could have called & texted his own phone from the girl’s cell phones. He would have left his own phone at his house/ giving him the alibi, by his phone pining at his own home location. If they have blood evidence- he needs to be checked & cleared by DNA, NOT by his “word”.

@mediumeffort3315

Жыл бұрын

Interesting theory, hadn't considered that angle.

To be fair, When I sleep after drinking you can blow up my nose until I farth and I would not even wake up.

I've slept through the loudest alarms on earth so it's not really that suspicious to not wake up to commotion. Especially if alcohol was involved.

Here is what I think. >The 2 reasons somebody might call someone other than the cops are .. Get their stories straight. Tell em' what's a comin. >If them college kids can't tell dead from dead, they should've picked a better college. >Looking at an aerial view it looks like the place to back in unnoticed is the dead end at S Blake St., someone should go poke around there. There is not enough information to determine why the 911 call was fishy, nor anything else. If I had a kid there, I'd tell em' to come on home for a spell, I got to much invested in em' to take that kind of gamble now.

You provide so much in your videos...corner bar and names actually listed with pictures, so much info in an eight minute clip and also noting the old house and noise waffles through the house. Only thing was the reproduction part was little strange and surely Maddie would have barked on the violence. Dogs usually don't go silent when a scuffle encures but must have been horrific for the dog. Prayers for all.

@cmstacy

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the dog was familiar with the attacker....or maybe the back slider door was left open and the dog ran outside...

your voice is like a Casey Kasem. I truly enjoy your channel.

DNA evidence? Shoe prints? Fingerprints? Hair? Fabric of clothing? Text messages from the surviving girls phones? Killer must have had gloves and mask and perhaps shoes with plain soles. Hope they are looking at any surveillance footage in the nearby area. DNA under finger nails? May have scratched killers face. Any footage from security cameras of neighbors?

@thatonethisone5904

Жыл бұрын

Why do people always state the bleeding obvious and presume the cops might not have well and truly dealt with it?

I pretty sure the Ex and the other two house mates have taken polygraph tests and have passed them. That's probably why the Police have ruled them out. If they had refused to take a polygraph, I'm sure we would have heard about that.

what are the odds that the killer is watching this video? they're probably pretty good.

The fact that the murderer killed one person at a time should be evidence enough that someone could sleep through these attacks. If they couldn’t, there would likely have only been one successful murder.

It reminds me of Ted Bundy in a way where he had gone to a frat house. Allegedly from one other person said before this happened there’s been someone in the area hurting animals. Not sure if this is true. I would lock your doors if I lived in that area. Be mindful of your surroundings til they find the monster.

Someone at Jacks place could have seen Kaylee blowing up jacks phone while he slept & figured she wanted a booty call- maybe he showed up & got mad when she rejected him?

I am not an expert on this case, but I have heard the two girls on floor 1 did hear loud commotions upstairs but there was often "extracurricular activity" going on there and did not want to get involved in what was happening. Locked their door and went back to sleep. This saved their lives. On the 911 call, the best explanation is on YTer Southern Logics, (YT Search) University of Idaho 911 call! Many Questions answered by someone who was on the scene! / The roommates did not see their friends killed and thought they were just "passed out'. The roommate that made the 911 call was the girl that was passed out. On a side note; the police have no obligation to tell the public the truth on what they know or don't know in a TV Q & A. The killer is part of the public too.

I sleep on my side, with an earbud in and a large folded heating pad on top of that, and I have a fan, on high, blowing in my face, I can't hear squat, so it's possible to have not heard anything and if they did, they could have just thought it was a roommate running around

_Unsub:_ Law enforcement lingo for "Unknown Subject"

In my opinion and it's just an opinion, it's fairly obvious. The killer came for Maddie. He knew what bedroom she was in and he knew that Kaylee had moved out. He didn't know Ethan was there. So he expected 4 girls. One on the 3rd floor (Maddie) Xana on the second and the two on the bottom which he had no need to go to. He came in on the second floor thru the kitchen and went straight to Maddie's room and found two girls which took him by surprise. As he was killing the first girl the other had enough to time scream but not much. Rumor is Maddie had the more extensive wounds so if he killed her first he would have gone back to take his anger out on her. The girls mentioned that they heard something but thought it was just the others being loud but since Xana was on the floor right below they both probably heard the scream. Ethan got up to check and as he opened the door to the hallway he was met by the killer who was trying to get out of there. It's said that Xana had defensive wounds. She probably heard Ethan yelling and either peeked out the door way or more than likely froze in her room and then tried to fight off her attacker. As to why he didn't go after the other two girls he wasn't there for anyone but Maddie. Ethan got in the way and Xana might have recognized him. By the time he was done with Xana he wanted to get out of there fast and if he did know about the other two girls he probably thought they called 911 by now. If Kaylee wasn't there no one else would have been killed. He could have had his way with Maddie. I don't think he was there just to kill her.

Both girls calling him is definitely odd..

Liked your analysis

I'm still trying to undertand how the two roomates, who were sleeping just below, didn't hear a thing. There absolutely had to be terrifying screams from anyone. No one appears to have access to those girls or their. stories. The call from Kaylee to her ex could very well be a "booty call." It would'nt be the first time people had sex with their exes. But who turns off their phone at night? You could easily just put it on silent and turn it over so it would light up. Turned-off phones are not trackable. I believe the killer walked in to the back sliding door which was directly on the 2nd floor. How do you mistaken two people as "unconscious?" The pool of blood might be a clue someone else was wrong. Then, instead of calling 911, they have friends come over. Wtf? Lots of strange happenings with this case. What's worse, it appears that this might end up being a cold case.

Can you do an analysis of the West Memphis 3? There's a ton of film available especially in the Paradise Lost series. I'm torn on whether they are guilty or innocent and I would love to see what you think based on your expertise!

@gtshivashiru9601

Жыл бұрын

They 3 boys didn't do it.

Suspect seems to be 18-25M who frequented the Mad Greek restaurant & had access to the girls social media pages

The police captain looks like he needs to take 3 steps away from the pink breakfast pastry box, a 3 steps closer to the saving machine!

I've been following this tragic story, thanks for covering it Derek! How about analyzing the Jonbenet Ramsey case?

@wolffman2445

Жыл бұрын

I second this request.

@chaos120

Жыл бұрын

Burke

My hope is the roommates weren’t ruled out as suspects but they’re saying publicly they were

The police officer said they were likely slashed in their sleep, but in the same breath says they had defensive wounds. Idk that doesn’t seem to make sense to me. I understand people in the comments talking about living in a house with a lot of people in college and tuning out the noises after a while to sleep. But the girls downstairs didn’t hear a peep? They were just sleeping peacefully, like sweet baby lambs and woke up at noon to a literal blood bath? I call bullshit. Curiouser and curiouser.

1st ! Edit: What a sad story, those poor people, great coverage Derek.

I like this vibe.

If you live in a shared house you get used to the comings and goings of people. If the girls did hear someone walking through the house they probably would have assumed it was their roommate's coming home. If someone is being stabbed while they are sleeping there is probably very smal chance that they would get concious enough to scream. When I wake up, it takes me a few minutes to realise I'm awake.

Let’s get started

They were stabbed up to the hilt, causing bruising. It doesn’t seem like the first time this person killed…we’re looking at a serial killer???

An arrest was made on December 30th. The suspect was working on his PhD in Criminology just over the border in Washington State. Very scary..

Me: Sees picture of jack** Me: “Guilty!”

I think there were 2 attackers, no way the people on the other floors would not have been woke up, that dog would have been barking, unless the dog was familiar with the attackers. That would have woke up the others making nearly impossible to kill both at once with just a knife . Even if it was just one person, that dog knew them. People do not usually die instantly from a knife attack. Or they could have been drugged first. All those phone calls and then they are just totally sound asleep for a little bit later. Wish I could see the scene. Was the dog harmed? And they obviously knew they were dead, why did it get called in that way? The 911 call would be very helpful also. Why would they use the word unconscious, no one uses that word when there is blood everywhere and you are " in shock " making a call like that. Dead is so much easier and unconscious is a bigger much harder word to say. Why would that word even come in the the callers mind when they probably had very rarely if ever used that word.. Just say the word, it's sort of hard to say, dead much easier. Like I said, obviously the caller knew they were not unconscious, she knew they were dead .. Plus the suspect was let in or already in.. Even in a small town 2 girls sleeping by the front door would lock the door you would think.

Funny how much has changed since this video. The revelation that Dylan was sleeping on second floor not in 1st floor as reported.

@hamedhaidari8658

10 ай бұрын

It’s been almost a year, and I assume lots have uncovered, I just came across this case. Could you give some update?

Derek, You are the cure for my ADHD!

The funniest thing is that they already know that the killer is a Criminal Psychologist with higher education

theory 1: maybe a thrill kill, potentially someone from anywhere who became obsessed with their social media and figured out that they go to that school, then followed them home. theory 2: maybe it was some guy who had a bunch of coins on FTX, and one or more of those kids made the fatal mistake of referring him to the platform. damn, we could do this all day...

@xalspaero

Жыл бұрын

btw I am predicting that this goes unsolved. 2 weeks and no suspect may as well be 2 years may as well be never. sure, you see cold cases being cracked all the time, but you also see them staying cold all the time.

@JNMKlover

Жыл бұрын

The way these single girls post everything on public social media is he horrible. I'm not victim blaming, but there is far too many stalking and obsessed behavior.

When I first heard about this case I saw an attic entrance in my mind, then when I was going through the pictures of the house I saw that very same one that I’d imagined 👀. Could be something or could be nothing 💁🏼‍♀️ Also if the scene was as bloody as described, where did the footprints go?

@robinkerr1145

Жыл бұрын

Are you saying a ghost done it?

@sweetnesslight5656

Жыл бұрын

@@robinkerr1145 er no, not sure why you’d come to that conclusion 🤔

With no forced entry, I would want to interview the landlord and anyone who has keyed access to that building. Past tenants would also be a good place to look into.

@chaos120

Жыл бұрын

Rear door may have been unlocked

@McMomfaceplustwo

Жыл бұрын

It’s been reported I think to have been a coded door that they weren’t always very secretive about.

Please do a video on Shanquella Robinson who was killed in Mexico around October 29 by 6 of her enemies in Cabo, Mexico.

the detail of how the killer stabbed the reproductive organs made me think of Jack the ripper. In all his victims their reproductive organs were mutilated showing sexual frustration and impotence of the killer. One of the probable suspects that was most likely jack the ripper was impotent and never developed a grown mans genitalia due to birth defects.

@bananainacup

Жыл бұрын

They didn’t actually reveal the autopsy he was just saying that if it was revealed their reproductive organs were mutilated that it was likely a serial killer

@sedg03

Жыл бұрын

Is it believed that the sexual organs of these 4 had reproductive organs stabbed?

Didn't they find a dog skinned alive a few weeks before, not far from the house? Daily Mail reported the story. Even if it isn't related, the cops sure didn't do their job. That is pure animal cruelty to the extreme, only a sick person does that. Very little investigation is what I read. This brings me to... let's start looking at the police staff. Not one word on if the cops were ever called to the home.

@susankful

Жыл бұрын

And not one word if the cops were ever called to the house because of the late-night noise.

I wish people would stop posting their nights out as they are happening. Checking in to places etc. Just an advertisement that you're not home.

Ill be honest with you, back in the day, I attended MANY parties at UofI and also stayed at many houses. When people go back to a hous like that at 2am and have been drinking all day, they wont wake up to anything. I really dont know what happened to these poor kids but the odds are that their roommates slept through the whole thing. I am curious why the dog didnt make more of a scene though.

A knife attack would have left a incredible ammount of blood, and to say they are uncoucious means they tried waking them up. You cant just look into a room and say oh im calling 911 because my friend looks unconscious from a distance. So that shit is super suspect

I just had a sickening feeling that this is someone that wants to make a mystery. Probably one of the victims was the target, and they had either thought through doing this in a general sense or had visited the house and had gone through it mentally, used the code to the door and then waited up top where maybe the main target was. Could be timing prevented them from going into the rooms on the lower level as they presumably exited.

The guy with a muscle top on at the food truck stood out to me .... dressed like that in November why....it was really cold too ... seemed strange

The 911 call was explained. Girls ran out, one called 911 and fainted. Passer by, friend, one of the j's, picked up phone told 911 girl fainted. People outside talked to 911. Couple went inside.

I can understand not hearing the actual killings, but the 911 with describing a person as unconscious after a frenzied knife assault ..is weird.

Can you please do a video on the casey Anthony documentary!?

Wow I didnt know they called the ex not long before they were murdered. I thought they were asleep for some time before the killer came in. I have heard that the dog didnt bark so…. Either the dog was scared, asleep or the dog knew the person?

Could be a neighbor who couldn't stand the noise and parking cars everywhere. The neighbor snapped.