How Con-Air Actually Works... Explained by an Ex-Con

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Ex Jewel Thief, Mob Earner, Criminal and Prisoner Larry Lawton
Ex Jewel Thief Larry Lawton spent 11 years in prison and now helps people make better decisions and fights for prison reform.
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  • @monacoathlete2755
    @monacoathlete27552 жыл бұрын

    I understand most viewers may want you to post prison themed videos, but I for one really appreciate the variety of topics you provide us. I especially like your weekly news wrap! 👍

  • @santinostefano5245

    @santinostefano5245

    2 жыл бұрын

    He doesn't do them no more unfortunately

  • @tonysalamone5458

    @tonysalamone5458

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too I hope he has one this week he didn't have one last week

  • @pri.sci.lla.

    @pri.sci.lla.

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most of his viewers are here for prison content

  • @MrJZ27

    @MrJZ27

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@santinostefano5245 it seems it's the same content but broken down into individual videos.

  • @gibby2937

    @gibby2937

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MrJZ27 Larry, you should go a little easier on Lou Pearlman. He died in federal custody in 2016.

  • @canabox7112
    @canabox71122 жыл бұрын

    I had a girl I worked with asked me if I ever flew first class. I said no. Have you ever flew in handcuffs and shackles? Lol

  • @Ina_5686
    @Ina_56862 жыл бұрын

    I'm so curious about it ever since you mentioned it a while back and how you demonstrated how they shackled you and how traumatic it is. Thank you for this video!

  • @patricks_music
    @patricks_music2 жыл бұрын

    Over 16 times? that is cruel and unusual punishment

  • @jackbauer7849
    @jackbauer78492 жыл бұрын

    The prison stuff of yours is my favorite. It's hard to find frank, concise, high quality accounts of what it's like to be in the prison system.

  • @tbraith27

    @tbraith27

    2 жыл бұрын

    Check out Jay Williams “Let’s Live Life” you won’t be disappointed.

  • @user-hx8cf8tp4z

    @user-hx8cf8tp4z

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was going to say the same thing check out Jay he's awesome

  • @SassyC18

    @SassyC18

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tbraith27love Jay's Channel

  • @jackbauer7849

    @jackbauer7849

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tbraith27 thanks so much for the recommendation! I've been binging Jay's videos as well now, he's a great story teller.

  • @AnthroGuitarist

    @AnthroGuitarist

    2 жыл бұрын

    Look up Wes Watson, he's the realest out there

  • @manders.
    @manders.2 жыл бұрын

    They really don't care how cold it is. In CT, they do give you Micheal Myers looking coats in the winter, but you can't take them on court runs. It's ridiculous. So all you have is an extremely thin pull-over sweater. And I always thought it was absurd that they make you go in front of the judge looking all disheveled because you couldn't shower, freshen up, or anything. Of course that's going to play a role in how the court views you...

  • @JamesRDavenport

    @JamesRDavenport

    2 жыл бұрын

    So did you serve time then in CT? I see that Larry has a lot of women subscribers following him out of curiosity, but not as many female convicts. It's a side of incarceration you don't see talked about as much, given the huge gender ratio difference in crime, but also just as interesting to learn about.

  • @Seallussus
    @Seallussus2 жыл бұрын

    The balls on you to say that to the judge, also massive respect to that judge. Love the content

  • @SurferGirlTina
    @SurferGirlTina2 жыл бұрын

    So excited for this video! You're my favorite KZreadr to watch! Sending lots of love from South Florida!

  • @nathanlindo3404

    @nathanlindo3404

    2 жыл бұрын

    Facts 👌🏾

  • @kalemacpherson2270
    @kalemacpherson22702 жыл бұрын

    Larry Lawton, straight up real gangster, most gangster thing hes doing is trying to help the world and we the people as citizens of earth to be better human beings

  • @MaurieDaNerd
    @MaurieDaNerd2 жыл бұрын

    I wont ever go to prison larry. 2 chapters left on ur book. Good read thank you. I'm working hard, i watch ur videos everyday. Respect

  • @hazelangus
    @hazelangus2 жыл бұрын

    God... I know you put a lot of humour into your videos so it's not just relentlessly miserable, but I really do get tears in my eyes whenever you get emotional. I respect you a lot for the work you're doing to try to make change. People should not be treated like this, I don't care what their crime is.

  • @dfgndfghdfghdfgh
    @dfgndfghdfghdfgh2 жыл бұрын

    Man your work rate recently is amazing. Having said that, don't feel pressured to always keep putting out the same amount of videos

  • @deoncovington9485
    @deoncovington94852 жыл бұрын

    The video we all have been waiting 4 thanks Larry

  • @spehff272
    @spehff2722 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for another great video Larry. I always look forward to your content.

  • @nickevershedmusic8927
    @nickevershedmusic89272 жыл бұрын

    That really made me smile you told us about that nice judge, I bet you were happy

  • @johnbaldwin6352
    @johnbaldwin63522 жыл бұрын

    My brother-in-law flew a twin engine prop plane back in the early 80's. The jails would contract him on an as needed basis . I understand there were minimum security people and he said after take off no one ever acted up.

  • @Nikolas_070
    @Nikolas_0702 жыл бұрын

    Love these types of videos. When will robbery fails be back? Love to see you laugh and explain the videos.

  • @tonysalamone5458
    @tonysalamone54582 жыл бұрын

    LOVE the videos Larry!! Are u still doing the weekly recap on Fridays? I didn't see one last week hope u still are doing that bro! Take care God bless!

  • @kalemacpherson2270
    @kalemacpherson22702 жыл бұрын

    The movie Con-Air uses a Fairchild C-123 dubbed the "Jailbird C-123", actual Con-Air I believe use 3 or 4 different planes, three being the Hawker 800, Boeing 737 and a SAAB 2000. Mind you aviation technology is constantly advancing and this could have changed lord knows how many times but those are a few of the planes :)

  • @pjay3010
    @pjay30102 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad you never got life man, sharing your experiences is so informative, entertaining and interesting and by the looks of it you really want to help people. I don't think you've released a video I've not enjoyed yet. Thanks👍

  • @keatonsparksvideoproductions
    @keatonsparksvideoproductions2 жыл бұрын

    I love your channel man I've always needed calm music or life stories to sleep because my brain produces more cerritonin than melatonin. Your stories really help me to sleep specifically the gangster redemption playlist I've probably listened to that playlist over and over listening to your stories thanks larry. 😊

  • @neojso
    @neojso Жыл бұрын

    Put the bunny back into the box - that's all I knew about con air 🐰😂

  • @cfc1001001cfc
    @cfc1001001cfc2 жыл бұрын

    It makes sense from the experiences the inmates have on ConAir how the Federal Bureau of Prisons could simply punish inmates with "Diesel Therapy" just to break them down further.

  • @rockharddock1711

    @rockharddock1711

    Жыл бұрын

    i am hunting you

  • @storytimewithunclebill1998
    @storytimewithunclebill19982 жыл бұрын

    First time I was on Con-Air, I was transferring from USP Atlanta (the transfer part of prison) to FTC Oklahoma City. Quietest I ever heard prisoners' ever. Then again from Oklahoma to Pennsylvania, USP Lewisburg ( the transfer center again). Said the plane had a problem and had to wait 2 hours while they fixed it. Sure didnt want to get on it then. Real quiet that ride. That shackling really sucked. Id rather starve than shit on that plane. I never messed with guards, especially the Marshall. They had the guns. Always amazed me how loading and unloading they had them surround the plane with the guns out. Made me realize shit was real. Must have sucked for you to have to go through process and being on that plane so many times. Hated processing. You can never describe how humiliating it is and how often it happens. So many in one small space to transfer into another small space. Shitting with cuffs on, cuffed to someone. Straight bullshit. Never met Chief and been to OKC twice. Both in "99. Thanks for sharing again. Brought back a lot of memories. Was fun to watch. Great video

  • @Yodie82
    @Yodie82 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing your stories with us!!

  • @vissitorsteve
    @vissitorsteve2 жыл бұрын

    Another REALLY memorable video, Larry!

  • @thephenomenalphantom8372
    @thephenomenalphantom83722 жыл бұрын

    I've been waitin' for this one Chief.

  • @alexisrivas307
    @alexisrivas3072 жыл бұрын

    There was a flight I was on that had a radio channel that allowed passengers to listen to the air traffic communication. I distinctly remember hearing Con Air communicating with the air traffic controller. This memory stood out because I didn’t know what con air was. It didn’t sound like the name of an airline. I had a feeling the name sounds familiar.

  • @doctordogelordtmg9637

    @doctordogelordtmg9637

    Жыл бұрын

    Cool but wouldn't Con Air have some kind of secret code that they use to communicate to air traffic control with? I mean they probably don't want people to know where the plane is or where it's going

  • @alexisrivas307

    @alexisrivas307

    Жыл бұрын

    @@doctordogelordtmg9637 air traffic control does exactly that and only that. They control the air traffic. Pilots asking for permission to take off and land. Nothing is mentioned about flight plans. As long as the passengers’ names aren’t known, it’s alright. Air Con (EDIT Con Air) is a more difficult form of prisoner transport to intersect.

  • @doctordogelordtmg9637

    @doctordogelordtmg9637

    Жыл бұрын

    @@alexisrivas307 Okay just wondering thanks

  • @gbonkers666

    @gbonkers666

    Ай бұрын

    @@doctordogelordtmg9637 yeah, I don't think "con-air" was the actual call sign to.

  • @kathleengivant-taylor2277
    @kathleengivant-taylor2277 Жыл бұрын

    Keep up great content. Love it. Keeping it real

  • @gregmacdonald3559
    @gregmacdonald3559 Жыл бұрын

    This is great stuff Larry! You are doing good for others. Respect for you! 🇨🇦❤️🙏🏻

  • @lindatrombley3
    @lindatrombley32 жыл бұрын

    I love learning about anything you pit out.

  • @pablocuarlos58
    @pablocuarlos582 жыл бұрын

    Great video and great advices at the end, appreciate it thanks

  • @Dickiesmall
    @Dickiesmall2 жыл бұрын

    Love your prison breakdowns Uncle Larry!! I’d also love to see ya talk about current events more! Also, robbery fails are always funny 😂 Love ya Larry!!!🤙🏼🤙🏼🔥🔥

  • @Mihalyofficial
    @Mihalyofficial2 жыл бұрын

    Even though youre just recycling old topics its so cool to hear all this in more detail.

  • @sherrellelawrence408
    @sherrellelawrence4082 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing, Larry. God Bless.

  • @Swoost
    @Swoost2 жыл бұрын

    Just got your book in mail my man cant wait to get into it

  • @darthvader7105
    @darthvader71052 жыл бұрын

    been waiting for this Video

  • @shellydavis855
    @shellydavis8552 жыл бұрын

    This was the video I was waiting for ❤️❤️❤️

  • @toffeelatte6042
    @toffeelatte60422 жыл бұрын

    This is definitely one of the ones I've been waiting for. Would love to see you maybe go over and review some of badd bob's videos sometime myabe?

  • @slumberpartylive
    @slumberpartylive2 жыл бұрын

    Love the videos Larry!

  • @ianseurattan2084
    @ianseurattan20842 жыл бұрын

    Hey Larry started watching this channel a few weeks ago and I'm not sure of you covered this, but I've always been interested on how people exercise in prison snd what kind of exercises they do etc。

  • @sativarosegold3604
    @sativarosegold36042 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for another thorough vid

  • @statinskill
    @statinskill2 жыл бұрын

    Let me guess, the inflight cuisine is a bag with a baloney sandwich and saltines and the inflight entertainment is "No Talking!".

  • @jarrettgreen7628
    @jarrettgreen76282 жыл бұрын

    I remember those days. Sure don't miss them. Always on point w your videos.

  • @A_P
    @A_P2 жыл бұрын

    Good informative vid lar :)

  • @m.g2944
    @m.g29442 жыл бұрын

    Great Video Larry.

  • @frenindeed8713
    @frenindeed87132 жыл бұрын

    Great video Larry. Nearly dropped my coffee at the end when you talked about finding a lover. Hope it's not Lou Perlman . Keep em coming.!

  • @trentonemerson9149
    @trentonemerson91492 жыл бұрын

    best part of the week when Larry posts

  • @joshmaddux
    @joshmaddux2 жыл бұрын

    Big fan Larry. Books are gonna be written about YOU someday.

  • @Ozzy_2014

    @Ozzy_2014

    2 жыл бұрын

    One has. Gangster redemption. 😅

  • @ia8767
    @ia87672 жыл бұрын

    Thank you uncle larry will always be here to support you as your videos is an asprin tablet for my head hehe love you

  • @nursedebbie1332
    @nursedebbie1332 Жыл бұрын

    🌹Larry~ In my opinion your channel is the BEST! There were 2 channels that I watched for several years, but their content is not geed now. You are educated. I enjoy your content!💐

  • @lisafranklin9089
    @lisafranklin90892 жыл бұрын

    Just wanted to say Hi everybody! Love ya Larry, great video- super interesting

  • @margaretroe4736
    @margaretroe47362 жыл бұрын

    These videos of prison life is soo interesting Larry.

  • @darthvader7105
    @darthvader71052 жыл бұрын

    Hey Larry I love your videos keep it man

  • @t3532
    @t35322 жыл бұрын

    Hello Mr. Larry!!!! I'm watching your videos for quite some time and generally following your channel! I like from what you're made of😉! I just wanted to mention that although you have that mafia related gangsta influenced jewel thieve etc. lifestyle past, and being quite an intemetading fella, I can tell than in your heart and soul you're a fu**king sweetheart man, really!!! Keep doing what you do! Keep inspiring and trying to make the world a better place..😉 Much love and respect from Greece.

  • @delaphonta2816
    @delaphonta28162 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing Larry. We know you are more than just an ex-con. I guess we keep asking because its an experience that we may never know. It is very intriguing. Plus you're a good story teller.

  • @pamrigotti8767
    @pamrigotti87676 ай бұрын

    Always honest and that’s what makes you great Larry!

  • @normburgess594
    @normburgess594 Жыл бұрын

    I use to work on the BOP busses in Terre haute. Iv never had diesel therapy but been in many and I feel bad for you. Glad youre out and doing well sir. 028 Norm

  • @purplekoolaidindahood6210
    @purplekoolaidindahood62102 жыл бұрын

    great video larry

  • @ILC-eo6vk
    @ILC-eo6vk2 жыл бұрын

    It amazes me with all the education and information that's available about prison life, people still commit crimes. I don't get it.

  • @lukebaer3099
    @lukebaer30992 жыл бұрын

    God damn, the thought of having diarrhea going through withdrawal from drugs sitting on 1 of those seats.

  • @BenMalleck
    @BenMalleck2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Larry, thanks for brightening my day. How are you doing today? - Ben

  • @ext93

    @ext93

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey this is definitely 100% no-doubt Larry, I'm doing good

  • @goodvibesonly8129
    @goodvibesonly8129 Жыл бұрын

    22:06 quick cut to google the Lou Perlman facts love it

  • @hovan734
    @hovan7342 жыл бұрын

    i loved the video. much love

  • @whyumad_
    @whyumad_2 жыл бұрын

    Larry never disappoints

  • @quentinanderson8456
    @quentinanderson84562 жыл бұрын

    Hey Larry I've always wanted to know your thoughts on Thomas Silverstein. I read that he was one of the main reasons why they built ADX Florence because he killed a guard and was involved in the 87 Atlanta riots (Cubans let him out of his cell to roam freely) where he actually spared a guards life because the guard was nice to him in the past. He also spent the last 36 years of his life in solitary. I honestly just want to know what you think of him and what your opinions are on the way he was treated even though he was classified as a very dangerous person.

  • @mosluggo1

    @mosluggo1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure rob @convict inc did an episode about him

  • @nayanpanchal39
    @nayanpanchal392 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Larry stay safe

  • @kaciewalters4473
    @kaciewalters44732 жыл бұрын

    Hi Larry! Could you please do a video on Josh Duggar? Maybe talking about his future prison experience? Thanks! Love your videos.

  • @donneybrown9109
    @donneybrown91092 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos

  • @djmagicalartist
    @djmagicalartist2 жыл бұрын

    would love to see some new prison cooking!!!

  • @TheHarryDunne
    @TheHarryDunne2 жыл бұрын

    Larry, I could listen to you talk about tic tac toe strategies for hours.

  • @camgood9562
    @camgood95622 жыл бұрын

    I just saw a documentary about Lou Pearlman a couple months ago. He used to crash blimps for the insurance money before starting Backstreet Boys and N'Sync LMAO.. Great stories/information!

  • @RobertScribner-vs3do
    @RobertScribner-vs3do4 ай бұрын

    This guy with dignity. I was in the hospital for two months. I was naked and it wasn't bothering to me.

  • @williamtracz1115
    @williamtracz11152 жыл бұрын

    Larry can you do a video about the Attica Documentary? Love to know your thoughts! Grewt content as always!

  • @sad2540
    @sad25402 жыл бұрын

    Very good videos lately dude! Are there more videos if you become a patron or member or whatever it’s called?

  • @roydemeoscat7205

    @roydemeoscat7205

    2 жыл бұрын

    No,sorry 😟

  • @sad2540

    @sad2540

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@roydemeoscat7205 fair enough. What do you get for joining the channel? I will probably join either way but I’m curious

  • @clems6989
    @clems69892 жыл бұрын

    Privacy ! The one thing I would want when i got out. Larry is a natural speaker. I just enjoy listening to you talk man. . Keep being real !

  • @jlmasd01
    @jlmasd012 жыл бұрын

    Banger

  • @stephenm3667
    @stephenm36672 жыл бұрын

    Anybody ever noticed how prisons always look like prisons? Forget all the fences and watch towers. Just look at the building itself. That con air hub, if I knew nothing at all, I could tell it was a prison.

  • @jakestover9679
    @jakestover96792 жыл бұрын

    These con air videos are my favorite!!!

  • @samham3992
    @samham39922 жыл бұрын

    Larry has diamond status on con air. Frequent flyer miles.

  • @billhull6842
    @billhull68422 жыл бұрын

    Side note. In the movie US Marshalls, the plane crashes. The plane that crashes was filmed in southern Illinois. That airplane is currently located in Belknap. IL. The plane is underwater t Mermit Springs Dive Resort. When I was in college, I was in scuba diving and I actually went to that place and scrubbed the airplane clean. I also got stuck on the plane during a training dive. True story. But that airplane is in Southern Illinois at a dive resort. Also, you mentioned John Ghotti with Con Air. My youth pastor was a correctional officer at Marion Fed. prison in Marion, IL. He was on the inmate transfer team. When John Ghotti came to Marion he was on a private plane. He flew into Scott's Airforce base. John refused to get off the airplane and my youth pastor got on the plane and dragged him off. lol I know Marion Penn would use the airforce based because they didn't have to worry about commercial flights and it was more controlled when they got on based. Just an fyi

  • @HebuTheLoneWolf
    @HebuTheLoneWolf2 жыл бұрын

    23:20 hmm, i pretty much just wear a hoodie with windbreaker and thin cargo pants on that weather. but then again i live in north EU where -20°C (-4°F) use to be norm each winter

  • @abfmetro
    @abfmetro2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Larry

  • @alexperruccio1488
    @alexperruccio14882 жыл бұрын

    27 min goes by in 2 min it feels like. Love this shit keep it up !

  • @drrd8446
    @drrd84462 жыл бұрын

    Honestly and truth! That’s the way it should be! Respect.

  • @billearl325
    @billearl3252 жыл бұрын

    Con Air was always a fun time. The Marshalls did not have a use of force policy. It showed when we hit the tarmac.

  • @niko_plays630
    @niko_plays6302 жыл бұрын

    Larry you might not see this but if you do can you explain the code Omerta that the Italian Mafia members from Italian mobs went with because I'm interested in learning the past about that thank you Larry you have amazing videos keep up the hard work

  • @omo2042
    @omo20422 жыл бұрын

    Hey Larry, a while back you talked about how many people with illnesses there are in prisons. How do these people get treated on con-air? For example people with bowel issues or simillar. Thanks ! Great content as always

  • @jamesduncan6729

    @jamesduncan6729

    2 жыл бұрын

    They don't care. Tell a guard you have inflammatory bowel syndrome, he'll say shit the fuck up or hit you

  • @MaddoxMelton

    @MaddoxMelton

    2 жыл бұрын

    99% of guards won’t care. But the 1% take it into consideration. Just from what a buddy of mine told me

  • @ogre1331
    @ogre13312 жыл бұрын

    I used to work on a AFB in NJ. I would see weird commercial transports every now and again. I wonder if that was a conair transport.

  • @benberlin767
    @benberlin7679 ай бұрын

    You’re the best KZreadr out there

  • @michaelcasola3823
    @michaelcasola38232 жыл бұрын

    When you are being transported does that time “outside” the jail/prison count as time served? Or do you have to be inside an actual prison to have time considered being served thanks!

  • @jarrettgreen7628

    @jarrettgreen7628

    2 жыл бұрын

    It all counts.

  • @intramentalstudios5573

    @intramentalstudios5573

    2 жыл бұрын

    it counts, youre still locked up even outside a prison, because the transport vehicle IS the prison, in a way. good question

  • @charlescarter4608

    @charlescarter4608

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hell yeah it counts. You're still in their custody, so it definitely counts.

  • @dodger7111
    @dodger71112 жыл бұрын

    Larry, did you ever consider thinking about attempting to escape prison or know anyone who did?

  • @OmegaLegacy972

    @OmegaLegacy972

    2 жыл бұрын

    He said in a earlier video he and a lot of people did all the time

  • @datura_boof

    @datura_boof

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah it's all you really have to do when you're locked down. Plan about hypothetical escape. The real ones actually attempt it

  • @carlkamuti
    @carlkamuti2 жыл бұрын

    Whenever I watch you Larry I always feel blessed that I will almost never have to see the inside of a US jail cell, but I have a question. When prisoners are being transferred, whether by bus, train or plane, how would you pass the time? You've said sometimes that you might be on that bus 16 hours; do they allow you to have a book or magazine? How would you occupy yourself?

  • @torenjohnson2585

    @torenjohnson2585

    Жыл бұрын

    Hell na lol yo imagination better be on fleek

  • @jwdilligaf
    @jwdilligaf2 жыл бұрын

    I was on con air in 2007. We had 183 inmates/convicts on the plane. We left Memphis and flew to Sioux Falls,Talladega, Baton Rough,Houston and Finally Oklahoma City for a Week. Then back To Sioux Falls, Talledega,Baton Rough,Houston,Austin then a bus to Bastrop. I was never Black Boxed Shackles and cuffed to your waist was bad enough

  • @sandramalone3522
    @sandramalone35222 жыл бұрын

    My guy is in prison in New Mexico and there were times he had to be transported from one facility to another and although he purposely didn't go into detail about it I cringed at the thought of how badly he was treated. I cried but all I can do is pray for him every day until gets out.

  • @jarrettgreen7628

    @jarrettgreen7628

    2 жыл бұрын

    Prayers!

  • @sandramalone3522

    @sandramalone3522

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jarrettgreen7628 Thank you!

  • @user-hx8cf8tp4z
    @user-hx8cf8tp4z2 жыл бұрын

    Another great video by Thee Mr Larry Lawton himself, I look forward to this shit man, love when that notification Bell rings and it's my man Uncle Larry. I read your book a long while ago it was really good so now I just wait for that Bell keep doing what you're doing uncle Larry,🙏

  • @codiefitz3876
    @codiefitz38762 жыл бұрын

    One of my grandparents’ favorite movies

  • @fosterck13
    @fosterck13 Жыл бұрын

    After hearing your stories, I find it hard to believe that prison isn't a bigger deterrent

  • @adamnorris4485
    @adamnorris44852 жыл бұрын

    Hey Larry alittle off topic . But watch all your vids and wondering if you can do a vid or any pointers on a new guard going into federal corrections .

  • @acme_tnt8741
    @acme_tnt87412 жыл бұрын

    An interview with big chief would be priceless. I. Fact I'd like to see Larry do interviews with ex guards possibly Guards who he knew as well as convicts he served with

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