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@flamorf6837

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wonderful now i get to say Im watching an underwear models patreon vidoes when some1 finnally asks..... Justttt WonderFULL....

@Ragatokk

2 жыл бұрын

Gratulerer med ny jobb som undertøysmoddel.

@darthrevan3342

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing on the Iron warrior method? Or Word bearer?

@zigzera7757

2 жыл бұрын

A Wednesday video how… chaotic Cheers and thanks for the content

@Sujad

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't Fabious also clone Horus?

The Death Guard tend to still use their own geneseed, the incredible corruption and mutation serving as both a test for the aspirant and a blessing from Nurgle. Funnily enough, those faithful to Nurgle tend to be able to survive his gifts.

@urubissoldat5452

2 жыл бұрын

It is noted that they still go through alot of the trials to become Death Guard. The fact that the Death Guard are still recruiting and have the Plague Surgeons is why they have swollen in number since the siege of Terra.

@angry_zergling

2 жыл бұрын

@@urubissoldat5452 'Swollen' in number is a good way to describe the Death Guard's ranks increasing.

@silent_stalker3687

Жыл бұрын

@@angry_zergling the death guard barely belch out their vile number against the Imperium in conflicts and still manage to do irreversible impairments to them.

@evanbelisle8464

5 ай бұрын

As horrifying as Nurgle is he genuinely seems like the most caring Chaos god. All the others are manifestations of certain emotions and acts. Nurgle is a needed function of nature. Plus his followers fucking love being his followers….which is its own flavor of horrifying.

@dexaphobia8085

Ай бұрын

@@evanbelisle8464for astartes that have accepted his gift perhaps, but poxwalkers are people aware of their degradation and yet completely powerless to do anything about it let alone the horrible acts their body is forced to commit. Nurgles top followers happily rot, Khornes followers happily kill, Slaanesh followers enjoy being degenerate, Tzeentch followers happily twist and bend fate. But all of that ignores how many countless thousands of people are miserable in their role serving and used as human sacrifices or unwilling thralls

I can also point at the Night Lord trilogy where they go about prepping by carefully selecting uncorrupted mothers that carry the future aspirants. Then kidnap them then go about the Classic og way of elevation due to their Gene-seed remaining relatively pure still.

@MightyGachiman

2 жыл бұрын

Arch doesn't read lore that's less than 10 years old. That's why you don't see any stories about primaris or Guilliman (no matter how well written or actually good stories there are, just because of an arbitrary cutoff point in his head, about what makes "good lore"). Keep in mind he is nowhere near the retardation levels of Gamza or the outer circle it's still kind of a turnoff.

@lishfice8031

2 жыл бұрын

I realy like the night Lord triology very good books

@Amknownas_743great_explainer

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I really enjoyed reading about the prophet and how it was tied to the organ and not the individual marine. I would really love another trilogy about the "true prophet" and how that all goes. The emperor protects.... Even from freakishly lanky and psychic space elves as well as false prophets of chaos

@SebastianA.W.

2 жыл бұрын

depending on the warband, mind..

@calumdeighton

2 жыл бұрын

Aye I remember that. And Variel is very good at his work also.

CSM got a relative new rule right down that alley: "Veterans of the long war". They are now stronger in melee than standart or primaris SMs

@cryomaton6450

2 жыл бұрын

4th edition codex was released in 2007 so not that new

@andreasmuller4666

2 жыл бұрын

@@cryomaton6450 The rule i´m talking about is in the upcomming changes nothing from the old stuff.

@imperatoriacustodum4667

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that's useful if it wasn't for the fact they've all been gunned down trying to get into melee.

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

So with Chaos Space Marines they come in two flavors, Renegades (see Red Corsairs) and Legionaires (see Horus Heresey).

@andreasmuller4666

2 жыл бұрын

@@imperatoriacustodum4667 That is in addition to buffs like armor of contempt which made ALL marines a ton more tanky, an extra wound or two etc etc etc. CSM have gotten a lot stronger.

The Thousand Sons exploiting the rubric to force their brothers back into service was always one of the more macabre forms of 'warp fuckery' for replenishing numbers. The rubricae can't even escape their hellish existence in death, the rubricae traps them in a neverending cycle of half living and half dead.

@SebastianA.W.

2 жыл бұрын

spess mummies!

@TheDandyMann

2 жыл бұрын

@@SebastianA.W. I remember when there was an entire Egyptian skeleton and mummy faction in Warhammer fantasy. Man those were the days

@aeonfist4000

2 жыл бұрын

The rubric is also my favorite, since Thousand Sons aspirants who survive are immune to choas mutation to become new sorcerers and the ones who die are added to the enteral legion of dust. I also like the idea of Death Guard still using they're gene seed no matter of putrid and repulsive it becomes and that sometimes just working, because Death Guard.

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense as it is easier for the other 3 to replenish their numbers. This is the only way that can make sense otherwise the Rubric Marines would have succumb to attrition long ago.

@VioletDeathRei

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marinealver It wouldn't be 40k if there was a way to escape the hell of having your soul sealed into eternal service by your closest allies.

I still choose to believe that the daemon tricked Emperor’s children and Fulgrim’s actual soul slipped from the painting and into the clone.

@the13inquisitor59

2 жыл бұрын

That's honestly the only way to salvage *that* short story.

@Liberty_or_Ded

2 жыл бұрын

Or you can just disregard the entire "Mirror" plot entirely.

@the13inquisitor59

2 жыл бұрын

@@Liberty_or_Ded Which is the smarter option.

@RedwolfDogrocket

2 жыл бұрын

@@Liberty_or_Ded they put a Pineapple of Pain in Fulgrim's bum in that book.

@darkinnovator2479

2 жыл бұрын

Let us join hands, brother. May the Daemons continue to troll, and Fulgrim's tragedy weigh on him like a proper goddamn learning experience.

When mama chaos cultist and papa chaos cultist love each other very much...

@shadowhunter343

2 жыл бұрын

They create a chaos spablralghlarggeaslghh

Fabius could create new astartes pretty early on. He simply isn't interested in making new ones. He sees the astartes for what they are, weapons. He wants an entire self-reliant species of post-humans.

@craigore2011

2 жыл бұрын

"I said it was a solo-black-crusade, dog. I'm doin' this shit by myself!"

@metrobiusofsollkhav3143

2 жыл бұрын

He wants to recreate Eldar again, that donkey doesnt realise humans r perfect weapons as they r

@urubissoldat5452

2 жыл бұрын

Thats not exactly true. Fabius Bile has spent alot of time making new Astartes. Especially now that there are dozens of Fabius (yes there are dozens of just Fabius) and his Apothecaries running around well there are definitely going to be more Astartes from every Legion showing up. Also notably the Death Guard has "swollen" in numbers since the great crusade, with the plague Surgeons creating many many more Death Guard Astartes.

@shadowhunter343

2 жыл бұрын

@@urubissoldat5452 Yes, he does it for clout and resources, but not because he wants to make astartes.

Chaos Space Marines creation Because the pain, potential death, bloodiness and brutality of regular Space Marine Creation just didn't satisfy the Chaos gods enough.

Arch: Gets blessed by Nurgle Also Arch: Starts advertising male hygiene products. Traitor of the Traitor marines

@tarektechmarine8209

2 жыл бұрын

Insert 'always was' meme. Once a loyalist always a loyalist.

@corinthiansdaniels3728

2 жыл бұрын

@@tarektechmarine8209 has to make sure the inquisitors don't mistake him for a traitor

@Hopeofmen

2 жыл бұрын

Sure he's not a rubric marine?

@davidodonovan1699

2 жыл бұрын

@@tarektechmarine8209 good one

@davidodonovan1699

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hopeofmen good point

It would be cool to see a Chaos Warband logistics video just like how you did with the cults.

@dollarsignmexican

2 жыл бұрын

This

@heathenpride7931

Жыл бұрын

To sum it up: Read “What it’s like” by Aaron Dembski Bowden. It’s a short story you should find easily. It details what it’s like to be the leader of a chaos warband, and why it’s so fucking perilous.

A non-friday lore vid??? THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!

I also recommend Storm of Iron. Some very nice development for Chaos Space Marines. And, thankfully, no ADB nearby to ruin the Imperials.

@Dap1ssmonk

2 жыл бұрын

ADB?

@Magustheseer

2 жыл бұрын

Aaron Dembsky Bowden

@Dap1ssmonk

2 жыл бұрын

@@Magustheseer the guy who wrote for borderlands? Edit: don’t know where I got that, probably should have googled it before saying, but it be what it be.

@doomguy9049

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dap1ssmonk sometimes it do be like dat

@drakeushellblade1786

2 жыл бұрын

Storm of Iron was a great book

I like the idea that there are still some ancient veterans among the officers and higher echelons of the chaos Marines, but there did need to be other ways for them to replenish themselves. Interesting video.

@korstmahler

2 жыл бұрын

It was either that or stat the average chaos marine into the real daemon-powered mutant heap of evil and possessed ceramite they would be after so long in the warp. Give them a huge points value too. I liked the old 'movie space marine' rules they put in a white dwarf forever ago. Adapt those for a squad of traitor marines and have them fight a regular army. If you don't know what those rules were, it gave the average power armoured tactical marine terminator armour's resistances, more than tripled their wounds and made every single frag grenade into a small blast template weapon, among other things. Imagine a single squad standing up to an army.

@jacob5395

2 жыл бұрын

@@korstmahler I mean, it makes sense.

The Demonculaba is like the 'two girls, one cup' of 40k. Which is saying something. And should be considered an achievement.

@thatorangeguy3646

2 жыл бұрын

not to be that guy but id consider "squad broken" to be that, not quite as ghoulish but far more... consecrated. daemonculaba is more like the one man one jar of 40k

@isaiahsmith6016

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatorangeguy3646 Consecrated or desecrated?

@thatorangeguy3646

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaiahsmith6016 yes

My hope for the current time line is that GW simply adds a new chaos unit to the codex. Veteran Chaos Marines. (and not just anew rule but a whole new sweet model line and everything. With 10,000 years of experience and vast augments and "gifts" from being steeped in the warp they AND their chaos infused equipment is a match for all the new shiny primaris stuff. Although I fear they will just make a bunch of primaris chaos marines or stick with "veterans of the long war" instead.

Well the CSMs take their novitiates to the local mad magos who turns them into a servitor that screams 'Blood for the Blood God!' randomly, sticks them in power armour, and hope no one notices.

Let's not forget all the "special Marines" of the big 4. Plague Marines are easy enough, although there is a difference between a follower of Nurgle, one blessed with the mark of nurgle and a full fledged Plague marine, not every Plague Marines has to be with the Deat Guard. Same for Berserker, although the nail is what makes the World Eater different from all other Berserkers. Noise Marines need the blessings of Slaneesh to be able to us the Sonic weapons. Give a blast Master to any Havoc and it wouldn't fire. Rubric Marines are different. It isn't like the Rubric is being recasted everytime an Astarties follows Tzentch. Thing is Ruberic Marines could be reconstructed. All you need to do is find enough of the dusty remains reseal it inside the armor that was broken and like that it is reanimated. Now the armor and dust might not need to all come from the same son of Magnus, which adds to the torment and madness of the Marine. Also scouring the galaxy for a single spec of dust is madness and only an aspiring champion blessed with visions of thr lord of change could ever hope to accomplish it.

@joshuagoff7878

2 жыл бұрын

i raise your dust in armor of a Astarte's for a god machine with dust in it, emperor class rubric titan

Ha! I'm almost done with my 11th rewatch of the War for Badab and this goes nicely with the later episodes. May the Archers and Architects keep the arches of lore standing.

@thesmilinggun-knight9646

2 жыл бұрын

11th are you fucking kidding me man how much free time do you have in your life? Arch’s siege of vraks and war for badab series were absolutely cancerous for me not because they were bad far from it but more from the fact how long each of them were.

I was always under the impression that war bands that owe their patronage to Nurgle just don't care and just shove tainted geneseed into "applicants" and hope for the best.

Chaos Space Marines should be few and far between, and even a “weak” one should still be much stronger than a non-chaos one. Their rarity should be proportional to their strength. None of this nonsense where there are hundreds or sometimes thousands of them on the field at the same time. Not unless it’s a Black Crusade or a traitor Primarch has returned. But even then it should be less than 8,000 at the absolute most. I remember reading somewhere that Angron in his last appearance had with him something along the lines 50,000 World Eaters?! No way. Think about how difficult it is to even become a space marine on the first place for one of the more tame chapters or legions. You start with a pool of probably millions of candidates and by the time you’ve gone through assessments, training, trials, survived the surgery, everything.. you are left with only a few that were good enough to become an Astartes. Now for the World Eaters, they do duels to the death on a regular basis, if not a daily basis. So every single day you have Astartes that are dying, being killed by another Astartes. Astartes train every day for long hours so that’s a LOT of attrition. And this is before they go to battle proper against pretty much everything else (Orks, Tau, Tyranids, Necrons, Imperium, other Chaos forces, etc etc). The attrition should be staggering and always keeping their numbers low but at the same time they are earning valuable fighting experience AND gradually becoming more elevated by Chaos, which even a small amount of makes a person waaaaaay more powerful. In short notice, your candidate, now a World Eater, is basically a walking abattoir on his own.

@CatholicDragoon

2 жыл бұрын

On the table-top GW should have made them like Chaos from Warhammer Fantasy, with several full armies where you can mix and match various units from each into their armies. This would allow the CSM to be the elite backbone of a much larger army of cultists and mutants. In regard to their depictions as an unending horde, then I would say that they should still be able to continue using their own geneseed to make marines but that they have slackened standards, both for the recruits and for the use of the geneseed, where they could use less geneseed per recruit. Allowing them to make far more marines with less at the cost of overall quality. This would mean that we would see a distinct dichotomy within CSM, with the Veterans being noticeably better than their imperial equivalent while these new marines are noticeably inferior to the imperial marines, likely opting for quantity over quality with some trial by fire that Chaos is so fond of. Thus, explaining the vast armies that we so often see showing up only to be chopped to bits before the end of the book.

@oesphogianthroatcancerpoli3591

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the large scale because its hard for me to imagine even 50000 three meter tall unkillable and enhanced humans conquering or wiping out a whole planet quickly

@intipontt7490

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't Khorne (in theory) revive Angron's legion in the warp to make it 50k strong? In the same way he kept reviving the orks from Tuska "Daemon-Killa" 's waagh? It would render death a bit meaningless though. Maybe revive them as mindless berserkers? (aka space marine canon fodder)

@primachpepe8597

2 жыл бұрын

@@intipontt7490 yes, technically Khorne can, but why would he want to?

@AlphaKnight-hg2jq

2 жыл бұрын

@@primachpepe8597 BLOOD!!

I remember reading a book about the Gorgons and they had a primitive feral world they would seek new recruits from, then again I would not call them proper chaos marines as they seemed to be more like the radical inquisitors using the warp to defeat chaos. They appeared more neutral with a penchant for ruinous Powers all the while seeing it as a tool and rejecting its control. Cannot for the life of me remember the books name.

@quintus9424

2 жыл бұрын

The book is called Blood Gorgons. More than anything, they just wanted to go their own way, I don't think their parent legion was ever established.

@snakeyman5560

2 жыл бұрын

@@quintus9424 I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Ultramarines or Whitescars with each of them and their succesors having a strong independent streak even for spacemarines.

@heathenpride7931

Жыл бұрын

@@snakeyman5560 definitely White Scars. They’re the Wild Childs of the Astartes.

Imagine if chaos had struck an accord with the tyrant of BADDAB

@banneduser5187

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine it! He could have been the next Huron Blackheart!

Not to mention the massive purging of the Legions at Isstvan. Massive losses by the World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperor’s Children, and Sons of Horus. The Iron Hands, Raven Guard, and Salamanders put on life support. All of this before they ever even begin a proper galactic civil war. And then there’s Prospero…

@PodreyJenkin138

Жыл бұрын

Yeah GW and BL aren't great with numbers, the legions lost way too many and the traitors especially should have lost most of all of their heresy and GC era marines

My personal canon on Chaos Marine geneseed implementation is that their geneseed is more mutated, and therefore more random due to warp exposure. The rejection rate is higher, but does not lead to death 100% of the time. The regular Chaos Marines are the low rollers who didn't flat out die, which is why they suck. The elite marines won the mutation lottery or got Chaos boons to compensate. Loyalist geneseed is a lot more consistent, which allows warbands to hedge their bets in case Chaos God RNG decides to tilt their rolls. Allowing the warband to maintain some troop quality if the corrupted geneseed churns out chumps who could die to guardsmen.

Just read about the daemonculaba. I'm just going to say that that's the sort of thing a Dark Eldar would look at, blush in embarrassment, and then awkwardly act like they didn't seen anything. Anyone else would start immediately pressing the nearest exterminatus button.

Is Arch actually gonna talk about the Daemonculabra? The thing that even he refused to name and widely recognized as "One of the Worst things in 40K"!?

@thesmilinggun-knight9646

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt he will make a video about it in near future.

@macslate86

2 жыл бұрын

Luetin has one on his channel. Video is called:"The worst fate in 40K"

@mattmmilli8287

Жыл бұрын

Should see majorkill take on it 😂😂😂

One thing i like on chaos its how it can crazy and how it can warp people and show how principles are important for everybody.

As soon as I saw this title on my phone, I immediately said: Oh no, not those! not the Daemonculaba!

You know I'm honestly surprised that Fabulous Bile doesn't just (attempt to) clone gene seed itself. Seems like the most obvious solution to the problem of maintaining stock for replacements.

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

He sort of does, but the problem is he always tries to "improve" it. So he never has enough.

Lore wise, Chaos space marines have always been stronger than modern bog-standard astarties. As a rank and file astarties, You cannot “brute force” a duel with a CSM, you must exploit their weaknesses and think tactically to defeat them. They are the favoured mortal champions of the dark gods, and their venerable nature make them highly dangerous. though it does vary from individual to individual.

@jordandavidswait5641

2 жыл бұрын

Tell that to the Red Wake or Lysander their massive and easily over power most csm as well as a lot of Salamaders as well.

@youngarchaeotech189

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordandavidswait5641 I said bog-standard, yes? and Tyberos (remember to capitalize the “T”) is a match for anyone, period.

@banneduser5187

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngarchaeotech189 Tyberos "T" is nothing compared to "I Cato Sicarius"

Finally it's time to cover everyone's favourite 40k story! Daemonculaba for the win! 🙃 (It's a pretty disturbing story tbh... and idk if it's still considered Canon)

@LethargicGM

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't really matter if it's still canon. It's was destroyed and can't be replaced.

@Dargaud89

2 жыл бұрын

@@LethargicGM idk , to me it did sound like it could be replaced with the help of some warp voodoo. They managed to do it once, don't see why they wouldn't be able to recreate the facility.

Arch Lore, this is what I needed to start my day. Also, chaos space Marines don't exist and if you say otherwise, don't move, stay where you are with your hands clearly visible and on your knees. Someone from the emperor's holy inquisition will be with you shortly.

Perfect timing Arch!!! I’m just about to start painting my Alpha Legion army so this is perfect listening fuel!!!

@crewie94

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck....not Alpharius.

the daemon culabra stuff thats the best form of troop replenishment just amazing ya know for chaos i mean fits them perfect

I would love it if they had a different set of rules four the different groups of chaos space Marines. If you had one set of rules for the 10,000 year veterans where you have something like crazy high leadership and damage, but another for the newly created chaos space Marines more similar to the rules that they currently have now, and had a differentiation in point cost. That would be so cool.

Always seemed to me the easier way would be to convert existing space marines.

@semi-useful5178

2 жыл бұрын

And they do that to, thing is, that hypno-indoctrination can be hard to crack.

@banneduser5187

2 жыл бұрын

I don't see that happening unless they use deamonic possession or something

@semi-useful5178

2 жыл бұрын

It has happened, look at Huron for an example. Though he fell of his own volition.

@snakeyman5560

2 жыл бұрын

Zhufor the Impaler (The Chaos Spacemarine that replaced Cardinal Xaphen on Vraks) was formerly a sergeant of the Stormlords before being critically injured and captured by the World Eaters where he was drugged, beaten and tortured and subjected to psycho-corrective surgery to "change his brainwaves" so as to break his imperial conditioning, this lead to him become a Khornate Berserker.

Damn I always like the idea that the warriors respawned not remembering there death with time swapping shenanigans of the warp

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

Well that too, there are many ways through Chaos to cheat death, all incomprehensible to the mortal mind of humans.

I remember reading a story how Death Guard would capture loyalist marines, inflict them with warp aids driving the space marines mad through agony so horrible that eventually they would be forced to seek Nurgle's blessings to end the misery.

@mcsmash4905

2 жыл бұрын

sounds about right for the followers of nurgle , i mean isnt that what basicaly happened to the death guard while they were travelling somewhere?

Dead Sky, Black Sun Utter Grimdark!! Incredible and disturbing.

@bloodraven1190

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome book

@Turn1t0ff

2 жыл бұрын

@@bloodraven1190 absolutely.

@Arch *"STORM OF IRON"* was the first Warhammer book I read! Hooked ever since!

Worth remember that the Warp distorce the time, so for many Warbands the Horus heresy happened only a couple hundred years in the past (Talos Warband for example), so the casualties and Experience of the chaos legionary are not that great as if past 10 thousand years for Them. Actually, in the perspective of most of Warbands Dante, Calcar are much more older them themselves

@mcsmash4905

2 жыл бұрын

yeah but it seems to distort in different ways , so litteraly only god knows what kind of csm we are looking is it a litteral ancient veteran , or a ¨¨young˝˝ one? but still the veterans most likely fought in the great crusade

@CallMeMrChainmail

2 жыл бұрын

Travelling through the warp means that a CSM warband can end up launching raids that occur in realspace 5000 years before the warband was even formed. A single warband could actually be conducting simultaneous raids in multiple places and have no idea. Assuming that most CSM fall back when wounded a tiny number of very active Heresy veterans, say 20,000 survivors, could actually be responsible for tens of millions of attacks over the last 10k years. A large raid conducted contemporaneously with the current timeline could actually be a group of heresy veterans immediately following the heresy when the legion structure was still basically there and a small raid that happened 5000 years ago could be formed from the same group of veterans after they've felt the weight of 10,000 years pulling apart their leadership and discipline.

I once read about a Chaos World where outcast Loyal Marines found a Demon Engine that, similar to Ripley in Alien 4, gave birth to Chaos Marines

@the13inquisitor59

2 жыл бұрын

That's the Daemonculaba. It was in the Ultramarine Novels featuring Uriel Ventris.

@bloodraven1190

2 жыл бұрын

Dead Sky Black Sun is the name of the book, #3 in the Ultramarine Omnibus

@wakkru

2 жыл бұрын

@@bloodraven1190 It was exactly that Book

Thank you for an extra shot of Arch 40k lore doc this morning

Something to keep in mind when comparing chaos vs loyalist marines. While the chaos marine might have more experience, the loyalist marine will probably have better gear. While the progression of technology would make a snail seem like the Flash, there are still changes and improvements found or invested. Just as an example, I think most chaos marines would have Mk 2-4 power armor where loyalists would probably have Mk 7+.

For background sounds to Chaos Spacemarine factory see : Neurotica - Meshuggah

@flatheadgg2443

2 жыл бұрын

Goregrind, gorenoise, pornogrind: allow us to introduce ourselves

How about the Alphas, though? They are not based in the Eye of Terror, are implied to use cloning and possibly have access to stash of geneseed. Do we know anything about that?

@doomguy9049

2 жыл бұрын

They’re also thought to have infiltrated throughout the imperium too though, so they could conceivably have access to humans from uncorrupted, real space worlds and have the ability to steal or clone fresh geneseed whether their own or from loyalists, and possibly fresh from one of their primarchs even!)

@sebastienlovescookieswirlc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zlyxon I think we established they are both a long time ago, no?

@theenderdestruction2362

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastienlovescookieswirlc that is a lie or maybe the truth

@stepans20

2 жыл бұрын

Wasnt there a lovely story where they hypno-intocrinated an entire generation of men on a planet that a pace marine chapter recruited from? and then let them take that generation, make em marines, then simply say a key word and bam. free alfa legionaries.

@sebastienlovescookieswirlc

2 жыл бұрын

@@stepans20 Might be, though I do not remeber that.

In all reality the best way they could do it would be to literally farm geneseed in a sector of Chaos controlled space and then make proper Chaos Marines after three generations of farming because you then get what, eight Progenoids after three generations from one

@fabienherry6690

2 жыл бұрын

yeah i read somewhere (don't remember) that the loyalist take a tith of geneseed that they then implant into servitor to "farm" them and that how they can make new chapter and have the insane massive vault that allowed them to do the primaris BS

@bruni5289

2 жыл бұрын

@@fabienherry6690 the Primaris were done over ten millennia, I don't get the hate from a diagetic level. The Astartes replaced the Thunder Warriors, why is it wrong that a new, better, breed of warriors replace the previous who are pretty malformed given their original standard

@banneduser5187

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruni5289 they look f-ing stupid. although i'm not actually a hater tbh. but yeah the first borns looked intimidating and the primaris look like rip off power rangers with go faster stripes to boot. and not just the helmets either (which are awful) its the whole thing. they remind me of the transformers cartoons from the 90's

@CallMeMrChainmail

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruni5289 Because one was created as the result of a titanic effort by the literal GOD EMPEROR, a mind that rivals the Chaos Gods in it's scope, creativity and knowledge, and the other was made by a priest of a religion that teaches that if you don't say the right magical incantation then the toaster will burn your breakfast on purpose.

@bruni5289

2 жыл бұрын

@@CallMeMrChainmail the Emperor of Mankind isn't a God, he is a man. It makes his sacrifice all the more valiant because of it.

Or maybe there never was a demon. Remember Lorgar laughed when he saw the painting in which Fulgrim was prisoner. Maybe the "demon" was just the superego of Fulgrim who got manifested as a split personality due to the Laer Blade. Fulgrim always had a flawed vision of himself due to him being a perfectionist. Maybe there was no demon in the Laer Blade and the sword just cut his personality in two: one loyal to the Emperor but flawed and imperfect and a "demon" one which would be the perfect self from his dreams. Eventually the demon got dominance over the other and became a demon in its own right.

The mention of demonic wombs brought back horrid memories from that one iron worriers story

@Turn1t0ff

2 жыл бұрын

Dead Sky, Black Sun? Some really dark sh1t!

@NetMoverSitan

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't that involve an Ultrasmurf suicide mission?

@Turn1t0ff

2 жыл бұрын

@@NetMoverSitan that's the one. Lest we forget the accompanying guardsman who endured through it all too and was an absolute legend. I think there was a Raven Guard coward in there as well. Aye, the UltraSmurf was sent on a suicide mission by Calgar to investigate and destroy the daemonculaba facilities - one way trip either way it panned out.

@NetMoverSitan

2 жыл бұрын

@@Turn1t0ff He ended up getting back...somehow. This was due to him not following the Codex Astartes well enough...Uriel Ventris was the name.

@andycole9316

2 жыл бұрын

Captain Ventris and Sergeant Pasanius do an honour quest in the Eye Of Terror, fuck up a bunch of loyalist abandoned Marines and Ventris gets stuck in a daemonculaba. He punches his way out (of course because he's an Ultrasmurf) but for some reason has been cloned and there's a Chaos version of him now in the Iron Worriers. Oh and he kicks a demon's arse by himself. Fucking Ultrasmurfs.

The chaos gods also probably have a finite amount of energy, so will at best spend it reviving competent servants, if not only for those who they need for a current scheme or plot.

@thesmilinggun-knight9646

2 жыл бұрын

I’m curious is there any evidence for the case God’s power is finite or is this just an inference?

@PodreyJenkin138

Жыл бұрын

​@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 nah I remember that they are technically finite despite being VAST pools of power, that's why they play the great game, need worship from mortals, mortal servants, sacrifices, rituals, artifacts, it all fuels them and increases their power which can wax and want relatively Now they probably could revive most powerful servants but it ain't cheap and more than not the gods are simply fickle and petty and REALLY disappointed by failure, like more than a Japanese salary man's boss, a single fuck up can turn them on you completely

A clone may share DNA with the original but is a separate person who can make different choices. Even sharing memories doesn't entail agreement with the old choices made. No additional explanation is needed for the loyalty of a cloned traitor Primarch.

@DarranKern

2 жыл бұрын

Thats not at all scientifically true, and virtually all studies on twins refutes what you said. Twins are absurdly similar compared to brothers, even twins separated at birth are this way

@styrax7280

2 жыл бұрын

Especially considering that when the clones made the decision against chaos they already had the memories of the original of what happened after sided with chaos. That is bound to change one's perspective. Also, it makes a huge difference wether you make one decision (and then get killed) or get corruted slowly.

@DarranKern

2 жыл бұрын

@@styrax7280 really, the big brained take is “cloning is stupid and always will be stupid and it should never be a plot device if you can avoid it”

@banneduser5187

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarranKern when it comes to primarchs i agree, they were supposed to have been created using power the emperor stole from the chaos gods or something right? same with that origin story for the emperor about a bunch of holy men sacrificed to create him... beyond stupid. if that was the case Thousand Sons and Word Bearers would have replicated it 1000x over

@CallMeMrChainmail

2 жыл бұрын

This is a bit long so I've tried to make it as cogent as possible. You're forgetting the ontology of sentient creatures in 40k. The soul is 100% real , can't be cloned and is required for a human, tau, astartes etc. to exist as you or I do in real life. A soulless creature is anathema to both the Matereum and Immatereum. Without a proper soul it will either be possessed by a daemon or the fabric of reality will, quite literally, bend towards it's destruction as has happened to all of the Imperium's clones. For comparison compare the Necrons who, having had their souls sucked out, become mindless automata. Large amounts of them can only even exist because of their pylons which pacify the warp around their tomb worlds. If it wasn't for the pylons the warp itself would twist realspace to erase the necrons from existence this is also why the necrons can't enter the warp. Clones in 40k are very explicitly NOT fully autonomous, self-determining creatures who are free to make their own decisions and find their own path in life. In order for Fulgrim to have fallen, his soul must have become corrupt, therefore if a portion of his soul was transferred from Naga-Fulgrim to the clone then it should still be corrupt. If his soul wasn't transferred then it is actually just a minor warp entity wearing a Fulgrim suit and should, naturally, be eager to take advantage of it's physical form to earn a place within the ranks of one of the Chaos God's minions. Clonegrim is a copy of a servant of chaos. For Clonegrim to have a pure soul that soul had to come from somewhere and it damn sure didn't come from within the laboratory of an avowed servant of Chaos whilst being observed by other, more warpy servants of chaos who all knew full well and good that Fabulous Bulge was attempting to clone, not just any old servant of chaos but one that had became a daemon princemarch, IE. more powerful than a greater daemon, which is literally the will of a Chaos God made flesh-like substance.

The most Red Tape piece of Lore.

"Fabius Bile has been hard at work at this for 10,000 years now, which says something considering a certain someone else did it in a god-damned wekend" You mean Corvus Corax?

Storm of Iron is one of the books im baffled Black Library had not yet made an audiobock from. So many old books get the audiobook treatment and it got even a collectors editon lately, but no.

I never get tired of Chaos lore!

29:44 what I remember reading chaos space Marines also kind of bury and having this sort of screening process in several cases it's been described as they haven an even harsher selection process

XD man I really wonder how many books Arch would see removed from cannon just to to he can clean up the black library's more troublesome books

@jonathandorsey

2 жыл бұрын

I would guess on that being higher than half.

Indeed it was the CSM Codex. It was 3.5. One of the best rulebooks in history.

you'd assume that to keep the veteran thing going GW could have simply made the chaos marines only really leadership/elite units with more individuality and hitting power than space marines and the regular troops cultists and demons and other nonsense.

I was actually wondering this yesterday. Good timing

But if Folking didn’t get corrupted by the chaos sword, there be no corruption in his body to make his mind choose to go to chaos, so the clone wouldn’t have the chaos inside his body from holding the sword, so he would think that why would he join chaos. So as I’m pointing out, it’s not that Ful joint chaos, bison free well it was because because the chaos corruption inside him once he got back, his own body pushed him towards chaos .

for those curious,luetin has a good long video on the daemonculaba.

"...even though someone else did it in a weekend..." -can't remember the last time I laughed that hard. well done sir.

Soooooo, I looked up The Daemonculaba and the it reminded me of a quote from Terry Pratchett, describing the creatures from the dungeon dimension: "These things weren't the stuff of nightmares, which are usually quite daft. No, these were things of people sitting down and thinking horrible thoughts VERY clearly!"

“That opening scene where an 8 year old child is trying to convince his brother that they should commit su1cide by jumping into an oven but his brother won’t do it because he’s afraid they might not burn fast enough to die before a daemon pulls them back out and hangs them on a meat hook ‘like mommy and daddy’- eh. We need more grimdark.” - Graham McNeil

03:25. I think this story was in the Epic Space Marines battle book at the end of one of the battle reports. I remember it because the Chaos Marine narrator is walking forward ruminating about the Chaos Marines that are being killed beside him not having such an easy escape from damnation. It was quite a nice touch to explain how the traitor legions had survived for so long.

Chaos philosophy is basically. The Universe was always a spinning hellscape, we acknowledge it and at least aren't bored

Oh!!! Storm of Iron, man that was an amazing ride. The way that book was written, I still have mental images I conjured up on my own just by reading the words off of that novel. It had almost Everything one could want in a Warhammer conflict.

A video suggesting some books to read and what to avoid wouldn't be the worst idea

Oh a Wednesday lore vid?! Potential for a double arch feature this week!

@AlessandroRodriguez

2 жыл бұрын

We will love this, but sadly Arch was touched by Nurgle and is "unaviable" by now, until he accept his new gift or Carlw the squirrel comes with some bullshitery to cure him.

@theenderdestruction2362

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlessandroRodriguez or malice decides to intervene as well and that will be fun

Loyal marines that fall to chaos would also have usable gene-seed for a fer generations i assume

@isaiahsmith6016

2 жыл бұрын

If they spend most of their time in realspace and avoid exposure to warp-energy, i.e Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, and Night Lords, then their geneseed should still be viable for implantation.

I’ve been dreading to hear this particular piece of lore.

After 10k years would've thought they'd figure out how to turn geriatrics into astartes equivalents, like that bloke from the word bearers, even if they "degenerated " like Thunder Warriors after that

I'd say regarding the tabletop disconnect, that it does make sense, if we think about the phenomenon of "the last war." A real world issue especially with military training and vehicle design is veterans who try to direct future preparations around their experiences in the last war. This is how we get designs like the TOG2, built for winning the last war, but not for the future. The Chaos Space Marine, veteran of the great crusade sees what the modern Space Marine is doing as wrong, but is it? Or has the state of warfare advanced and he is stuck in an old mindset nostalgic for a time when his legions were truly on the cutting edge of galactic warfare?

@nottodisushttoagen1309

8 ай бұрын

That's an interesting take on it, and would help explain why ancient Chaos Veterans still lose to relatively inexperienced loyalists. but I think the idea is that Space Marines of the 41st millennium, while still superhuman, are slower, weaker and less skilled than their 30k counterparts. That this degradation happened so gradually the vast majority of the Imperium didn't notice (nor would they know enough about the astartes to compare for that matter) But some high ups, like say, Belisarius Cawl, did notice and may have sought ways to reverse it. To return the Astartes to their Prime. This is why I feel they dropped the ball on the Primaris lore so hard, they should have been set as a RETURN to the quality that they were during the crusade, not some kind of "Improvement" over it. The move to truescale marines on tabletop was botched hard in the lore front.

@bastonneknight9478

8 ай бұрын

@@nottodisushttoagen1309 Primaris were cursed with being an attempt by Games Workshop to get people to replace their Space Marines army. Could have upscaled them a little, and allowed people to keep using their old vehicles, but money. I feel Primsris would have been better received if Caul was a modern character, not a throwback to the heresy, and had spent centuries unearthing lost information about the space marines. That the new marines were a reinvigoration of the Imperium's forces, but not these outright better even more superer super humans.

If gene seed vaults are so heavily guarded and secure, how the fuck did one end up on a tyranid infested space hulk in Space Hulk Death Wing?

@shadowhunter343

2 жыл бұрын

It was probably a tithe-ship that encountered "perils of the warp".

How Are New Chaos Space Marines Created? AH god dammit Honsou...

12:56 It is remarkable how much spite you can program into a calculator

The plot-holes mentioned at the beginning reminded me of a comment I've seen before: Chaos Space Marines paint their armor, which means they need paint. However it's highly unlikely anyone is actually producing paint at a factory in the realm of chaos so that means chaos worshippers regularly raid paint warehouses in the Imperium which is a funny thought lol

Late to the show but would like to add that a lot of Gene seed seems to be in circulation around the traitors as a form of currency. In the novel Blood Reaver, Talos trades a cache of the night lords gene seed for Ruven (A captive Night lord sorcerer). Also I wonder is there any lore around just how much Gene seed are stored in these vaults? In storm of Iron, after the Iron Warriors enter the gene vaults the room itself is described as being enormous. There are gene vats as far as the mortal eye's can see. Also in terms of recruitment I think it's worth mentioning that the odd successor chapter has fallen to chaos more than once. Especially those who stroll through the eye of terror trying to make a name for themselves. Let's not even mention the Abyssal crusade. *Laughs in Word Bearer*

How are new chaos space Marines made? Overzealous inquisitors and fried crispy Sororitas legs and thighs. Or something logistical idk. Corrupt gene seed maybe?

You killed me with the segue.

The Night Lord triology book set have a part in it. As due to causalities the warband took trying to replace their lost marine's were a challenge . By book end the warband number did grow and recover to a certain degree before the Fall of Cadia . Definitely the Night Lord triology and the series about the Bloody Gorgons . They are a interesting read when it come to how they find recruits to replace their lost marines .

Luetin09 did a pretty good video on the Daemonculaba and why it doesn't work all that well. Grimdark yet hopeful in a weird 40K way.

@angrysaltshaker5804

2 жыл бұрын

what is it?

Your vids really make my day better

They are made from Chaos Space Babies of course.

Who *doesn't* know about the Daemonculaba by now? It's prime material for wh40k newbie channels to discuss to death

I always figured most of the modern chaos marines werent even 'real' space marines. Just like anyone can bloop into a demon prince if they please the gods enough surely john bimblo just needs to impress khorne with some butchery somewhere and wakes up 3 feet taller.

@clothar23

2 жыл бұрын

It takes a hell of a lot of work to catch a Chaos God's attention let alone earning a Demon Prince transformation. It is something far beyond 99.9% of the people in the Imperium. So being an Astartes just makes the process actually doable. Not to mention no one is going to be impressed by Jim from accounting throwing a hand grenade into a nursery.

There's a great history short story, Arch, about a CSM constantly hunting the head of a specific marine, throughout the loyalist's generations of rebirth by progenoids

I was reading "The faultless blade" from the "Renegades of the long war" anthology and unless that book is no longer canon, Lucius can be killed only of his killer takes no satisfaction in doing so. Since he was given that power by Slaanesh, I wouldn't be surprised if any extreme emotion would cause the killer to become a host.

Well this was unexpected, an early morning upload on a Wednesday! But very welcome haha.

I've never played Warhammer before but just listening to Arch makes it seem so great. There isn't any chance of tabletop where I live. Anyone have any recommendations for videogames I can try to get into the series?

@Dap1ssmonk

2 жыл бұрын

Dawn of war1&2, warhammer 40k space marine, space hulk death wing.

@Liberty_or_Ded

2 жыл бұрын

Just read the old Black Library books. Basically anything from 2012 or earlier will suffice. Gamewise, there's Space Marine, Mechanicus, Battlefleet Gothic 1 and 2, Darktide, Necromunda....

@Dap1ssmonk

2 жыл бұрын

@@Liberty_or_Ded don’t recommend necromunda like that bro, it’s really not that good. If it wasn’t a 40k fps game, which people are starved for, it would have been forgotten as another generic shooter. I had high hopes for that plain Big Mac in 40k themed box.

Just found your channel man , love it subbed straight away

Can we PLEASE PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE get a video centered entirely around Nurgle???

CSM creation eh? Traditionally it is non-Consensual.

love storm of iron, knew you were going to mention it but still got excited when you did

Exactly the topic i was wondering :)!

by the emperor's ribs i immediately regretted looking up culaba i need a flamer to purge my eyes

Aren't modern Space Marines supposed to be generally superior to Great Crusade era Space Marines outside of certain technologies and losing some organs? I remember reading somewhere that I requires as much skill and effort to become a line Marine in a modern Chapter as it required to become a Sergeant during the Crusade. And considering that most Chapters have their own homeworlds and are not pressured all the time by being on a large crusade this makes sense.

@banneduser5187

2 жыл бұрын

don't think so myself. 40k is like post apocalyptic, in decline. i don't see how 30k Imperial Fists raised under Rogal Dorn would be outclassed by their 40k counterparts even without the tech advantage.

@rebirth5362

2 жыл бұрын

@@banneduser5187 Not all GE Imperial Fists were raised personally by Dorn and 40k is not in a state of one massive crusade where you need maximum amounts of Space Marines. And speaking of Fists there's a story that during GE they turned entire male population of a hive city into aspirants. 40k tech is usually worse than 30k tech (but not always, for example 40k jump packs are better) but as far as quality of Space Marines themselves is concerned 40k is a least slightly superior.

@CallMeMrChainmail

2 жыл бұрын

@@rebirth5362 I don't know where you're getting this, great crusade era legions had access to pools of aspirants many times larger than current chapters AND everything they needed to train them. You could argue that certain legions wouldn't have cared a just let the enemy sort the wheat from the chaff but it's silly to think that 30k White Scars would be inferior to 40k Mantis Warriors when it's actually in the lore for many chapters that they're extremely hard pressed and under strength because they can't replenish their numbers.

A suprise, but a welcome one. (Thats a true rarity these days)